Metroid: Other M is a total butchering of Samus Aran's character.

Again, it's just a video game we're talking about, where stories and characters are just after thoughts.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Well considering that TN generally has stupid and cheesy characters in their games, M:OM is a huge step up.

Bigboi500

Again, it's just a video game we're talking about, where stories and characters are just after thoughts.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

No is not, because of one single thing, Adam Malkovich, the only person able to break that emotional shell.

finalfantasy94

Really penis whiped?omg people just dont get the whole commander and respect thing I guess. Just flew over your head.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Again, it's just a video game we're talking about, where stories and characters are just after thoughts.

foxhound_fox

There is a fine line between respecting someone and damn near worshiping the ground he walks on :|jg4xchamp

and Samus didn't cross that line at all.

[spoiler] don't even quote the ending of the game either. wouldn't you like a token to remind you of a Fallen Relative or Friend? [/spoiler]

I've heard nothing but bad things about what Team Ninja has done with Samus' character. I'm going to stay far far away from this game :evil: Juggernaut140

I'd say its one of my favorite Metroids actually. Even if you don't like what they did with Samus, the gameplay is still a blast and makes the game worth playing. Personally, I liked how Samus had emotions and whatnot.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] There is a fine line between respecting someone and damn near worshiping the ground he walks on :|LegatoSkyheart

and Samus didn't cross that line at all.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]I've heard nothing but bad things about what Team Ninja has done with Samus' character. I'm going to stay far far away from this game :evil: princemarth23

I'd say its one of my favorite Metroids actually. Even if you don't like what they did with Samus, the gameplay is still a blast and makes the game worth playing. Personally, I liked how Samus had emotions and whatnot.

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Ok first of all I :lol: . Nevertheless I have never been a big metroid fan. I've played the demo that came with the first ds and that's about it.

Giancar

Please tell me how games, even like KOTOR can compare to Moby Dick or War and Peace?

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Ok first of all I :lol: . Nevertheless I have never been a big metroid fan. I've played the demo that came with the first ds and that's about it.

rolo107

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Please tell me how games, even like KOTOR can compare to Moby Dick or War and Peace?

foxhound_fox

This is probably one of my favourite Metroid games of all time, probably second only to Metroid II. It's a return to the original direction of the series while balancing the more traditional gameplay with efforts at a character driven story. I never got the impression that Samus was whining the entire time, personally I'd rather having something of a conflicted character than a cold, iron hearted one who receives no dialogue. Concerning her relationship with Adam, I didn't feel as though Samus relied on him. She has great respect for his actions in the past and in many ways I believe it to be mutual. It's fine to show Samus caring in some ways about other characters instead of being isolated and heartless.

That being said, I wasn't a big fan of the voice acting in the game. Period. :|

Take a look back. I said that part was fair game.

The other parts though? where she damn near buckles to the guys will is a bit annoying. I don't mind her taking his orders, but eh it became too much of a love interest type deal than a respect thing.

jg4xchamp

That was probably the point. >.>

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] There is a fine line between respecting someone and damn near worshiping the ground he walks on :|jg4xchamp

and Samus didn't cross that line at all.

Im sorry she never comes off like that at all.she just listens to orders. Hes a father figure to her and sherespects him alot.The last part is not fair game at all it called emotion. I guess you also forgot when she sucked it up and knew she had a job to do. She wasint cruled up in the fiddle position rocking back and forth confused.Im sorry she wasint like "women power" and "Screw him hes a man" mentality since it seems like aloit of people wanted that. Im pretty sure if andam was a women people wouldint complain about it as much.

Its really interesting reading peoples intepretation of Samus in this thread. I think its strength of having a blank canvas.

This is probably what Nintendo intended with their Metroid games (save for Other M).

i got 3 hours into it andsent it back to gamefly. i thought it was crap. i would give it a 6/10 at best.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

and Samus didn't cross that line at all.

finalfantasy94

Im sorry she never comes off like that at all. She never buckles she just listens to orders. Hes a father figure to her and respects him alot.The last part is not fair game at all it called emotion. I guess you also forgot when she sucked it up and knew she had a job to do. She wasint cruled up in thefiddle position rocking back and forth confused.Im sorry she wasint like "women power" and "Screw him hes a man" mentality since it seems like aloit of people wanted that. Im pretty sure if andam was a women people wouldint complain about it as much.

i got 3 hours into it andsent it back to gamefly. i thought it was crap. i would give it a 6/10 at best.

kobraka1

I hope that you hate God of War too.

Please tell me how games, even like KOTOR can compare to Moby Dick or War and Peace?

Bigboi500

Now Moby Dick and War and Peace? It's hard to compare because of how epic and lenghty those books are, because of that you will have troubles finding not only a comparable game, but even comparable movie.

Still, there are games that story-wise can compete evently with good movies or even sometimes good novels , like Clannad, Gabriel Knight, Torment, Madness of Roland, Chronomaster or Moment of Silence. There aren't tons of such games, but they do exist.

I mean, crap. There are games like Bureaucracy, which was written from start to finish by Douglas Adams and can easily compate with any humoristic novel or movie ever made. Same with Monkey Island 1-3

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Take a look back. I said that part was fair game.

The other parts though? where she damn near buckles to the guys will is a bit annoying. I don't mind her taking his orders, but eh it became too much of a love interest type deal than a respect thing.

jg4xchamp

Im sorry she never comes off like that at all. She never buckles she just listens to orders. Hes a father figure to her and respects him alot.The last part is not fair game at all it called emotion. I guess you also forgot when she sucked it up and knew she had a job to do. She wasint cruled up in thefiddle position rocking back and forth confused.Im sorry she wasint like "women power" and "Screw him hes a man" mentality since it seems like aloit of people wanted that. Im pretty sure if andam was a women people wouldint complain about it as much.

well thanks for making it clear you agree with at least that one. Since it came off as you didint. I dont know since all he really did was say "go here to stop this or meet up with the rest of the team" and "Situation is clear and you can use x weapon" It wasint like every 5 seconds he was making samus run around like a chiken with her head cut off. About the ridley I read a post that gave a decent explanation why would she freak out

http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/metroidotherm/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-56262844&pid=960554

Im not saying it will change your mind,but it made me think it over. I personally didint mind it as much since she snaps out of it fast and beats him up. The most important I have to say is why did you use green and not blue?

Samus traditionaly has been a shallow and one dimensional character, they just tried to add some depth to her, but obviously they didn't choose the right way to do it.

AdrianWerner

Hm, haven't played the game so I'll have to see about this.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Samus traditionaly has been a shallow and one dimensional character, they just tried to add some depth to her, but obviously they didn't choose the right way to do it.

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Samus traditionaly has been a shallow and one dimensional character, they just tried to add some depth to her, but obviously they didn't choose the right way to do it.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Agreed

jg4xchamp

To be honest I didint see much demands in this thread. Just some complaining. Also im curious how many people actually played the game and are complaining about it.

Wow after seeing everything that this topic has I have to say that the comic I posted back in Page one is EVERYTHING to do with Samus's Character.

People thought one way while Nintendo thought the other and people hate it for not being the Samus THEY wanted instead of the Samus NINTENDO wanted.

LegatoSkyheart

http://offworld.com/2009/08/retro-ef...-the-stud.html

"Through the discussions with Retro," he says, "we came up with keyword 'elegant'. She's beautifully elegant, but also powerful." Tanabe demonstrates what he means by suddenly grabbing his translator by the collar, pantomiming a hand-gun to the translator's head, and explains that one of the scenarios they ran through with co-creator Sakamoto is how Samus would react to a Space Pirate taking someone hostage.

"What we heard from him (Sakamoto) is that she would not yell 'hold on!' She wouldn't show any emotions at all, she'd just bring up her gun and hit the pirate with a head shot." Tanabe loosens his grip on the surprisingly unfazed translator and brings his fingers in one slow sweep up to his own head, and with a verbal 'bajoooom' fires dead-eye, leaning back in slow motion, his hands showing us the arc and splatter of Space Pirate viscera spilling from the cap of his skull. "She's very calm, very professional in killing. She doesn't show any emotions on the surface, but she's very passionate inside her."

Even Samus' new voice actress seems to reflect the infantalization of her character. Jennifer Hale voiced her in the prime games, and her voice is dead sexy and powerful sounding. They replaced her with some high-pitched teenage girl, and just like the rest of the changes made to Samus's character it seems to be an attempt to make her more "vulnerable" and "needy." That is NOT the Samus we have all come to know and love, and if you are going to try and claim that that's how she's been the whole time then shame on you.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I think most people who complain about her character, really would prefer to see her be more like a girl cop type who is stern and tries to fit in as one of the guys and over-compensates her exterior. Kind of like a "butch" girl, but look like a princess lol. Imo this goes with your average gamers' general view of things needing to be very over-the-top and different from reality to be enjoyable and exciting.

Bigboi500

ANOTHER POINT OF CONTENTION: Samus is freaking short without her armor. She's probably the shortest character in the game. Samus has ALWAYS been stated as being close to 6 feet tall. If I were casting a Metroid movie, I'd choose Yvonne Strahovski to play her. She should be at least 5' 10", but the game shows her as being short, as if to imply that she's nothing without her armor. Once again, they are trying to appeal to Japanese sensibilities, showing that Samus is small and vulnerable without her armor on. Apparently, NIntendo thinks that Japanese gamers would be terrified of playing a game that stars a woman who is taller than them, and that's stupid. It's almost as if they want to make Samus out to be a sad little girl with daddy issues who just wants a "real man" to show up and make everything better.Timstuff

wow dude you are reaching very very very far. Just stop dude just stop. This thought just makes you look silly.

ANOTHER POINT OF CONTENTION: Samus is freaking short without her armor. She's probably the shortest character in the game. Samus has ALWAYS been stated as being close to 6 feet tall. If I were casting a Metroid movie, I'd choose Yvonne Strahovski to play her. She should be at least 5' 10", but the game shows her as being short, as if to imply that she's nothing without her armor. Once again, they are trying to appeal to Japanese sensibilities, showing that Samus is small and vulnerable without her armor on. Apparently, NIntendo thinks that Japanese gamers would be terrified of playing a game that stars a woman who is taller than them, and that's stupid. It's almost as if they want to make Samus out to be a sad little girl with daddy issues who just wants a "real man" to show up and make everything better.Timstuff

A c'mon men, this is going way to far, her height, you are complaining about her height...i don't even...geez.

ANOTHER POINT OF CONTENTION: Samus is freaking short without her armor. She's probably the shortest character in the game. Samus has ALWAYS been stated as being close to 6 feet tall. If I were casting a Metroid movie, I'd choose Yvonne Strahovski to play her. She should be at least 5' 10", but the game shows her as being short, as if to imply that she's nothing without her armor. Once again, they are trying to appeal to Japanese sensibilities, showing that Samus is small and vulnerable without her armor on. Apparently, NIntendo thinks that Japanese gamers would be terrified of playing a game that stars a woman who is taller than them, and that's stupid. It's almost as if they want to make Samus out to be a sad little girl with daddy issues who just wants a "real man" to show up and make everything better.Timstuff

Sorry, guess I'm just an old fashioned book snob. :P Try reading some of those books and you'll see that they open up worlds, visions, and ideas that you simply can't get from any other form of entertainment, and never will.

Bigboi500

I think most people who complain about her character, really would prefer to see her be more like a girl cop type who is stern and tries to fit in as one of the guys and over-compensates her exterior. Kind of like a "butch" girl, but look like a princess lol. Imo this goes with your average gamers' general view of things needing to be very over-the-top and different from reality to be enjoyable and exciting.

Bigboi500

http://offworld.com/2009/08/retro-ef...-the-stud.html

"Through the discussions with Retro," he says, "we came up with keyword 'elegant'. She's beautifully elegant, but also powerful." Tanabe demonstrates what he means by suddenly grabbing his translator by the collar, pantomiming a hand-gun to the translator's head, and explains that one of the scenarios they ran through with co-creator Sakamoto is how Samus would react to a Space Pirate taking someone hostage.

"What we heard from him (Sakamoto) is that she would not yell 'hold on!' She wouldn't show any emotions at all, she'd just bring up her gun and hit the pirate with a head shot." Tanabe loosens his grip on the surprisingly unfazed translator and brings his fingers in one slow sweep up to his own head, and with a verbal 'bajoooom' fires dead-eye, leaning back in slow motion, his hands showing us the arc and splatter of Space Pirate viscera spilling from the cap of his skull. "She's very calm, very professional in killing. She doesn't show any emotions on the surface, but she's very passionate inside her."Timstuff

Sorry you feel that way. That really sucks. My copy still hasn't arrived yet. Amazon's free shipping sure is slow. Anyways, I prefer Metroid with as little story as possible. Never gave way too much thought to Samus actually. She's just a means to traverse those vast worlds. Yeah, if they're going to create a crappy story, it's better to create no story at all and just give us a good adventure game full of exploration and item finding. That's all I really love about the series. But yeah, making her weak like that does suck.

True, Team Ninja's characterization is not all that great, but there was no characterization of Samus before Other M. She's always been a video game icon, but until Other M she's never been a true character. So you can either have an iffy portrayal of Samus as a real character, or a cardboard cut-out mute video game protagonist. Both choices are pretty lame.

[...] but there was no characterization of Samus before Other M. [...]

WTA2k5

all thepeople in this thread like TC are just the same people who feel nintendo betrayed them with the wii..

all thepeople in this thread like TC are just the same people who feel nintendo betrayed them with the wii..

KBFloYd

I kind of agree with TC. I don't mind Samus being fleshed out, but they just did it so WRONG in Other M.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

all thepeople in this thread like TC are just the same people who feel nintendo betrayed them with the wii..

jg4xchamp

cmon ;) you know you want a regular controller... their games are are kiddie compared to ps3.. cmon ;) dont lie.

Disagree 100%. Your argument is garbage. Samus finally being fleshed out is a good thing.IppoTenma

I didn't see any love interest in adam from samus...she sees him as a father.

The fear of ridley thing was a bit much though. i'd rather she have a bitter hatred for him or some kind of rage.

goblaa

Okay, so how would you feel if the person/thing who slaughtered your family and friends and WHO YOU THOUGHT WAS DEAD BY YOUR OWN HAND was all of a sudden standing right in front of you?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

"Fans are clingy, complaining dip***s who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it." - Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw

I had a feeling I'd be pasting this quote in every single Other M thread, and it turns out I'm right!!

svetzenlether

[QUOTE="IppoTenma"]Disagree 100%. Your argument is garbage. Samus finally being fleshed out is a good thing.foxhound_fox

Didint you say yourself you wont judge it untill you play it and see for yourself. Also in my eyes the attempt is very far from garbage.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

all thepeople in this thread like TC are just the same people who feel nintendo betrayed them with the wii..

KBFloYd

cmon ;) you know you want a regular controller... their games are are kiddie compared to ps3.. cmon ;) dont lie.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

I didn't see any love interest in adam from samus...she sees him as a father.

The fear of ridley thing was a bit much though. i'd rather she have a bitter hatred for him or some kind of rage.

svetzenlether

Okay, so how would you feel if the person/thing who slaughtered your family and friends and WHO YOU THOUGHT WAS DEAD BY YOUR OWN HAND was all of a sudden standing right in front of you?

Yeah, that's what I thought.