"Microsoft tried to buy Nintendo, but they just laughed their asses off" - Bloomberg

The sad thing is, Microsoft doesn't have a single IP outside of Halo that is anywhere in the realm of those IPs you just mentioned. I mean, they could if they actually did something with Rare so it's not an issue of not already having good, well liked IPs to work with. If Microsoft was in Control of Nintendo IPs, you'd see a mediocre release of maybe three of those over the next generation, and then never hear from any of those titles again in the next 20 years.

Everything you mention is an exclusive and they're all Mario games. Now look at most multiplat games or even the likes of BoTW. If everything released on the system was a simple 3D mario game, i am sure the performance would've been great, i mean, even SMG ran great on a Wii. It doesn't take much to perform well when the visuals are this simple. Mario is one of the only series that run well on the system. Anything third party released in the last few years is as messy as a third party game running on the og Xbone.

So? They look great. Those are the titles people buy Switch for. They're not buying a Switch to play next gen multiplats, people buy Switch to play Nintendo exclusives and they sell more consoles than their competitors. Switch has solid almost 70 million units in less than 4 years. It's half the age of the PS4 with more than half the sales, which means it's selling more.

Maybe it isn't Nintendo that needs to be like the other manufacturers. I am not sure where people are getting the idea that the best selling gaming console somehow needs help from either of the others.

They would have killed Nintendo, Nintendo are happy with switches flying off the shelf’s and their software too. They don’t need Microsoft

I don't get this third party fantasy that people want for Nintendo. Like, if they want their games so bad, wouldn't they just buy their console? Clearly they don't like Nintendo games and just want them to go third party for a victory in console wars.

People don't realize that people want the actual heart of stuff. I've seen it a million times where companies throw away something that looks mediocre/ugly, but has a lot of heart, in favor of something pretty and packaged but generic. You see it with Hollywood and actors/actresses (one of my favorite movies as a kid was victim of this), you see it in games, you see it in music, etc. The thing is, people are attracted to star power and to heart. They don't care too much about the sleek look so long as it speaks to them. Aretha Franklin, R.I.P. was overweight, but people didn't care because she could sing and had a beautiful voice. Same with other really famous musicians. People are attracted to their soul and essence.

I say all of that to say, this is what Microsoft kind of misses. This is what a lot of companies miss in gaming. They're too busy being jealous of Nintendo while shipping out generic products that are beautiful for the year, but will get replaced in about a year or just plain don't take off. People don't care about how realistic looking and sleek a game is if it doesn't have heart or true beauty.

What you're describing here is a good looking shitty game. Most everything from Ubi and EA is just that. But how about a title like Doom Eternal? Looks great. Plays great. Runs great. Can you have that on a Switch? You cannot.

Me neither. Again, the only remaining gamers they would reach out are fanboys of said platforms, and they wouldn't touch them period. Mario/Zelda/Pokemon's sales remain high as f***, almost to the point where they can reach to no one else... keyword: almost (new generations and all that).

Good. I'll bet Nintendo is still laughing at them

That's what I was thinking. If you want to play the latest CoD or Assassin's Creed and Mario kart just isn't your cup of tea, buy a PS5 or XBsX. I am not sure why people have a problem with that.

@eoten: The Switch already gets 3rd part ports, so the demand is obviously there. You can even play Witcher 3 on Switch.

@SolidGame_basic: Then there's nothing to complain about.

Switch games continue to sell by the boatload because they have heart. Doom Eternal sold how much? Meanwhile Nintendo games are selling over 10 million copies on a single platform, and I can see some of those games selling over 30 million when it's all said and done.

Sales sales sales. I am talking about the performance of a game, you're responding with sales. Of course it will sell if its all what's available on the system.

Yeah, and this weird passive aggressive defensive posture Nintendo fans get and they can't explain why, but insist they're not the ones being fanboys.

I am laughing like those Nintendo execs were in that meeting.

I'm not the biggest Switch fan, but I wouldn't call that thing fragile.

@drummerdave9099: I’m sure they’re laughing even more about being able to sell ancient reskinned Nvidia Shields at a premium as a “revolutionary” new console. Though with luck Nvidia screwed them over with the pricing like they screwed M$ and Sony with the OG Xbox and PS3 GPUs.

@shellcase86: The cheaply built and exposed joycons alone (especially with their propensity for drift) would be enough to classify it as fragile, but having a bare touchscreen with no protective casing is just asking for trouble. As weak as they were hardware-wise, those are things the (3D)S got right.

It's the first handheld ever that feels like you're playing games on a console. It's the best handheld ever.

@drummerdave9099: First? Nope, you're thinking of the vita.

If people didn't like the game, they wouldn't buy the system to play said game. The Wii U games didn't sell, even with less third party than the Switch currently has. No games have sold as much on a single platform as the Switch games. That's because they are well made and appealing games. 30 million people aren't buying Mario Kart because it's the only game on the Switch. lol. But stay pressed and mad while Nintendo continues to sell games by the boatload. :D

I am not saying the games are bad (even tho its been lacking for over a year). What i am saying is that outside of 3D marios or other games with a simple art styles (like animal crossing for example), the games do not run well and looks so damn far behind its competition, or even last gen competition for that matter. Nobody is mad about anything. What you're getting now, could be much better, but pretty much everyone i see defending the Switch ignores this and tells me how its not important. Its not important until you get it, and then it becomes the best thing you've ever seen. But because good graphics do not exist on a Nintendo system since the GC era, you never see anyone with the Switch praising them. Don't tell me you wouldn't want to see SMG3 with full RT support. Of course you wouldn't, because you know that you ain't getting it even ten years from now.

@hardwenzen: Dude. Mario games would not look good in a realistic art style. It would look weird. Same with some of their other games. The only game that sort of makes me mad is Zelda for their remakes. Like the Ocarina of Time Remake and the Twilight Princess Remaster. I wanted those art styles updated to at least this tech demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Lf4uVuE50&ab_channel=ChrisNEO-TheIRATEGamer Instead they were sort of lazy. However, I still prefer Nintendo over other games because aside from the laziness of Zelda remakes, they do have beautiful games that are fun to play, even if the graphics aren't photo-realism.

RT=/=realist art style.

Have you not seen what RT does even to the simplest looking titles such as Minecraft, a game that is way further from looking realistic than a mario game? Its like god damn some of you have low expections and no imagination whatsoever. RT would be absolutely perfect in any of the 3D mario games. Would be even better in a Zelda/Metroid title, but i haven't mentioned these because they have much more thing going on on screen, and having full RT in a 3D mario would be easier to achieve.

You're right Halcyon. I AM a fanboy. But at least I know where Nintendo's audience lies, and it isn't on the other platforms, because your idea caters to RIVAL fanboys who can't stand Nintendo. I mean, c'mon. For as much as XBOX is working with Nintendo, even Phil Spencer has his limits...

@hardwenzen: So you're a graphics whore now? Maybe you didn't notice or maybe you're just trolling but nintendo games don't sell because of their graphics, usually their using old hardware that's a gen or two behind everyone else, they sell games on gameplay and fun games. Your argument could be made for any system out at the moment, but better tech and graphics don't automatically make a better game.

How about its current games, games people consider as great, with better visuals? Or are good games with good visuals is an unimginable thing when Nintendo is taken into consideration?

While I certainly look forward to Nintendo putting out a more powerful Switch, whether that be a “Pro” or Switch successor, I think that their current games all look and play great. Anyway the main thing is that I enjoy them and I thoroughly am doing just that currently.

Your mind is limited by fanboyism. You can't see that my idea isn't about fanboys, just gamers. Fanboyism isn't great for business.

Fanboy numbers aren't great. N64, GC, Wii U... It's when the larger audience becomes interested Nintendo has the potential for larger sales like with the Wii and Switch.

@hardwenzen: Their current games look good, from what I've played (haven't played BotW yet), all run great, and are just fun. Would better graphics be, well, better? Sure I'm not against stunning looking games, but that mentality again can be used for almost any game. Why isn't Demon Souls full Ray Traced at 60 fps at 4k? In the end (for me) as long as the graphics aren't a hindrance or just plain ugly/bland I do t really care about the specs, techniques used, etc.

Maybe if I was an extreme fanboy, which I'm not, otherwise I wouldn't enjoy other games on non-Nintendo platforms. There are hardly any "all round" gamers (formerly known as hermits) in this forum, and those that claimed they are still had their biases towards something.

"You can't see that my idea isn't about fanboys, just gamers. Fanboyism isn't great for business."

Gamers wouldn't actually give a f*** where they buy games, even if it means buying other hardware. What you brought up is ransacking a company you dislike's hardware (and business for that matter) because "f*** their hardware, and f*** their success, let's make them 'share' their IP's and make their fans join us, sure it might give other consoles I DO like an 'edge' but... eh, who cares, it's not Nintendo and they are now out of the race", which is the exact mentality Sony/XBOX/PC fanboys have stuck by after SEGA did what was unexpected at the time...

So no, your idea STILL caters to fanboys, just ones you dislike less than the ones you dislike the most!

@vfighter: Explain?

And none of that "you don't buy Nintendo for power" rubbish.

In this hypothetical situation, Nintendo makes games as they always have and Microsoft makes consoles, UI and online features as they always have

Instead of playing Nintendo games at 720p/30fps, you'd get to play them in 4K/60fps. 8 times the resolution and twice the framerate :p

and a 1080p/60fps OLED display for portable gaming.

Astro's playroom looks absolutely gorgeous and makes me realise what Zelda:BOTW and Mario Odyssey could look like on a proper system

@Mozelleple112: If nintendo's games looked bad you could be onto something, but their games (not 3rd party) always look and run great. Plus your argument would never happen, so all the "what ifs" don't really matter.

@vfighter: Completely disagree. Astro's playroom puts any Nintendo game to shame.

Running in 720p and 30 fps in 2021 is not great. at all. it was great in 2005. 16 years ago.

Which leads me to believe we won't get Zelda: BOTW in 4K/60 until 2037 if Nintendo keeps making its own hardware.

Oh well.

I mean if you want bad ports of good games in better resolutions...

What a gross racist attitude. As if Japanese gamers care about corporate ownership vs. games. Ugh.

I never knew about Microsoft trying to buy Nintendo.

@nintendoboy16: No I want perfect ports of great games in high resolutions.

Well, too bad. Ain't happening!

Whoa! Really? You're gonna play that card on me? Like... what the hell?

Besides that... have you not seen how XBOX is in Japan? Every system of theirs has struggled and couldn't even catch up to Nintendo's worst selling consoles (GameCube, Wii U) of their times. That is why I mentioned that.

Jeez, man...

My toddler goes to town on that thing and it still works well. That stated, I barely play the thing.