judging by what im reading, activision has completely killed guitar hero

warrirors of rock sounds horrid from both user and "professional" reviews... long term damage from kotick is starting to become visible. How much longer before call of duty is in the same boat? For me mw2 was already stale, but it sold like crazy... so I could be wrong.

I think Kotick has a long fall coming, though through all his ridiculous smack talk, I believe he's made Activision a pretty penny.

thanks for the good news :D

I already realized this after Guitar hero 3.Fightingfan

Guitar Hero got boring when they decided to make it less a music game about being in a rock band to being a badass god of rock that saves the world by lighting moving gems on fire.

The whole Genre is a joke imo.

Go out and buy or rent a instrument and make your own music!

Does it suprise you? They did the same thing with the Tony Hawk series.

The whole Genre is a joke imo.

Go out and buy or rent a instrument and make your own music!

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

The whole Genre is a joke imo.

Go out and buy or rent a instrument and make your own music!

craftieman05

You need to get off your high horse as well. People have different opinions. Freedom of speech exists for a reason.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

The whole Genre is a joke imo.

Go out and buy or rent a instrument and make your own music!

craftieman05

Ive come to the conclusion that most (not all) of the people who hate GH/RB and the people who play it are unable to play a fake or real instrument themselves.

I play the games to interact while listening to a song that I like. It's like telling someone not to sing along to their favorite song.... sorry, but I'm gonna sing. :lol:

On topic: Yes, GH sucks now, I'm getting rock band.... just hope it's not to many 80's songs because of the keyboard addition :P

I'm not much of a music game player. My nephews play Guitar Hero 3 a lot.

Hopefully this is the end of GH and we can see some of those songs as Rock Band DLC in the near future.

Ive come to the conclusion that most (not all) of the people who hate GH/RB and the people who play it are unable to play a fake or real instrument themselves.

I play the games to interact while listening to a song that I like. It's like telling someone not to sing along to their favorite song.... sorry, but I'm gonna sing. :lol:

On topic: Yes, GH sucks now, I'm getting rock band.... just hope it's not to many 80's songs because of the keyboard addition :P

FragTycoon

Agreed on all fronts!

... Except the 80's jab. Bring on Safety Dance!!! :P

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Ive come to the conclusion that most (not all) of the people who hate GH/RB and the people who play it are unable to play a fake or real instrument themselves.

I play the games to interact while listening to a song that I like. It's like telling someone not to sing along to their favorite song.... sorry, but I'm gonna sing. :lol:

On topic: Yes, GH sucks now, I'm getting rock band.... just hope it's not to many 80's songs because of the keyboard addition :P

santoron

Agreed on all fronts!

... Except the 80's jab. Bring on Safety Dance!!! :P

you can dance if you want to.... :P

The music game genre is pretty stupid imo. With all the money people spend on these games and the plastic instruments you could go out and by a pretty decent guitar.

The music game genre is pretty stupid imo. With all the money people spend on these games and the plastic instruments you could go out and by a pretty decent guitar.

DillonShwing

Except learning to play a musical instrument bottlenecks you into that instrument, and requires 3x the effort. People want to be able to listen to a song they like, while being able to play along with the song and have an effect on it while it`s being played. Unless you join a cover band "after" you've already spent years learning how to play, then you wouldn't be able to get that same type of engagement.

The whole Genre is a joke imo.

Go out and buy or rent a instrument and make your own music!

kozzy1234

people have there opinions

Who else could you possibly blame. Certainly not Harmonix and I'm sure Neversoft would love to actually spend a decent amount of time developing the games than rushing them out the door.

If nothing at least they didn't pump out like six Guitar Hero game this year, but the damage has already been done. This dead horse has been beaten thoroughly.

The whole Genre is a joke imo.

Go out and buy or rent a instrument and make your own music!

kozzy1234

i play a real instrument but i also enjoy music games.

OT: i agree. guitar hero has gone to **** since the third one and rock band blows it out of the water as far as an enjoyable music experience but the GH games are still fun to play if not just for the different songs.

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]Definitely better than the horrid rock band 3 (People want to play plastic guitars with 1000 buttons!!! YEAH!)ichc1000x

That's perhaps the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.

Is it really? I don't know a single person that finds that guitar a good idea. Do you? If so, why? Care to explain?

They got the idea that people that play guitar hero/rockband do it because they're wannabe musicians, so now they're creating plastic pseudo-real instruments. They're basically killing the soul of the game.

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]Definitely better than the horrid rock band 3 (People want to play plastic guitars with 1000 buttons!!! YEAH!)T3H_1337_N1NJ4

That's perhaps the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.

Is it really? I don't know a single person that finds that guitar a good idea. Do you? If so, why? Care to explain?

They got the idea that people that play guitar hero/rockband do it because they're wannabe musicians, so now they're creating plastic pseudo-real instruments. They're basically killing the soul of the game.

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]

Is it really? I don't know a single person that finds that guitar a good idea. Do you? If so, why? Care to explain?

They got the idea that people that play guitar hero/rockband do it because they're wannabe musicians, so now they're creating plastic pseudo-real instruments. They're basically killing the soul of the game.

linkin_guy109

Now I don't want to sound like the typical guitar hero / rockband hater but... if you really are interested in playing the real instrument. Get the real instrument.

The new rockband guitar looks about as complicated as a real guitar (if not more). Have you seen the chart?? It's a sequence of numbers going down at high speed... It's just no fun...

Edit: Sreencapped the part I'm talking about

I mean, c'mon really??

Rhythm based games can't evolve. How different is Guitar Hero 99 gonna be from the 1st? They' cant make the game more complex otherwise it alienates the primary fanbase, so that leaves Rock band/Guitar Hero92424 with some new songs.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Ive come to the conclusion that most (not all) of the people who hate GH/RB and the people who play it are unable to play a fake or real instrument themselves.

I play the games to interact while listening to a song that I like. It's like telling someone not to sing along to their favorite song.... sorry, but I'm gonna sing. :lol:

On topic: Yes, GH sucks now, I'm getting rock band.... just hope it's not to many 80's songs because of the keyboard addition :P

santoron

Agreed on all fronts!

... Except the 80's jab. Bring on Safety Dance!!! :P

We can dance if we want to...

We can leave your friends behind...

'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance...

Well they're no friends of mine! :P

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I knew GH was dying dead to me since the Non Harmonix GHIII, as far as why Rockband is superior, it's Harmonix.

I love these games as I have a lot of BBQ's and parties, and these are just fun with a lot of people. Some people should just understand that a party or family scenario makes these games way more fun.

Great, that leaves us with just Rock Band, as it should be. Funny how GH tanked without Harmonix, and then Harmonix went on to make a superior series while Activision drove Guitar Hero into the ground.Skittles_McGee

To think, just 3 years ago the Guitar Hero franchise was considered a revolutionary game series that would be long standing alongside Rock Band.

Now there are so many crap Guitar Hero games that people are just tired of music games in general, all thanks to Kotick who is on his way to making military FPS games a forgotten genre.

Thanks for ruining games Bobby Kotick!

warrirors of rock sounds horrid from both user and "professional" reviews... long term damage from kotick is starting to become visible. How much longer before call of duty is in the same boat? For me mw2 was already stale, but it sold like crazy... so I could be wrong.

TerrorRizzing

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]Definitely better than the horrid rock band 3 (People want to play plastic guitars with 1000 buttons!!! YEAH!)T3H_1337_N1NJ4

That's perhaps the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.

Is it really? I don't know a single person that finds that guitar a good idea. Do you? If so, why? Care to explain?

They got the idea that people that play guitar hero/rockband do it because they're wannabe musicians, so now they're creating plastic pseudo-real instruments. They're basically killing the soul of the game.

Yes, it is. Perhaps a real guitar costs what? $800 - $1000? This thing costs $150. The only way this thing could be bad is if it didn't work. From what I'm seeing, it works quite fine to me.Guitar Hero was made so you can have the feeling of being a rock star. Rock Band expanded that. Oh, and did you ever consider the fact thatthis guitar is totally OPTIONAL? You can stilluse this game with your other Rock Band instruments. So yeah, your statement is completely ignorant.

Moral of the Story: Diminishing returns hurt a lot.

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

That's perhaps the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.

ichc1000x

Is it really? I don't know a single person that finds that guitar a good idea. Do you? If so, why? Care to explain?

They got the idea that people that play guitar hero/rockband do it because they're wannabe musicians, so now they're creating plastic pseudo-real instruments. They're basically killing the soul of the game.

Yes, it is. Perhaps a real guitar costs what? $800 - $1000? This thing costs $150. The only way this thing could be bad is if it didn't work. From what I'm seeing, it works quite fine to me.Guitar Hero was made so you can have the feeling of being a rock star. Rock Band expanded that. Oh, and did you ever consider the fact thatthis guitar is totally OPTIONAL? You can stilluse this game with your other Rock Band instruments. So yeah, your statement is completely ignorant.

It's hilariously ironic to see you call my statement ignorant and then proceed to say that a guitar costs 1000$.

I'd also like to call your atention to the picture I posted before in this topic. Do you really think that's something that will be fun to play? And yeah, sure you can use the normal guitar, but that's just the same all over again isn't it? And if that's bad in guitar hero, I'm guessing the same applies to rock band.

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]

Is it really? I don't know a single person that finds that guitar a good idea. Do you? If so, why? Care to explain?

They got the idea that people that play guitar hero/rockband do it because they're wannabe musicians, so now they're creating plastic pseudo-real instruments. They're basically killing the soul of the game.

T3H_1337_N1NJ4

Yes, it is. Perhaps a real guitar costs what? $800 - $1000? This thing costs $150. The only way this thing could be bad is if it didn't work. From what I'm seeing, it works quite fine to me.Guitar Hero was made so you can have the feeling of being a rock star. Rock Band expanded that. Oh, and did you ever consider the fact thatthis guitar is totally OPTIONAL? You can stilluse this game with your other Rock Band instruments. So yeah, your statement is completely ignorant.

It's hilariously ironic to see you call my statement ignorant and then proceed to say that a guitar costs 1000$.

I'd also like to call your atention to the picture I posted before in this topic. Do you really think that's something that will be fun to play? And yeah, sure you can use the normal guitar, but that's just the same all over again isn't it? And if that's bad in guitar hero, I'm guessing the same applies to rock band.

Here are some flaws with your desperate comeback. First, it's eBay. Everything on there is sold by individual people, and they set the prices. A guitar from a company itself costs around $650 at average. Second, the learning curve for the guitar will be pretty simple. From Harmonix's previous work, they've showed us that they canteach us how to use a peripheral. Third, they're making the guitar chart as accurate to the actual guitar part as they can with a peripheral like that. If you're going to go and whine that the charts are "too difficult" on Expert, then you need to go and whine to the musicians. Finally, it's hilarious seeing you actually try and look like you know what you're talking about. In your original post, you looked and sounded like a complete troll. You still do.

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

Yes, it is. Perhaps a real guitar costs what? $800 - $1000? This thing costs $150. The only way this thing could be bad is if it didn't work. From what I'm seeing, it works quite fine to me.Guitar Hero was made so you can have the feeling of being a rock star. Rock Band expanded that. Oh, and did you ever consider the fact thatthis guitar is totally OPTIONAL? You can stilluse this game with your other Rock Band instruments. So yeah, your statement is completely ignorant.

ichc1000x

It's hilariously ironic to see you call my statement ignorant and then proceed to say that a guitar costs 1000$.

I'd also like to call your atention to the picture I posted before in this topic. Do you really think that's something that will be fun to play? And yeah, sure you can use the normal guitar, but that's just the same all over again isn't it? And if that's bad in guitar hero, I'm guessing the same applies to rock band.

Here are some flaws with your desperate comeback. First, it's eBay. Everything on there is sold by individual people, and they set the prices. A guitar from a company itself costs around $650 at average. Second, the learning curve for the guitar will be pretty simple. From Harmonix's previous work, they've showed us that they canteach us how to use a peripheral. Third, they're making the guitar chart as accurate to the actual guitar part as they can with a peripheral like that. If you're going to go and whine that the charts are "too difficult" on Expert, then you need to go and whine to the musicians. Finally, it's hilarious seeing you actually try and look like you know what you're talking about. In your original post, you looked and sounded like a complete troll. You still do.

While I perfectly agree that my original post was in a not very appropriate tone, It was only due to trying to go down to the level of all the other posters bashing guitar hero without any reason.

Yet, I fail to see how you can accuse any of my other posts of trolling. Maybe that, and the idea that came out of nowhere (when it's apparently you that never saw a real guitar) that I don't know what I'm talking about are just your defense mechanisms for when you sense that logic has failed you.

I also see that my "desperate comeback" left you without any real comeback. It's still obvious to me you never went to a guitar shop in your entire life, nor have any idea of what a begginer's guitar costs. The one I put there is a perfectly normal price for a beginners guitar. It doesn't matter if it's from ebay or from where the hell it is. Do tell me when you find the brand new Rock Band 3 guitar selling for 10$ at eBay, since the prices there are so obviously out of touch with reality.

If anyone really wants to learn how to play a real guitar, I don't see why exactly it would be preferable to do it with a more expensive plastic one. It's not cheaper, and it's not the real thing. Again, reading those number flowing down the screen (if that's even possible at normal speed) is hardly the best way to learn how to play.

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]

It's hilariously ironic to see you call my statement ignorant and then proceed to say that a guitar costs 1000$.

I'd also like to call your atention to the picture I posted before in this topic. Do you really think that's something that will be fun to play? And yeah, sure you can use the normal guitar, but that's just the same all over again isn't it? And if that's bad in guitar hero, I'm guessing the same applies to rock band.

T3H_1337_N1NJ4

Here are some flaws with your desperate comeback. First, it's eBay. Everything on there is sold by individual people, and they set the prices. A guitar from a company itself costs around $650 at average. Second, the learning curve for the guitar will be pretty simple. From Harmonix's previous work, they've showed us that they canteach us how to use a peripheral. Third, they're making the guitar chart as accurate to the actual guitar part as they can with a peripheral like that. If you're going to go and whine that the charts are "too difficult" on Expert, then you need to go and whine to the musicians. Finally, it's hilarious seeing you actually try and look like you know what you're talking about. In your original post, you looked and sounded like a complete troll. You still do.

While I perfectly agree that my original post was in a not very appropriate tone, It was only due to trying to go down to the level of all the other posters bashing guitar hero without any reason.

Yet, I fail to see how you can accuse any of my other posts of trolling. Maybe that, and the idea that came out of nowhere (when it's apparently you that never saw a real guitar) that I don't know what I'm talking about are just your defense mechanisms for when you sense that logic has failed you.

I also see that my "desperate comeback" left you without any real comeback. It's still obvious to me you never went to a guitar shop in your entire life, nor have any idea of what a begginer's guitar costs. The one I put there is a perfectly normal price for a beginners guitar. It doesn't matter if it's from ebay or from where the hell it is. Do tell me when you find the brand new Rock Band 3 guitar selling for 10$ at eBay, since the prices there are so obviously out of touch with reality.

If anyone really wants to learn how to play a real guitar, I don't see why exactly it would be preferable to do it with a more expensive plastic one. It's not cheaper, and it's not the real thing. Again, reading those number flowing down the screen (if that's even possible at normal speed) is hardly the best way to learn how to play.

I actually have been in a guitar shop. Well, since you are in touch with Guitar Hero so much, what do you think about that stupid touch pad that they added on to the guitar? It's clunky, it doesn't work the way they were promoting it, and it just seems useless. I own the Guitar Hero peripherals and the Rock Band peripherals, and Rock Band's are absolutely better. TheRB drumslast much longer, the guitar works like a charm, and,well,there's themicrophone. What I'mtrying to say is that this guitar is going to work, and you'll be wrong. Have fun trollingRock Band 3, even though it'lldestroy Guitar Hero!

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]

While I perfectly agree that my original post was in a not very appropriate tone, It was only due to trying to go down to the level of all the other posters bashing guitar hero without any reason.

Yet, I fail to see how you can accuse any of my other posts of trolling. Maybe that, and the idea that came out of nowhere (when it's apparently you that never saw a real guitar) that I don't know what I'm talking about are just your defense mechanisms for when you sense that logic has failed you.

I also see that my "desperate comeback" left you without any real comeback. It's still obvious to me you never went to a guitar shop in your entire life, nor have any idea of what a begginer's guitar costs. The one I put there is a perfectly normal price for a beginners guitar. It doesn't matter if it's from ebay or from where the hell it is. Do tell me when you find the brand new Rock Band 3 guitar selling for 10$ at eBay, since the prices there are so obviously out of touch with reality.

If anyone really wants to learn how to play a real guitar, I don't see why exactly it would be preferable to do it with a more expensive plastic one. It's not cheaper, and it's not the real thing. Again, reading those number flowing down the screen (if that's even possible at normal speed) is hardly the best way to learn how to play.

ichc1000x

I actually have been in a guitar shop. Well, since you are in touch with Guitar Hero so much, what do you think about that stupid touch pad that they added on to the guitar? It's clunky, it doesn't work the way they were promoting it, and it just seems useless. I own the Guitar Hero peripherals and the Rock Band peripherals, and Rock Band's are absolutely better. TheRB drumslast much longer, the guitar works like a charm, and,well,there's themicrophone. What I'mtrying to say is that this guitar is going to work, and you'll be wrong. Have fun trollingRock Band 3, even though it'lldestroy Guitar Hero!

Hey, I'm not arguing that's it's not going to work. It obviously is. I'm just saying it's neither more fun than the original premise (the fun, party friendly music game), nor a better way to learn how to play a real guitar when compared to actually picking up a cheaper actually real guitar.

As for the perihepals, I almost completely agree. I do prefer the rock band drums but I prefer the feel of the guitar hero guitar. Also, yeah, the touch strip is just a gimmick which matters zero to actual gameplay. (Although this is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand)

The whole Genre is a joke imo.

Go out and buy or rent a instrument and make your own music!

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="ichc1000x"]

[QUOTE="T3H_1337_N1NJ4"]

While I perfectly agree that my original post was in a not very appropriate tone, It was only due to trying to go down to the level of all the other posters bashing guitar hero without any reason.

Yet, I fail to see how you can accuse any of my other posts of trolling. Maybe that, and the idea that came out of nowhere (when it's apparently you that never saw a real guitar) that I don't know what I'm talking about are just your defense mechanisms for when you sense that logic has failed you.

I also see that my "desperate comeback" left you without any real comeback. It's still obvious to me you never went to a guitar shop in your entire life, nor have any idea of what a begginer's guitar costs. The one I put there is a perfectly normal price for a beginners guitar. It doesn't matter if it's from ebay or from where the hell it is. Do tell me when you find the brand new Rock Band 3 guitar selling for 10$ at eBay, since the prices there are so obviously out of touch with reality.

If anyone really wants to learn how to play a real guitar, I don't see why exactly it would be preferable to do it with a more expensive plastic one. It's not cheaper, and it's not the real thing. Again, reading those number flowing down the screen (if that's even possible at normal speed) is hardly the best way to learn how to play.

T3H_1337_N1NJ4

I actually have been in a guitar shop. Well, since you are in touch with Guitar Hero so much, what do you think about that stupid touch pad that they added on to the guitar? It's clunky, it doesn't work the way they were promoting it, and it just seems useless. I own the Guitar Hero peripherals and the Rock Band peripherals, and Rock Band's are absolutely better. TheRB drumslast much longer, the guitar works like a charm, and,well,there's themicrophone. What I'mtrying to say is that this guitar is going to work, and you'll be wrong. Have fun trollingRock Band 3, even though it'lldestroy Guitar Hero!

Hey, I'm not arguing that's it's not going to work. It obviously is. I'm just saying it's neither more fun than the original premise (the fun, party friendly music game), nor a better way to learn how to play a real guitar when compared to actually picking up a cheaper actually real guitar.

As for the perihepals, I almost completely agree. I do prefer the rock band drums but I prefer the feel of the guitar hero guitar. Also, yeah, the touch strip is just a gimmick which matters zero to actual gameplay. (Although this is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand)

Okay. You have your opinions of the guitar, and I have mine. Case closed.

Okay. You have your opinions of the guitar, and I have mine. Case closed.

ichc1000x

Agreed! ;)

...

Although my oppinion is better!

[spoiler] I kid! I kid! [/spoiler]