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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Same can be said of sony... good riddance.TheEroicaNo, Sony is not so bad... Get off the cross kuraimen, someone else needs the wood... sony isnt some holy savior of gaming, never was never will be... they all want your money and theyll go to great lengths to get it... some are better than others at it.
Then who you have in mind? Nintendo?
[QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] You want people to lose their jobs? :?blue_hazy_basicWhen did this become the gut response? Do you want puppies and moms to die? Well do you? "No"? Well then that means you agree with me, see how smart I am? Is this how you react when lems troll Sony about their financial troubles? People taking joy in or hoping a company goes under seems a bizarre form of fanboyism. But if you're ok with it, each to their own. What I'm not okay with is the dumbing down of society and people using catch-all's instead of providing genuine debate. The Ellsworth Toohey approach to problem solving does no one any good. Disagreeing is not equal to Troll, however claiming to be an anti-troll just to defend your preferred plastic doesn't make it true.
[QUOTE="TheEroica"]Sorry cant link on gamespot from a phone... sigh http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-ballmer-s-nightmare-is-coming-true-181558610.html Time to sell my stocks. lol!! Just kidding. I do have MS stock, but I also have lots of IBM stock. I don't think MS is going anywhere because they always have the money to purchase other games who are making money and succeeding. There are LOTS of coattails to hang onto if you have the right amount of money. Plus Microsoft is always looking at innovating. I think their Surface was priced too high to compete with the Apple IPad. You don't price you products at the same price as your competitor who is already established and popular. Why do you think the Kindle & Kindle Fire HD are doing so well? Because they are like 1/2 the price of the IPad and can virtually do almost the same things. Microsoft's Surface should have been $100 - $200 less then the IPads. I like their commercials, but if the product is expensive and the quality isn't great, it's not going to sell.ok ok maybe a bit of a stretch but yahoo seems to think microsoft and stevebalmer are living the nightmare senario that xbox may not be able to save them from.... sounds familiar *ahem sony* the link...
TheEroica
[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="TheEroica"]Sorry cant link on gamespot from a phone... sigh http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-ballmer-s-nightmare-is-coming-true-181558610.html Time to sell my stocks. lol!! Just kidding. I do have MS stock, but I also have lots of IBM stock. I don't think MS is going anywhere because they always have the money to purchase other games who are making money and succeeding. There are LOTS of coattails to hang onto if you have the right amount of money. Plus Microsoft is always looking at innovating. I think their Surface was priced too high to compete with the Apple IPad. You don't price you products at the same price as your competitor who is already established and popular. Why do you think the Kindle & Kindle Fire HD are doing so well? Because they are like 1/2 the price of the IPad and can virtually do almost the same things. Microsoft's Surface should have been $100 - $200 less then the IPads. I like their commercials, but if the product is expensive and the quality isn't great, it's not going to sell. Totally agree brother... and for me i wanted a surface pro for work and mobility purposes but after seeing the price im going after a laptop with some muscle that is $100 cheaper. Ms as a company is being met with competition for the first time on all fronts. Theyll be fine but that early windows dominance couldnt last forever... just like it wont for apple.ok ok maybe a bit of a stretch but yahoo seems to think microsoft and stevebalmer are living the nightmare senario that xbox may not be able to save them from.... sounds familiar *ahem sony* the link...
blackace
[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]I hope IPads dont replace PC blackaceI don't see that happening anytime soon. It may replace a few laptops possibly, but desktops are here to stay for now. You think desktops will make it? God i see going first based on mobility alone. Why do you say that?
[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]I hope IPads dont replace PC blackaceI don't see that happening anytime soon. It may replace a few laptops possibly, but desktops are here to stay for now. I like being able to upgrade without having to buy a whole new product. Ipads you can't upgrade them without having to buy a complete new one which will get expensive quick
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="fadersdream"] What I'm not okay with is the dumbing down of society and people using catch-all's instead of providing genuine debate. The Ellsworth Toohey approach to problem solving does no one any good. Disagreeing is not equal to Troll, however claiming to be an anti-troll just to defend your preferred plastic doesn't make it true.kuraimenWhat exactly is the catch all in that response? People celebrating the death of microsoft or sony means that 10,000's or 100,000's will lose their jobs. Whats your complaint with my response but not those celebrating a gaming company's collapse? That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.
So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?
That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What exactly is the catch all in that response? People celebrating the death of microsoft or sony means that 10,000's or 100,000's will lose their jobs. Whats your complaint with my response but not those celebrating a gaming company's collapse?SUD123456
So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?
I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.From the Article (basically the PC is dying from tablets and powerful smartphones...)
1. The iPad eats the consumer PC market.
This is happening right now. In the third quarter of 2012, PC sales were down 8 percent on a year-over-year basis worldwide. In the U.S., sales were down 14 percent. A big chunk of the decline can be attributed to the rise of the iPad. Apple sold 14 million iPads last quarter, which is more than the top PC maker, Lenovo, which shipped 13.7 million PCs. Throw in Apple's 4.9 million Macs, and it's the top computer maker by a mile.
As the personal computer market goes ...
2. Employees gradually switch away from using Windows PCs for work.
This trend has not played out that dramatically in 2012. However, British bank Barclays bought 8,500 iPads at employees' insistence this year.
And a recent survey showed that the iPhone has overtaken RIM as the smartphone of choice for enterprises. As more people get comfortable with Apple's mobile products at work, Microsoft will have to worry about them converting their Windows-based computers to Macs at work, too.
Microsoft has a plan to combat this but ...
3. Windows 8 fails to stop the iPad.
Gulp. It's still early, but every most data points say Windows 8 is not going to make a dent in the iPad.
-- NPD says Windows tablet sales were "nonexistent" between 10/21 and 11/17.
-- It also says Windows sales were down 21 percent over that period on a year-over-year basis.
-- Piper analyst Gene Munster was in a Microsoft store for two hours on Black Friday and saw zero Surface sales.
-- Microsoft reportedly cut its Surface order in half.
-- Ballmer said Surface sales were "modest."
Meanwhile, we can't think of any analyst who has cut his or her iPad estimate for the quarter based on Surface sales. In Microsoft's defense, it says it sold 40 million licenses, which it says is out pacing Windows 7. There's a chance analysts are wrong.
[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.kuraimen
So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?
I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.I already know that MS killed your dog.
I did not ask about MS. I asked about Sony. You cannot possibly know what would or would not happen with MS or other competitors entering the market if Sony went under. You specifically stated that a death can lead to another's birth.
So, please answer the question again without referring to MS in your response.
This is a bad article, completely operating outside of logic,
here's one of the comments that explain it better than I could
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What a bunch of propaganda. Go to my site, EdTechExpert, and read about what a bunch of mythology the iPad and its "relevance" is. Some examples:
1) Colleges specifically tell students NOT to buy iPads. Why? Because (a) they can't do what you need them to do for productivity, learning, and getting work done; (b) they aren't being used in the real world.
2) Speaking of which, go to Monster job search and type in "iPad" or "iOS" as a job skill and see what comes up. The ONLY jobs that have it listed are for app programmers/developers -- which means you have to use a REAL COMPUTER.
3) According to NetMarketShare, 90% of devices are computers -- 84% Windows and 6% Mac. Only 10% of the entire market share is mobile -- including smartphones and all tablets -- and of that, abut 1.5% are iPads. So iPads have grown to 1.5% of market share over the course of 2 years?? How long would it take them to become the "dominant" device?? (Answer: so long that they will be obsolete before it happens)
[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.kuraimen
So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?
I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure. why will M$ dominate? in what exactly? M$ doesn't have a branded PC, or electronics outside of xbox really... Like 90% of Microsofts operating income is from business tools and windows so even if they gain ground in teh console space they still have to deal with nintendo... Secondly Sony dieing off wouldn't actually cause much to change apart from the console space, other companies will fill in natually in the electronics, it's fairly over saturated now any way. I'd only worry about it if I just bought a sony tv, it would suck to lose the manufacture warranty if the manufacturer collapses in on itself.Good, no one will miss them
I cannot wrap my head around why practically all media outlets attribute everything bad happening to the PC to the iPad, like it's some kind of destroying angel. It still doesn't do jack crap beyond being a fantastic Solitaire simulator.
Windows 8 is failing because tablets simply can't do what other computing items can (or do those things as well). Why buy an inferior computer with a clunkier OS, so you can play Solitaire with your fingers? Go buy a deck of cards.
I thought the same thing when I read the article earlier today. Everyone that I know has a PC, but I don't know anyone with an iPad. And even if Windows sales dropped from the previous year, Microsoft is still making money off of it's OS hand over fist...This is a bad article, completely operating outside of logic,
here's one of the comments that explain it better than I could
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What a bunch of propaganda. Go to my site, EdTechExpert, and read about what a bunch of mythology the iPad and its "relevance" is. Some examples:
savagetwinkie
1) Colleges specifically tell students NOT to buy iPads. Why? Because (a) they can't do what you need them to do for productivity, learning, and getting work done; (b) they aren't being used in the real world.
2) Speaking of which, go to Monster job search and type in "iPad" or "iOS" as a job skill and see what comes up. The ONLY jobs that have it listed are for app programmers/developers -- which means you have to use a REAL COMPUTER.
3) According to NetMarketShare, 90% of devices are computers -- 84% Windows and 6% Mac. Only 10% of the entire market share is mobile -- including smartphones and all tablets -- and of that, abut 1.5% are iPads. So iPads have grown to 1.5% of market share over the course of 2 years?? How long would it take them to become the "dominant" device?? (Answer: so long that they will be obsolete before it happens)
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]I thought the same thing when I read the article earlier today. Everyone that I know has a PC, but I don't know anyone with an iPad. And even if Windows sales dropped from the previous year, Microsoft is still making money off of it's OS hand over fist... if you really think about it, the iPad is a new market, the fact is you can't be product only on an iPad only.This is a bad article, completely operating outside of logic,
here's one of the comments that explain it better than I could
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What a bunch of propaganda. Go to my site, EdTechExpert, and read about what a bunch of mythology the iPad and its "relevance" is. Some examples:
superclocked
1) Colleges specifically tell students NOT to buy iPads. Why? Because (a) they can't do what you need them to do for productivity, learning, and getting work done; (b) they aren't being used in the real world.
2) Speaking of which, go to Monster job search and type in "iPad" or "iOS" as a job skill and see what comes up. The ONLY jobs that have it listed are for app programmers/developers -- which means you have to use a REAL COMPUTER.
3) According to NetMarketShare, 90% of devices are computers -- 84% Windows and 6% Mac. Only 10% of the entire market share is mobile -- including smartphones and all tablets -- and of that, abut 1.5% are iPads. So iPads have grown to 1.5% of market share over the course of 2 years?? How long would it take them to become the "dominant" device?? (Answer: so long that they will be obsolete before it happens)
I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]
So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?
SUD123456
I already know that MS killed your dog.
I did not ask about MS. I asked about Sony. You cannot possibly know what would or would not happen with MS or other competitors entering the market if Sony went under. You specifically stated that a death can lead to another's birth.
So, please answer the question again without referring to MS in your response.
Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more.[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure. why will M$ dominate? in what exactly? M$ doesn't have a branded PC, or electronics outside of xbox really... Like 90% of Microsofts operating income is from business tools and windows so even if they gain ground in teh console space they still have to deal with nintendo... Secondly Sony dieing off wouldn't actually cause much to change apart from the console space, other companies will fill in natually in the electronics, it's fairly over saturated now any way. I'd only worry about it if I just bought a sony tv, it would suck to lose the manufacture warranty if the manufacturer collapses in on itself. Because they have lots of experience using shady tactics to control and monopolise a market. They can put all that experience to use.So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?
savagetwinkie
[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]I thought the same thing when I read the article earlier today. Everyone that I know has a PC, but I don't know anyone with an iPad. And even if Windows sales dropped from the previous year, Microsoft is still making money off of it's OS hand over fist... if you really think about it, the iPad is a new market, the fact is you can't be product only on an iPad only. When i read the article i got the sense that the writer was overemphasising the fact that microsoft simply has compelling competition... lets not kid ourselves to the idea that ms and windows was going to be the ONLY consumer choice for a rapidly changing technological world... doesnt mean ms is doomed (as i clealry joked about in the title...) it just means that theyre gonna have to live with and adapt to a market with less market share. Windows by most accounts is still fantastic and the pc is still highly relevant.This is a bad article, completely operating outside of logic,
here's one of the comments that explain it better than I could
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What a bunch of propaganda. Go to my site, EdTechExpert, and read about what a bunch of mythology the iPad and its "relevance" is. Some examples:
savagetwinkie
1) Colleges specifically tell students NOT to buy iPads. Why? Because (a) they can't do what you need them to do for productivity, learning, and getting work done; (b) they aren't being used in the real world.
2) Speaking of which, go to Monster job search and type in "iPad" or "iOS" as a job skill and see what comes up. The ONLY jobs that have it listed are for app programmers/developers -- which means you have to use a REAL COMPUTER.
3) According to NetMarketShare, 90% of devices are computers -- 84% Windows and 6% Mac. Only 10% of the entire market share is mobile -- including smartphones and all tablets -- and of that, abut 1.5% are iPads. So iPads have grown to 1.5% of market share over the course of 2 years?? How long would it take them to become the "dominant" device?? (Answer: so long that they will be obsolete before it happens)
[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure.kuraimen
I already know that MS killed your dog.
I did not ask about MS. I asked about Sony. You cannot possibly know what would or would not happen with MS or other competitors entering the market if Sony went under. You specifically stated that a death can lead to another's birth.
So, please answer the question again without referring to MS in your response.
Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more. Hes being nice... hes letting you know that the entire system wars community is tired of your unsupported claims and extreme and almost unhealthy bias against a compaby...[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's a pretty shallow analysis considering a company's death can mean other companies' birth. And companies can harm the industry more than help it so yeah it's a gut response with not much analysis in between.kuraimen
So I am to take it that you are ok with Sony going under, right?
I wouldn't care if better competitors get in but right now if Sony goes M$ will dominate and that is the worst thing that could happen to any industry. I can't think of a worse option, not even Activision or Apple would be worse. The best thing that could happen to gaming is to M$ to disappear and a better competitor to take over or at least for the rest of competitors to balance themselves in a non monopolistic structure. MS is in a distant 2nd place in the console race for the current gen and likely to be passed by sony very shortly, last gen much the same. Sony on the other hand stuck a knife into Nintendo with the PS1 and ended Sega as a hardware manufacturer. Explain to me exactly how MS has been worse for the gaming hardware business, monopolistic and has displayed worse practices IN RELATION TO CONSOLE GAMING?[QUOTE="TheEroica"]Sorry cant link on gamespot from a phone... sigh http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-ballmer-s-nightmare-is-coming-true-181558610.html LoL im on a phone too..i hate that sh!t.ok ok maybe a bit of a stretch but yahoo seems to think microsoft and stevebalmer are living the nightmare senario that xbox may not be able to save them from.... sounds familiar *ahem sony* the link...
TheEroica
sony leaves gaming business = xbl price skyrockets M$ leaves gaming business = free online everywhere the horror OldSnakePS3Because the PC and Nintendo don't exist :roll:
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]Why can't I refer to M$ in my post? What kind of moronic restriction is that to shape an answer to your liking lol. I used the word can not will. That means that there's the possibility. With M$ there's better possibility for a change for better than with Sony. If you don't like my answer cry more. Hes being nice... hes letting you know that the entire system wars community is tired of your unsupported claims and extreme and almost unhealthy bias against a compaby... I'm not tired of his truths Erotica ;)I already know that MS killed your dog.
I did not ask about MS. I asked about Sony. You cannot possibly know what would or would not happen with MS or other competitors entering the market if Sony went under. You specifically stated that a death can lead to another's birth.
So, please answer the question again without referring to MS in your response.
TheEroica
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="superclocked"]I thought the same thing when I read the article earlier today. Everyone that I know has a PC, but I don't know anyone with an iPad. And even if Windows sales dropped from the previous year, Microsoft is still making money off of it's OS hand over fist...TheEroicaif you really think about it, the iPad is a new market, the fact is you can't be product only on an iPad only. When i read the article i got the sense that the writer was overemphasising the fact that microsoft simply has compelling competition... lets not kid ourselves to the idea that ms and windows was going to be the ONLY consumer choice for a rapidly changing technological world... doesnt mean ms is doomed (as i clealry joked about in the title...) it just means that theyre gonna have to live with and adapt to a market with less market share. Windows by most accounts is still fantastic and the pc is still highly relevant. if you actually understood M$'s position now they are already in the least amount of market share in the mobile market. The only thing that is legitimate about this article is maybe less PC sales because not everyone needed a full PC to begin with. Now that technology has caught up in the mobile space they are capable of just using a phone for 99% of their needs. Microsoft is trying to adapt but they haven't made any headway into the new mobile market that's risen up in the past years, they still have the market pretty cornered on desktops. Windows is still easily the best solution for most businesses,
They'll be just fine, stock price remains good but I will acknowledge one thing, I've never seen MSFT with such a low buy recommendation..
Rating: 3 out of 10 :shock: Normally a 9 out of 10.
Eh WTH, MS is doooooomed I tell ya, dooooomed. :P
Curious, what is sonys and Nintendos buy ranking?They'll be just fine, stock price remains good but I will acknowledge one thing, I've never seen MSFT with such a low buy recommendation..
Rating: 3 out of 10 :shock: Normally a 9 out of 10.
Eh WTH, MS is doooooomed I tell ya, dooooomed. :P
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