Max Payne 3 is a bastardization of the franchise

Every little change made is for the worse. The noir setting style, dialogs, voice acting, presentation, and story of the first two games are completely gone, replaced by a complete disjointed mess made only possible by a cohort of film school rejects and marketing executives. The only thing good about it is the core slow-mo shooting and even then it's been dumbed down. It's quite obvious the control and gameplay are designed solely for controllers, and the PC control sucks compared to the eariler games. Even after the patch, some sections still have different mouse sensitivities. Can't believe Rockstar spent 8 years making this bastardization. This game deserved to bomb.

I thought Max Payne 3 was pretty terrible game, too, but uh, woah dude. Strong words you're using there.

Because Noir=Night time New York right?

Learn a little bit about film before acting like you know what noir is.

I agree.

I wanted to play as max payne,not fat payne.

Brazil is literally the worst place for a max payne game to take place in.Rockstar,even if you didn't want the game to take place in US,WHY BRAZIL!?!There are much better places like Hong Kong,Moscow and london,which are perfect for max payne.BUT THEY CHOSE SAO PAULO!!

The gameplay is not as good as that in the first 2 games.Over the shoulder aim?WTF!!

Cover=lame.

Noir themes and dark setting? Check. Max Payne's typical dialogue? Check. Voice acting and story? All pretty damn good. The presentation of Max Payne 1 and 2 are dated and wouldn't work that well in a newer game. Plus - the cutscenes are simply way more enjoyable to watch than the comic panels of the previous games. My favorite part about Max Payne 3 is that the controls are the best they have ever been. It's all there, you're just too blind to see it. P.S. The game didn't bomb. ;)KHAndAnime

Noir themes? There wasn't really much of a noir theme in MP3. Granted, it's not something I would get mad over just that alone, but I didn't really see enough to consider it a general theme in the game. It plays out more like a general hollywood action movie.

Max Payne's typical dialogue? You mean his quirky internal monologue that was filled with dark metaphors,philosophical questions, and Max's general views on life? Aside from a few rare occasions, Max's monologue was generally just him describing what was going on, and then talking about he hates himself.

Voice acting? Ok, you got me there. The voice acting in the game was pretty damn good.

Story? I don't know about you, but I thought MP3's story was pretty flat and uninteresting. Nothing really happens. It's just an ongoing series of explosions, Max's constant "I should kill myself," and forgettable characters left and right. I was waiting the entire the game for a reason to care, something to make it seem worthwhile. Spoiler alert: I never did.

Control wise, the only problems I had were the Weapon WHEEL, and the inability to bind multiple functions to one key. It's the rare occasion that I actually want universal buttons.

Well its GOTY right now so.....

If you want a spiritual successor to the old Payne games play Alan Wake.

Because Noir=Night time New York right?

Learn a little bit about film before acting like you know what noir is.

OB-47

If you want a spiritual successor to the old Payne games play Alan Wake.

nameless12345

:lol: you've never played a Max Payne game before.

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If you want a spiritual successor to the old Payne games play Alan Wake.

JohnnyCageMK

:lol: you've never played a Max Payne game before.

Why yes I did. Never really liked it tho. Too much emphasis on shooting and I felt it was kinda wasted potential of what could have been a great detective type game with action parts. The slow mo was a insteresting novelity but made the game too easy imo.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Noir themes and dark setting? Check. Max Payne's typical dialogue? Check. Voice acting and story? All pretty damn good. The presentation of Max Payne 1 and 2 are dated and wouldn't work that well in a newer game. Plus - the cutscenes are simply way more enjoyable to watch than the comic panels of the previous games. My favorite part about Max Payne 3 is that the controls are the best they have ever been. It's all there, you're just too blind to see it. P.S. The game didn't bomb. ;)Lord_Nas3k

Noir themes? There wasn't really much of a noir theme in MP3. Granted, it's not something I would get mad over just that alone, but I didn't really see enough to consider it a general theme in the game. It plays out more like a general hollywood action movie.

Max Payne's typical dialogue? You mean his quirky internal monologue that was filled with dark metaphors,philosophical questions, and Max's general views on life? Aside from a few rare occasions, Max's monologue was generally just him describing what was going on, and then talking about he hates himself.

Voice acting? Ok, you got me there. The voice acting in the game was pretty damn good.

Story? I don't know about you, but I thought MP3's story was pretty flat and uninteresting. Nothing really happens. It's just an ongoing series of explosions, Max's constant "I should kill myself," and forgettable characters left and right. I was waiting the entire the game for a reason to care, something to make it seem worthwhile. Spoiler alert: I never did.

Control wise, the only problems I had were the Weapon WHEEL, and the inability to bind multiple functions to one key. It's the rare occasion that I actually want universal buttons.

The game was heavily noir. Cynical unknowing protagonist unraveling a crime syndicate. In what way was it less noir than the previous games? The only thing missing is the romance really. Max talks a lot through the game, and I found almost all of his dialogue to be at least some what witty or entertaining. Max's monologues aren't significantly more description-centric than the previous games.

I'm sorry the story didn't do much for you, but I thought the story in this game was actually the best of the three. It was the most believeable and carried the most weight out of all the stories. Max Payne 3 did play out like an action movie...but so did the first and 2nd Max Payne games. So it's pretty hard to fault it for that. It's the most self-realized out of the all the games and manages to add something new to Max Payne without completely rehashing the previous games (which is what you want).

If you want a spiritual successor to the old Payne games play Alan Wake.

nameless12345

Not at all.

Stranglehold had a better chance.

Not really a bastardisation, but certainly not as good as the previous games. The development time is excessive for the content though. nutcrackr

i thought it was fantastic and paid great respect to the originalsGamingVengeance

Anyone who says Max Payne 1 and 2 have a classic noir setting hasn't seen very many noir films.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] P.S. The game didn't bomb. ;)runbleduck

The budget wasn't 100 million. That's a bullsh*t estimate drawn upon other bullsh*t estimates. For example, I highly doubt they had 200 employees working on the game for the entire duration of its development period, especially considering that the specific branch that worked on the game only had ~100 employees recorded in 2010, not 200. It only sold 400k within its debut month because...

A) It came out on the 15th. So that's pretty much only counting the first two weeks of sales.

B) The game didn't release on PC yet.

C) Max Payne has always been primarily a PC-rooted franchise and most of its fans are most likely to buy it on the PC.

You can keep riding on Michael Pachter's words, or you can use some common sense.

Times change and games change. Get over it and stop living in the past. You should have known what to expect when R* took over

oh and don't forget how Rockstar repeatedly said the PC version won't simply be a console port. Big surprise, that was a total lie. The mouse control was unplayable with its ultra low sensitivity (even at the highest in-game setting) and mouse acceleration that cannot be disabled. Even after the patch there's still an issue with the sensitivity. The graphic is still mostly console-quality even with everything set to high. runbleduck

oh and don't forget how Rockstar repeatedly said the PC version won't simply be a console port. Big surprise, that was a total lie. The mouse control was unplayable with its ultra low sensitivity (even at the highest in-game setting) and mouse acceleration that cannot be disabled. Even after the patch there's still an issue with the sensitivity. The graphic is still mostly console-quality even with everything set to high. runbleduck

What are you sh!ting on about, the fact that it has those huge textures alone makes it far from a console port. It also runs very well on the highest settings.

Times change and games change. Get over it and stop living in the past. You should have known what to expect when R* took over

seanmcloughlin

This is just another popular game, getting a well done sequels, and whiny fans still hating on it because it decided to actually move forward since the 9 years when the last game came out.

Honestly, it doesn't matter what you did, people still would have hated it. I think its the best one in the series easily, the story is the least cheesy and has the best production values, while the gameplay also works well (and I have it on PC so it seems like OP might just be terrible at aiming).

[QUOTE="runbleduck"]oh and don't forget how Rockstar repeatedly said the PC version won't simply be a console port. Big surprise, that was a total lie. The mouse control was unplayable with its ultra low sensitivity (even at the highest in-game setting) and mouse acceleration that cannot be disabled. Even after the patch there's still an issue with the sensitivity. The graphic is still mostly console-quality even with everything set to high. KHAndAnime

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Times change and games change. Get over it and stop living in the past. You should have known what to expect when R* took over

SPYDER0416

This is just another popular game, getting a well done sequels, and whiny fans still hating on it because it decided to actually move forward since the 9 years when the last game came out.

I guess everything is moving forward then.

Dragon age Origins to DA 2,SupCom 1 to SupCom 2,MW1 to MW2,Deus Ex to Deus Ex IW...None of them was worse than their prequel.They just moved forward.

MP3 for me is easily the best.
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The gunplay is top-notch, the voice acting and writing are way better than they were in previous games. Also the setting is much better, the second level of the favela? Holy ****, that was spetacular.

Just picked it up tonight, so I'll know soon enough.

The Games basically a movie.

What the hell did rockstar hire Kojima somewhere along development?

The noir setting stylerunbleduck

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Just ignore the TC, it's the classic adjustment syndrome that many develop when something better/different comes a long. Sure he is LOVING it right now. That being said, the gunplay/gameplay is unmatched and by far the TPS of the decade. Doubt it'll be topped...nuff said.

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megadeth1117

Hmmm... I loved the previous Max Payne games and I have just as fond a feeling for Max Payne 3.

I think that people need to unclench a little bit and make peace with the notion that we can't cling to how things used to be.

Hmmm... I loved the previous Max Payne games and I have just as fond a feeling for Max Payne 3.

I think that people need to unclench a little bit and make peace with the notion that we can't cling to how things used to be.

VoodooHak

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Hmmm... I loved the previous Max Payne games and I have just as fond a feeling for Max Payne 3.

I think that people need to unclench a little bit and make peace with the notion that we can't cling to how things used to be.

soapandbubbles

EXACTLY THIS! 100%, people need to let go of the past, and especially should be appreciative of how close it was to Max Payne for a 9 year gap in his life (as well as ours). Any other game would replace the voice actors, change the character's look and take away pain killers in favor of regenerating health, something Splinter Cell: Blacklist didn't even need 9 years or a developer change to do.

Its the same as the people that whine about Battlefield 3 and harp on about Battlefield 2 ignoring that no, the game was not perfect when it released all those years ago and that yes, times have changed quite a bit since 2005.

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Times change and games change. Get over it and stop living in the past. You should have known what to expect when R* took over

call_of_duty_10

This is just another popular game, getting a well done sequels, and whiny fans still hating on it because it decided to actually move forward since the 9 years when the last game came out.

I guess everything is moving forward then.

Dragon age Origins to DA 2,SupCom 1 to SupCom 2,MW1 to MW2,Deus Ex to Deus Ex IW...None of them was worse than their prequel.They just moved forward.

Half-Life to Half-Life 2, Assassin's Creed to Assassin's Creed II, Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2, Grand Theft Auto III to Grand Theft Auto Vice City and San Andreas, Batman Arkham Asylum to Batman: Arkham City, Hitman to Hitman 2 (and then all the way to Blood Money, the best game in the series), Call of Duty 1 to Call of Duty 2 (you seem to ignore those before MW1 to MW2), etc.

Hmm, funny how these don't show up in that list there, and its equally funny how Max Payne 3 has received so much critical acclaim in comparison to those titles as well as objective improvements to the writing and gameplay while retaining the core of the character and gameplay, as noted by reviewers. But I guess if a fanboy really wants to prove their point, they'll ignore all reason and hope someone doesn't pull a much bigger list of amazing sequels. Damn nostalgia goggles, some people must have them glued on.