Is it safe to assume that Xbox will win North America next gen by a wide margin?

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Poll Is it safe to assume that Xbox will win North America next gen by a wide margin? (91 votes)

Yes. 18%
No. 82%

It's up to you how you want to define "win". To me, it could be a nice wide margin of sales over competition like a 40m xbox vs 100m PS4s but that's world wide estimates. PS4 owns this generation.

I'm guessing it's probably a "yes" because of the Lockhart and Halo Infinite. A gamble where more people might not mind 1080p/2K resolutions just how there are probably way more base/s xbox ones than One X sold within the 40-50m estimates.

MS probably won't shoot themselves in the foot either with the used game fiasco, out of the gate.

This is just speculation ofc.

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#1 adsparky
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Nope, first we don't know the price and second the "no exclusives" for the first 2 years can be disastrous for early sales.

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#2 BlackShirt20
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I think they could. Will they? Depends. They have the much better hardware, but now they need to show the games. They have to give people a reason to choose Xbox over PS5.

Look, Sony’s PS5 reveal this month was ok. But it wasn’t mind blowing or really all that impressive. They showed one good game. The rest were kid games or a DLC Spider Man game they are gonna try to sell as a full game experience.

The IP’s and games MS is rumored to be announce could shift things. I mean, Xbox is currently competitive in North America. Sony doesn’t have a big lead.

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The casual market is where they could gain the advantage depending on pricing there are a lot of people who only play 2-3 games a year and most of those jumped over to ps4 this generation.

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#4 rzxv04
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@adsparky said:

Nope, first we don't know the price and second the "no exclusives" for the first 2 years can be disastrous for early sales.

Don't they just have to imply how much better it looks and plays on the next gen systems?

I think the price of the Series S will be significantly cheaper than the PS5. Perhaps close to a hundred.

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#5 Bluestars
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Xbox is more powerful,looks better(sw poll),games will look/run better(recent p.spencer interview,power advantage,see pro v x DF for proof that power matters).

Xbox has more game studios ,making more games with the likes of FH4,sea of thieves and the outer worlds beating Sony’s big game studios titles like TLou2,days gone and other big hitters like death stranding Already

Gamepass Is unrivalled and Xbox will struggle to have a launch library as bad as the ps5.....so where it really matters Xbox win

You can cry sales,but No....sales are for sad acts,you telling me the PS4 is better than a 2080ti pc because it’s sold more?,because if you are HAH

But the real winner is me as I will be getting both

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#6  Edited By BassMan
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Anything is possible, but Sony has stronger first party studios overall and more brand loyalty. People like myself will not be buying anymore Xbox consoles because the games will be on PC (this is a good thing). So, it is no longer about selling consoles, but more about game sales and selling services. Personally, I only care that they make good games. I am happy paying for Xbox Game Pass and enjoying the games on PC.

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@BlackShirt20 said:

I think they could. Will they? Depends. They have the much better hardware, but now they need to show the games. They have to give people a reason to choose Xbox over PS5.

Look, Sony’s PS5 reveal this month was ok. But it wasn’t mind blowing or really all that impressive. They showed one good game. The rest were kid games or a DLC Spider Man game they are gonna try to sell as a full game experience.

The IP’s and games MS is rumored to be announce could shift things. I mean, Xbox is currently competitive in North America. Sony doesn’t have a big lead.

This is what actually amazes me the most. Xbox this gen has paltry exclusives yet seems almost sell half of the PS4. Brand loyalty or caged ecosystem are amazing.

I do not think it's realistic for Xbox to do any scandalous movements in the next 2 years and with that out of the way, I can't see PS maintaining a lead.

This is more of a gutfeeling because I cannot see how 40-50m Xbox has a major base outside NA. Certainly not Asia but I have no solid proof.

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@bluestars: What in the hell did I just read?!? HaH

HaH

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What if MS positions the XsX as the most affordable workstation/gaming PC instead of a console? Bundling optional Adobe products and mouse & keyboard, and sell them not only to gamers but also to offices and art schools that need affordable PCs.

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#10 Sevenizz
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I can’t speak for others, but I’m picking Xbox again next gen. Sony doesn’t offer me the games or services I like.

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#11 netracing
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The ps5 will become cheaper and so It will continue to sell more units.

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#12  Edited By WitIsWisdom
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I would say that is not a safe assumption.

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#13 KBFloYd
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if the series x is same price or lower than ps5 then they will be in a huge position to do something this gen.

more power for the same price or lower price? almost like the reverse of this gen.

however to capitalize on it. MS need support of a huge catalog of games. thats what made the 360 beat the ps3. it simply had more games. towards the end japanese studios like square enix etc... gave the ps3 a lot of exclusives which helped tilt the favor at the end.

so i think xbox should advertise game pass on every series X box. in big letters! "100's of games for 1 dollar" something like that. also pack in halo. advertise backwards compatibility on the back of the box.

etc...

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#14 rzxv04
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@st_monica said:

What if MS positions the XsX as the most affordable workstation/gaming PC instead of a console? Bundling optional Adobe products and mouse & keyboard, and sell them not only to gamers but also to offices and art schools that need affordable PCs.

Aren't they gonna piss off OEMs that way? I'd like that though.

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#15 xantufrog  Moderator
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We don't know enough info yet, like price. That being said, I think it could if it's cheaper and stronger

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#16 iambatman7986
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Nothing is a given. We need pricing and game announcements first.

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No

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#18 Bluestars
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@vfighter:

You can read?

HaH

Facts blinding you kid

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Xbox All Access program is very appealing to be honest.

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#20 Daredevils2k
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Lol, MS is going to lose in the US by a wide margin.

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#21 Pedro
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Its always fun reading these baseless claims.

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#22 ProtossRushX
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bro are you friggin kidding me?

SONY WOJN TH PS1 WON PS2 WON PS3 WON USA USA USA ps4 won usa

how do you win when you lose 4 times in a row

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#23 Star67
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It might be closer this time around, but we will have to wait and see

Also, I dont think Halo infinite will be the system seller you think it is. Halo DOES NOT have the weight it once had. You can thank COD and Fortnite for that

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The only way they would is if the XSX like $100 cheaper. If its noticeably cheaper and noticeably more powerful (a much better power gap than ps4 vs x1), then there's a chance of it dominating in NA, especially with game pass improving over the years. If its the same price, there is no chance of winning against a brand that "spams" 90+ meta score exclusive games on a yearly basis.

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#25 Archangel3371
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I really don’t care if they “win” or not. As long as they continue to make a product and games that I enjoy then they’ve won with me and that’s all that really matters.

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They've got a lot of work to do in order to pull it off.

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#27 Crazy_Chemist
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I am going to say yea, because i can. I believe they did it eith xbox360, i am sure they could do it again.

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#28  Edited By Sagemode87
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@crazy_chemist: Sony beat MS that gen while launching way more expensive and a year later. Doubt Sony makes those mistakes again.

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#29 SolidGame_basic
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It will always be about games. The Switch is destroying Xbox at the moment.

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@BlackShirt20 said:

I think they could. Will they? Depends. They have the much better hardware, but now they need to show the games. They have to give people a reason to choose Xbox over PS5.

Look, Sony’s PS5 reveal this month was ok. But it wasn’t mind blowing or really all that impressive. They showed one good game. The rest were kid games or a DLC Spider Man game they are gonna try to sell as a full game experience.

The IP’s and games MS is rumored to be announce could shift things. I mean, Xbox is currently competitive in North America. Sony doesn’t have a big lead.

Lol sorry but a 15 to 17% gpu advantage isn't much better hardware, especially when the X1X had about a 44% advantage over the pro. If they couldn't win then how are they going to win with that advantage being cut in half?

And one good game? I saw 5 exclusives worth purchasing.

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It's too early to tell.

In retrospect, we knew the PS3 was gonna lose to the Xbox as soon as $599 happened, but there was no way to be sure until years later.

In retrospect, we knew the Xbox One was dead in the water as soon as the "How to Share PS4 games" ad came out, but we had no way to be sure until years later.

I don't think a moment like that has happened yet.

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No...

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#33 BlackShirt20
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@wervenom: It’s closed to 30% power difference with a 44% core advantage, along with better CPU and Ram. So yeah, hardware is pretty obviously better on XSX. Hang in there bud, gonna be a rough generation for you. Go ahead, try to disprove anything I just said.

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#34  Edited By WeRVenom
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@BlackShirt20: lol it's a 15 to 17% GPU advantage with minimal CPU advantage. 6 GB of the ram is slower and it has an inferior IO throughput and SSD solution. I'm sorry but the hardware advantage will be the smallest it's been in awhile. You're going to be painfully disappointed especially since Xbox games have to scale for the pathetically weak Lockhart.

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#35 pyro1245
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Let's see the prices before we get all crazy, now.

I predict whichever console is cheaper with 'win' with sales numbers. 95% of the time that's how it goes, anyway.

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#36  Edited By rzxv04
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@Willy105 said:

It's too early to tell.

In retrospect, we knew the PS3 was gonna lose to the Xbox as soon as $599 happened, but there was no way to be sure until years later.

In retrospect, we knew the Xbox One was dead in the water as soon as the "How to Share PS4 games" ad came out, but we had no way to be sure until years later.

I don't think a moment like that has happened yet.

I think predicting some of these are fun without much info. Not sure if I have the gambling bug though lol.

That PS4 share ad was brutal.

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#37 Nirgal
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I see Lockhart more as being a winning card for emerging markets. USA still is very wealthy despite lately being terribly mismanaged.

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Nice joke.

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#39 robert_sparkes
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If they bring games that's what counts more than anything else Gamepass is a valuable asset but can definitely see that price creeping up as the gen gets going.

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#40  Edited By Sagemode87
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@BlackShirt20: learn math, difference is minimal. Will be less than most think especially with dimenishing returns. PS5 wins in several areas too. Can't wait for comparisons.

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#41 blamix
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Are they making good games this time?

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#42 BenjaminBanklin
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Xbox had the strongest and a weak cheap console this gen too and it didn't do them any favors. I would say, hold your horses.

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#43 SecretPolice
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Very safe indeed, by a light-year or three. :P

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#44  Edited By warmblur
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@blamix said:

Are they making good games this time?

Doubtful Phil Spencer is already talking nonsense.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/11/18661247/phil-spencer-interview-xbox-project-scarlett-xcloud-e3-2019

Xbox boss Phil Spencer on the future of gaming: ‘The business isn’t how many consoles you sell’

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@nirgal said:

I see Lockhart more as being a winning card for emerging markets. USA still is very wealthy despite lately being terribly mismanaged.

Yup. It's a champion move for world wide attraction. Keep Game Pass cheap for a while too to have them hooked even more.

@BenjaminBanklin said:

Xbox had the strongest and a weak cheap console this gen too and it didn't do them any favors. I would say, hold your horses.

Shot themselves in the foot early on and weak investment in first party. Seems they're trying to change that but yeah it's early but it's kinda fun to think about this early.

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#46 shellcase86
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Safe to assume? No, that's reckless, at best. I hope you're not an active day trader if your risk assessment is that poor.

Microsoft has a lot going for them, yes. However, assuming they win NA from that is ridiculous. The best the brand has ever done was w/ the 360, and that was thanks to; 1) 1 year head start, 2) Being much cheaper, 3) Actually having games and better services.

And then there is this gen. Microsoft has both the most powerful console and consistently sells their base for cheaper than Sony. And yet, they're outsold, out-gamed, and out-performed by the weaker, more expensive brand.

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@shellcase86 said:

Safe to assume? No, that's reckless, at best. I hope you're not an active day trader if your risk assessment is that poor.

Microsoft has a lot going for them, yes. However, assuming they win NA from that is ridiculous. The best the brand has ever done was w/ the 360, and that was thanks to; 1) 1 year head start, 2) Being much cheaper, 3) Actually having games and better services.

And then there is this gen. Microsoft has both the most powerful console and consistently sells their base for cheaper than Sony. And yet, they're outsold, out-gamed, and out-performed by the weaker, more expensive brand.

Not initially. Xbox One was more expensive and weaker, dragged down by Kinect afaik. I think they immediately scrounged an SKU without the Kinect though. They heavily shot themselves at the foot initially. Highly doubt they'd do that: TV TV, no HALO gameplay reveal, no traditional used games or something. Yet maintained a little less than half of its base.

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Nope, Sony is doing everything right. They'll win again this gen.

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#49 VirusVaccine21
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Lol, every gen Lemmings have hope. Every gen they lose.

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@rzxv04 said:
@shellcase86 said:

Safe to assume? No, that's reckless, at best. I hope you're not an active day trader if your risk assessment is that poor.

Microsoft has a lot going for them, yes. However, assuming they win NA from that is ridiculous. The best the brand has ever done was w/ the 360, and that was thanks to; 1) 1 year head start, 2) Being much cheaper, 3) Actually having games and better services.

And then there is this gen. Microsoft has both the most powerful console and consistently sells their base for cheaper than Sony. And yet, they're outsold, out-gamed, and out-performed by the weaker, more expensive brand.

Not initially. Xbox One was more expensive and weaker, dragged down by Kinect afaik. I think they immediately scrounged an SKU without the Kinect though. They heavily shot themselves at the foot initially. Highly doubt they'd do that: TV TV, no HALO gameplay reveal, no traditional used games or something. Yet maintained a little less than half of its base.

Good points.