New Xbox One Update Boosts Console GPU Power

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#52 Posted by donalbane (16383 posts) -

@SonySoldier-_- said:

This has already been talked about millions of times. If they removed Kinect they could unlock the Hidden 10% Super Secret Sauce Power blah blah blah. So the $399 kinectless Xbone could be more powerful than the $499 Xbone with Kinect?

No, I doubt it. But they may disable Kinect for some games that want that 10%. That's the most likely thing from the sound of it... they could allow developers to disable Kinect so Microsoft didn't look like the bad guys when people realized they wouldn't be able to say "Record That" etc.. This is all just conjecture, though... who knows what will happen at this point?

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#53 Posted by KungfuKitten (25192 posts) -

I bet that will make it bridge the next 8 years just fine.

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#54 Posted by KingsofQueens (2516 posts) -

Eh....more secret sauce?

Now that's funny. LOL

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#55 Edited by getyeryayasout (11629 posts) -

MS is in such bad standing after all the policy changes and 180's that even when they make good announcements they get bashed, and they've made a bunch of good announcements lately. This is what happens when you come across as disingenuous to consumers. MS is a smart company, they'll learn from this and move on. People seem to forget that the X1 is selling really well, the Xbox brand will be fine.

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#56 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (5736 posts) -

So they overclocked the ram a little?... Erm well done but almost completely useless.

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#57 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

Does this mean less and less memory is going to be dedicated to each consoles OS, or does that not factor in?

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#58 Posted by kingtito (9262 posts) -
@lglz1337 said:

792.9p is almost here people!

plz be excited!

You're not funny dude so don't even try.

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#59 Posted by Batt1eRatt1e (131 posts) -

I love that MS is ensuring Xbox One users are getting monthly updates, increasing power, GwG and GwD, adding apps, listening to consumers, and the list goes on and on.

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#60 Posted by misterpmedia (6209 posts) -

@FastRobby said:

You really think I'm checking facts every time? Just for a comment on a forum? I don't have a problem with being wrong, so I really don't care about checking facts, when I think I'm right... :D

damn, you got shot down on that pretty hard. lol. Lil hint, read the links you post next time, bub ;)

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#61 Posted by xhawk27 (10486 posts) -

@scottpsfan14 said:

No matter how many software updates the XB1 gets. It will always have a peak performance of 1.3 TF. No amount of software will change that. PS4 is 50% more powerful. That gap will never close given that Sony also improve their SDK's over the years (which they will). There is no gap closing here.

The PS4 uses some of it's GPU for it's own resources so it's likely around 1.7 TF. So the Xbox One is going to be closer but the PS4 is still going to be a little more powerful. Now if Cloud computing can offload some resources on some Xbox One games you'll see some really impressive games in the next few years. I think one could be a new Crackdown 3 for physics.

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#62 Posted by Chutebox (43508 posts) -

@chikenfriedrice said:

I was about to post this

And the doubters doubted

Cows are shaking in their hooves.

Please explain to me why cows should be worried.

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#63 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

Keep talking stupid Microsoft. SMH

Patch it in a game to PROVE it....or STFU about it.

Words are just that. Words.

Implement this power into Forza or something. This act is old.

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#64 Posted by B4X (5660 posts) -

@batt1eratt1e said:

I love that MS is ensuring Xbox One users are getting monthly updates, increasing power, GwG and GwD, adding apps, listening to consumers, and the list goes on and on.

I just downloaded a 368 meg update that added amazing features. While Sony is still stabilizing my PS4.

Shits old Sony.

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#65 Edited by Animal-Mother (27353 posts) -

I'll believe all this "secret sauce" once it's been proven. Otherwise this is almost laughable people think the XB1 is gonna unlock some hidden "power"

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#66 Posted by B4X (5660 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

I'll believe all this "secret sauce" once it's been proven. Otherwise this is almost laughable people think the XB1 is gonna unlock some hidden "power"

Winning post.

They need to show it in a game that is already out. Or stfu and deal with their weak sauce shit.

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#67 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (10669 posts) -

I just gave my Xbox a gentle tap and whispered in its massive cooling vents "I love you".

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#68 Edited by littlestreakier (2950 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@littlestreakier said:

@gago-gago: good, I'd like a reason to sit a XB1 next to my PS4, but as it stands now there's no reason for me to do that.

IDK i have both and I'm glad I do.

I'm not denying that there are people that are really enjoying their XB1/PS4 and I think that's great. But for me specifically I just don't have a reason to own one yet. I've owned playstation and xbox every generation so far, so I expect this gen to be no different. I'm hoping e3 will be great this year for Sony, MS, and Nintendo.

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#69 Posted by CrownKingArthur (5262 posts) -
@FoxbatAlpha said:

I just gave my Xbox a gentle tap and whispered in its massive cooling vents "I love you".

meanwhile over here:

foreveralone.jpg

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#70 Posted by tormentos (26778 posts) -

@FastRobby said:

@misterpmedia said:

How many articles do they really need to make about that 10% kinect reserve being given back. lol Didn't they already give some back? How much is honestly left? Baha.

edit: lel they've already given back 8% so that's what....2% left?

I don't think this has anything todo with kinect. Kinect is CPU, not GPU...

Hahhahaaaaaaaaaaaa........

See you don't know anything,there was an 8% reservation for Kinect GPU reservation that is,from the 10% 8% was Kinect 2% system already confirmed..

@FastRobby said:

Just thinking... :D Could be completely wrong :D Processing voice, would seem to me like something the CPU would do

But I'm wrong.

DF: Similar to PlayStation 4, two of the Xbox One's eight CPU cores are reserved for system functionality, but the Microsoft console's resources are further restrained by the way 10 per cent of its graphical power is allocated mostly for dealing with Kinect inputs.

Kinect audio is process by the sound chip Shapes.

@donalbane said:

I see a lot of PS4 enthusiasts talking trash about this like the PS4 is some kind of super computer by comparison. It's absurd. And another thing, if the PS4 had this announcement, you'd crap your skinny jeans.

The PS4 didn't have a 10% reservation to begin with so no..

More powerful cheaper is all we care.

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#71 Edited by eNT1TY (1310 posts) -

Kinect-less sku was the fatal blow, this is just burying the carcass. I will miss kinect, could have been a good pairing with vr.

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#72 Edited by super600 (32424 posts) -

@FastRobby said:

@vickissv2 said:
@FastRobby said:

@misterpmedia said:

How many articles do they really need to make about that 10% kinect reserve being given back. lol Didn't they already give some back? How much is honestly left? Baha.

edit: lel they've already given back 8% so that's what....2% left?

I don't think this has anything todo with kinect. Kinect is CPU, not GPU...

Did you even read the article? Kinect IS (was) GPU, and this is kinect related.

Didn't read it because I'm pretty sure Kinect is only CPU. I really don't think it communicates with the GPU, or that the GPU processes anything from the kinect

The kinect uses the GpGpu for something. I don't remember what it was.

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#73 Posted by tormentos (26778 posts) -

@xhawk27 said:

@scottpsfan14 said:

No matter how many software updates the XB1 gets. It will always have a peak performance of 1.3 TF. No amount of software will change that. PS4 is 50% more powerful. That gap will never close given that Sony also improve their SDK's over the years (which they will). There is no gap closing here.

The PS4 uses some of it's GPU for it's own resources so it's likely around 1.7 TF. So the Xbox One is going to be closer but the PS4 is still going to be a little more powerful. Now if Cloud computing can offload some resources on some Xbox One games you'll see some really impressive games in the next few years. I think one could be a new Crackdown 3 for physics.

Yeah i am going to need a link for that...

No matter what is 1.84TF vs 1.3...

The cloud can't offload anything major period internet totally lack the speed for it.

@b4x said:

@batt1eratt1e said:

I love that MS is ensuring Xbox One users are getting monthly updates, increasing power, GwG and GwD, adding apps, listening to consumers, and the list goes on and on.

I just downloaded a 368 meg update that added amazing features. While Sony is still stabilizing my PS4.

Shits old Sony.

Yeah where is the update to have more games and better score.lol

Don't get man this is MS just trying to convince suckers that the xbox one will have more power,in fact you can already see the update has been in use more games are 792p and 900p and some 1080p,this is just in time for E3 $399 xbox crap they just want to make the xbox one look as close as possible to the PS4 desperation is a stinky cologne.

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#74 Posted by kuu2 (10481 posts) -

Every day that goes by The One gets better.

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#75 Posted by Animal-Mother (27353 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

Every day that goes by The One gets better.

Shouldn't it have been this good from the start?

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#76 Posted by Old_Gooseberry (3957 posts) -

if its on the intranets it must be true. everyone spread the word - its safe to buy xbox ones now!

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#77 Posted by iwasgood2u (831 posts) -

It will unlock 10% more lemmings in buying the console fooling them with more gpu sauce.

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#78 Posted by Gaming-Planet (19211 posts) -

7770 is suddenly an R9 290x.

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#79 Posted by kuu2 (10481 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

@kuu2 said:

Every day that goes by The One gets better.

Shouldn't it have been this good from the start?

I have gone on record and said the system was rushed. Are you looking for more reassurance?

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#81 Posted by lundy86_4 (49091 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

I'll believe all this "secret sauce" once it's been proven. Otherwise this is almost laughable people think the XB1 is gonna unlock some hidden "power"

Seriously. Same shit, different day.

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#82 Edited by SolidTy (49991 posts) -

@vickissv2 said:

@FastRobby said:

@vickissv2 said:
@FastRobby said:

@misterpmedia said:

How many articles do they really need to make about that 10% kinect reserve being given back. lol Didn't they already give some back? How much is honestly left? Baha.

edit: lel they've already given back 8% so that's what....2% left?

I don't think this has anything todo with kinect. Kinect is CPU, not GPU...

Did you even read the article? Kinect IS (was) GPU, and this is kinect related.

Didn't read it because I'm pretty sure Kinect is only CPU. I really don't think it communicates with the GPU, or that the GPU processes anything from the kinect

lmao so you're admitting to commenting without checking out facts? it's not based on what you think.

"Xbox One has a conservative 10 per cent time-sliced reservation on the GPU for system processing. This is used both for the GPGPU processing for Kinect and for the rendering of concurrent system content such as snap mode," Microsoft technical fellow Andrew Goossen told us."

Hilarious. He's Just posting wildly and inaccurately. He saw a post he didn't like, but he didn't understand either. Posted anyways. Rush to damage control as much as possible while avoiding any and all actual information. Duly noted trolling and moronic behavior. :)

@misterpmedia said:

How many articles do they really need to make about that 10% kinect reserve being given back. lol Didn't they already give some back? How much is honestly left? Baha.

edit: lel they've already given back 8% so that's what....2% left?

That's the most powerful 2% in the world of gaming PR.

But it makes headlines and people are dumb, so...

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#83 Posted by SolidTy (49991 posts) -
@SonySoldier-_- said:

This has already been talked about millions of times. If they removed Kinect they could unlock the Hidden 10% Super Secret Sauce Power blah blah blah. So the $399 kinectless Xbone could be more powerful than the $499 Xbone with Kinect?

Would you unplug a camera to unlock extra graphics? Is that option really the table? Haha.

Kinect is going to get really useless really fast as people start unplugging it and selling it.

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#84 Edited by I_can_haz (6511 posts) -

Lems continue to embarrass themselves with clouds and secret sauce lol.

Clouds and secret sauce won't make up for that shitty Bonaire GPU. You guys better get used to 792p and other shitty odd resolutions.

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#86 Posted by SolidTy (49991 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@FastRobby said:

You really think I'm checking facts every time? Just for a comment on a forum? I don't have a problem with being wrong, so I really don't care about checking facts, when I think I'm right... :D

damn, you got shot down on that pretty hard. lol. Lil hint, read the links you post next time, bub ;)

lol.

@scottpsfan14 said:

No matter how many software updates the XB1 gets. It will always have a peak performance of 1.3 TF. No amount of software will change that. PS4 is 50% more powerful. That gap will never close given that Sony also improve their SDK's over the years (which they will). There is no gap closing here.

The hardware is static, dang. I thought with enough updates it was going to go into beast mode, but I forgot they used cheaper and weaker parts and charged more for the machine.

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#87 Edited by SolidTy (49991 posts) -

@littlestreakier said:

darkangel115 said:

@littlestreakier said:

@gago-gago: good, I'd like a reason to sit a XB1 next to my PS4, but as it stands now there's no reason for me to do that.

IDK i have both and I'm glad I do.

I'm not denying that there are people that are really enjoying their XB1/PS4 and I think that's great. But for me specifically I just don't have a reason to own one yet. I've owned playstation and xbox every generation so far, so I expect this gen to be no different. I'm hoping e3 will be great this year for Sony, MS, and Nintendo.

I have both and I don't agree with that other hardcore fanboy slanted user (revealed in previous threads) at all with regards to owning both. He's all about selling Xbones every other sentence. I hardly use my PS4/Xbone, but I use my PS4 far more often than the Xbone. I bought at launch. PS4 gets multiplats due to performance (what I did with 360 last gen) and few exclusives. Xbone is used for few exclusives. Neither are in that OMG buy me! mode to me, but I always pick up the new toys at launch.

Other facts:

PS+ has given 9 games to PS4 since launch. It's just this month of JUNE that M$ finally are getting around to offering Games with Gold for Xbone, so maybe things will improve. Sony's been banging out PS+ games since launch. I'm not glad I own both, but it is what it is. My Wii U gets more play than either, but only slightly, but the most play in the house honestly is the PC and PS3. The 360 sort of tapered off on exclusives and I just finished some Wii games in my backlog. Moving along steady.

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#88 Posted by cainetao11 (33958 posts) -

@chikenfriedrice said:

@speak_low said:

@chikenfriedrice said:

I was about to post this

And the doubters doubted

Cows are shaking in their hooves.

That's actually a funny line. LOL

Btw I like this Spencer guy. He's getting so much more done ever since he took over. This guy is the real deal

Me too....I am hyped for E3

He has put a good PR face of games first, we respect the great team at Sony, fanboys are idiots, up. Very smart, humble approach.

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#89 Posted by Animal-Mother (27353 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@kuu2 said:

Every day that goes by The One gets better.

Shouldn't it have been this good from the start?

I have gone on record and said the system was rushed. Are you looking for more reassurance?

Haven't seen that before. Carry on :D

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#90 Posted by Animal-Mother (27353 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@Animal-Mother said:

I'll believe all this "secret sauce" once it's been proven. Otherwise this is almost laughable people think the XB1 is gonna unlock some hidden "power"

Seriously. Same shit, different day.

I honestly don't know how people are buying this PR shit storm.

If they pull it off i'll eat my damn shoe. But otherwise what console has had power behind it's walls and has gotten better?

Granted these systems are closer to PC than anything But it's literally all up to development.
We saw what first party studios eeked out of Gen seven systems but the consoles were never at a better position than where they started.
Did software and dev kits get better? Yeah of course. But there's nothing out there that's physically in the system now that will make it better.

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#91 Edited by lundy86_4 (49091 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

I honestly don't know how people are buying this PR shit storm.

If they pull it off i'll eat my damn shoe. But otherwise what console has had power behind it's walls and has gotten better?

Granted these systems are closer to PC than anything But it's literally all up to development.

We saw what first party studios eeked out of Gen seven systems but the consoles were never at a better position than where they started.

Did software and dev kits get better? Yeah of course. But there's nothing out there that's physically in the system now that will make it better.

We went through it last gen, and it was bad enough. The X1 is the weaker console this gen, but as long as it has some solid games, then who cares?

Exactly. We'll definitely get improvements, as engines and the like improve, but definitely no magic sauce.

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#92 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (2620 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

They're boosting an HD7770 LOLOL good luck bros

so how much more powerful is ps4? with consoles we aren't really in it for the graphics we just like console games.

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#93 Posted by silversix_ (26347 posts) -

@ps4hasnogames said:

@silversix_ said:

They're boosting an HD7770 LOLOL good luck bros

so how much more powerful is ps4? with consoles we aren't really in it for the graphics we just like console games.

yeah? then why did you upgrade to current gen? Not like it has more games to play...

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#94 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@SolidTy said:

@misterpmedia said:

@FastRobby said:

You really think I'm checking facts every time? Just for a comment on a forum? I don't have a problem with being wrong, so I really don't care about checking facts, when I think I'm right... :D

damn, you got shot down on that pretty hard. lol. Lil hint, read the links you post next time, bub ;)

lol.

@scottpsfan14 said:

No matter how many software updates the XB1 gets. It will always have a peak performance of 1.3 TF. No amount of software will change that. PS4 is 50% more powerful. That gap will never close given that Sony also improve their SDK's over the years (which they will). There is no gap closing here.

The hardware is static, dang. I thought with enough updates it was going to go into beast mode, but I forgot they used cheaper and weaker parts and charged more for the machine.

The only thing cheaper and weaker is the GPU and core ram ddr5 vs ddr3. Hopefully the esram can close that gap. I'll believe it when I see it though.

Every other hardware feature is better or a push on X1.

CPU: push

WiFi controller: hands down X1

Sound chip: Hands down x1

Blu-Ray player: push

HDMI ports: X1

USB 3.0 ports: x1

Number of controllers that can be connected at once: X1

OS: X1 FACT

Controller: push, depends on what you prefer.

To say they added cheap shit and threw it in a box, when going head to head with Sony's cheap shit is kind of hyperbole.

The graphics card choice was a major fold on Microsoft's part. Considering this is a gaming console.

32 megs of esram seems rather near sighted also.

If they're going to talk this shit about power. They need to implement it into one of their exclusives. Hit the target mark they first showed for Forza. Then I might take this BS seriously.

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#95 Edited by Animal-Mother (27353 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@Animal-Mother said:

I honestly don't know how people are buying this PR shit storm.

If they pull it off i'll eat my damn shoe. But otherwise what console has had power behind it's walls and has gotten better?

Granted these systems are closer to PC than anything But it's literally all up to development.

We saw what first party studios eeked out of Gen seven systems but the consoles were never at a better position than where they started.

Did software and dev kits get better? Yeah of course. But there's nothing out there that's physically in the system now that will make it better.

We went through it last gen, and it was bad enough. The X1 is the weaker console this gen, but as long as it has some solid games, then who cares?

Exactly. We'll definitely get improvements, as engines and the like improve, but definitely no magic sauce.

Bingo, the question is what can MS do in the long term if it doesn't catch on (which is a possibility). I mean people talk and consumers talk we're a small minority but with a big voice. If people hear what's better from us the people who don't understand start talking regardless we argue about every stupid minuscule detail. But to the average joe, if they hear the PS4 does 1080P and 60FPS and the games run better on the PS4 that's all they need.

IMO MS has to really get a handle on a lot of solid games. I mean I hate to see them just throw money and toss around the competition and strong arm the games industry but it can very well happen but it won't happen as we have said with secret sauce.

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#96 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (2620 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@silversix_ said:

They're boosting an HD7770 LOLOL good luck bros

so how much more powerful is ps4? with consoles we aren't really in it for the graphics we just like console games.

yeah? then why did you upgrade to current gen? Not like it has more games to play...

was tired of that long ass gen.

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#97 Posted by Spitfire-Six (1378 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@Animal-Mother said:

I honestly don't know how people are buying this PR shit storm.

If they pull it off i'll eat my damn shoe. But otherwise what console has had power behind it's walls and has gotten better?

Granted these systems are closer to PC than anything But it's literally all up to development.

We saw what first party studios eeked out of Gen seven systems but the consoles were never at a better position than where they started.

Did software and dev kits get better? Yeah of course. But there's nothing out there that's physically in the system now that will make it better.

We went through it last gen, and it was bad enough. The X1 is the weaker console this gen, but as long as it has some solid games, then who cares?

Exactly. We'll definitely get improvements, as engines and the like improve, but definitely no magic sauce.

Bingo, the question is what can MS do in the long term if it doesn't catch on (which is a possibility). I mean people talk and consumers talk we're a small minority but with a big voice. If people hear what's better from us the people who don't understand start talking regardless we argue about every stupid minuscule detail. But to the average joe, if they hear the PS4 does 1080P and 60FPS and the games run better on the PS4 that's all they need.

IMO MS has to really get a handle on a lot of solid games. I mean I hate to see them just throw money and toss around the competition and strong arm the games industry but it can very well happen but it won't happen as we have said with secret sauce.

What are you all going on about? The issues with how you feel about Microsoft and the industry have little to do with what has happened with the update. It was stated before that they are just going to allow developers to determine if the additional features that where running in system background for kinect are needed for the game if not the total available resources will be increased. Its not "secret sauce" they are telling you exactly how they are doing it, its as simple as if you opened your task manager and shut down some of the background programs running on windows. You guys are blowing this up.

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#98 Posted by Shewgenja (19950 posts) -

@donalbane said:

I see a lot of PS4 enthusiasts talking trash about this like the PS4 is some kind of super computer by comparison. It's absurd. And another thing, if the PS4 had this announcement, you'd crap your skinny jeans.

40-50% more powerful in sheer GPU throughput. MUCH moreso on overall system bandwidth.

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#99 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (18733 posts) -

Well they've got to do something, Sony is dancing all over them right now.

MS finally installed MSI afterburner.

Watch it be something like a 1 or 2% frame boost. All dat powa. Or even worse consoles start bricking, lol.

Now that would be a shit storm.

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#100 Edited by Opus_Rea-333 (1238 posts) -

ESRAM will start to shit on PS4 fans parade soon *From the Cloud and planet vegeta* and this is just the beggining.

Just Kidding but the 10-30# power advantage of PS4 cant save it from being infinitely inferior to PS1,PS2 and Xbox 360.