Iwata: Nintendo's future will be determined this holiday

Yugh.. Terrible move. That does sound like a Nintendo move

Wii Party U and Wii Fit U they will save the WiiU........??lol

RIP WiiU.

@g0ddyX said:

A sinking ship.

So much for the Wii:U hype a year ago.

I think that was from two years ago, but yeah, things quickly took a turn for the worse.

Again, Atari and Sega are similar in that they were the victims of corporate takeovers. Because they had no money. Nintendo has $11 billion in the bank.

The other audiences will ignore Nintendo's offerings? You have absolutely no proof. Most of Nintendo's core audience will continue to buy Nintendo games no matter what system the games appeared on (because, guess what? Nintendo's games are system movers. This means people don't care what system they play the games on, they just want to play the games). Lapsed Nintendo gamers might even begin to look into checking some Nintendo games out in that scenario (people who can't be arsed to pay $300 to play the new Mario and Zelda would definitely look into it if it was available on a system they already own). People who haven't played Nintendo games ever would be more inclined to check said games out.

Nintendo going third party is a pipedream, but it would not spell any sort of disaster or irrelevance for the company. That assertion makes absolutely no sense.

Because Nintendo would WANT to release games on a console by a business they shafted so many years ago, right? Hiroshi Yamauchi blew Sony off for a reason, like it or not and Nintendo is likely going to keep it that way.

I know its the media (and partially an American thing) but people are over-exaggerating way too much. There have been companies in far worse positions. Remember the Playstation 3? It had horrific sales and even less games than what the Wii-U had. Don't even get me started about the commercials.

Like my earlier comment, Nintendo won't change anything. They are going to push for 2014 games, the wii-u will catch on a bit more and everyone moves on. Its clear that there's a hunger for a new games for the system. Every new release injects some sort of excitement, however I think November and December will be the months that give momentum to the Wii-U it badly needed.

I think its very strange however how flawless Nintendo rolled out the 3DS's recover but can't seem to do the same for the WIi-U. I would challenge what they have said about development times of games.

@charizard1605: I love how sheep blame software and software only for the wii eww's failure but not it's garbage hardware.

3DS's days are numbered too, Char. Making the 2DS is proof that they realized 3d was a gimmick. Iwata should commit sudoku already.

I think Nintendo will perform modestly. Not awful, not great, but it'll be enough to not completely abandon the platform.

I believe Nintendo will inevitably look to expand their mobile division and contract their living room presence (they should look to develop a PC client ala Steam/Origin and sell their titles through that on Windows/SteamOS).

@g0ddyX said:

A sinking ship.

So much for the Wii:U hype a year ago.

What Wii U hype? There was never any Wii U hype from the moment it was revealed at E3 two and a half years ago.

Not a terrible move, a genius move. They get to keep their hardware/software exclusivity, keep two revenue streams open, and their budget for game development automatically plunges.

Yes, because

• Times change
• Nintendo's 'blowing off Sony' was based on a profit sharing dispute that would no longer apply
• Nintendo, if they were to go third party for consoles, would go to the highest selling console, if not all of them. Xbox, PlayStation, whatever.

Again, Nintendo games on PlayStation or Xbox are a pipedream, but not because of the reasons you keep stating, because if they were to go third party, it would be due to investor pressure, and guess what, investors would make them go iOS and Android.

@mexicangordo: The PS3 was different because it was actually powerful and could run most 3rd party titles

That doesn't mean he is wrong, PS3 is easily the system for niche Japanese games.

The 3DS had backing from the rest of the industry. The Wii U doesn't.

The PlayStation 3 was never in such a bad position. The only other system that was in such a bad place was Saturn. Guess where Saturn ended up.

The **** is this shit?

3DS is accelerating. It just got its biggest game. It just got the hardware revision that will most likely push its sales into the mainstream.

And that last comment, though hilariously mistyped, is way out of line.

A game system is about its games and games only. Hardware has **** all to do with anything. If you weren't a twat, you'd understand.

If they were to make a client for PC, I would assume only their older games would be released there, while their newest games remained exclusive to their handheld.

Nintendo should go third party. Theyve sucked at making consoles since N64. Gamecube would've been great if they focused more on online play. They're good at charm and bad at everything else.

Gamecube was great; super powerful, cheap and efficient design with a wonderful controller, connectivity to handhelds, and as much hardware infrastructure for online games as the PS2. You don't know what you are talking about.

Sure about that? Several polls would take Skyrim over Mario (and this is with them still having hardware). Here's one of them. Can't imagine Ninty's franchises lasting long as multiplats. Might as well kill Mario and the gang and make new IP's for those consoles or just leave gaming (maybe the industry will be better off then).

The typo is intentional. Gamers have been clamoring for a second analog stick, the revision took damn functionality away and looks ugly as sin. Making a 3d-less sku shows a lack of confidence and lack of vision in, albeit a gimmick, their features. Tell, what's after pokemon? A watered down Mario Kart port?

So Skyrim won over Mario on one poll on one website... and this is proof that Nintendo's IPs wouldn't sell on other consoles?

I'm done here.

Once again, you forget that software trumps over hardware.

What's next after Pokemon? Zelda, Kirby, Yoshi, Bravely Default, Professor Layton, Ace Attorney, Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Super Smash Bros. Not to mention unannounced franchises like Metroid.

Taking the 3D away shows that they want the damn thing to sell to little kids, so they take away a feature that adds to the cost needlessly, and also has bad press associated with it.

Not adding the second analog stick shows that they don't want to fragment the install base (and the second analog stick is not needed for most 3DS games anyway; those that need it support the peripheral).

'Watered down Mario Part port?' 3DS got Mario Kart 7, a mainline entry in the series that was better than the recent console entry. You know why? Because Nintendo does not treat its handhelds as second class citizens.

You are one of those who hype the WiiU......lolol

WiiUwiiuwiiuwiiuwiiu......remember?? Also the WiiU is already a dead console.UK retailers sent back 20,000 of the things back to Nintendo........If that is not the definition of a dead system then I don't know what is.

The 3DS was in a similar position some years ago. Nintendo just needs to start kicking in great games and stop leaving the Wii U as a barren wasteland. The 3DS is now a great hit and a great console to own, the same can happen with the Wii U if there was actually support for the system. Nintendo has made some BIG but obvious mistakes with the Wii U. Firstly, why did they call it Wii U when the 3DS just had the same problem with identity? Did they learn anything? Secondly, they must have heard all the hardships that came with HD gaming, so why is it they didn't capitalize on what people have learned already, instead of making their devs go through the same hurdles everyone else already went through? They are having such a hard time releasing games, apparently, but that problem could have been easily fixed if they just brought in more experienced people.

What bugs me is Iwata considered Wii Party U to be one of those games that will push the Wii U this holiday...

Or how about looking at the top sellers of each consoles and look at their demographics? Most PS/XBOX games (as much as I hate to make this separation) that sold the most are for an older audience while Nintendo's games, while marketed and made for "Everyone", are considered "kiddy".

Wii Party U..............lol

If you know where to look (and aren't afraid of tinkering), you already can get the majority of Nintendo's backlog on PC. But I hope they do head toward being a software company for their large budget titles. I think they have a future in handhelds if they wise up and start figuring out a way to synergize the 3DS with smartphones OSs, but knowing Nintendo, they won't.

I hyped the Wii U? I didn't hype it, I covered its news, genius. If I was hyped for it, I would have had one already.

And this disproves my point? This proves that Nintendo IPs would sell like shit on other systems?

Just for reference's sake, let me copy/paste my argument here:

The other audiences will ignore Nintendo's offerings? You have absolutely no proof. Most of Nintendo's core audience will continue to buy Nintendo games no matter what system the games appeared on (because, guess what? Nintendo's games are system movers. This means people don't care what system they play the games on, they just want to play the games). Lapsed Nintendo gamers might even begin to look into checking some Nintendo games out in that scenario (people who can't be arsed to pay $300 to play the new Mario and Zelda would definitely look into it if it was available on a system they already own). People who haven't played Nintendo games ever would be more inclined to check said games out.

Now if you want to continue this discussion, come up real arguments that counter a logical line of thinking, not strawmen.

Because Yamauchi is still runs Nintendo right? And Ken Kutaragi is still in charge of play station right? And it's not like companies can ever make amends right? It's not like Apple and Samsung do business together whilst suing each other right? RIGHT nintendo boy? You must be a CEO of a large corporation yourself with all of your fantastic knowledge.

@charizard1605 said:

@g0ddyX said:

A sinking ship.

So much for the Wii:U hype a year ago.

What Wii U hype? There was never any Wii U hype from the moment it was revealed at E3 two and a half years ago.

You were the centre of it all here on System Wars. Talk about backfire.
It was there the moment it was released and was a dismal failure.

The annoucement of the superior X1 and PS4 was pretty much the finishing blow of the Wii:U

Nintendo makers can admit to the Wii:U suffering, you cant.

They've actually already started on that path; Miiverse and eShop are both coming to iOS and Android, with a Pokemon Global Link app coming to iOS and Android as well.

I think handheld/mobile synergy would be a great route for them to take.

And yes, I know about Nintendo's back catalog on PC. I meant a legal method.

So Iwata is depending Wii U's faith on 3D World, Wii Fit U, and Wii Part U for the holiday? We'll see how this turns out.

I was making threads for the Wii U, yes. There was no hype, genius.

The Wii U sticky was a bust. There was no excitement about it. No one cared.

Nintendo makers can care to the Wii U's failure, but I can't? Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. Go through my posting history. Or you know what, I'll make it easier for you. Read my posts in this thread.

The only Nintendo console I will buy is a Nintendo handheld console.

Your ignorance and ass pulling is hilarious. Atari had $5_ billion and going until Tramil focused to much money on the Jaguar and then CUT OFF the handheld, 2600/7800, and computers to FOCUS on it. They lost that in 4 years. Wii U is more expensive and harder to manage. $11 billion means nothing in an era where a million dollars means crap anymore.

At least you are as dumb as the SEGA fans that think Nintendo will die going third-party in .5 seconds.

"WiiuuuWiiiuuuWiiiuuuuWiiiuuu" - Sounds of an ambulance to take the Wii:U away

"Mr. Iwata didn't elaborate further on options, although he said that he still didn't think a major strategic overhaul was needed."
God that man is an idiot.
Go 3rd party Nintendo. You would get more software sales anyways.

Lol, I only said "if you know where to look," you insinuated it was illegal :P

Get Iwata out of there. Rehaul the management. We need the old Nintendo back, and by that I mean a Nintendo that takes a few risks with actual game design.

He may not be running the company anymore, but there is no way, especially after an event that more or less scarred Nintendo after making that decision and an event that still haunts them to this day, that Nintendo would EVER want to work with Sony again.

No in SW if you report news, you hype that system in the news because that's how SW works. It's why I have been posting less news than usual.

You can't.. hence the term blind sheep.
The hardware is a joke on Nintendos part, but it works for those that blind and heavily dedicated to it... even if it was a shiny turd.

Links. You have no links. Just numbers that you are pulling out of your ass again. Per usual.

• Atari lost $500 million in the great video game crash of 1983
• Tramiel purchased Atari for $240 million
• Atari gained some money in holdings in the mid 1990s after a series of lawsuits
• The failure of Jaguar and Lynx meant that when Hasbro and Infrogames purchased Atari, they purchased it for $5 million

The maximum valuation of Atari once it went third party was $5 million. The maximum valuation it ever had was the $110 million Warner Bros bought it for (Tramiel's $240 million being promissory, non hard stock).

Come back with facts again. Kthnxbai

They better announce some more first party games so people will buy their console.

Hey, look at Wii. Look at 3DS. Look at DS. Look at Gameboy/Color.

Now go away.

Well at the very best it's a grey area :p

Do you... understand companies run businesses on pragmatic, hard money concern, and not bullshit idealistic dispute-grudges held over two decades?

Don't, don't start with that.

Nintendo takes plenty of risks with game design, you just happen to not like them.

Examples: Super Mario Galaxy, Wii Sports, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Kid Icarus: Uprising, Fire Emblem: Awakening.

Well, if the statement of "Nintendo not adapting to the times" is true.

@mexicangordo: Playstation 3 was ahead of Wii U sales at this point in time, though, even with Sony's horrible first year.

5.63 million shipments vs. the Wii U's 3.91. And it's worth noting the console was $500/$600 at the time.

The Wii U is also selling notably slower than the Gamecube (6.68 million) had at this respective point in time.

The 3DS, despite all the slack it got regarding low sales, sold 15.03 million consoles in its first 10 months on the market.

Sad to say, systems that sell as little as the Wii U's has don't usually go on to flourish. The excitement simply isn't there. Even some compelling software may not be enough to make the difference with the PS4 and Xbox One on the horizon.

What?

You're back!

@charizard1605: lol @ comparing the fad wii, and handhelds to the wii eww. The wii eww is more of a traditional console....a last gen one at that.

Lol at ignoring everything that disproves your facile argument (if one can even call it that)