Killzone 2...all graphics, but no gameplay

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#1 MaxPower15
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Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
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Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|

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#4 Masta--Killa
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Anways look at billy the kid get owned http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=314159282&topic=23210239&page=0

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#5 Flugigo
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"but no gameplay"

Wtf? How would you know. Sorry, strike a loss for your team.
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Despite what the Catholic Church says, contraceptives are good.
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Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
MaxPower15

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.

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Despite what the Catholic Church says, contraceptives are good. AtomicLightbulb


lma:lol:
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#9 MaxPower15
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I don't know how but all I know is that Michael Owen is probably the most overrated player I've ever seen :wink:alio

Someone is angry he lost an fa cup final to his two goals ^_^

158 goals in 300 games, numbers don't lie kid. ;)
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Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
MaxPower15

thats what the PS3 is gonna be all about, all graphics and no gameplay

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I don't know how but all I know is that Michael Owen is probably the most overrated player I've ever seen :wink:alio
:shock:
*slap*
<3

I also agree with Max.. graphics mean nothing when they're not backed up by gameplay.
Why play a game to look at it
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#12 207096131449607340109420185522
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[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
donnie_mcgee

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.


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[QUOTE="AtomicLightbulb"]Despite what the Catholic Church says, contraceptives are good. vulkanraven


lma:lol:



Well, at least one person found it funny; sadly, the majority of forumites may not know what contraception is...
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[QUOTE="alio"]I don't know how but all I know is that Michael Owen is probably the most overrated player I've ever seen :wink:MaxPower15

Someone is angry he lost an fa cup final to his two goals ^_^

158 goals in 300 games, numbers don't lie kid. ;)

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1558893,00.html

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#15 MaxPower15
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[QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"]

[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
CassidyIzABeast

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.


:|
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Did rockstar make a 5.3 game after releasing gta 2? :|
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[QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"]

[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
CassidyIzABeast

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.


:|
GTA2 6.9
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nuff said

Rockstar had 4 years to make GTA3 good. Guerrilla has 8 months, if it comes out at launch.

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#17 MaxPower15
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[QUOTE="MaxPower15"][QUOTE="alio"]I don't know how but all I know is that Michael Owen is probably the most overrated player I've ever seen :wink:alio


Someone is angry he lost an fa cup final to his two goals ^_^

158 goals in 300 games, numbers don't lie kid. ;)

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1558893,00.html


:| :lol: Owen is not joining newcastle...no wayz
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#18 207096131449607340109420185522
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[QUOTE="CassidyIzABeast"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"]

[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
Big_Dom2786

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.


:|
GTA2 6.9
GTA3 9.6

nuff said

Rockstar had 4 years to make GTA3 good. Guerrilla has 8 months, if it comes out at launch.


no chance in hell of KZ being a launch title, 2007 at the earliest
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Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
MaxPower15


how do we know? and they did a good job with the hardware they just need to fine tune the gameplay a bit and they are fine
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#20 alio
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[QUOTE="alio"]

[QUOTE="MaxPower15"][QUOTE="alio"]I don't know how but all I know is that Michael Owen is probably the most overrated player I've ever seen :wink:MaxPower15


Someone is angry he lost an fa cup final to his two goals ^_^

158 goals in 300 games, numbers don't lie kid. ;)

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1558893,00.html


:| :lol: Owen is not joining newcastle...no wayz

What makes you so sure ? It seems like Benitez doesn't want him on his team .... maybe Owen will join Liverpool so that he gets a chance to play some European football this season but still he is the most overrated player in English history after Beckflop ofcourse :lol:

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If KillZone Ps3 is a success, i'll be happy but if it's not, i wouldn't really care.
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#22 207096131449607340109420185522
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[QUOTE="CassidyIzABeast"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"]

[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
MaxPower15

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.


:|
GTA2 6.9
GTA3 9.6

nuff said


Did rockstar make a 5.3 game after releasing gta 2? :|


well when you split your dev team in 2 groups to make 2 games at one time....hell if we know, Guerrilla got the kits 6 months before E3 and they've been working on it ever since. Yet that doesn't mean they didn't have another kit b/c they're were 360 alpha kits out back in 2003:|
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Wow this kind of got off topic.

Anyways, there are 3 points in the video that are evidence of being in-game. I'M NOT SAYING THE WHOLE VIDEO IS COMPLETELY LEGIT

I think that they definantly did something...SOMETHING was done. I just don't know what.

Anyways, when the camera pans to the back of the dropship, there is a strange color shift that wouldn't be in a CG movie. Also, after the other dropship is hit with the missile, you can see textures of buldings loading way in the distance. And the third one is the most noticable. The helghast soldier that spawns on the back of the jeep turret as it zooms past the screen. None of these things would be in a fully CG video.
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#24 MaxPower15
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[QUOTE="MaxPower15"][QUOTE="CassidyIzABeast"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"]

[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
CassidyIzABeast

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.


:|
GTA2 6.9
GTA3 9.6

nuff said


Did rockstar make a 5.3 game after releasing gta 2? :|


well when you split your dev team in 2 groups to make 2 games at one time....hell if we know, Guerrilla got the kits 6 months before E3 and they've been working on it ever since. Yet that doesn't mean they didn't have another kit b/c they're were 360 alpha kits out back in 2003:|


Ok, i'll jump on your bandwagon...rockstar definitely has the potential of making killzone 3 amazing...kinda like how GTA went from 6.9 to 9.6 :roll:
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Wow this kind of got off topic.

Anyways, there are 3 points in the video that are evidence of being in-game. I'M NOT SAYING THE WHOLE VIDEO IS COMPLETELY LEGIT

I think that they definantly did something...SOMETHING was done. I just don't know what.

Anyways, when the camera pans to the back of the dropship, there is a strange color shift that wouldn't be in a CG movie. Also, after the other dropship is hit with the missile, you can see textures of buldings loading way in the distance. And the third one is the most noticable. The helghast soldier that spawns on the back of the jeep turret as it zooms past the screen. None of these things would be in a fully CG video.
Jackal12345

Its made similar to the Gundam World demo at E3, the Gundam demo have to have been rendered in the actual game engine b/c the in gam stuff is way too close to what was shown at E3. They took the game engine, prerendered the elements b/c they were running short on time, they could do much else to it as far as upping the frame rate goes since E3 was closing in so fast and so they recorded what they had and sped it up.

Wow, I can't way to read the interview with Guerrilla on the real truth behind the E3 video:P
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#26 Jackal12345
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And what do you expect them to say?
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[QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"]

[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
CassidyIzABeast

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.


:|
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thats a very different situation. with gta3 they completely re-invented the series with an open ended 3-d world. KZ2 isn't re-inventing anything, it's still your normal fps setup and guerilla has already proven they can't make good shooters.

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Well actuall, gurilla promised a lot of gameplay innoventions. But then agian it is gurilla.
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Well actuall, gurilla promised a lot of gameplay innoventions. But then agian it is gurilla.Wasdie

i remember all those doctored pics they released before the game came out. i was impressed and thought it had a chance to be pretty good......man was i wrong and the graphics were horrible compared to some of the early pics released.

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[QUOTE="CassidyIzABeast"][QUOTE="donnie_mcgee"]

[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
Big_Dom2786

guerilla just does not have a good track record of making good games. Sure halo 2 is great but i think the graphics in chaos theory are better, so am i going to stop playing halo 2...no. but better graphics does not make a better game.


:|
GTA2 6.9
GTA3 9.6

nuff said

Rockstar had 4 years to make GTA3 good. Guerrilla has 8 months, if it comes out at launch.



KZ 2 a launch title? Hellz naw.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Well actuall, gurilla promised a lot of gameplay innoventions. But then agian it is gurilla.crushed21

i remember all those doctored pics they released before the game came out. i was impressed and thought it had a chance to be pretty good......man was i wrong and the graphics were horrible compared to some of the early pics released.

still, I liked how the charactsr's were modeled in the game with their faces fully modeled, the hands were ugly though..

Too bad, this game could have been much better.

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the only reason why i still have faith in the KZ franchise is because i saw great potential in the original KZ, even when playing the game and seeing the awful scores it got. Its obvious that the devs put effort into it, and the concept was excellent, as well as the art direction...it just wasn't executed very well.


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the only reason why i still have faith in the KZ franchise is because i saw great potential in the original KZ, even when playing the game and seeing the awful scores it got. Its obvious that the devs put effort into it, and the concept was excellent, as well as the art direction...it just wasn't executed very well.Nova14


I have the game and I'm enjoying it a lot. All they need to do is just fix up the glitches, get the frame rate up, and fix the AI -- then it'll be AAA. I actually can't wait until Killzone 2 comes out.
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[QUOTE="Nova14"]the only reason why i still have faith in the KZ franchise is because i saw great potential in the original KZ, even when playing the game and seeing the awful scores it got. Its obvious that the devs put effort into it, and the concept was excellent, as well as the art direction...it just wasn't executed very well.Anstice


I have the game and I'm enjoying it a lot. All they need to do is just fix up the glitches, get the frame rate up, and fix the AI -- then it'll be AAA. I actually can't wait until Killzone 2 comes out.

don't forget a jump button
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Killzone is one of the best looking PS2 games easily. GU has a lot of talent but I think the combination of overzelous goals and Sony rushing them will make it suck
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#36 207096131449607340109420185522
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[QUOTE="Nova14"]the only reason why i still have faith in the KZ franchise is because i saw great potential in the original KZ, even when playing the game and seeing the awful scores it got. Its obvious that the devs put effort into it, and the concept was excellent, as well as the art direction...it just wasn't executed very well.Anstice


I have the game and I'm enjoying it a lot. All they need to do is just fix up the glitches, get the frame rate up, and fix the AI -- then it'll be AAA. I actually can't wait until Killzone 2 comes out.


When KZ PS3 releases we'll see what Guerrilla wanted the first game to be
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Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
MaxPower15
all graphics? I would actually like to see graphics for turdzone 2 and not some pre-render.
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#38 Chicano3000
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[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
Danthegamingman
all graphics? I would actually like to see graphics for turdzone 2 and not some pre-render.

hey dan.

nova has some good points about the game, I triedexplaining but he did it better about why me, and alot of other people like KZ:

the only reason why i still have faith in the KZ franchise is because i saw great potential in the original KZ, even when playing the game and seeing the awful scores it got. Its obvious that the devs put effort into it, and the concept was excellent, as well as the art direction...it just wasn't executed very well.


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Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
MaxPower15


whoa you played it already?

oh wait, no you didnt. shut up.
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#40 Anstice
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[QUOTE="MaxPower15"]Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
Danthegamingman
all graphics? I would actually like to see graphics for turdzone 2 and not some pre-render.



There's strong evidence that supports that Killzone PS3 was not animated CGI. Just go watch the video, quit listening to a guy pulling opinions out of his dirty ass and then you'll see. Backrounds not loading past enough, characters popping up, floating gun, etc. It's all there in front of eyes.

Oh wait... they did that on purpose. Didn't they? Fill a CGI trailer full of glitches to trick us poor gamers. *rolls eyes*
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#41 darksilouette
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If it screws up in the gameplay as bad as the first one did... FLOP
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#42 ps2owns
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If they get more time to work on it (fix bugs, polish it) then it wont flop.
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floating gun? someone please point this out to me

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After seeing a powerpoint presentation of the AI techniques, the AI will be very solid.........

Don't doubt Killzone because DOA scored lower than an 8 here............
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#45 escaflowne36
Member since 2004 • 3005 Posts
self owned..they did such a good job with the ps2 hardware that the ps3 could not even handle its own capabilities...i think its going to be good, u can mark my hype and own me when if it comes out if possible
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#46 powerman1990
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self owned..they did such a good job with the ps2 hardware that the ps3 could not even handle its own capabilities...i think its going to be good, u can mark my hype and own me when if it comes out if possibleescaflowne36

That's the way I feel.........Killzone will be what it should have been on the PS3....
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#47 Lord_Fro
Member since 2005 • 1922 Posts
Even then, we have no guarantee that guerilla will deliver those graphics in real time.

If they couldn't even do a good job with xbox and ps2 hardware, how well will they do next time around? :|
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It's obvious to tell the game will have poor gameplay huh? Sorry but only a fool would pre-judge a game and make such baseless statements.
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#48 Drew_05
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can i borrow your time travel suit douche, im in need of some time travel aswell. Have to go and see when my T will be cooked..............
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#49 Jackal12345
Member since 2003 • 108 Posts

will someone please tell me where the floating gun is in the video?

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#50 Jackal12345
Member since 2003 • 108 Posts
ANYONE?