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#1 CJ_ofCamelot
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Sony developers work hard to bring exclusive gaming as far as they can reach. Sony also provides support for what they believe is a solid gaming experience for the consumer. I want to be sure, and figure out if this sort of thing is common practice to begin what you declare to be the future of gaming. A game, in which the second part was shared, being funded by Microsoft.


A number of different issues arise from this.


First thing that comes to mind is:

If this is truly funding, then why not fund in house development, such as Rare? This leads me to think this is all short term.

Is rare even there?


Second thing that comes to mind:

Why dead rising? And if so, why wasn't this secured earlier? Seems to me like something is going on.


The trailer looked good, and seems like it dropped just in time. But why so close to GTA5?

This is something on the side.


In conclusion, this game should deliver. Recalling the developer interview at E3 on GS, it sounded fit. Also, how many open world games have capcom developed in the past? Hopefully it brings something fresh to the table.

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wut?

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huh?
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see, the thing is...

wut?

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I'm gonna guess he's asking if M$ moneyhatting Crapcom into making Dead Rising 3 exclusive to the Xbox One is the same as Sony working hard with their own talent to actually create games. Well obviously it's not if that's what he's asking. And yeah, it's sad they always do that and it's doubtful the companies in question make more from these deals than they would had they just released on all systems. But at least MS is trying for the time being to get a stronger 1st party. Whether or not any of these new studios produce anything great or whether they will continue using them more than 3 years into this gen is yet to be seen.
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well it is because MS make a grave miscalculation on xbox one. they thought console consumer will readily bite the bait of TV functionality, fancy spy cam and NFL support. it didnt happen it flopped. so with their abundant money they salvage xbone failure at the moment notice by moneyhatting third party developers. the same way they escape selling defective substandard 360. if youre observing MS business practice, you'll see that they support idea that cooked up a grand money milking scheme rather than ideas that will increase their products quality. it is evident in their products. the same recycled HaloGoWForza crap, their plan to expand xbone as an advertisement medium, window users forced to upgrade by denying previous versions any support.
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I'm gonna guess he's asking if M$ moneyhatting Crapcom into making Dead Rising 3 exclusive to the Xbox One is the same as Sony working hard with their own talent to actually create games. handssss

I don't see how this is unique to MS. Contracting other dev houses to make an exclusive for your console. Sony does it too, demon's souls for example or Nintendo with Bayonetta.

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xbox and dead rising are pretty close, Dead Rising 1 was an exclusive and then there was Case Zero and West being exclusive as well. It's a simple decision they know its a franchise that will sell units to some customers and it's a game with a wide appeal considering the zombie craze and built a well established fan base already over this gen. [QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]well it is because MS make a grave miscalculation on xbox one. they thought console consumer will readily bite the bait of TV functionality, fancy spy cam and NFL support. it didnt happen it flopped. so with their abundant money they salvage xbone failure at the moment notice by moneyhatting third party developers. the same way they escape selling defective substandard 360. if youre observing MS business practice, you'll see that they support idea that cooked up a grand money milking scheme rather than ideas that will increase their products quality. it is evident in their products. the same recycled HaloGoWForza crap, their plan to expand xbone as an advertisement medium, window users forced to upgrade by denying previous versions any support.

That last paragraph is derp central, they have a pretty standard buisness model and its no different from Sony,Nintendo or anyone else, and MS brought some good games to the table last gen despite being overshadowed by other games on the market but the same can easily be said for some Sony franchises or even nintendo.SO just stop being immensely silly and engage the brain before typing a lot of idiotic garbage.
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wut?

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This ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Here's some good advice for the TC. STOP MAKING THREADS.
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Firstly, Dead Rising is a series that was born on Xbox. DR1 and Case Zero never went to playstation, so why people are so dumbfounded that DR3 is exclusive is beyond me.

Secondly, not only are MS funding but they're helping with development as well. So while yes it is being developed by Capcom vancouver, theres Microsoft talent there helping who are more familar with the XOne hardware.

Thirdly, "Sony also provides support for what they believe is a solid gaming experience for the consumer". Do you mean games like ... Knack? :lol:

Fourthly, its time to stop begging for DR3 cows, its beyond desperate now

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dafuq did i read

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I didn't read anything but the Dead Riding 3 in the title but I'm late to the party and saw the recent trailer just now and wow. The XO has another system seller!
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]xbox and dead rising are pretty close, Dead Rising 1 was an exclusive and then there was Case Zero and West being exclusive as well. It's a simple decision they know its a franchise that will sell units to some customers and it's a game with a wide appeal considering the zombie craze and built a well established fan base already over this gen. [QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]well it is because MS make a grave miscalculation on xbox one. they thought console consumer will readily bite the bait of TV functionality, fancy spy cam and NFL support. it didnt happen it flopped. so with their abundant money they salvage xbone failure at the moment notice by moneyhatting third party developers. the same way they escape selling defective substandard 360. if youre observing MS business practice, you'll see that they support idea that cooked up a grand money milking scheme rather than ideas that will increase their products quality. it is evident in their products. the same recycled HaloGoWForza crap, their plan to expand xbone as an advertisement medium, window users forced to upgrade by denying previous versions any support.

That last paragraph is derp central, they have a pretty standard buisness model and its no different from Sony,Nintendo or anyone else, and MS brought some good games to the table last gen despite being overshadowed by other games on the market but the same can easily be said for some Sony franchises or even nintendo.SO just stop being immensely silly and engage the brain before typing a lot of idiotic garbage.

nah MS is trying to drive the console market into something that heavily dependent to their corporate infrastructure. Games are trivial in MS strategy thats why they keep on supplying you with the same "hit" garbage year after year after year, why because it minimize risks while maximizing the profit. notice that much of these games content are locked on paid subscription. the games are just a front for you to connect and subscribe to their paywall because without it your just playing less than 50% of the content. in xbone, MS tries to level up the pace by requiring mandatory connection. that will guarantee their control over your gaming, guarantee their ads spam will reach you, guarantee that they can data mine using their spycam. whats crazy is that xbots like you are willing to their pay MS (in live subscription) to be their marketing agents, willing to pay rental fees for games you already bought, willing to pay to be MS sampling population guinea pigs.
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I think Dead Rising 3 should be good as well?

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]xbox and dead rising are pretty close, Dead Rising 1 was an exclusive and then there was Case Zero and West being exclusive as well. It's a simple decision they know its a franchise that will sell units to some customers and it's a game with a wide appeal considering the zombie craze and built a well established fan base already over this gen. [QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]well it is because MS make a grave miscalculation on xbox one. they thought console consumer will readily bite the bait of TV functionality, fancy spy cam and NFL support. it didnt happen it flopped. so with their abundant money they salvage xbone failure at the moment notice by moneyhatting third party developers. the same way they escape selling defective substandard 360. if youre observing MS business practice, you'll see that they support idea that cooked up a grand money milking scheme rather than ideas that will increase their products quality. it is evident in their products. the same recycled HaloGoWForza crap, their plan to expand xbone as an advertisement medium, window users forced to upgrade by denying previous versions any support.

That last paragraph is derp central, they have a pretty standard buisness model and its no different from Sony,Nintendo or anyone else, and MS brought some good games to the table last gen despite being overshadowed by other games on the market but the same can easily be said for some Sony franchises or even nintendo.SO just stop being immensely silly and engage the brain before typing a lot of idiotic garbage.

nah MS is trying to drive the console market into something that heavily dependent to their corporate infrastructure. Games are trivial in MS strategy thats why they keep on supplying you with the same "hit" garbage year after year after year, why because it minimize risks while maximizing the profit. notice that much of these games content are locked on paid subscription. the games are just a front for you to connect and subscribe to their paywall because without it your just playing less than 50% of the content. in xbone, MS tries to level up the pace by requiring mandatory connection. that will guarantee their control over your gaming, guarantee their ads spam will reach you, guarantee that they can data mine using their spycam. whats crazy is that xbots like you are willing to their pay MS (in live subscription) to be their marketing agents, willing to pay rental fees for games you already bought, willing to pay to be MS sampling population guinea pigs.

oh wow calling me an xbot yet failing to take on board what i've said. Here let me break it down your nothing more than a silly man child with no rational logic, moaning about live fees yet PSN is introducing a similar fee to the PS4, ads are a revenue stream get used to it and Nintendo,EA,Acti,Sony hell every major pub or console company rely on core franchises to sell consoles moaning bout bi-yearly games on xbox yet nary a thought to Uncharted doing the same for example. Theres just a lot of hypocrisy on this board anyone questions it and they are instantly a lemming,xbot etc. If they have a solid buisness plan thats working they will continue with it much to your dismay this is why people like yourself will never get into the buisness sector you never seem to think of the wider picture but only your own.Consoles are evolving and MS and Sony are and will be touting multimedia capabilities as a key selling point, not to mention sony last gen that the PS3 was essentially core in blu-ray becoming the standard HD optical disk format. Theres so much derp in your past 2 posts is shockingly unbelievable yet hillarious.
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Couldn't read is more like it.  I figured the topic title might make sense after glancing over the OP, but nope.

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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"] That last paragraph is derp central, they have a pretty standard buisness model and its no different from Sony,Nintendo or anyone else, and MS brought some good games to the table last gen despite being overshadowed by other games on the market but the same can easily be said for some Sony franchises or even nintendo.SO just stop being immensely silly and engage the brain before typing a lot of idiotic garbage.

nah MS is trying to drive the console market into something that heavily dependent to their corporate infrastructure. Games are trivial in MS strategy thats why they keep on supplying you with the same "hit" garbage year after year after year, why because it minimize risks while maximizing the profit. notice that much of these games content are locked on paid subscription. the games are just a front for you to connect and subscribe to their paywall because without it your just playing less than 50% of the content. in xbone, MS tries to level up the pace by requiring mandatory connection. that will guarantee their control over your gaming, guarantee their ads spam will reach you, guarantee that they can data mine using their spycam. whats crazy is that xbots like you are willing to their pay MS (in live subscription) to be their marketing agents, willing to pay rental fees for games you already bought, willing to pay to be MS sampling population guinea pigs.

oh wow calling me an xbot yet failing to take on board what i've said. Here let me break it down your nothing more than a silly man child with no rational logic, moaning about live fees yet PSN is introducing a similar fee to the PS4, ads are a revenue stream get used to it and Nintendo,EA,Acti,Sony hell every major pub or console company rely on core franchises to sell consoles moaning bout bi-yearly games on xbox yet nary a thought to Uncharted doing the same for example. Theres just a lot of hypocrisy on this board anyone questions it and they are instantly a lemming,xbot etc. If they have a solid buisness plan thats working they will continue with it much to your dismay this is why people like yourself will never get into the buisness sector you never seem to think of the wider picture but only your own.Consoles are evolving and MS and Sony are and will be touting multimedia capabilities as a key selling point, not to mention sony last gen that the PS3 was essentially core in blu-ray becoming the standard HD optical disk format. Theres so much derp in your past 2 posts is shockingly unbelievable yet hillarious.

who cares about PSN, the thread talks about MS business methodology. the fact is MS started this pay-to-play-your-already-bought-game bs in console which sony follows, and now they trying a new rip off scheme in xbone by making the entire game a rental with resale value equal to zero, and no definite guaranteed support. people who are too dumb to support these or past it up as a freaking SOLID BUSINESS MODEL is helping these greedy companies in establishing their anti consumer policies. yeap it will work alright because there are lots of people like who like being screwed in the a$$
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TC sounds like a butthurt Sony fan that wishes the game was multiplat.
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TC sounds like a butthurt Sony fan that wishes the game was multiplat.CanYouDiglt

TC sounds like a freaking imbecile who can't form a complete sentence. 

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who cares about PSN, the thread talks about MS business methodology. the fact is MS started this pay-to-play-your-already-bought-game bs in console which sony follows, and now they trying a new rip off scheme in xbone by making the entire game a rental with resale value equal to zero, and no definite guaranteed support. people who are too dumb to support these or past it up as a freaking SOLID BUSINESS MODEL is helping these greedy companies in establishing their anti consumer policies. yeap it will work alright because there are lots of people like who like being screwed in the a$$strawhatlupi

Hey there new cow on the block, what is this supposed to mean, could you translate it?. Or are you somehow stuck in the past before MS did a 180 on the DRM strategy?.

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] nah MS is trying to drive the console market into something that heavily dependent to their corporate infrastructure. Games are trivial in MS strategy thats why they keep on supplying you with the same "hit" garbage year after year after year, why because it minimize risks while maximizing the profit. notice that much of these games content are locked on paid subscription. the games are just a front for you to connect and subscribe to their paywall because without it your just playing less than 50% of the content. in xbone, MS tries to level up the pace by requiring mandatory connection. that will guarantee their control over your gaming, guarantee their ads spam will reach you, guarantee that they can data mine using their spycam. whats crazy is that xbots like you are willing to their pay MS (in live subscription) to be their marketing agents, willing to pay rental fees for games you already bought, willing to pay to be MS sampling population guinea pigs.

oh wow calling me an xbot yet failing to take on board what i've said. Here let me break it down your nothing more than a silly man child with no rational logic, moaning about live fees yet PSN is introducing a similar fee to the PS4, ads are a revenue stream get used to it and Nintendo,EA,Acti,Sony hell every major pub or console company rely on core franchises to sell consoles moaning bout bi-yearly games on xbox yet nary a thought to Uncharted doing the same for example. Theres just a lot of hypocrisy on this board anyone questions it and they are instantly a lemming,xbot etc. If they have a solid buisness plan thats working they will continue with it much to your dismay this is why people like yourself will never get into the buisness sector you never seem to think of the wider picture but only your own.Consoles are evolving and MS and Sony are and will be touting multimedia capabilities as a key selling point, not to mention sony last gen that the PS3 was essentially core in blu-ray becoming the standard HD optical disk format. Theres so much derp in your past 2 posts is shockingly unbelievable yet hillarious.

who cares about PSN, the thread talks about MS business methodology. the fact is MS started this pay-to-play-your-already-bought-game bs in console which sony follows, and now they trying a new rip off scheme in xbone by making the entire game a rental with resale value equal to zero, and no definite guaranteed support. people who are too dumb to support these or past it up as a freaking SOLID BUSINESS MODEL is helping these greedy companies in establishing their anti consumer policies. yeap it will work alright because there are lots of people like who like being screwed in the a$$

you living in a timewarp circa 3 months ago the DRM restrictions were pretty much dropped.....
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It seems to me that Sony does the same thing that is pay for 3rd party exclusivity.

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]who cares about PSN, the thread talks about MS business methodology. the fact is MS started this pay-to-play-your-already-bought-game bs in console which sony follows, and now they trying a new rip off scheme in xbone by making the entire game a rental with resale value equal to zero, and no definite guaranteed support. people who are too dumb to support these or past it up as a freaking SOLID BUSINESS MODEL is helping these greedy companies in establishing their anti consumer policies. yeap it will work alright because there are lots of people like who like being screwed in the a$$Snugenz

Hey there new cow on the block, what is this supposed to mean, could you translate it?. Or are you somehow stuck in the past before MS did a 180 on the DRM strategy?.

stuck in past? no... i know how xbox 1 become xbox 180. im stating that in general, MS business strategy is more focused on conceiving a more efficient money-milking scheme rather than focusing on improving their product's quality. these are evident in the way they remake "hit" games over and over again because it has little risks instead of supporting non mainstream genre. The fact that they also plan to hijack gamers game ownership in xbox one with their DRM and mandatory subscription (though it back fires miserably), the fact that they force their non essential spy cam which is tied with their ad programs Nuads on their consumers. MS is more concern on devising devious ways on jow to extract every nickel and dime from their consumers. thats the focus of their business.
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]who cares about PSN, the thread talks about MS business methodology. the fact is MS started this pay-to-play-your-already-bought-game bs in console which sony follows, and now they trying a new rip off scheme in xbone by making the entire game a rental with resale value equal to zero, and no definite guaranteed support. people who are too dumb to support these or past it up as a freaking SOLID BUSINESS MODEL is helping these greedy companies in establishing their anti consumer policies. yeap it will work alright because there are lots of people like who like being screwed in the a$$strawhatlupi

Hey there new cow on the block, what is this supposed to mean, could you translate it?. Or are you somehow stuck in the past before MS did a 180 on the DRM strategy?.

stuck in past? no... i know how xbox 1 become xbox 180. im stating that in general, MS business strategy is more focused on conceiving a more efficient money-milking scheme rather than focusing on improving their product's quality. these are evident in the way they remake "hit" games over and over again because it has little risks instead of supporting non mainstream genre. The fact that they also plan to hijack gamers game ownership in xbox one with their DRM and mandatory subscription (though it back fires miserably), the fact that they force their non essential spy cam which is tied with their ad programs Nuads on their consumers. MS is more concern on devising devious ways on jow to extract every nickel and dime from their consumers. thats the focus of their business.

No different to Sony, in other words you have no arguement besides, "MS want to make money and they're looking for better ways to do so", no fvcking way!!!.

Your tinfoil hat is showing with the last few sentences aswell, alot of moo and paranoia.

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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"] oh wow calling me an xbot yet failing to take on board what i've said. Here let me break it down your nothing more than a silly man child with no rational logic, moaning about live fees yet PSN is introducing a similar fee to the PS4, ads are a revenue stream get used to it and Nintendo,EA,Acti,Sony hell every major pub or console company rely on core franchises to sell consoles moaning bout bi-yearly games on xbox yet nary a thought to Uncharted doing the same for example. Theres just a lot of hypocrisy on this board anyone questions it and they are instantly a lemming,xbot etc. If they have a solid buisness plan thats working they will continue with it much to your dismay this is why people like yourself will never get into the buisness sector you never seem to think of the wider picture but only your own.Consoles are evolving and MS and Sony are and will be touting multimedia capabilities as a key selling point, not to mention sony last gen that the PS3 was essentially core in blu-ray becoming the standard HD optical disk format. Theres so much derp in your past 2 posts is shockingly unbelievable yet hillarious.

who cares about PSN, the thread talks about MS business methodology. the fact is MS started this pay-to-play-your-already-bought-game bs in console which sony follows, and now they trying a new rip off scheme in xbone by making the entire game a rental with resale value equal to zero, and no definite guaranteed support. people who are too dumb to support these or past it up as a freaking SOLID BUSINESS MODEL is helping these greedy companies in establishing their anti consumer policies. yeap it will work alright because there are lots of people like who like being screwed in the a$$

you living in a timewarp circa 3 months ago the DRM restrictions were pretty much dropped.....

yeap i know, it backed fires on MS hence the 180 . but the fact is, it is part of their core business plan in the first place. a plan that doesnt benefits consumer neither improve their products quality. a plan that will only guarantee their control over their consumer and to make more cash. pretty much they invest on these schemes long before they announce it. thats is what im saying. MS business model focuses on scheme that will generate more profit while offering very little for their consumers.
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yeap i know, it backed fires on MS hence the 180 . but the fact is, it is part of their core business plan in the first place. a plan that doesnt benefits consumer neither improve their products quality. a plan that will only guarantee their control over their consumer and to make more cash. pretty much they invest on these schemes long before they announce it. thats is what im saying. MS business model focuses on scheme that will generate more profit while offering very little for their consumers.strawhatlupi

There used to be another crazy cow that always spelled "yep" "yeap", did your other account get banned?.

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] who cares about PSN, the thread talks about MS business methodology. the fact is MS started this pay-to-play-your-already-bought-game bs in console which sony follows, and now they trying a new rip off scheme in xbone by making the entire game a rental with resale value equal to zero, and no definite guaranteed support. people who are too dumb to support these or past it up as a freaking SOLID BUSINESS MODEL is helping these greedy companies in establishing their anti consumer policies. yeap it will work alright because there are lots of people like who like being screwed in the a$$

you living in a timewarp circa 3 months ago the DRM restrictions were pretty much dropped.....

yeap i know, it backed fires on MS hence the 180 . but the fact is, it is part of their core business plan in the first place. a plan that doesnt benefits consumer neither improve their products quality. a plan that will only guarantee their control over their consumer and to make more cash. pretty much they invest on these schemes long before they announce it. thats is what im saying. MS business model focuses on scheme that will generate more profit while offering very little for their consumers.

offering little for consumers, is that why they are giving consumers what they want inb4 b-b-b-b-ut they keep releasing the same 3 games and ripping people off, stop being hypocritical all buisness's do this if theres demand for the product you meet that demand and thats the end of it, sure it'll upset a minority like yourself but they dont care they make money thats why they are in this when it stops becoming a profitable endevour they will stop and move on to the next thing simple rule of thumb.
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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Hey there new cow on the block, what is this supposed to mean, could you translate it?. Or are you somehow stuck in the past before MS did a 180 on the DRM strategy?.

Snugenz

stuck in past? no... i know how xbox 1 become xbox 180. im stating that in general, MS business strategy is more focused on conceiving a more efficient money-milking scheme rather than focusing on improving their product's quality. these are evident in the way they remake "hit" games over and over again because it has little risks instead of supporting non mainstream genre. The fact that they also plan to hijack gamers game ownership in xbox one with their DRM and mandatory subscription (though it back fires miserably), the fact that they force their non essential spy cam which is tied with their ad programs Nuads on their consumers. MS is more concern on devising devious ways on jow to extract every nickel and dime from their consumers. thats the focus of their business.

No different to Sony, in other words you have no arguement besides, "MS want to make money and they're looking for better ways to do so", no fvcking way!!!.

Your tinfoil hat is showing with the last few sentences aswell, alot of moo and paranoia.

Sony at least did venture in supporting non main stream titles like Heavy Rain, Journey, and even TLoU. but including Sony in the argument is irrelevant because the topic is about MS business strategy. and no tinfoil here as thre are facts that support that MS did support illegal espionage and surveillance, and have plans to use their products to data mine their consumers.
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] stuck in past? no... i know how xbox 1 become xbox 180. im stating that in general, MS business strategy is more focused on conceiving a more efficient money-milking scheme rather than focusing on improving their product's quality. these are evident in the way they remake "hit" games over and over again because it has little risks instead of supporting non mainstream genre. The fact that they also plan to hijack gamers game ownership in xbox one with their DRM and mandatory subscription (though it back fires miserably), the fact that they force their non essential spy cam which is tied with their ad programs Nuads on their consumers. MS is more concern on devising devious ways on jow to extract every nickel and dime from their consumers. thats the focus of their business.strawhatlupi

No different to Sony, in other words you have no arguement besides, "MS want to make money and they're looking for better ways to do so", no fvcking way!!!.

Your tinfoil hat is showing with the last few sentences aswell, alot of moo and paranoia.

Sony at least did venture in supporting non main stream titles like Heavy Rain, Journey, and even TLoU. but including Sony in the argument is irrelevant because the topic is about MS business strategy. and no tinfoil here as thre are facts that support that MS did support illegal espionage and surveillance, and have plans to use their products to data mine their consumers.

Link please, i can't wait to see this.

How is TLOU not a mainstream title -_-, you cows really do come up with some shite.

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] yeap i know, it backed fires on MS hence the 180 . but the fact is, it is part of their core business plan in the first place. a plan that doesnt benefits consumer neither improve their products quality. a plan that will only guarantee their control over their consumer and to make more cash. pretty much they invest on these schemes long before they announce it. thats is what im saying. MS business model focuses on scheme that will generate more profit while offering very little for their consumers.Snugenz

There used to be another crazy cow that always spelled "yep" "yeap", did your other account get banned?.

look whos paranoid here. this is my only account since 2008
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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

No different to Sony, in other words you have no arguement besides, "MS want to make money and they're looking for better ways to do so", no fvcking way!!!.

Your tinfoil hat is showing with the last few sentences aswell, alot of moo and paranoia.

Snugenz

Sony at least did venture in supporting non main stream titles like Heavy Rain, Journey, and even TLoU. but including Sony in the argument is irrelevant because the topic is about MS business strategy. and no tinfoil here as thre are facts that support that MS did support illegal espionage and surveillance, and have plans to use their products to data mine their consumers.

Link please, i can't wait to see this.

How is TLOU not a mainstream title -_-, you cows really do come up with some shite.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57594011-38/microsoft-u.s-constitution-is-suffering-from-nsa-secrecy/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] stuck in past? no... i know how xbox 1 become xbox 180. im stating that in general, MS business strategy is more focused on conceiving a more efficient money-milking scheme rather than focusing on improving their product's quality. these are evident in the way they remake "hit" games over and over again because it has little risks instead of supporting non mainstream genre. The fact that they also plan to hijack gamers game ownership in xbox one with their DRM and mandatory subscription (though it back fires miserably), the fact that they force their non essential spy cam which is tied with their ad programs Nuads on their consumers. MS is more concern on devising devious ways on jow to extract every nickel and dime from their consumers. thats the focus of their business.strawhatlupi

No different to Sony, in other words you have no arguement besides, "MS want to make money and they're looking for better ways to do so", no fvcking way!!!.

Your tinfoil hat is showing with the last few sentences aswell, alot of moo and paranoia.

Sony at least did venture in supporting non main stream titles like Heavy Rain, Journey, and even TLoU. but including Sony in the argument is irrelevant because the topic is about MS business strategy. and no tinfoil here as thre are facts that support that MS did support illegal espionage and surveillance, and have plans to use their products to data mine their consumers.

.....BAHHHHHHHHHHHHH hahhaahahaahahah TLOU non mainstream? What do we have today folks? well its a zombie game, where you lead a kid by the hand and they screw up because their AI is so brain dead that they will alert every enemy to your presence...We balanced it by making the enemy AI as brain dead too. Thats It zombies? we'll they aren't really zombies they are infected HUMANS whom later sprout mushrooms and use clicking sounds to find you where as they swarm you and eat you.... That sounds like a zombie to me.... No its totally different we assure you.
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] Sony at least did venture in supporting non main stream titles like Heavy Rain, Journey, and even TLoU. but including Sony in the argument is irrelevant because the topic is about MS business strategy. and no tinfoil here as thre are facts that support that MS did support illegal espionage and surveillance, and have plans to use their products to data mine their consumers.strawhatlupi

Link please, i can't wait to see this.

How is TLOU not a mainstream title -_-, you cows really do come up with some shite.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57594011-38/microsoft-u.s-constitution-is-suffering-from-nsa-secrecy/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

Wow, the tinfoil hat club. :shock:

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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] Sony at least did venture in supporting non main stream titles like Heavy Rain, Journey, and even TLoU. but including Sony in the argument is irrelevant because the topic is about MS business strategy. and no tinfoil here as thre are facts that support that MS did support illegal espionage and surveillance, and have plans to use their products to data mine their consumers.strawhatlupi

Link please, i can't wait to see this.

How is TLOU not a mainstream title -_-, you cows really do come up with some shite.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57594011-38/microsoft-u.s-constitution-is-suffering-from-nsa-secrecy/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

3rd link shows no data mining except an automated process by which to monitor how many people are using a product a person only purchased one license for.

2nd link In a statement, Microsoft said: "When we upgrade or update products we aren't absolved from the need to comply with existing or future lawful demands." The company reiterated its argument that it provides customer data "only in response to government demands and we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers".


1st link Microsoft on Tuesday asked the Obama administration to allow it to reveal details about how it responds to orders from the U.S. government for user account data


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Also.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/19/sony-patent-vital-sign-tagging/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57561943-1/sony-files-patent-for-tech-to-block-used-games/#!

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a348864/sony-files-patent-for-controller-to-monitor-heart-rate-breathing-rate.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/technology/tech-news/sony-data-breach-fuels-privacy-concerns/article577889/

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/106072/Sony_copy_protection_software_raises_security_privacy_concerns

 

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Link please, i can't wait to see this.

How is TLOU not a mainstream title -_-, you cows really do come up with some shite.

Snugenz

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57594011-38/microsoft-u.s-constitution-is-suffering-from-nsa-secrecy/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa

Wow, the tinfoil hat club. :shock:

you ask for link.. verify it yourself... is what stated there facts or not? if you ask me i will rather be called loony paranoid... than become a blind obedient corporate bot who loves getting screwed in the @$$
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57594011-38/microsoft-u.s-constitution-is-suffering-from-nsa-secrecy/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706-microsofts-new-kinect-patent-goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaastrawhatlupi

Wow, the tinfoil hat club. :shock:

you ask for link.. verify it yourself... is what stated there facts or not? if you ask me i will rather be called loony paranoid... than become a blind obedient corporate bot who loves getting screwed in the @$$

already verified no data mining was talked about in the 3rd link and the 1st and second talked about how Microsoft was ordered by the US government to give up details something as an American based company they have to comply too else face stiff court penalties.
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Also.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/19/sony-patent-vital-sign-tagging/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57561943-1/sony-files-patent-for-tech-to-block-used-games/#!

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a348864/sony-files-patent-for-controller-to-monitor-heart-rate-breathing-rate.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/technology/tech-news/sony-data-breach-fuels-privacy-concerns/article577889/

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/106072/Sony_copy_protection_software_raises_security_privacy_concerns

 

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so you provide a counter argument that doesnt disprove that MS has a plan to data mine its consumer. Sony doesnt force a spy cam, nor mandatory online connection. and breached security is very different from collaborating to share private information also compared to Dead Rising, TLoU is not your cliche zombie games.
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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Wow, the tinfoil hat club. :shock:

WilliamRLBaker
you ask for link.. verify it yourself... is what stated there facts or not? if you ask me i will rather be called loony paranoid... than become a blind obedient corporate bot who loves getting screwed in the @$$

already verified no data mining was talked about in the 3rd link and the 1st and second talked about how Microsoft was ordered by the US government to give up details something as an American based company they have to comply too else face stiff court penalties.

government cannot force you to do illegal things. and what do you think data means? the fact that kinect was designed and is patented to support the ability to conduct surveillance means it is at least planned to be used for data mining purposes
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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] you ask for link.. verify it yourself... is what stated there facts or not? if you ask me i will rather be called loony paranoid... than become a blind obedient corporate bot who loves getting screwed in the @$$

already verified no data mining was talked about in the 3rd link and the 1st and second talked about how Microsoft was ordered by the US government to give up details something as an American based company they have to comply too else face stiff court penalties.

government cannot force you to do illegal things. and what do you think data means? the fact that kinect was designed and is patented to support the ability to conduct surveillance means it is at least planned to be used for data mining purposes

just because a patent is submitted does not mean it will be used. theres loads of dormant patents and trolling that exist, until its proven that this is being used which would inevitably infringe upon many rights it wont be used theres far too much scope for a sh!tstorm. NSA im sure much likey any government agency can go above companies if they feel the data they require is of importance.
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] already verified no data mining was talked about in the 3rd link and the 1st and second talked about how Microsoft was ordered by the US government to give up details something as an American based company they have to comply too else face stiff court penalties.

government cannot force you to do illegal things. and what do you think data means? the fact that kinect was designed and is patented to support the ability to conduct surveillance means it is at least planned to be used for data mining purposes

just because a patent is submitted does not mean it will be used. theres loads of dormant patents and trolling that exist, until its proven that this is being used which would inevitably infringe upon many rights it wont be used theres far too much scope for a sh!tstorm. NSA im sure much likey any government agency can go above companies if they feel the data they require is of importance.

sure tell yourself that and go back to sleep. http://techland.time.com/2012/06/18/microsofts-kinect-nuads-will-be-even-more-in-your-face-perhaps-for-the-better/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57435072-83/microsoft-readies-nuads-they-watch-you-watching-them/ note the date. government have three bodies if you didn't know that. if MS feels the request is unlawful (which later on they do feel something like that ) they can choose to go in public and file a case in the court. MS is just saving its faces by sporting half baked alibis.
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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] you ask for link.. verify it yourself... is what stated there facts or not? if you ask me i will rather be called loony paranoid... than become a blind obedient corporate bot who loves getting screwed in the @$$

already verified no data mining was talked about in the 3rd link and the 1st and second talked about how Microsoft was ordered by the US government to give up details something as an American based company they have to comply too else face stiff court penalties.

government cannot force you to do illegal things. and what do you think data means? the fact that kinect was designed and is patented to support the ability to conduct surveillance means it is at least planned to be used for data mining purposes

lol 1.A court order for information about individuals is not illegal it falls well within the letter of the law. 2. yes the government can force you do to things...otherwise Snowden would still be in america right now.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] already verified no data mining was talked about in the 3rd link and the 1st and second talked about how Microsoft was ordered by the US government to give up details something as an American based company they have to comply too else face stiff court penalties.

government cannot force you to do illegal things. and what do you think data means? the fact that kinect was designed and is patented to support the ability to conduct surveillance means it is at least planned to be used for data mining purposes

lol 1.A court order for information about individuals is not illegal it falls well within the letter of the law. 2. yes the government can force you do to things...otherwise Snowden would still be in america right now.

you sure youre not making something up, since when NSA provide a court order when them and MS collaborate to spy on private information.? government cannot force you to do ILLEGAL things, unless there are legal laws to support it.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] government cannot force you to do illegal things. and what do you think data means? the fact that kinect was designed and is patented to support the ability to conduct surveillance means it is at least planned to be used for data mining purposes strawhatlupi
lol 1.A court order for information about individuals is not illegal it falls well within the letter of the law. 2. yes the government can force you do to things...otherwise Snowden would still be in america right now.

you sure youre not making something up, since when NSA provide a court order when them and MS collaborate to spy on private information.? government cannot force you to do ILLEGAL things, unless there are legal laws to support it.

 

Odd how your the one claiming that the NSA walked into Microsofts offices and said hey yeah we need information on all 100+ million of your OS users, xbox owners...etc and they just handed over a memory stick with said information. The proof is on you that Microsoft willingly without court order or any sort of coercion just gave up information, Specially so since I already pointed out that the links you gave say as much.

""3rd link shows no data mining except an automated process by which to monitor how many people are using a product a person only purchased one license for.

2nd link In a statement, Microsoft said: "When we upgrade or update products we aren't absolved from the need to comply with existing or future lawful demands." The company reiterated its argument that it provides customer data "only in response to government demands and we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers".


1st link Microsoft on Tuesday asked the Obama administration to allow it to reveal details about how it responds to orders from the U.S. government for user account data""



I see no proof of data mining, I see no proof of Microsoft willingly giving away information they were infact ordered too, and even pleaded with the current administration to be allowed to reveal details of what they were ordered to do, and when, and how, But it doesn't matter what I say or any sort of proof I give, I could go to the white house right now, where me and Obama could have a cordial chat and give me documents showing orders by Government ogranizations to give up information as well as warrants for Microsoft to give up info on select users and you would still be....

BUBUBUBBUBUBU the sony tehy are amazing they never ever ever give information, or Data mine, or use underhanded business practices bubububub.

 

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Another horrible looking game for the xbone: 

So ugly :shock: click image for full size

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] lol 1.A court order for information about individuals is not illegal it falls well within the letter of the law. 2. yes the government can force you do to things...otherwise Snowden would still be in america right now.WilliamRLBaker

you sure youre not making something up, since when NSA provide a court order when them and MS collaborate to spy on private information.? government cannot force you to do ILLEGAL things, unless there are legal laws to support it.

 

Odd how your the one claiming that the NSA walked into Microsofts offices and said hey yeah we need information on all 100+ million of your OS users, xbox owners...etc and they just handed over a memory stick with said information. The proof is on you that Microsoft willingly without court order or any sort of coercion just gave up information, Specially so since I already pointed out that the links you gave say as much.

""3rd link shows no data mining except an automated process by which to monitor how many people are using a product a person only purchased one license for.

2nd link In a statement, Microsoft said: "When we upgrade or update products we aren't absolved from the need to comply with existing or future lawful demands." The company reiterated its argument that it provides customer data "only in response to government demands and we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers".


1st link Microsoft on Tuesday asked the Obama administration to allow it to reveal details about how it responds to orders from the U.S. government for user account data""



I see no proof of data mining, I see no proof of Microsoft willingly giving away information they were infact ordered too, and even pleaded with the current administration to be allowed to reveal details of what they were ordered to do, and when, and how, But it doesn't matter what I say or any sort of proof I give, I could go to the white house right now, where me and Obama could have a cordial chat and give me documents showing orders by Government ogranizations to give up information as well as warrants for Microsoft to give up info on select users and you would still be....

BUBUBUBBUBUBU the sony tehy are amazing they never ever ever give information, or Data mine, or use underhanded business practices bubububub.

 

"Where does Microsoft store data about me, and for how long? A: Data collected through use of Kinect is stored on Microsofts Windows Azure platform for up to three months, after which it will be deleted. During that three-month period, the data will be held for analysis purposes. If chosen for analysis, the data will be rendered into an anonymous state before use." you sure there are no data mining?
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Another horrible looking game for the xbone: 

So ugly :shock: click image for full size

1376998674-2.jpg

1376998678-8.jpg

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looks pretty good to me considering there will be houndreds of AI controlled active zombies onscreen at once.