Microsoft and why the phrase 'True 4K'

https://gamerant.com/star-wars-battlefront-2-most-watched-e3-2017-trailer/

Star Wars Battlefront 2 Trailer Was Most Watched of E3 2017.

Multi-platform game wins E3.

@ronvalencia: congratulations

Can you play those games on a system not owned by Microsoft? No you can't so they are exclusive to Microsoft => Xbox One/Windows 10 exclusive.

Do you think Microsoft cares if you buy it on Xbox, or PC? Money is money to them, thanks for supporting the gaming division of Microsoft, and thus also supporting XBox.

@Xabiss said:

@Guy_Brohski said:

@Zero_epyon: Xbox One X has more RAM, more Teraflops and has an UHD Blu-ray player. It is simply the most capable console ever built. Every gamer with half a brain knows that it can't run every game at 60fps native 4K at highest settings all of the time. Hell, the best PC GPU can't do that. But no matter how mad it makes you, XB1X's hardware technically outperforms the PS4 "Pro" in every possible way. Sweet dreams, Ponies.

And cows cant figure this out and it is hilarious!

Never said it wasn't more powerful than the pro. Where do you guys get that from?

@Pedro: Right, it's not like some people actually use gaming PCs by default and buy consoles for the games they *can't* already get...

Have you played any xbox/pc exclusive games?

These mid gen consoles have been complete flops.

Devs don't care about them and put minimal effort into "enhancements" that need 200% zoom on digital foundry to spot a difference, may as well buy a few games rather than waste money on Pro or XOX.

Both companies shot themselves in the foot for next gen too, because we will now require 4K to be standard next gen, so the jump is going to be miniscule in 3 years time.

All this means is that MS isn't mandating a resolution to developers. Keep up the spin, cows.

I don't think consoles will be producing native 4k till ps6/xbox 3. Only reason they're claiming 4k graphics is to speed up 4k tv adoption rate. Maybe 5 years the consoles can operate on the same level as an i5 or i7

Devs will find a way to bloat PS6 and Xbox 3 or any GPUs for that matter. It would be endless battle to stay ahead of the general AAA game's GPU usage vs GPU render power curve.

All this crap about 4k consoles..

trying to find a list of PS4 Pro games.. and the list is friggin tiny.

Just got a new 55' TV and Surround sound / Audio Receiver ... was genuinley thinking of getting a PS4 pro ... but not anymore, £200 for 3-4 good games that can actually use it?

Count me out.

If a console doesn't run all their games at native 4K, it's not a 4K device. Until that happens, 4K will be nothing more than a marketing scheme to the console world.

Cows reflects Japan's envious mentality with Microsoft owning Wintel platform.

TRON(1) was Japan Inc's home grown OS efforts and it was smashed by the American companies e.g. Apple's iOS/MacOS X, Google's Android, Microsoft's Windows and etc.

1. In Japan, the E-Life Strategy Research Group, an independent group formed by the Japanese government's Ministry of Economy, Trade, and Industry's Commerce and Information Policy Bureau and whose members include the president of a major electronics maker and university professors.

@Zero_epyon: MS' marketing is as sharp as ever!

Yup. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I know I'll get Native more than I will from the Pro I own. DYNAMIC

So PS4 isn't a 1080p console then? And not even a 30fps console

Dynamic truth!

Funny, how Star Wars; Battlefront was 1080p on PS4 and while Xbox One version was only 900p. Interesting indeed.

@davillain-: You are backpedalling from your own "definition" sir.

@Pedro: Yeah whatever Mr Pedro.

@navyguy21: Come on, he was asking for it :(

What does that have to do with it? I'm just asking that if a console needs to run every game natively at 4k to be called a 4k device. If so then the PS4 isn't a 1080p device, and neither is the PS Pro because it had difficulties with Nioh in some occasions.

@davillain-: You made the definition and when called out you conveniently change your claim. Don't hate me because you were inconsistent because it wasn't convenient.?

@Pedro: What makes you think I hate you? Hate is a strong word.

Just phrases to trick consumers without explicitly lying.

@davillain-: Look a red herring. I love ❤️ those.

@FastRobby: I'm just gonna cut to the chase. This whole 4K that both Sony & MS is going for is just a word buzz to generate hype on there upgrade consoles. 4K feels out of place all of a sudden when this gen should have been all about amazing games (yes we do have amazing games now) and at least try innovating.

Nintendo at least get's the idea to not go into 4K marketing buzz.

I agree to an extent.

Even though im capable of playing many games at 4K, i almost alwasy choose to lower resolutionto 1440p/60fps and ultra/max settings.

This 4K push is stupid, i agree with you, but its a product of the console market.

This forum is a perfect example. People bitch about resolution and framerate hitches and the like, rarely do console players care about the details or pushing for 60fps.

So console makers and publishers push for this.

Why finish your game when you can make it pretty and have fanboys fight about which looks better while ignoring flaws?

Take Horizon. My new favorite PS4 game (used to be uncharted) but it had a ton of flaws and glitches........but it looked pretty so fanboys ignore it.

When the pro version runs at 30fps...........its fine..............but when Phil says console gamers dont care about 60.............people jump down his throat.

So yea, this "true 4K" is marketing hype because they have no control over what other publishers do with their games.

This forum is becoming as bad as games journalism.

I miss the days where we argued about details in games, not just resolution.

So if I offer a true all money back guarantee does that mean I can dynamically scale how much of the money you actually get back based on how well I'm doing?

I see new business opportunities.

@navyguy21: I agree. The mid gen exists because of fanmen and fanmen in the media. More time is spent arguing about specs and resolution than bout games.

The definition of exclusives is changing, system wars really needs to get a line on this.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-13-playstation-now-to-stream-ps4-games-later-this-year

PS4 games will come to PC, what happens then?

The same arguments Its starting to get dull already

I agree that it's all marketing, and I don't even own a 4K tv so I don't care much about it. What I do care about is that video games get everything out of the OneX. If you pay the price for the power, the least developers could do is use 100% of it. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment.

Honestly, I think with time that will change. Even the PS4 Pro took a while and it's still pretty slow.

It will definitely change but for now it mostly hype. Even though, that native 4k footage I saw of Forza 7 is very pleasing to eyes but I would be cool with 1080p.

Then...there is little to no difference than it compared to PS4 Pro.

Or rather the uncompromised "True 4k" machine labeling that MS and xbox fans have given it is a smoke screen for yet another mid-gen refresh console that offers faux 4k for most games and deliver little value for anyone who isn't heavily invested in wanting 4k.

60fps seems to be out of the question for the vast majority of titles so being able to produce a slightly better fake 4k image is what all this hype has been for this new system from MS?

Sony isn't mandating a resolution to devs either but I have seen posters rip PS4 Pro apart because of the use of checker-boarding, but now with XOX at $100 more checker-boarding/dynamic res is ok with the same people?

Let's have a talk about that "spin" word shall we.

@lexxluger: you're ignoring the power gap. In reality games will be at 4k more often than the ps4pro. Because MS allows for multiple techniques to developers and doesn't mandate resolution doesn't negate that power gap.

I'm not ignoring anything, I think it's you who is ignoring the reality that NEITHER machine is a True 4k device and simply making excuses for one over the other because it may be your preferred company you want to defend.

Also, who said anything about the power gap between PS4 Pro and XOX? lol you're deflecting and making up arguments that don't exist to gloss over the facts that I stated in my original post.

Because "MS allowing for multiple techniques to develop and doesn't mandate a resolution" is EXACTLY what Sony does with the PS4 Pro.

The gap in power between the two systems is an entirely different argument so Im sorry you failed to follow the argument, might want to check out the thread title then come back and try again.

@lexxluger: Wow I can tell by your responses this is quite personal for you for whatever reason.

Going by your logic the only thing that would make you happy is if MS told every studio their game has to be in native 4k, an incredibly stupid thing to force on developers.

Personal?

lol dude I'm just stating facts. If me stating facts makes you think I'm taking thing personal then you should probably look in the mirror and do some soul searching.

I don't have a dog in the fight, I was just stating my view but when people say hypocritical things and make excuses for one thing when that same thing applies to another then it's pretty clear which person has a "personal" investment in the argument.

Lastly, "I" am not the one who stated xox was the "uncompromising TRUE 4k" machine, it was MS and going by this board the majority of xbox fans as well.

Please don't try to lecture me about what's stupid and not stupid when at the same time trying to defend the native 4k xbox 1 x narrative that has fell apart and now making excuses for how one fake4k machine is better than the other fake4k machine despite trying to crucify the over machine for not having all games run native 4k before hand.

I can deal with the reality and state facts without making selective excuses, if you can't do the same then you should think twice before suggesting someone else is making a discussion "personal".

All I'm hearing still is that MS is in the wrong for not mandating resolution which they very much could have done, again a stupid idea. Just because the system was designed for 4k doesn't mean every developer has to meet that.

The reality is there are already 4k games on the market for the x1x and there will be signifactly more 4k native games than the ps4pro through its life.

And yea your long ass bitter rants come off personal.

Personally for me I think the x1x is a fantastic device but the only real buying points for me are the uhd player not in the ps4pro and the handful of multiplats that will benefit from the power boost not on PC.

As it is I'll have to buy the pro, x1x, and a new GPU to get the best of everything.

Man your full time job is defending MS bullshit in threads,does MS really pay that well,if so can you get me a job :P

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

Don't you mean it will launch with 40 multiplatform games which you have not mind paying in inferior form until now? Dynamitecop you sure know how to own your self..

I think they should moderate you first for your 30 alt accounts..lol

Hahahhaaa 1 year latter and $100 more,when on 2013 the PS4 was $100 less and still deliver 40% more power.

So...you're the one who took this personal and got emotional? Got ya!

Cool, bro. You're all heavily invested into your xbox fantism and get emotional if someone doesn't share your bias fantastical view. I've got no problem with that but you need to stop projecting your investment feelings onto other posters.

It's not my fault you can't focus on the subject mater of the actual topic "Microsoft and why the phrase 'True 4K'".

Just stop, this ^ was to topic and you clearly aren't capable of engaging in a rational discussion on it.

I was posting on the topic and you were trying to tell me how much better the xbox1x is then PS4 Pro which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the discussion. Way to go. XOX being more powerful than PS4 Pro is news to no one, but MS's message about an uncompressed True 4k machine that has already been shown to fail to meet that marker using some of the same techniques that MS criticized PS4 Pro for using is news.

I guess my posts that weren't full of excuses and hypocrisy to paint XOX as the perfect system upset you and made you lash out at me. All in all I'd say I had a good laugh at you, especially you calling me bitter when you clearly were getting angry at me calling out your faux4k machine for what it is. Fanboys are funny.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, you're hilarious.

Again your only argument is ms is in the wrong for not mandating resolution. Waste of energy.

Switch does, but PS4 doesn't.

1 year ago-

"Speaking in the video (below), Spencer explained that Scorpio is a "6 teraflop gaming machine, which will be a great gaming machine for true 4K gaming, giving you a native 4K frame buffer so you can see games in all their beauty.

"Or," he continued, "if developers want to use those 6 teraflops in other ways they're free to do that."

Spencer's comments suggest that developers may be able to use Scorpio's additional power to deliver more visually impressive games at a lower resolution, rather than be forced to render at native 4K.

https://www.videogamer.com/news/developers-can-use-scorpios-6-teraflops-however-they-wish-says-spencer

Boom! Looks like that has been their message since day one. NICE.

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh great time for gamers.

@kvally: I guess there's no real reason to own the XOX then since it'll be capable to do the same as the Pro while being more expensive and with less games. Boom!

If you think that is the case your in for a big surprise.

@pinkanimal: no reason to own a PS Pro since it has no exclusives and is underpowered.

@tdkmillsy: I don't think so. Xbox fanboys have been giving similar warnings the entire gen every time Microsoft makes up a BS marketing term to hype them up and the only surprising thing I've seen is how lackluster the XO is in terms of quality games next to the PS4. Now that the term is "True 4k" instead of cloud or UWP or some other BS like that I'm not going to begin trusting them. In fact it all is pointing towards the outcome being the same: another overhyped BS term.

Glad you're amused.

Maybe you should try making a topic that you can input your arguments and have them actually mean something in the discussion.

like I say bro, don't care if you like the new XOX or PS4 Pro but your argument here was defensive and it was quite clear you couldn't deal with the discussion directly referring to MS's (and many xbox fan) claims about Xbox one X being a native 4k machine when that wasn't/isn't the case.

XOX is a nice piece of equipment and better than PS4 Pro in capability but that wasn't the discussion here and that is what you need to come to grips with.

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