Is PS4 will be... 4K?

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#1 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

Well on CES Sony annouce 4K Upscaleing Bluray player and hint that they working on first 4K TVs

What is 4K? it's simply think that comes after HD and standard in which resolution is 4 times higher then HD,4096x2160 to be more exact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

Currenly only existing 4K displays are projectors and some monitors

Considering the fact that PS3 was pretty much one of HD pionerring devices, there major quastion come in.... will PS4 gonna be 4K device or atleast sub to that (higher then HD)? Or it is worth to wait another 5 years even if 4K TV come in in the way?

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#2 Posted by ChubbyGuy40 (26428 posts) -

4k = 4x 1080p. Simply enough. An upscaling Blu-Ray player would be just that...something that upscales to 4k.

However, a game running at 4k? No way. This ain't PC.

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#3 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

4k = 4x 1080p. Simply enough. An upscaling Blu-Ray player would be just that...something that upscales to 4k.

However, a game running at 4k? No way. This ain't PC.

ChubbyGuy40

Well it does not need to run in full 4K as PS3 don't run on full HD at most. And isn't current consoles are equile to hardware of PC on times where they been made? so PC or not it does not matter

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#4 Posted by MonsieurX (36675 posts) -
Upscaled 4k games ftw! :roll:
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#5 Posted by peterw007 (3653 posts) -

Considering the vast majority of movies aren't in 4K...and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference unless you had a massive screen...I think it's safe to say that the PS3 will not display 4K resolution in any capacity.

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#6 Posted by Kinthalis (5502 posts) -

Uhm no.

It takes 4 video cards to run TODAY's games on 4 1080p panels. You think the PS4 will be able to do that for even mroe advanced games?

You ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> reality.

;)

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#7 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

Considering the vast majority of movies aren't in 4K...and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference unless you had a massive screen...I think it's safe to say that the PS3 will not display 4K resolution in any capacity.

peterw007

Or we have no idea how it will look like yet ;]

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#8 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

Uhm no.

It takes 4 video cards to run TODAY's games on 4 1080p panels. You think the PS4 will be able to do that for even mroe advanced games?

You ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> reality.

;)

Kinthalis

Think what only games runs on 1080p today (on consoles ofcorse) ;]

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#9 Posted by Johnny_Rock (40170 posts) -

Muahahahahahaha...(gasp)... hahahahahaha 4K!!!!! Lololololol.... (cough)

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#10 Posted by dontshackzmii (6026 posts) -

4k is over 8 million pixels most gpus cant even out put that high. Unless the ps4 isl ike 5000$ i dont see this happening unless its running pac man.

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#11 Posted by WiiRocks66 (3488 posts) -

If current gen consoles can barely handle 720p, what makes you think the next gen consoles will magically jump up to handling 4K when a PC can't even do that?

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#12 Posted by Ben-Buja (2809 posts) -

Games in 4K? No Way.

I doubt even 1080P will be standard across most games next gen.

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#13 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

If current gen consoles can barely handle 720p, what makes you think the next gen consoles will magically jump up to handling 4K when a PC can't even do that?

WiiRocks66

And some don't even run on 720p. And again, think what games runs on 1080p on consoles today and why?

Also GPU not does not matter here, device still can output 4K. PC already can display beyond HD, how it's possible to display it via consoles? 4K output, but who said it needs to be 4K game?

And before you think im crazy, if PS4 will be annouce this year i would not expect 4K it seems to early technology, but who knows what 2012 may bring to the end

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#14 Posted by illmatic87 (17921 posts) -
Hermits r jus jelly that next gen console kan run games at better res than theyre $10000 Pc
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#15 Posted by hgasf006 (166 posts) -
I can only imagine the PS4 being 4 times as much.
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#16 Posted by Johnny_Rock (40170 posts) -

Hermits r jus jelly that next gen console kan run games at better res than theyre $10000 Pcillmatic87

I'm getting you a dictionary for your birthday. What is your address?

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#17 Posted by thelastguy (12030 posts) -

I highly doubt it

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#18 Posted by icyseanfitz (2493 posts) -

not going to happen, would be far to expensive

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#19 Posted by James161324 (8315 posts) -

Nope unless its going to cost 5-10 grand, plus you can have your 5 grand tv. As it was stated running something like eye finity on 3 is hard for many high end rigs.

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#20 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

Games in 4K? No Way.

I doubt even 1080P will be standard across most games next gen.

Ben-Buja

Yes, some PS3 not even run 720p, yet both PS3 and 360 even with upscaled games are device that can output to 1080p, why not PS4 would be able to output 4K whatever game resolution is?

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#21 Posted by HaloinventedFPS (4738 posts) -

Upscale is bad, doesnt change anything and can make it worse

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#22 Posted by Bikouchu35 (8183 posts) -

Hermits r jus jelly that next gen console kan run games at better res than theyre $10000 Pcillmatic87

***** please, pc can already run 5760 x 2160 if it wanted.

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#23 Posted by icyseanfitz (2493 posts) -

[QUOTE="illmatic87"]Hermits r jus jelly that next gen console kan run games at better res than theyre $10000 PcBikouchu35

***** please, pc can already run 5760 x 2160 if it wanted.

yeah except the monitors alone would cost 2-3 grand

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#24 Posted by Johnny_Rock (40170 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

[QUOTE="illmatic87"]Hermits r jus jelly that next gen console kan run games at better res than theyre $10000 Pcicyseanfitz

***** please, pc can already run 5760 x 2160 if it wanted.

yeah except the monitors alone would cost 2-3 grand

The same cost that console players would incur for a display. What's your point?

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#25 Posted by icyseanfitz (2493 posts) -

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

***** please, pc can already run 5760 x 2160 if it wanted.

Johnny_Rock

yeah except the monitors alone would cost 2-3 grand

The same cost that console players would incur for a display. What's your point?

no point, if anything a large lcd tv outputting that resolution would cost even more than a pc monitor, so it aint happening

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#26 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

[QUOTE="illmatic87"]Hermits r jus jelly that next gen console kan run games at better res than theyre $10000 Pcicyseanfitz

***** please, pc can already run 5760 x 2160 if it wanted.

yeah except the monitors alone would cost 2-3 grand

Yet a PS3 an console that output 1080p can be pluged to SD TV :o

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#27 Posted by Johnny_Rock (40170 posts) -

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

yeah except the monitors alone would cost 2-3 grand

icyseanfitz

The same cost that console players would incur for a display. What's your point?

no point, if anything a large lcd tv outputting that resolution would cost even more than a pc monitor, so it aint happening

But many PC players ARE playing on an LCD tv (like me). Most HD tv's have a PC input OR high end video cards (like mine) have an HDMI output.

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#28 Posted by icyseanfitz (2493 posts) -

which completely wastes the hardware inside it, you do know to even output games at the res your talking about you would need some high end gpu/gpu's (as in $600 gpu's) and if you upscale to that res why even bother?

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#29 Posted by icyseanfitz (2493 posts) -

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

The same cost that console players would incur for a display. What's your point?

Johnny_Rock

no point, if anything a large lcd tv outputting that resolution would cost even more than a pc monitor, so it aint happening

But many PC players ARE playing on an LCD tv (like me). Most HD tv's have a PC input OR high end video cards (like mine) have an HDMI output.

and? that has nothing to do with what i was talking about, a monitor or lcdtv outputting that res is going to cost a fortune, btw i am well aware you can plug a pc into a lcdtv

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#30 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

yay more BS from the land of console hardware, first the PS2 is going to make CGI look like a joke, then PS3s will replace the home PC, now PS4 wants 4k? Give me a break...better yet, keep it coming, laughter is good for the soul.

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#31 Posted by Johnny_Rock (40170 posts) -

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

no point, if anything a large lcd tv outputting that resolution would cost even more than a pc monitor, so it aint happening

icyseanfitz

But many PC players ARE playing on an LCD tv (like me). Most HD tv's have a PC input OR high end video cards (like mine) have an HDMI output.

and? that has nothing to do with what i was talking about, a monitor or lcdtv outputting that res is going to cost a fortune, btw i am well aware you can plug a pc into a lcdtv

Ah... so we agree that releasing a 4k system in the U.S. is just absurd.

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#32 Posted by DJ_Headshot (6427 posts) -

I can see it supporting and will make a nice advertising gimmick but don't see it actually being used much due to lack of content at that resolution the pixel junk games should be able to run at 4K native though :D

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#33 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

which completely wastes the hardware inside it, you do know to even output games at the res your talking about you would need some high end gpu/gpu's (as in $600 gpu's) and if you upscale to that res why even bother?

icyseanfitz

Future proof.... and again what games run on 1080p on today consoles that most games have trouble to be 1080p games? What would happen to those games if 1080p would be no problem anymore?

Keep im mind PS3 came out in days where 1080p TVs been not cheap either

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#34 Posted by icyseanfitz (2493 posts) -

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

But many PC players ARE playing on an LCD tv (like me). Most HD tv's have a PC input OR high end video cards (like mine) have an HDMI output.

Johnny_Rock

and? that has nothing to do with what i was talking about, a monitor or lcdtv outputting that res is going to cost a fortune, btw i am well aware you can plug a pc into a lcdtv

Ah... so we agree that releasing a 4k system in the U.S. is just absurd.

of course, not only would the screen cost a ton but the hardware to run at that resolution would be far too great to sell in a console

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#35 Posted by icyseanfitz (2493 posts) -

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

which completely wastes the hardware inside it, you do know to even output games at the res your talking about you would need some high end gpu/gpu's (as in $600 gpu's) and if you upscale to that res why even bother?

ShadowriverUB

Future proof.... and again what games run on 1080p on today consoles that most games have trouble to be 1080p games? What would happen to those games if 1080p would be no problem anymore?

Keep im mind PS3 came out in days where 1080p TVs been not cheap either

i cant understand you at all, the ps3 came out at $600 and it couldnt run games at 1080p (when 1080p was pretty common), whereas you are saying that the ps4 will release and be running stuff at or near 4k (which is pretty much non existent at the moment even with pc's) and be affordable, thats called dreaming

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#36 Posted by Johnny_Rock (40170 posts) -

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

and? that has nothing to do with what i was talking about, a monitor or lcdtv outputting that res is going to cost a fortune, btw i am well aware you can plug a pc into a lcdtv

icyseanfitz

Ah... so we agree that releasing a 4k system in the U.S. is just absurd.

of course, not only would the screen cost a ton but the hardware to run at that resolution would be far too great to sell in a console

My bad. I thought you were debating my point of view. :)

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#37 Posted by WiiRocks66 (3488 posts) -

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If current gen consoles can barely handle 720p, what makes you think the next gen consoles will magically jump up to handling 4K when a PC can't even do that?

ShadowriverUB

And some don't even run on 720p. And again, think what games runs on 1080p on consoles today and why?

Also GPU not does not matter here, device still can output 4K. PC already can display beyond HD, how it's possible to display it via consoles? 4K output, but who said it needs to be 4K game?

And before you think im crazy, if PS4 will be annouce this year i would not expect 4K it seems to early technology, but who knows what 2012 may bring to the end

Uh, yes, the GPU would matter a lot here. On consoles, even if you set your resolution to 1080p, every game will output at it's native resolution. CoD, for example, is something like 1024x600. The TV then upscales(or downscales) the image to the TV's native res. The console GPU is rendering 1024x600 pixels, the TV is scaling upscaling it to 1080p. For a game to really be 4K, you would need a 4K tv, a GPU that can handle outputting 4K, and the game to have a native resolution of 4K. Simply put, it will cost far too much.

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#38 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

which completely wastes the hardware inside it, you do know to even output games at the res your talking about you would need some high end gpu/gpu's (as in $600 gpu's) and if you upscale to that res why even bother?

icyseanfitz

Future proof.... and again what games run on 1080p on today consoles that most games have trouble to be 1080p games? What would happen to those games if 1080p would be no problem anymore?

Keep im mind PS3 came out in days where 1080p TVs been not cheap either

i cant understand you at all, the ps3 came out at $600 and it couldnt run games at 1080p (when 1080p was pretty common), whereas you are saying that the ps4 will release and be running stuff at or near 4k (which is pretty much non existent at the moment even with pc's) and be affordable, thats called dreaming

But PS3 it runs 1080p games if you didn't know XD i'm ask WHAT those games are? and what would happen to those games without 1080p problems on other games?

Here tip, You aggre with guy that PC can do even beyond 4K but you would need costly monitor, now you saying 4K is not possible even on PC. It seems you locking yourself to specific kind of games here, forgeting about some other games.... THINK, it's easy

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#39 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

Future proof.... and again what games run on 1080p on today consoles that most games have trouble to be 1080p games? What would happen to those games if 1080p would be no problem anymore?

Keep im mind PS3 came out in days where 1080p TVs been not cheap either

ShadowriverUB

i cant understand you at all, the ps3 came out at $600 and it couldnt run games at 1080p (when 1080p was pretty common), whereas you are saying that the ps4 will release and be running stuff at or near 4k (which is pretty much non existent at the moment even with pc's) and be affordable, thats called dreaming

But PS3 it runs 1080p games if you didn't know XD i'm ask WHAT those games are? and what would happen to those games without 1080p problems on other games?

Here tip, You aggre with guy that PC can do even beyond 4K but you would need costly monitor, now you saying 4K is not possible even on PC. It seems you locking yourself to specific kind of games here, forgeting about some other games.... THINK, it's easy

95% of console games are sub-HD. Do a little research.
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#41 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

i cant understand you at all, the ps3 came out at $600 and it couldnt run games at 1080p (when 1080p was pretty common), whereas you are saying that the ps4 will release and be running stuff at or near 4k (which is pretty much non existent at the moment even with pc's) and be affordable, thats called dreaming

wis3boi

But PS3 it runs 1080p games if you didn't know XD i'm ask WHAT those games are? and what would happen to those games without 1080p problems on other games?

Here tip, You aggre with guy that PC can do even beyond 4K but you would need costly monitor, now you saying 4K is not possible even on PC. It seems you locking yourself to specific kind of games here, forgeting about some other games.... THINK, it's easy

95% of console games are sub-HD. Do a little research.

HAha, you closes person to understand something XD I don't need research, i know that, what you think i mean about games having problem with 1080p? ;] yet there games that runs in 1080p

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#42 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="WiiRocks66"]

If current gen consoles can barely handle 720p, what makes you think the next gen consoles will magically jump up to handling 4K when a PC can't even do that?

WiiRocks66

And some don't even run on 720p. And again, think what games runs on 1080p on consoles today and why?

Also GPU not does not matter here, device still can output 4K. PC already can display beyond HD, how it's possible to display it via consoles? 4K output, but who said it needs to be 4K game?

And before you think im crazy, if PS4 will be annouce this year i would not expect 4K it seems to early technology, but who knows what 2012 may bring to the end

Uh, yes, the GPU would matter a lot here. On consoles, even if you set your resolution to 1080p, every game will output at it's native resolution. CoD, for example, is something like 1024x600. The TV then upscales(or downscales) the image to the TV's native res. The console GPU is rendering 1024x600 pixels, the TV is scaling upscaling it to 1080p. For a game to really be 4K, you would need a 4K tv, a GPU that can handle outputting 4K, and the game to have a native resolution of 4K. Simply put, it will cost far too much.

PS3 not outputing native res of game, DVI could handle that, but HDMI does not support that.

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#43 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

And again i'm not crazy, i do belive it might be too early for PS4 to have 4K outputing, but in world of tech you never know what may happen and i know SW is where people hardly to belive in future tech, like OnLive which here was annouced as imposible tech.... guess what it's possible

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#44 Posted by peterw007 (3653 posts) -

Again TC, why does it matter?

TV shows are shot in 2K (a little more than 1080p). The vast majority of movies (and all 35mm film movies) are shot in 2K.

Animated movies are rendered in 2K.

And, you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference when something is in 4K.

Take a look at this chart:

You'd have to have an absolutely massive screen to even properly make use of 4K (a little more than 2160p) resolution.

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#45 Posted by WiiRocks66 (3488 posts) -

[QUOTE="WiiRocks66"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

And some don't even run on 720p. And again, think what games runs on 1080p on consoles today and why?

Also GPU not does not matter here, device still can output 4K. PC already can display beyond HD, how it's possible to display it via consoles? 4K output, but who said it needs to be 4K game?

And before you think im crazy, if PS4 will be annouce this year i would not expect 4K it seems to early technology, but who knows what 2012 may bring to the end

ShadowriverUB

Uh, yes, the GPU would matter a lot here. On consoles, even if you set your resolution to 1080p, every game will output at it's native resolution. CoD, for example, is something like 1024x600. The TV then upscales(or downscales) the image to the TV's native res. The console GPU is rendering 1024x600 pixels, the TV is scaling upscaling it to 1080p. For a game to really be 4K, you would need a 4K tv, a GPU that can handle outputting 4K, and the game to have a native resolution of 4K. Simply put, it will cost far too much.

PS3 not outputing native res of game, DVI could handle that, but HDMI does not support that.

What? I can barely understand you, and you have no idea what you're talking about.

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#46 Posted by PraetorianMan (1714 posts) -

The tech to [affordably] render a game in 4k resolution is WAYY off. PS4 would have to be a $1,000 console that still bleeds tons of money.

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#47 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

Maybe you right, but we still got 4KTV outputing device if Sony will provide them why not promote in same as they did with 3D?

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#48 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

The tech to affordably render a game in 4k resolution is WAYY off. PS4 would have to be a $1,000 console that still bleeds tons of money.

PraetorianMan

You guys still dont diffrent rendering from outputing and fact that game does not need to be high-end and struggle with hardware, again what games run 1080p on today consoles?

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#49 Posted by hakanakumono (27455 posts) -

4K will probably make my eyes bleed.

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#50 Posted by ChubbyGuy40 (26428 posts) -

Maybe you right, but we still got 4KTV outputing device if Sony will provide them why not promote in same as they did with 3D?

ShadowriverUB

Because 4k upscaling means nothing when

1. It's just upscaling. All 5 people that'll be able to use it right now won't care either.

2. There is no content what-so-ever that supports 4k resolution. We didn't crap ourselves over 1080p upscaling DVD players, we won't bother looking at current 4k upscaling Blu-Ray players.