Most overrated RTSs?

I'd say the Command & Conquer series by far. In my opinion, it's extremely shallow and generic, and generally you can simply win by outspamming your enemy. Strategic and/or tactical depth, which are important to any and all strategy games, is sorely lacking in most of the games. It's received waay too much critical and financial acclaim in my opinion. Most of the scores are high-8s to low-9s, whereas I would put it at around low-8s to high-8s.

Except for Red Alert 2, which is amazing.

The BFME series is the same, but with a far weaker reception.

Also, I don't think Starcraft is the best RTS ever created, but I can certainly see why people say it is. Can't say the same for 'ol C&C, unfortunately.

Dawn of War.

If it wasn't because of the WH:40K universe, no one would have cared for it. The game is riding on the laurels of the 40K universe while accomplishing little more than just an above average RTS. Its praises, i think, are because its the first decent modern 40K game out in nearly a decade.

Wow, those 4 posts hurt my feelings...

My favorite RTSs.

Obviously Age of ... series.thrones

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

Dawn of War.

If it wasn't because of the WH:40K universe, no one would have cared for it. The game is riding on the laurels of the 40K universe while accomplishing little more than just an above average RTS. Its praises, i think, are because its the first decent modern 40K game out in nearly a decade.

XaosII

I don't think Dawn of War gets praise because it's a 40k game. The strategic point capturing gameplay just felt fresh and the action violent and visceral by RTS standards. Dawn of War is one of my favorite games and I know absolutely nothing about the Warhammer 40k universe.

"Most of the scores are high-8s to low-9s, whereas I would put it at around low-8s to high-8s. "

so the most over-rated RTS in your opinion is command and conquer. and in your opinion it is should'nt be a high 8 or 9, but should be a high 8 or 8??

that is so petty, why make a thread about that?

its like the letters to the editor in your local newspapers old people write and complain about the water being too hard in thier taps, and dogs being too loud.

[QUOTE="thrones"]Obviously Age of ... series.TheAlienHobo

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

A game that is'nt out proved you wrong, you just got served! (sarcasm)

[QUOTE="thrones"]Obviously Age of ... series.TheAlienHobo

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

What do you mean?

They're all pretty run of the mill, to be honest.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Dawn of War.

If it wasn't because of the WH:40K universe, no one would have cared for it. The game is riding on the laurels of the 40K universe while accomplishing little more than just an above average RTS. Its praises, i think, are because its the first decent modern 40K game out in nearly a decade.

Zeliard9

I don't think Dawn of War gets praise because it's a 40k game. The strategic point capturing gameplay just felt fresh and the action violent and visceral by RTS standards. Dawn of War is one of my favorite games and I know absolutely nothing about the Warhammer 40k universe.

I think CoH does a better job of strategic capturing with real visceral sense. Not as violent, sure, but it was never meant to be that way. Not only is it generally regarded as the better game, it has one of the most generic setting and premises for a war game: WWII. To make outstanding gameplay out of that is certainly something.

[QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]Obviously Age of ... series.thrones

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

What do you mean?

They're all pretty run of the mill, to be honest.

If you check out all the Halo Wars previews the game is highly received. And Age of Empires and Halo Wars are very similar gameplay wise.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]Obviously Age of ... series.TheAlienHobo

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

What do you mean?

They're all pretty run of the mill, to be honest.

If you check out all the Halo Wars previews the game is highly received. And Age of Empires and Halo Wars are very similar gameplay wise.

Haze was very well recieved in previews, and Lair.

Guess what happened?

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

Dawn of War.

If it wasn't because of the WH:40K universe, no one would have cared for it. The game is riding on the laurels of the 40K universe while accomplishing little more than just an above average RTS. Its praises, i think, are because its the first decent modern 40K game out in nearly a decade.

XaosII

I don't think Dawn of War gets praise because it's a 40k game. The strategic point capturing gameplay just felt fresh and the action violent and visceral by RTS standards. Dawn of War is one of my favorite games and I know absolutely nothing about the Warhammer 40k universe.

I think CoH does a better job of strategic capturing with real visceral sense. Not as violent, sure, but it was never meant to be that way. Not only is it generally regarded as the better game, it has one of the most generic setting and premises for a war game: WWII. To make outstanding gameplay out of that is certainly something.

I think Company of Heroes is indeed better than Dawn of War and practically perfected the strategic capturing, and is probably a top 5 all-time RTS at worst. But I don't see why its existence would make Dawn of War overrated. It came out 2 years after DoW and is a clear evolution on Dawn of War's gameplay, so if you appreciate CoH so much, I've gotta say it's a bit odd that you seem to dislike Dawn of War to such a degree.

What they do very differently is the setting, which is perhaps what you're getting at. Dawn of War's got a fantasy setting with several alien races while CoH is very firmly rooted in the real world. That could appeal differently to different people.

maybe i should try out starcraft, i really enjoyed cnc3Arjdagr8

Lol, I enjoied cnc3 too, and I'm going to get starcraft today for the first time.

[QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]Obviously Age of ... series.thrones

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

What do you mean?

They're all pretty run of the mill, to be honest.

If you check out all the Halo Wars previews the game is highly received. And Age of Empires and Halo Wars are very similar gameplay wise.

Haze was very well recieved in previews, and Lair.

Guess what happened?

You honestly think Microsoft will allow a Halo game to suck?

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]Obviously Age of ... series.TheAlienHobo

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

What do you mean?

They're all pretty run of the mill, to be honest.

If you check out all the Halo Wars previews the game is highly received. And Age of Empires and Halo Wars are very similar gameplay wise.

Haze was very well recieved in previews, and Lair.

Guess what happened?

You honestly think Microsoft will allow a Halo game to suck?

They don't control it. Lair looked promising to Sony, and was meant to be one of the foundations of their '07 holiday releases. Look how that turned out.

Microsoft ain't much different.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]Obviously Age of ... series.TheAlienHobo

Microsoft really isn't in control of the development of Halo Wars, the only thing they could with the game now is to force Ensemble to halt all developement on the game and kill it all together, which is something I highly doubt they will do.

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

What do you mean?

They're all pretty run of the mill, to be honest.

If you check out all the Halo Wars previews the game is highly received. And Age of Empires and Halo Wars are very similar gameplay wise.

Haze was very well recieved in previews, and Lair.

Guess what happened?

You honestly think Microsoft will allow a Halo game to suck?

Microsoft doesn't have much control over the game. They only have control over the halo licence, so the only thing they could really do to stop the game from sucking is to kill the game all together.

I think Starcraft (including Brood War as well) is certainly not overrated, and really can be considered one of the greatest games of all time. I consider RTS games my favorite genre and can easily say that Starcraft was, and still is, the best expression of the genre. The near perfect balancing of macro, micro, and the 3 races are what seperate it from other RTS games. I've actually thought that for quite some time the Command and Conquer games were a bit overrated, never feeling as tight as I'd like them to. The last one I played was Tiberium Wars and I felt that too was a bit underwhelming and poorly balanced.

On a side note, I think AOE II and it's expansion come in second to Starcraft. Obviously this is all in my humble opinion.

[QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="TheAlienHobo"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]Obviously Age of ... series.thrones

Halo Wars (made by same devs) proves you wrong.

What do you mean?

They're all pretty run of the mill, to be honest.

If you check out all the Halo Wars previews the game is highly received. And Age of Empires and Halo Wars are very similar gameplay wise.

Haze was very well recieved in previews, and Lair.

Guess what happened?

You honestly think Microsoft will allow a Halo game to suck?

They don't control it. Lair looked promising to Sony, and was meant to be one of the foundations of their '07 holiday releases. Look how that turned out.

Microsoft ain't much different.

Lair isn't the series Halo is. Bad comparison. Thats like comparing MGS4 to Dark Sector.

Dawn of War.

If it wasn't because of the WH:40K universe, no one would have cared for it. The game is riding on the laurels of the 40K universe while accomplishing little more than just an above average RTS. Its praises, i think, are because its the first decent modern 40K game out in nearly a decade.

XaosII

Total Anhilation.

Never liked it, but that's just me.

And Age of Empires and Halo Wars are very similar gameplay wise.

TheAlienHobo

Is this true?

It goes without saying, Starcraft.3XRatedlocc

Thats a bit hard on them, don't you think?

The AoE series, without question. The dynamics are so simple, and no, simplicity isn't always better. Especially in RTS games. Notice the 'S'? Stands for Strategy.

i'm going with starcraft for most overrated.

dont like all the hate for AoE, The Conquerors expansion isnt only my favorite RTS, its my favorite game ever, me and 7 friends still lan it up a couple times a months