Naughty Dog Stole Assassin's Creed Artwork In Newest Uncharted 4 Trailer (Naughty Dog Responds)

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#51  Edited By gago-gago
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@darkangel115 said:

Not the first time, http://www.nextgenupdate.com/news/artist-claims-naughty-dog-has-stolen-artwork-used-in-the-last-of-us

This is what I'm talking about. People think it's blowing it out of proportion to investigate Naughty Dog and see what other things did they steal and infringe. By the looks of it, they are repeat offenders.

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The horror! ND will just take it down and let some intern draw up a new pic.

I wonder if they just put it in there to create some controversy.

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#53 intotheminx
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@zeeshanhaider said:
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That is literally the same art minus the pirate lol. I wonder if it's too late for them to fix it.

It's just a single texture. Of course it can be fixed and replaced with something else.

I didn't know if the game went gold yet or not. It doesn't interest me enough to follow. I just assumed they may be forced into fixing it via a patch.

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#54 Juub1990
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Why the hell would they do that? Who had ND decided it was a good idea? It may just be an Easter Egg but still. Completely pointless risk, especially when Ubisoft doesn't seem to agree with it.

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#55 Kozio
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Rise of the Uncharted from the assets of AC: Black Flag and Far Cry 3. :D Just kidding game looks good.

@darkangel115 said:

Not the first time, http://www.nextgenupdate.com/news/artist-claims-naughty-dog-has-stolen-artwork-used-in-the-last-of-us

Well it's the end of Thief xD.

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@khoofia_pika said:
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I wouldn't be surprised if they delay the game to remove this copy right infringement material. Now that Naughty Dog have been finally exposed, I wonder what other things did they stole from other games and incorporated them in their own games and acted like they were their own.

Blowing it out of proportion dude. Just a little bit.

So what exactly here is being blown out of proportion? This is not the first time they got exposed in infringing materials. The material here they infringe was turned to what seem to be an entire level environment for game play. Removing this material could delay the game. So what exactly is being blown out of proportion?

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#58 vvulturas
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@Juub1990 said:

Why the hell would they do that? Who had ND decided it was a good idea? It may just be an Easter Egg but still. Completely pointless risk, especially when Ubisoft doesn't seem to agree with it.

To be fair, the view of two team members does not reflect the stance of a whole company. Have Ubisoft commented yet? Last I read, they had declined to do so.

It will probably be resolved internally, without any problems for either parties involved.

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#59  Edited By brn-dn
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I can't tell what posts are joking or not.

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@gago-gago said:
@khoofia_pika said:
@gago-gago said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they delay the game to remove this copy right infringement material. Now that Naughty Dog have been finally exposed, I wonder what other things did they stole from other games and incorporated them in their own games and acted like they were their own.

Blowing it out of proportion dude. Just a little bit.

So what exactly here is being blown out of proportion? This is not the first time they got exposed in infringing materials. The material here they infringe was turned to what seem to be an entire level environment for game play. Removing this material could delay the game. So what exactly is being blown out of proportion?

You make it sound like they're infringing on major copyrights or trademarks and that them stealing is a common and major occurrence, which obviously is not true.

This particular incident is obviously inexcusable, but tone it down a bit.

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#61 Zero_epyon
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Wouldn't be the first time. Were't they using an actress' likeness for Ellie in TLOU and had to change it because they didn't have her permission?

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@R4gn4r0k said:

What ever happened to easter eggs and homages ?

Nowadays everything is stolen and needs to be taken to court.

I don't think that's what this is. I guess we'll have to see the context of the scene. But they took the pic and removed the mad standing in it. If it was an easter egg, they'd leave the man there to make it a little more obvious.

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Ass-charted Creed

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#64  Edited By gago-gago
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@khoofia_pika said:
@gago-gago said:
@khoofia_pika said:
@gago-gago said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they delay the game to remove this copy right infringement material. Now that Naughty Dog have been finally exposed, I wonder what other things did they stole from other games and incorporated them in their own games and acted like they were their own.

Blowing it out of proportion dude. Just a little bit.

So what exactly here is being blown out of proportion? This is not the first time they got exposed in infringing materials. The material here they infringe was turned to what seem to be an entire level environment for game play. Removing this material could delay the game. So what exactly is being blown out of proportion?

You make it sound like they're infringing on major copyrights or trademarks and that them stealing is a common and major occurrence, which obviously is not true.

This particular incident is obviously inexcusable, but tone it down a bit.

Other posters already made it known that this is not the first first time, so it seem to be a common occurrence and they are repeat offenders. They did it twice with Last of Us and now this. So putting into question what else have they infringed or copied is a valid argument and not blowing it out of proportions. They had to apologize to the artist they ripped off from and they significantly changed how Ellie appears in the game with TLoU. The severity of this infringement is really up to Ubisoft. Depending on the changes, it could cause delay. So once again nothing was blown out of proportion, the arguments are valid. All ND could do is remove it before game comes out and apologize on Twitter or something.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

What ever happened to easter eggs and homages ?

Nowadays everything is stolen and needs to be taken to court.

My thoughts exactly. Everyone is is phony upset and calling "copycat." So easter eggs are bad now?

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Uncharted 4: An Assassins End.

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If you can't beat them, join them.

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Unassians 4: A Creed's End

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@charizard1605 said:

Lol, wow, looks like Naughty Dog pulled a Nathan Drake and stole some art that wasn't theirs:

First, here is the new trailer:

Loading Video...

Next, here is a closer look at the artwork in the trailer:

Finally, here is Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag art:

Even Ubisoft noticed this and commented on it:

Yikes. Not a good look for Naughty Dog, lol

To OP :

This is the new image and they removed the old trailer and add a new one :

Statement from ND:

In our eagerness to get the story trailer out we made a regrettable mistake and didn’t thoroughly vet the art work used for an in game painting. We’ve already updated the trailer. We hold all artistry in high regard and take full responsibility for having allowed this to happen.

We want to sincerely apologize to everyone at Ubisoft, the Assassin’s Creed team, the original artist, and our fans.

http://www.naughtydog.com/site/post/an_update_on_the_uncharted_4_a_thiefs_end_story_trailer/

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AssCharted 4: A Naughty Mistake

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@acp_45: good one

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@acp_45: good one

yeah?

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@Zero_epyon said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

What ever happened to easter eggs and homages ?

Nowadays everything is stolen and needs to be taken to court.

I don't think that's what this is. I guess we'll have to see the context of the scene. But they took the pic and removed the mad standing in it. If it was an easter egg, they'd leave the man there to make it a little more obvious.

Games copy other games' mechanics all the time... it's basically the best description of this industry.

I don't mind a reference to another game, even though most of the time developers will reference their own games.

I just think a thread title that has "stole" in it is out of line. Everyone just loves to jump on the bandwagon.

ND are thieves !!!! Bloody thieves !!!! ... Yeah this entire industry is. Let's wait for some context before throwing wild accusations.

Or we can get our pitchforks and torches, whatever !

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#74  Edited By Zero_epyon
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@R4gn4r0k said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

What ever happened to easter eggs and homages ?

Nowadays everything is stolen and needs to be taken to court.

I don't think that's what this is. I guess we'll have to see the context of the scene. But they took the pic and removed the mad standing in it. If it was an easter egg, they'd leave the man there to make it a little more obvious.

Games copy other games' mechanics all the time... it's basically the best description of this industry.

I don't mind a reference to another game, even though most of the time developers will reference their own games.

I just think a thread title that has "stole" in it is out of line. Everyone just loves to jump on the bandwagon.

ND are thieves !!!! Bloody thieves !!!! ... Yeah this entire industry is. Let's wait for some context before throwing wild accusations.

Or we can get our pitchforks and torches, whatever !

In this case it's not a game mechanic, it's artwork. Which they used in their own IP and manipulated it to make it look like it was their original artwork. Not world ending, but let's not sugar coat it either.

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Funny.

They probably had it as a placeholder internally until they had some of their own art ready but forgot to replace it when they rendered the trailer.

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#76 musicalmac  Moderator
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This is like retirement home level nit-picking. Why is anyone wasting their energy on this?

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#77 gago-gago
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Looks like they changed the trailer, hopefully they really changed in in the actual game. Judging by their statements it was not to pay homage and it was not an easter egg, What it was is basic lazy developing and cutting corners and using other people's work. Not their first time and probably not the last, of us.

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@Zero_epyon said:

In this case it's not a game mechanic, it's artwork. Which they used in their own IP and manipulated it to make it look like it was their original artwork. Not world ending, but let's not sugar coat it either.

So you think stealing is the right term to use here ?

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#79 StrongBlackVine
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Oh the horror of this. It was screw up and of course it is being blown completely out of proportion.

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Naughty Dog indeed.

Im so torn on the Uncharted franchise. The presentation is superb. Graphics, atmosphere, sound, captivating set pieces and characters, great setting etc. Every iteration impresses in these areas. The cutscenes, excellently crafted, really sucking you into the story.

Yet....i just can't PLAY them. Every time i try, i just get this janky vibe from the gameplay. It's just not smooth for me. Ruins it every time. I want to love it, i really do but i just can't.

It is a trend that i do not approve of, where the developers put game play secondary to presentation. Is the game play passable? for sure, it's decent. But it is clearly not the focus. Not the selling point. And i just can't get behind games like this.

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Idk if it was on purpose or not (if it wasn't then they need to be more careful) but it's good that they changed it so fast

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The Live, LEARN and Love philosophy in action folks/

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#83  Edited By ellos
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My assessment of this whole mess is some one was task to hide a spoiler there. A frame of someone next to a burnt out candle light or some sort of light symbolize death lol. They do trick shot to the trailer which cuts to the island, some one was told to put a pic similar to the island and messed up. Vetting process failed. Lets see when the game comes out what actually suppose to be there. I think art about island that trailer cuts to is just a clever place holder.

Criticisms are warranted though ND failed there.

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Sony are crooks they stole their concept art and people are saying they can change it what difference does it make they still released a trailer with stolen content in it

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#85 Zero_epyon
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@R4gn4r0k said:
@Zero_epyon said:

In this case it's not a game mechanic, it's artwork. Which they used in their own IP and manipulated it to make it look like it was their original artwork. Not world ending, but let's not sugar coat it either.

So you think stealing is the right term to use here ?

Yes. They used an asset that wasn't theirs in their game. The fact that the artist is surprised and bringing this to light is because they did not ask for permission to use it. That's theft.

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i wonder if they wanted to have an Easter egg type thing.

Or not.

At least they apologized. Everyone makes mistakes.

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@Zero_epyon said:

Wouldn't be the first time. Were't they using an actress' likeness for Ellie in TLOU and had to change it because they didn't have her permission?

Not sure if they changed it, but that was bullshit. The character actually looked like the actress.

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#88 Ten_Pints
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It seems they really need to catalogue the artwork they use, this was probably a placeholder, I'm assuming they used that Ass Creed concept art as a base for what they wanted. You really think they were knowingly going to pass that off as their own work?

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Sony = damage control these days.

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#90 Litchie
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Well, they also stole a map and an actor's face without permission. So this isn't very surprising.

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#91  Edited By GreySeal9
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@aigis said:
@charizard1605 said:
@aigis said:

They took a random art thing, HOW DARE THEY

They took key artwork, and it's stealing. Don't even try justifying it.

Of course its stealing. I dont disagree at all with that. Its just so small a detail that shouldnt be a big deal. They probably are just black flag fans and put the picture as an homage to it, im sure ND could come up with their own beach artwork if pressed.

So if you agree that it's stealing, then you'd also have to agree that your "They took a random art thing, HOW DARE THEY" response was pretty dumb. I mean, you do realize that stealing is wrong, right?

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For shame "SP rolls up yesterdays paper and starts swinging".... Bad dog, baaaaaad dog !! :P

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@Zero_epyon said:
@R4gn4r0k said:
@Zero_epyon said:

In this case it's not a game mechanic, it's artwork. Which they used in their own IP and manipulated it to make it look like it was their original artwork. Not world ending, but let's not sugar coat it either.

So you think stealing is the right term to use here ?

Yes. They used an asset that wasn't theirs in their game. The fact that the artist is surprised and bringing this to light is because they did not ask for permission to use it. That's theft.

^I agree with your rational responses in this thread.

We don't need to burn ND at the stake for this, but the apologizing in this thread is beyond ridiculous.

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#94  Edited By deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6
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Metal of Duty Field 4: A Far Charted Creed

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@acp_45 said:

Metal of Duty Field 4: A Far Charted Creed

Why can't they just call it Pokemon and get it over with

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@khoofia_pika said:
@quadknight said:

I would care about this if Assassins Creed games were remotely good. They need to focus on their gameplay and design and worry less about stolen concept art. The Ass Creed games are currently shit.

a) Black Flag was actually pretty good.

b) Even if they are shit, that doesn't give ND the right to flat out steal.

Haha. The "Assassin's Creed is shit, so ND's theft is okay!" defense has to be the stupidest thing I've heard on this forum in a long time. And I say that as someone who hates AC so much that I'd probably rather play Knack.

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@khoofia_pika said:
@acp_45 said:

Metal of Duty Field 4: A Far Charted Creed

Why can't they just call it Pokemon and get it over with

Call of an Uncharted Field 4: A Thief's Far Cry

Man, One can come up with a bunch of names but it still doesn't quite achieve the level of the japanese just throwing " Metal Gear Solid" around.

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See no problem in this tbh. It could be a fun Easter egg. But the "explanation" from Naughty Dog is kind of stupid, and makes this look as just a sleazy marketing move.

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See no problem in this tbh. It could be a fun Easter egg. But the "explanation" from Naughty Dog is kind of stupid, and makes this look as just a sleazy marketing move.

Awesome. If I ever want to make a game and take someone's art, I'll just call it a "fun Easter egg."

I don't see the problem with ND's response, unless they said something in addition to what is in the OP.

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They were Naughty and the Thief has been caught, all is well.