JRPG vs WRPG - Which are better?

Oh and one more thing, for those that think JRPGs have better stories, I really beg to differ. WRPGs, especially the oldies, have stories that are head and shoulders above the JRPGs. medicine_freak

Oh and one more thing, for those that think JRPGs have better stories, I really beg to differ. WRPGs, especially the oldies, have stories that are head and shoulders above the JRPGs. medicine_freak

I grew up with JRPGs but I'd have to say WRPGs have really crushed JRPGs nowadays. Bigger worlds, non linear, more customization, more mods, better combat system and such.

WRPGs

[QUOTE="medicine_freak"]Oh and one more thing, for those that think JRPGs have better stories, I really beg to differ. WRPGs, especially the oldies, have stories that are head and shoulders above the JRPGs. iowastate

Oh and one more thing, for those that think JRPGs have better stories, I really beg to differ. WRPGs, especially the oldies, have stories that are head and shoulders above the JRPGs. medicine_freak

Would you like to use some games as a point of reference?

[QUOTE="medicine_freak"]Oh and one more thing, for those that think JRPGs have better stories, I really beg to differ. WRPGs, especially the oldies, have stories that are head and shoulders above the JRPGs. Lionheart08

Would you like to use some games as a point of reference?

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="medicine_freak"]Oh and one more thing, for those that think JRPGs have better stories, I really beg to differ. WRPGs, especially the oldies, have stories that are head and shoulders above the JRPGs. smerlus

Would you like to use some games as a point of reference?

I mean that's cool, it's just I'm noticing a reoccuring theme in this thread of people say "_RPG is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than _RPG" without at least explaining why the feel that way.

[QUOTE="medicine_freak"]Oh and one more thing, for those that think JRPGs have better stories, I really beg to differ. WRPGs, especially the oldies, have stories that are head and shoulders above the JRPGs. Lionheart08

Would you like to use some games as a point of reference?

WRPG for me, but I've honestly never given JRPGS a real chance. Dragon age heavily tips the scale further to WRPG.

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Would you like to use some games as a point of reference?

Lionheart08

I mean that's cool, it's just I'm noticing a reoccuring theme in this thread of people say "_RPG is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than _RPG" without at least explaining why the feel that way.

I feel that WRPGs have better stories mainly due to the enormous variety in the settings, the deeper backgrounds, and the fact that you can actually drive them. Most JRPGs are role imitation games, not role playing games, and the stories are carbon copies regardless of the actions you do in game. Where else would you play an immortal protagonist with complete memory loss living in a hellish plane investigating his own past? Certainly not in a JRPG.

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Would you like to use some games as a point of reference?

I mean that's cool, it's just I'm noticing a reoccuring theme in this thread of people say "_RPG is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than _RPG" without at least explaining why the feel that way.

why are people talking as if turn-based combat is the pinnacle of strategy? Turn-based combat is nothing more than a sub-category of gameplay which has it's own set of strategies compared to real time combat.

Turned based combat is NOT more strategically inclined than real time combat. Turned based combat is just more friendly to the people who can't think fast and need pauses to micro-manage.

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="smerlus"] My post lists the two major ones that come to mind.medicine_freak

I mean that's cool, it's just I'm noticing a reoccuring theme in this thread of people say "_RPG is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than _RPG" without at least explaining why the feel that way.

I feel that WRPGs have better stories mainly due to the enormous variety in the settings, the deeper backgrounds, and the fact that you can actually drive them. Most JRPGs are role imitation games, not role playing games, and the stories are carbon copies regardless of the actions you do in game. Where else would you play an immortal protagonist with complete memory loss living in a hellish plane investigating his own past? Certainly not in a JRPG.

Take out "hellish plane" and "immortal" and you've got a JRPG.

The ability to drive the plot doesn't make it better. Choose your own adventure novels aren't more viable than novels without that ... novelty.

why are people talking as if turn-based combat is the pinnacle of strategy? Turn-based combat is nothing more than a sub-category of gameplay which has it's own set of strategies compared to real time combat.

Turned based combat is NOT more strategically inclined than real time combat. Turned based combat is just more friendly to the people who can't think fast and need pauses to micro-manage.

jhcho2

Play Xenosaga Ep. II and III. They're fairly strategic and couldn't really be done real time. It wouldn't work.

why are people talking as if turn-based combat is the pinnacle of strategy? Turn-based combat is nothing more than a sub-category of gameplay which has it's own set of strategies compared to real time combat.

Turned based combat is NOT more strategically inclined than real time combat. Turned based combat is just more friendly to the people who can't think fast and need pauses to micro-manage.

jhcho2

Love em both

Matter of taste. To me WRPGs are tough to stay interested in especially if there is a lot of backtracking which pretty much means forced grinding.

[QUOTE="medicine_freak"]

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

I mean that's cool, it's just I'm noticing a reoccuring theme in this thread of people say "_RPG is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than _RPG" without at least explaining why the feel that way.

I feel that WRPGs have better stories mainly due to the enormous variety in the settings, the deeper backgrounds, and the fact that you can actually drive them. Most JRPGs are role imitation games, not role playing games, and the stories are carbon copies regardless of the actions you do in game. Where else would you play an immortal protagonist with complete memory loss living in a hellish plane investigating his own past? Certainly not in a JRPG.

Take out "hellish plane" and "immortal" and you've got a JRPG.

The ability to drive the plot doesn't make it better. Choose your own adventure novels aren't more viable than novels without that ... novelty.

I think both are pretty neutral overall. WRpgs have a lot of lore to them but too bad the characters are soo bland and boring to make anything matter, shame. The are really no good character growth and development in wrpgs which is a challage that needs totackled. Both tuype of rpgs suffer from recycled gameplay from superior games of the past. JRpgs relly on lv grinding and overpowered equipment, while Wrpgs relly on balancing stats and skill trees. WRpgs are mostly always mediaval while JRpgs are mostly anime fantasy, but of course there are games of both genre that don't follow the same formula.

Jrpgs may have better characters and personalities in their games but the backstory is almost the same, kill evil lookind doods with crazy hair and eccentric personality to save the kigdom or planet from evil. It's always too extreme, good guy are overly angelic while bad guys are in the opposite extreme lol.

Overall though I enjoy both types of games a lot. I'm always looking for the next good rpg, I don't get caught up in this silly sw arguement of pitting a game against another.

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[QUOTE="medicine_freak"]

I feel that WRPGs have better stories mainly due to the enormous variety in the settings, the deeper backgrounds, and the fact that you can actually drive them. Most JRPGs are role imitation games, not role playing games, and the stories are carbon copies regardless of the actions you do in game. Where else would you play an immortal protagonist with complete memory loss living in a hellish plane investigating his own past? Certainly not in a JRPG.

smerlus

Take out "hellish plane" and "immortal" and you've got a JRPG.

The ability to drive the plot doesn't make it better. Choose your own adventure novels aren't more viable than novels without that ... novelty.

Okay. So, why is the story so good? Why do the immortal and hellish contribute to the amnesia so much?

Last gen i would say JRPGs. But this gen im gonna have to say WRPGs.

I think both are pretty neutral overall. WRpgs have a lot of lore to them but too bad the characters are soo bland and boring to make anything matter, shame. The are really no good character growth and development in wrpgs which is a challage that needs totackled. Both tuype of rpgs suffer from recycled gameplay from superior games of the past. JRpgs relly on lv grinding and overpowered equipment, while Wrpgs relly on balancing stats and skill trees. WRpgs are mostly always mediaval while JRpgs are mostly anime fantasy, but of course there are games of both genre that don't follow the same formula.

Jrpgs may have better characters and personalities in their games but the backstory is almost the same, kill evil lookind doods with crazy hair and eccentric personality to save the kigdom or planet from evil. It's always too extreme, good guy are overly angelic while bad guys are in the opposite extreme lol.

Overall though I enjoy both types of games a lot. I'm always looking for the next good rpg, I don't get caught up in this silly sw arguement of pitting a game against another.

edo-tensei

JRPGs and Final Fantasy games always get scoffed at for their "save the world" plots. But the thing is, they wouldn't work without them. FFXII didn't have a save the world plot and it made the journey seem meager in comparison with past Final Fantasy games ... and it struggled for direction. The thing about save the world plots is that they're all pretty different and varied so they work. As long as they don't use the same one over and over and over again it works.

WRPG's by far.

Both are great but I play JRPGs more.

i personaly think the story is whats most important in RPG's and not makeing your own character so im going with JRPG

but it really depends on the game

I prefer JRPG's, but I like WRPG's a lot too.

[QUOTE="medicine_freak"]

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

I mean that's cool, it's just I'm noticing a reoccuring theme in this thread of people say "_RPG is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than _RPG" without at least explaining why the feel that way.

hakanakumono

I feel that WRPGs have better stories mainly due to the enormous variety in the settings, the deeper backgrounds, and the fact that you can actually drive them. Most JRPGs are role imitation games, not role playing games, and the stories are carbon copies regardless of the actions you do in game. Where else would you play an immortal protagonist with complete memory loss living in a hellish plane investigating his own past? Certainly not in a JRPG.

Take out "hellish plane" and "immortal" and you've got a JRPG.

The ability to drive the plot doesn't make it better. Choose your own adventure novels aren't more viable than novels without that ... novelty.

Nope you don't. The difference is not only is he investigating his past, but he is also writing it based on my actions. It is true that "just because" I can make my story, it does not necessarily make the story better. However, in this case, the story IS better, regardless of how you create it. That's the beuty of a well made WRPG, a good story, that you could make. The best JRPGs could ever achieve, is a good story...

wrpg for gameplay jrpg for story

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="medicine_freak"] [QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="medicine_freak"]Oh and one more thing, for those that think JRPGs have better stories, I really beg to differ. WRPGs, especially the oldies, have stories that are head and shoulders above the JRPGs. smerlus

there are more than those games that give me a reason to prefer the JPRGs to WPRGs but they are good examples for why I do.

The JRPG Genre has gotten stail over the years. little to no innovation. And they tend to be GrindFests. Its all about the WRPG

JRPGs. Memorable story line,memorable characters, more inovative gameplay and combat tends to be more entertaining in JRPGs. I had more fun fighting enemies in Tales of Symphonia, Crisis Core, Kingdom Hearts and Tales of Legendia than I did in Morrowind, Oblivion andWorld of Warcraft.

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"] I do not agree with you at all.iowastate

there are more than those games that give me a reason to prefer the JPRGs to WPRGs but they are good examples for why I do.

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Take out "hellish plane" and "immortal" and you've got a JRPG.

The ability to drive the plot doesn't make it better. Choose your own adventure novels aren't more viable than novels without that ... novelty.

Okay. So, why is the story so good? Why do the immortal and hellish contribute to the amnesia so much?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="smerlus"] but you leave in immortal and hellish and you have a game that uses the amnesia plot and does it better than any other game out there and still offers the player freedom of choice even as to change character class mid game depending on which of the immortal's histories the player wants the character to recall. There is a reason why Planescape is considered by many to be one of the best stories in gamingsmerlus

Okay. So, why is the story so good? Why do the immortal and hellish contribute to the amnesia so much?

WRPG. I prefer a more actiony style compared to what more JRPG's offer. Which generally seem to be random battles and turnbased combat.

Oh, and the Godfather is an overrated movie.

JRPGs of course, just release them on the PS3 and things will change.

I prefer WRPG's normally but I like some JRPG's like FF and Lost Odyssey.