Is it even conceivable to design a Kinect title that interest core gamers?

I kind of noticed there are plenty of Xbox fans who support Microsoft direction of bundling Kinect with every console next gen.

All in the hopes of having developers somewhat encouraged to design titles that could potentially interest core gamers and not just families with kids.

For that I was wondering if anyone could envisage a scenario where Kinect addition to a game could be of interest to core gamers.

I noticed Microsoft themselves along with talented 3rd party partners couldn't make a case for it at E3 in that regard.

Which evidently led to the conclusion that they either didn't have a vision of its purpose and for what it was made while designing it, or it was intended by design to address casual games / TV remote scenarios only.

So what you say SW, can you envisage a scenario where it would be appealing to you?

Microsoft don't care about quility. They just ripped off the wii with motion controls because it allowed anyone to waggle away at games 5 years and 90 years olds so it means more money.

how long has Kinect been on the market? By now i think everyone knows the answer is no.

Well, like you said, bundling it with the Xbox One could be a good move by MS, as it can encourage developers to support it more this coming gen. Though, enthusiasm doesn't run very high when talking about the Kinect, or motion control in general for that matter, but hey, you never know. It seems to be huge step above the original, so that could give some the incentive to create. 

I guess it's sort of a "wait and see" situation here. 

I bet it's possible, the problem is their First party absolutely blows.

Maybe combined with oculus rift, you can have a virtual reality game:cool:

Yes, but it would have to be well implemented or the games would have to be designed "ground up" for it.

Some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60iE-ecLSp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFfMmQM3L-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHuSa4Xf45s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqzW367xlIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvHlwNvXaM

Yes, but it would have to be well implemented or the games would have to be designed "ground up" for it.

Some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60iE-ecLSp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFfMmQM3L-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHuSa4Xf45s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqzW367xlIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvHlwNvXaM

nameless12345

People would've booed Microsoft if they showed those demos. 

Are you interested in playing games like that?

If you've ever played a simulation (flight, racing, military, etc) with voice commands, head-tracking, and gesture-control then you'll know that something like Kinect can have a purpose. Those setups can be pretty spendy on PC, so it's doubtful.

I'd love to see the extra level of immersion, and interaction, that could be brought to a title like Forza, and potentially other simulators, as well as other genres even. 

If you've ever played a simulation (flight, racing, military, etc) with voice commands, head-tracking, and gesture-control then you'll know that something like Kinect can have a purpose. Those setups can be pretty spendy on PC, so it's doubtful.

 

I'd love to see the extra level of immersion, and interaction, that could be brought to a title like Forza, and potentially other simulators, as well as other genres even. 

Ly_the_Fairy

If you've ever played a simulation (flight, racing, military, etc) with voice commands, head-tracking, and gesture-control then you'll know that something like Kinect can have a purpose. Those setups can be pretty spendy on PC, so it's doubtful.

 

I'd love to see the extra level of immersion, and interaction, that could be brought to a title like Forza, and potentially other simulators, as well as other genres even. 

Ly_the_Fairy

I kind of noticed there are plenty of Xbox fans who support Microsoft direction of bundling Kinect with every console next gen.

All in the hopes of having developers somewhat encouraged to design titles that could potentially interest core gamers and not just families with kids.

For that I was wondering if anyone could envisage a scenario where Kinect addition to a game could be of interest to core gamers.

I noticed Microsoft themselves along with talented 3rd party partners couldn't make a case for it at E3 in that regard.

Which evidently led to the conclusion that they either didn't have a vision of its purpose and for what it was made while designing it, or it was intended by design to address casual games / TV remote scenarios only.

So what you say SW, can you envisage a scenario where it would be appealing to you?

Mystery_Writer

i doubt it not counting things like making the spells in skyrim easier to use.

that was about the only decent thing i have ever seen it accomplish.

Child of Eden's Kinect controls were of SOME interest to core gamers.

Other than that, I don't know, maybe make. . .

Laser Harp Hero?

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Yes, but it would have to be well implemented or the games would have to be designed "ground up" for it.

Some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60iE-ecLSp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFfMmQM3L-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHuSa4Xf45s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqzW367xlIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvHlwNvXaM

Mystery_Writer

People would've booed Microsoft if they showed those demos. 

Are you interested in playing games like that?

I would be willing to try out a game using the Oculus + Kinect combo.

I think this combo could be great for first-person and simulation type games. (in combination with some traditional controllers like wheels, joysticks, lightguns, ect.)

Yes. Steel Battalion could have been amazing if they hadn't completely shit all over everything.

Like if the game used the controller to some degree.

....and the controls were way less obnoxious in general.

....and if they completely redid every aspect of the gameplay even outside the awful controls.

Then it could have been great.

lol core gamers

Children of Eden?

Maybe combined with oculus rift, you can have a virtual reality game:cool:

deeliman

Children of Eden?

PsychoLemons

lol no Kinect is a piece of shit that will never be useful for gaming.

If you've ever played a simulation (flight, racing, military, etc) with voice commands, head-tracking, and gesture-control then you'll know that something like Kinect can have a purpose. Those setups can be pretty spendy on PC, so it's doubtful.

 

I'd love to see the extra level of immersion, and interaction, that could be brought to a title like Forza, and potentially other simulators, as well as other genres even. 

Ly_the_Fairy

A game that uses kinect as it's primary controller..... no, or atleast extremely unlikely.

I think a game can be better with kinect though, NFS:MW and ME3's kinect functions were good time savers.

[QUOTE="PsychoLemons"]

Children of Eden?

superclocked

For ANY one with any kind of imagination the obvious answer is YES but Cows are just like Sony they have zero imagination left that is why they lack any originality. All I have been hearing from Cows moos is that they HATE change and that change is terrible for this industry. That is why the Cows won't ever try something different and always have to criticize anyone that does try something different. That is why the PlayStation has used basically the same exact controller since PS1. That is why the PS service has always been a step behind Xbox Live sitting back and copying what MS does. Cows and Sony are stuck in the past.

i doubt it not counting things like making the spells in skyrim easier to use.

that was about the only decent thing i have ever seen it accomplish.

Riverwolf007

For ANY one with any kind of imagination the obvious answer is YES but Cows are just like Sony they have zero imagination left that is why they lack any originality. All I have been hearing from Cows moos is that they HATE change and that change is terrible for this industry. That is why the Cows won't ever try something different and always have to criticize anyone that does try something different. That is why the PlayStation has used basically the same exact controller since PS1. That is why the PS service has always been a step behind Xbox Live sitting back and copying what MS does. Cows and Sony are stuck in the past.

EG101

[QUOTE="PsychoLemons"]

Children of Eden?

superclocked

Lol, it's Child of Eden not Children, I do you a habit of saying Children over Child.

Anyways, like the previous user said, it is short but a fun game with all the colours and rhythm.

I could see a survival horror game in the likes of Last of Us would benefit greatly from Kinect or the PSEye. Imagine having to craft your items by having to mimic the motions needed. If your arm, leg, or abs, is injured, then doing a wrapping motion around those areas. I think it is possible. And I am a Cow.CrownedClownAg

I'm sorry, but to be honest everyone seems to keep coming up with silly ideas for using it in this thread, but when push come to shove and a Kinect game forces them to flail their hands to wrap wounds, or do whatever unnecessary motion they think its cool before trying it, they will most probably be the first to call it an utterly silly and unnecessary gimmick.

Someone just posted a video of a person running on the spot in front of Kinect to register running in Mirror's Edge while holding the controller in one hand to steer.

Believe it or not, the guy who posted that video seemed genuinely convinced that he was presenting Kinect in good light (the gist of his post was like 'there you go, check out those videos that will totally make the case for it')

What I gathered from that is MS themselves unfortunately share the same traits as many here, they seem to lack the right vision to discern what does and doesn't make sense.

It's true that most Kinect games on the 360 are for the casual player, I only tried a few that barely held my interest, but there were a few others that got great reviews that I didn't get a chance to play, but if memory serves me right none of those were really aimed at the core player. I enojyed the voice integration more than anything and I liked what they did with Mass Effect 3(voice command integration in every cutscene) and to a lesser degree in the last 2 Forza games.

I definitely think they could make a very good kinect-heavy game targeted at the core audience, one which would have a good balance between contoller-voice-gesture(and not just gesture-based) commands, and with the X1 we will likely see a game like this since everyone will have a Kinect 2.0, which will make it much easier for a developper to integrate it in their games.

No

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Kinect came out in 2010. If they havent been able to come up with a kinect specific title by now I doubt they ever will.

dont confuse true core gamers with brocasuals who are slightly more core than straight up casuals.

The awnser will be F*ck no!!!!!!!!!!!!!kinect can go to hell in a handbasket.

dont confuse true core gamers with brocasuals who are slightly more core than straight up casuals.

 

The awnser will be F*ck no!!!!!!!!!!!!!kinect can go to hell in a handbasket.

pcgamingowns

Wow, people have stooped to adding spectrums of casualness/coreness. :lol:

Yes, but it would have to be well implemented or the games would have to be designed "ground up" for it.

Some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60iE-ecLSp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFfMmQM3L-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHuSa4Xf45s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqzW367xlIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvHlwNvXaM

nameless12345

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Yes, but it would have to be well implemented or the games would have to be designed "ground up" for it.

Some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60iE-ecLSp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFfMmQM3L-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHuSa4Xf45s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqzW367xlIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvHlwNvXaM

AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Yes, but it would have to be well implemented or the games would have to be designed "ground up" for it.

Some examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60iE-ecLSp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFfMmQM3L-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHuSa4Xf45s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqzW367xlIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDvHlwNvXaM

AmazonTreeBoa

Well something like this is the wet dreams of every hardcore Arma player.

In general, simulation enthusiasts have been using things like head trackers, simulator chairs, VR helmets and motion-controllers for a while now.

Kinect and Oculus (and even Wiimote) are steps closer to "proper" VR so they deserve some applause for this.

But of course these devices should be optional rather than "showed down the throat".