LMAO Skyrim is freaking terrible!

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#1 Juub1990
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Decided to replay the Special Edition and holy shit forgot how bad this game was. The quests which are to be the meat and bones of an open-world RPG are straight up awful.

An example is a quest called The Book of Love. You gotta help lovers confess their love to each other and oh man is it bad. One quest involves an old elven man in love with the Jarl's bodyguard. He cannot bring himself to tell her he has feelings so he has you snooping around for him. You end up taking a letter from some guy who used to be a bard and change it up so it appears it was written by the old elf. You deliver the letter to the object of the elf's desire and she writes you another letter that you gotta deliver to him.

Eventually they meet and it is downright BAD. I cannot stress just how bad it is. It goes something like this:

Calcelmo: Faleen...I

Faleen: Shhh...no need to say any more. I didn't know you were so nuanced.

Calcelmo: I love you.

Faleen: I know. Come here.

Then she goes back to her duties and he goes back to his research lol.

The delivery was deadpan, no emotion, no intonation. Just dead. The quest was laughably short and bad. The writing was the stuff that would make you fail in 2nd grade. You did nothing aside from delivering letters for two grown adults like they were in their 1st year of elementary school.

I wouldn't complain so much if it was the only instance but most quests in Skyrim are every bit as bad. The Witcher 3's writing exposed just how awful this game truly is. It cannot be saved by its combat system, graphics or RPG mechanics either. It's glitchy as hell and many people find it worthless without mods.

It's not just bad. It might just reach the so bad it's good category.

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#2 Chutebox
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Yup, game is pure shit

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#3 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

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#4  Edited By Juub1990
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@charizard1605: Address the content of my post instead. You're free to like it. At least it's good at wasting time and at getting immersed, I'll give it that but the myriads of bugs and other issues really get in the way of the immersion.

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#5 legendofsense
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Combat is pure shit

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The game is fantastic, how Bethesda is milking it is terrible

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#7 Basinboy
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"The Lusty Argonian Maid" redeems it

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@charizard1605 said:

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Or agree that it has not aged well.

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#9 Juub1990
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@Basinboy: Been around since Morrowind.

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#10  Edited By EndofAugust
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I enjoyed it, I really couldn't give two shits what you think about it in your blog.

Why do people think that everyone needs to know their opinion about games randomly? If it's being talked about or in some type of related discussion sure, but to just bring it up as the basis of a discussion, why?

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#11  Edited By ShepardCommandr
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people don't play es for it's story or characters or even the gameplay

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#12 cainetao11
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I respect that.

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#13  Edited By appariti0n
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Meh, it was ok when it released, my standards were much lower though.

It's just that every Bethesda game is the same damn game every time, with the same bugs, same awful AI, load times to enter a 50 sq ft building, and same fugly character models/ skin textures that look like they were hiding in an outhouse. The only difference is, will you walk around with guns and fight mutants? Or walk around with sword and shield?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bethesda is like the Nickelback of Developers.

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Garbage game that's completely over rated and Bethesda has milked it to death, and some

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#15  Edited By Juub1990
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@endofaugust: Why do you keep coming back?

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#16 Juub1990
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@cainetao11 said:

I respect that.

Likewise.

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@Juub1990 said:
@cainetao11 said:

I respect that.

Likewise.

Yup. I did enjoy Skyrim. I'm a 44 year old man that started playing games on a Pong console in the 1970s. At this point in my life I have accepted I will not like what others do and vice versa. All good in my hood. Play something you like bro because I have enjoyed conversing with you over the years

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#18 djoffer
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Yep! Fallout 4 is a looot worse though!

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It was one of my absolute favorite gaming experiences from last gen. I loved it.

**shrugs**

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Mod it.

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This is very nice and decent post .... You rocked posting it thanks a lot for posting it...!!

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#23  Edited By mrbojangles25
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As an action game with RPG elements, I found it to be pretty good. That's pretty much what the game is.

But as an RPG? Yeah, pretty bad.

Still love Skyrim, though; hundreds of hours spent playing it.

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@Ant_17 said:
@charizard1605 said:

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Or agree that it has not aged well.

It really didn't age well. Played the 360 version a couple of weeks ago, and stopped after 30min. Combat really is shit

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96% metacritic.

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#26 DragonfireXZ95
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Yep, the dialogue, delivery, story and characters are all just plain awful.

There's a part in the main quest where you encounter another dragon, and you experience some of the worst voice acting you'll ever hear.

Check out that voice acting and goofy stilted dialogue...

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I often see comparison's between The Witcher 3 and games like Skyrim. Of course some of the writing in the Witcher games is better, because for one thing the developer doesn't have to think or worry about the main protagonist being anything other than the predefined character, Geralt the Witcher with swords and magic. All of the dialogue and responses to you, as the player, are therefore centred around the lore of that occupation and that central character's reputation. By contrast, Bethesda has to cater to not only different genders and races of the main protagonist, but also juggle what kind of responses people in the world would make dependent on which faction you've chosen, or how the way you've played the game is perceived. I would argue it is much harder to write appropriate responses when dealing with a main character that is so variable and fluid.

That aside, yes, some of the quest dialogue and delivery in Bethesda's games (not just Skyrim) can be cringe-worthy at times, and there are a few examples that can be highlighted, like the one posted by the OP. I also feel that sometimes Bethesda has a great idea but does not go far enough with it to the logical conclusion, or allow appropriate long-lasting consequences to actions. They tend to shy away from that, which is a shame. On the other hand, I've completed many quests in Skyrim where I felt the voice acting and dialogue was just fine, and there are a number of memorable characters as a result of that. I've found many of the quests to be enjoyable, and the faction quest lines in particular were well done. I would also say that at least Bethesda tries to offer a decent variety of questing and some interesting side stories to cater to different play styles.

When it comes to combat and/or how you interact with a game, that is always going to be a matter of personal preference. Some prefer a more rigid approach that focuses more on story, while others prefer more freedom and fluidity of gameplay.

Speaking of personal preference, I've never finished a Witcher game. I've tried many times but always lose interest. Why? Because I dislike the central character Geralt and cannot empathise with him in any way. I don't like the way he looks, the way he speaks, or the fact that you're a Witcher and nothing else. If you want to play a predefined 'role' that's fine, but it's not what I look for in a role playing game. I never finished the game Two Worlds 2 for the same reason. Perhaps it's due to my background playing a lot of D&D games back in the day, and having that freedom of choice regarding race/class/gender. Others will intensely disagree, and that's fine, but personally I've had more actual 'role playing' experiences in Bethesda's games than any other, creating many different characters, each of whom I've played in different ways. I like that freedom of expression through gameplay.

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@Juub1990 said:

@endofaugust: Why do you keep coming back?

Because he has no dignity and doesn't care how pathetic it makes himself look.

I never really got into the game but that won't stop me from trying again in VR. Looking kind of forward to it.

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#30 mjorh
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I'm in line with you and the thread that I created a while ago proved how divided ppl are regarding this game

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#31 DocSanchez
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Everyone if you enjoy skyrim, you have to stop. Some supremely obnoxious internet warrior thinks its shit so in spite of being one of the most popular games in recent times you have to stop liking it now.

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#33 Epak_
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Boring and clunky, a total drag.

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#34 Random_Matt
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Exactly what kind of combat do people want? Lighting bolts coming out of a blade or something?

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#35 Phreek300
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Yeah, I have to agree with the OP. Skyrim is highly overrated for the flaws listed. I always thought that Oblivion was a better base game than Skyrim. It had a better story, better character designs, better sound design, and cooler characters. Of course that is just my opinion.

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@Juub1990:

I agree, the quests aren't exactly amazing but Skyrim's immense world and with the amount of things you can do, it more than makes up for it. It's not as well written as the Witcher but it'll definitely give you more reasons to go back to play it. Skyrim did just that.

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@Gallowhand said:

I often see comparison's between The Witcher 3 and games like Skyrim. Of course some of the writing in the Witcher games is better, because for one thing the developer doesn't have to think or worry about the main protagonist being anything other than the predefined character, Geralt the Witcher with swords and magic. All of the dialogue and responses to you, as the player, are therefore centred around the lore of that occupation and that central character's reputation. By contrast, Bethesda has to cater to not only different genders and races of the main protagonist, but also juggle what kind of responses people in the world would make dependent on which faction you've chosen, or how the way you've played the game is perceived. I would argue it is much harder to write appropriate responses when dealing with a main character that is so variable and fluid.

That aside, yes, some of the quest dialogue and delivery in Bethesda's games (not just Skyrim) can be cringe-worthy at times, and there are a few examples that can be highlighted, like the one posted by the OP. I also feel that sometimes Bethesda has a great idea but does not go far enough with it to the logical conclusion, or allow appropriate long-lasting consequences to actions. They tend to shy away from that, which is a shame. On the other hand, I've completed many quests in Skyrim where I felt the voice acting and dialogue was just fine, and there are a number of memorable characters as a result of that. I've found many of the quests to be enjoyable, and the faction quest lines in particular were well done. I would also say that at least Bethesda tries to offer a decent variety of questing and some interesting side stories to cater to different play styles.

When it comes to combat and/or how you interact with a game, that is always going to be a matter of personal preference. Some prefer a more rigid approach that focuses more on story, while others prefer more freedom and fluidity of gameplay.

Speaking of personal preference, I've never finished a Witcher game. I've tried many times but always lose interest. Why? Because I dislike the central character Geralt and cannot empathise with him in any way. I don't like the way he looks, the way he speaks, or the fact that you're a Witcher and nothing else. If you want to play a predefined 'role' that's fine, but it's not what I look for in a role playing game. I never finished the game Two Worlds 2 for the same reason. Perhaps it's due to my background playing a lot of D&D games back in the day, and having that freedom of choice regarding race/class/gender. Others will intensely disagree, and that's fine, but personally I've had more actual 'role playing' experiences in Bethesda's games than any other, creating many different characters, each of whom I've played in different ways. I like that freedom of expression through gameplay.

Well said.

Elder Scrolls games are not about movie-level presentation in an RPG, it's just about being able to do what you want in a fantasy universe, where things like Acting/Animation is not the priority, but the living/breathing setup of the characters and world...

That being said however, BETHESDA have been using an outdated engine for far too long, for a company that has had such high success in both critic and sales, their commitment to improving their production values has been p*ss poor....

I'm really hoping we havn't heard about the next Elder Scrolls because they are finally writing a new engine from scratch or at least heavily modifying to the point where its barely recognisable compared to their previous works.

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#38 Juub1990
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@MBirdy88 said:

Well said.

Elder Scrolls games are not about movie-level presentation in an RPG, it's just about being able to do what you want in a fantasy universe, where things like Acting/Animation is not the priority, but the living/breathing setup of the characters and world...

That being said however, BETHESDA have been using an outdated engine for far too long, for a company that has had such high success in both critic and sales, their commitment to improving their production values has been p*ss poor....

I'm really hoping we havn't heard about the next Elder Scrolls because they are finally writing a new engine from scratch or at least heavily modifying to the point where its barely recognisable compared to their previous works.

Yep already mentioned that above to. I do give it credit for being very immersive. As you mentioned though, the engine they're using is completely outdated and I believe they're using the same one for Fallout 4. They seem to go for quantity over quality. They could have cut the number of quests in half and polish them more and it would still be a lot of content. Some quests(many) just made me chuckle because they were so bad.

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@Juub1990 said:
@MBirdy88 said:

Well said.

Elder Scrolls games are not about movie-level presentation in an RPG, it's just about being able to do what you want in a fantasy universe, where things like Acting/Animation is not the priority, but the living/breathing setup of the characters and world...

That being said however, BETHESDA have been using an outdated engine for far too long, for a company that has had such high success in both critic and sales, their commitment to improving their production values has been p*ss poor....

I'm really hoping we havn't heard about the next Elder Scrolls because they are finally writing a new engine from scratch or at least heavily modifying to the point where its barely recognisable compared to their previous works.

Yep already mentioned that above to. I do give it credit for being very immersive. As you mentioned though, the engine they're using is completely outdated and I believe they're using the same one for Fallout 4. They seem to go for quantity over quality. They could have cut the number of quests in half and polish them more and it would still be a lot of content. Some quests(many) just made me chuckle because they were so bad.

This wasn't a big issue on PC because of free mods (suppose it isn't on consoles as much now either) but yes... base games are pretty limited.

That being said, even though the first-person combat is clunkly, I love first person games, and the wide variety of actions/paths you can take on elder scrolls will bring me back more than the Witcher 3... or Breath of the Wild or anything else really....

The core gameplay and open nature of the game just gives me more incentive to replay... as apposed to the other 2 examples...

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Oh no, I hate a game that millions of people enjoy. Better make a thread about it.

-TC Logic.

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#41  Edited By lundy86_4
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Oh yeah, parts of that game are straight up garbage. The really fun aspect of those games are the initial wonderment for the exploration.

I still enjoy the heck out of the Elder Scrolls games.

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@speedfreak48t5p said:

Oh no, I hate a game that millions of people enjoy. Better make a thread about it.

-TC Logic.

Make that "internet logic."

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Look when I played skyrim I didn't go there for the writing which can be atrocious at time. Looks at the Storm cloaks vs the imperials storyline. But the game is fun from the fact that you can just goof around and not miss a thing breeze through the story and just be along your day. It is one of the few games other than GTA that is almost a create your own adventure like game. So when you say it is just terrible it's just bad to you. Other people are going to enjoy it despite your tastes.

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Skyrim=one of the best of all time. I'm sure some people love grotesquely obese people too, but that is the exception rather than the rule (this would be you, op). The general rule is it was a phenomenal game. Especially in terms of just exploring, and doing what you want. I was going to write more just now, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

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#45  Edited By commander
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Over a 1000 hours in this game and I will go back once the vr edition releases.

This game is a landmark and like the poster above me mentioned, the arrow to the knee reference was an internet phenomenon. That's how big the game was.

The witcher 3 emphasizes a lot more on cutscenes, dialogue and graphics. So it's only normal it is better at it. But the witcher 3 doesn't have the freedom skyrim has . You can't even sneak, the shooting mechanics (bow and arrow) are way better than anything the witcher has. Everything in your inventory can be picked up seperately. The witcher 3 doesn't have as much content either.

The game is 6 years old in november. The witcher 3 is only 2 years old and it's from another generation.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve here.

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Morrorwind was the last somewhat decent TES. But really, the series only lives by its mods. Standalone t's bad

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#47  Edited By Zaryia
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Morrowind-------------->Oblivion->>>>>>>Skyrim

The latter two are unplayable without mods. (the real mods, not the scraps that PSN/XBL offer).

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#48  Edited By Zaryia
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@nintendoboy16 said:
@speedfreak48t5p said:

Oh no, I hate a game that millions of people enjoy. Better make a thread about it.

-TC Logic.

Make that "internet logic."

I consider Skyrim/CoD like the Big Bang Theory or McDonalds of their respective genres.

SUPER popular, but really really shitty and unwatchable/uneatable.

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#49 Juub1990
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@commander: I like you just glossed over the facts the quests are straight up terrible. Nevermind the endless amount of bugs and outdated visuals. Players basically have to make their own enjoyment out of the game. The core mechanics are too awful to be salvaged.

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#50 Juub1990
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@demi0227_basic: Oh great an appeal to popularity fallacy.