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#1 Ghosts4ever
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Hello friends

When Halo was released. it was being criticize for having 2 weapon limits and regen health (Halo 1 has partial regen health while others have complete) and it was true that compare to other PC FPS, it was pale in comparision. but recently played Halo CE remaster on PC. it never actually either hold our hands nor it actually interrupt me for cutscene over and over again to the point i realize that Halo is much better than third person movie games. or rather cinematic FPS like COD, wolfenstein, bioshock infinite and others.

Compare to cinematic third person games like tomb raider, uncharted or terrible cover shooter like gears. Halo is masterpiece compare to those games imo. atleast Halo has too much gameplay.

of course it cant be compare to Half life or Doom etc.

so my friends, what do you think? lets discuss

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#2 cainetao11
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I disagree. It holds its place with Doom or Half Life but thats besides the point.

Is it better than 3rd person cinematic games? That depends on the game and the Halo installment in question.

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Halo was absolutely phenomenal. I didn't know that there was a complaint about the 2 weapon limit. I thought I remembered it being considered a cool shift because it made the game more "realistic" and challenging.

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#4 Ghosts4ever
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@cainetao11 said:

I disagree. It holds its place with Doom or Half Life but thats besides the point.

Halo guy is basically Doom guy but less of badass.

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@ghosts4ever said:
@cainetao11 said:

I disagree. It holds its place with Doom or Half Life but thats besides the point.

Halo guy is basically Doom guy but less of badass.

Shoots Pokemon, not demons.

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@ghosts4ever said:
@cainetao11 said:

I disagree. It holds its place with Doom or Half Life but thats besides the point.

Halo guy is basically Doom guy but less of badass.

Not really. John 117 has a fleshed out backstory and character. Doom guy doesnt. Spare me that bullshit.

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#7 nepu7supastar7
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@ghosts4ever:

Personally, I think Halo is much better than Half Life. Maybe not EXACTLY on the level of Doom but it's almost there. In a way, Mast Chief is basically a modern Doomed Marine.

*He slays thousands of aliens.

*Is deemed the most dangerous human to the Covenant.

*Destroys and murders everything in his path.

*Quiet but deadly personality.

*Always thrown against all odds.

I guess Gordon Freeman was like that too but at least the supporting characters around him view him more as just a hero.

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#8 VFighter
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Never cared for Halo, I loved the character, the world and story/lore of the first game, but the campaign was garbage IMO. But the game was more about the MP side of things and that's were most peoples love for the game lies.

So for me personally, I'll take a great cinematic game over halo any day of the week, just because its more to my liking. Like God of War (2018), just got the platinum trophy for it and its now one of the best games Ive played in the last few gens.

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@nepu7supastar7 said:

@ghosts4ever:

Personally, I think Halo is much better than Half Life. Maybe not EXACTLY on the level of Doom but it's almost there. In a way, Mast Chief is basically a modern Doomed Marine.

*He slays thousands of aliens.

*Is deemed the most dangerous human to the Covenant.

*Destroys and murders everything in his path.

*Quiet but deadly personality.

*Always thrown against all odds.

I guess Gordon Freeman was like that too but at least the supporting characters around him view him more as just a hero.

Doom slayer doesnot need squad. he is one man war against demonic forces.

Here master chief is hero but he has entire squad as back. sometimes fight along with them.

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@vfighter said:

Never cared for Halo, I loved the character, the world and story/lore of the first game, but the campaign was garbage IMO. But the game was more about the MP side of things and that's were most peoples love for the game lies.

MP in Halo absolutely suck i cant understand why its popular in first place. Halo is about war between humans and alien forces with master chief is hero who save.

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@ghosts4ever:

Master Chief only had a squad in Halo 5 though. From Halo 1-4, he was by himself 95% of the time.

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#12 Archangel3371
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I love Halo but I don’t think that I’d say it’s better the a whole genre of games. I do enjoy it more then Half-Life and Doom though. I love both the single player campaign and online multiplayer of the Halo games, they are both terrifically fun stuff.

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#13  Edited By iambatman7986
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That is a blanket question that I cannot answer. There are some Halo games which are better than some 3rd person games while some 3rd person games are better than some Halo games.

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#14 VFighter
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@iambatman7986: Best answer by far, end of thread.

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#15  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@iambatman7986 said:

That is a blanket question that I cannot answer. There are some Halo games which are better than some 3rd person games while some 3rd person games are better than some Halo games.

my point is not towards every 3rd person game but towards cinematic third person game as games like Mafia and Max Payne easily blow Halo out of water while Halo blow Gears, Tomb raider and uncharted out of water.

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#16 SOedipus
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I don’t think so. I could never really get into the Halo series. I beat the first two games and stopped somewhere in the third. Just can’t take the series seriously. The enemies are ridiculous and couldn’t care less about the good guys.

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@cainetao11 said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@cainetao11 said:

I disagree. It holds its place with Doom or Half Life but thats besides the point.

Halo guy is basically Doom guy but less of badass.

Not really. John 117 has a fleshed out backstory and character. Doom guy doesnt. Spare me that bullshit.

Yeah I like his story, in addition to the other Spartans.

Dr. Whatever-her-name (Halsey?) is also a neat character, sort of the "mother" to these super soldiers, but also a little evil as well. Essentially kidnapping children, replacing them with clones that would die young, then experimenting on them to the point most would die.

Also Cortana is a great character.

I mean for a shooter, Halo probably has one of the better stories, one of the better lores.

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#18  Edited By Vaasman
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No. For example, Barbie's Horse Adventure is third person and easily dumps all over all the garbage FPS games you like, it is objectively better. Halo, more like Failo.

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#19 jg4xchamp
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Yes, because multiplayer.

Let us use this moment to remember that Ghost does not know to AD Strafe.

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#20  Edited By JustPlainLucas
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Depends on what you prefer. Presentation or gameplay? I tend to enjoy cutscenes just because I like having breaks from the gameplay.

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#21 deactivated-5e90a3763ea91
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Generally I like the Halo games better than most cinematic third-person games. I tend to lean more towards games with more gameplay than games with a heavily cinematic presentation.

Halo has cutscenes, but a lot of the story is sort of told on the fly as you are engaging in skirmishes or wandering through ancient buildings. Between Cortana in your helmet and other marines or allies communicating with you, you get alerted to most events on the go.

I could really talk all day about what makes Halo campaigns and multiplayer great. But that's my opinion. And I am a few games behind in the series, so I realize a lot of my biggest Halo moments came from CE, 3 and ODST.

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@jg4xchamp said:

Yes, because multiplayer.

and thats why series become bad after first game. Halo 1 was SP game. then 2 to onwards focus on MP.

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@ghosts4ever said:

and thats why

The series was more successful and had better games when the glorious MP was running the show and promptly became compromised when the mp got worse, and they added a studio way too into the extended universe and wanting to tell a story.

Once again Champ has shown that gameplay n multiplayer drive the medium forward, and single player only people are pathetic social rejects without friends and handcuff the greater potential of the medium, because they couldn't be bothered to get into a real story telling medium.

One day we shall all thank Champ, wonderful saint of a human being for his wisdom n sacrifice.

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#24 uninspiredcup
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MDK can be completed in 2 hours, best TPS.

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#25 Ghosts4ever
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@jg4xchamp said:
@ghosts4ever said:

and thats why

The series was more successful and had better games when the glorious MP was running the show and promptly became compromised when the mp got worse, and they added a studio way too into the extended universe and wanting to tell a story.

Once again Champ has shown that gameplay n multiplayer drive the medium forward, and single player only people are pathetic social rejects without friends and handcuff the greater potential of the medium, because they couldn't be bothered to get into a real story telling medium.

One day we shall all thank Champ, wonderful saint of a human being for his wisdom n sacrifice.

Then explain me why Doomguy... I mean Masterchief is icon of Halo series? why a war between Humanity and Aliens/Convenant forces define the series?

many people consider original best one because it was SP game, although i do find its repetitive copy paste design but then series just become popular on MP. and popularity =/= quality.

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@ghosts4ever said:

Then explain me why Doomguy... I mean Masterchief is icon of Halo series?

Because he's the guy on the box. Mother fuckers know who Ronald McDonald is, but the cartoon isn't more important than their shitty burgers that they can make in under a minute. Likewise the multiplayer is the fun, but you social reject losers need a mascot, an identifier or yah wouldn't know if you are purchasing the correct thing. Mouth droolers that you are, you need stuff like that.

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lol

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@uninspiredcup said:

MDK can be completed in 2 hours, best TPS.

MDK is mediocre cartoonish third person game. Mafia 1 the best TPS. along with Max payne.

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#29  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@ghosts4ever said:
@uninspiredcup said:

MDK can be completed in 2 hours, best TPS.

MDK is mediocre cartoonish third person game. Mafia 1 the best TPS. along with Max payne.

Even the Digital Foundry man refers to with with awe and reverence as a "masterpiece", and these guys are gaming experts.

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Max Payne is good though, realizing he is in a video game is such profound.

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#30 jg4xchamp
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MDK does suck. An absolute example of Cup will gas up any piece of shit, because he was challenged as a toddler as couldn't find a youtube video of anyone finding a cheese strat, since the whole game can just be beating by circle strafing. Don't worry nothing will hit you, none of the enemies can actually deal with a circle strafe and they couldn't bothered to add any interesting enemy mixes to make up for that.

An indictment on cup, and dhalsim player Conan, because you know his dumb ass gave it a spin only to quickly realize "wow, this game fucking sucks"

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Yeah halo is better imo

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Ghost hates third person shooters because it's to hard for him to control.

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#33 ConanTheStoner
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Damn bro, you got Tormentos lvl receipts here.

Choosing team Cup on this one, DF is always right.

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#34  Edited By jg4xchamp
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@warmblur said:

Ghost hates third person shooters because it's to hard for him to control.

and multiplayer

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The roastening is upon us Cup.

About to leave work tho. Gonna go buy a shopping cart full of tp and forget SW exists for a while.

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@warmblur said:

Ghost hates third person shooters because it's to hard for him to control.

or third person shooters are not masterpiece anymore like Mafia and Max payne.

why would i like shitty cover based shooters or movie games like tomb raider?

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@ConanTheStoner said:

The roastening is upon us Cup.

About to leave work tho. Gonna go buy a shopping cart full of tp and forget SW exists for a while.

real Gs get bidets. not surprised smooth brain Street Fighter players don't have bidets.

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@jg4xchamp:

Had em at the old place breh.

Not gonna lie, felt super gross for a while after not having one. But I mean, Wisconsin. Be proud of me for not using an outhouse.

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Fps is better than 3rd person shooter.

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#40  Edited By jg4xchamp
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@ConanTheStoner said:

@jg4xchamp:

Had em at the old place breh.

Not gonna lie, felt super gross for a while after not having one. But I mean, Wisconsin. Be proud of me for not using an outhouse.

damn literally downgraded as a human bean by changing zipcodes. Absolute state lmao

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#41  Edited By cainetao11
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@ghosts4ever said:
@nepu7supastar7 said:

@ghosts4ever:

Personally, I think Halo is much better than Half Life. Maybe not EXACTLY on the level of Doom but it's almost there. In a way, Mast Chief is basically a modern Doomed Marine.

*He slays thousands of aliens.

*Is deemed the most dangerous human to the Covenant.

*Destroys and murders everything in his path.

*Quiet but deadly personality.

*Always thrown against all odds.

I guess Gordon Freeman was like that too but at least the supporting characters around him view him more as just a hero.

Doom slayer doesnot need squad. he is one man war against demonic forces.

Here master chief is hero but he has entire squad as back. sometimes fight along with them.

Master chief doesnt need a squad either. Only in 5 does he have one. What about 1-4? You dont know what youre talking about.

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@cainetao11 said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@cainetao11 said:

I disagree. It holds its place with Doom or Half Life but thats besides the point.

Halo guy is basically Doom guy but less of badass.

Not really. John 117 has a fleshed out backstory and character. Doom guy doesnt. Spare me that bullshit.

Yeah I like his story, in addition to the other Spartans.

Dr. Whatever-her-name (Halsey?) is also a neat character, sort of the "mother" to these super soldiers, but also a little evil as well. Essentially kidnapping children, replacing them with clones that would die young, then experimenting on them to the point most would die.

Also Cortana is a great character.

I mean for a shooter, Halo probably has one of the better stories, one of the better lores.

Agreed. Ghost doesnt have a clue

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#43 jg4xchamp
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Agreed. Ghost doesnt have a clue

Y'all need to stop humoring his posts directly. He is one of the worst shit posters on this forum, he does not acknowledge a debate point, and will routinely do the same bullshit circular logic.

It is much better if you use him as a platform to shit post yourself and just dunk on him. Never 5get that he needed 55 saves on Resi 2 remake on easy.

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@jg4xchamp said:

Y'all need to stop humoring his posts directly. He is one of the worst shit posters on this forum, he does not acknowledge a debate point, and will routinely do the same bullshit circular logic.

champ, I respect your gimmick. a gimmick of always wrong.

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Between 3rd person narrative driven games and Halo... it's pretty clear that Halo is the better FPS. *shrugs*

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@ghosts4ever said:
@jg4xchamp said:

Y'all need to stop humoring his posts directly. He is one of the worst shit posters on this forum, he does not acknowledge a debate point, and will routinely do the same bullshit circular logic.

champ, I respect your gimmick. a gimmick of always wrong.

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champ, I respect you so much. You're the best thing going on in my life

I know buddy, I know.

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@cainetao11 said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@nepu7supastar7 said:

@ghosts4ever:

Personally, I think Halo is much better than Half Life. Maybe not EXACTLY on the level of Doom but it's almost there. In a way, Mast Chief is basically a modern Doomed Marine.

*He slays thousands of aliens.

*Is deemed the most dangerous human to the Covenant.

*Destroys and murders everything in his path.

*Quiet but deadly personality.

*Always thrown against all odds.

I guess Gordon Freeman was like that too but at least the supporting characters around him view him more as just a hero.

Doom slayer doesnot need squad. he is one man war against demonic forces.

Here master chief is hero but he has entire squad as back. sometimes fight along with them.

Master chief doesnt need a squad either. Only in 5 does he have one. What about 1-4? You dont know what youre talking about.

not squad. but he has entire army behind back. yes he fight alone most of time but lot of time there are marines who fight along with him.

in case of Doom slayer. he fight alone with demons.

masterchief armor also inspired by Doomguy armor. He is based on Doom guy.

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@JustPlainLucas said:

Depends on what you prefer. Presentation or gameplay? I tend to enjoy cutscenes just because I like having breaks from the gameplay.

That's what the pause button is for.

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@ghosts4ever:

"masterchief armor also inspired by Doomguy armor. He is based on Doom guy."

- I'm confused. So then are you saying that Master Chief is NOT like Doom Guy or that he is? Because I've been saying that he is. Besides, the Marines deployed in levels are pretty static. They'll fight the Covenant too but they don't actually follow you on your missions.