Is Deathloop the only FPS this year that can stand toe to toe with Doom Eternal?

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#1 Ghosts4ever
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After the recent event. we saw the reveal of new Halo game that looks underwelmingly, STALKER 2 not coming out this year. Cyberpunk is more of FPS/RPG rather than FPS.

so this game (again publish by Bethesda) made by arkane who knows how to create immersive experience making this new ip FPS as one of the most innovative and original title.

I feel like this is the FPS game of 2020 that looks best next to Doom Eternal. the unique timeloop element, having AI or another player can invade your game as other character, and knowing arkane they are expert on level design as we have seen in Prey and Dishonored.

also glad they are doing something new other than making reboots and sequel.

This probably going to be the best new ip of next gen. the amazing start of next gen.

so friends, do we believe this game is the game that can stand toe to toe with Doom Eternal?

lets discuss

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It's being made by Machinegames, so it'll be better than DOOM Eternal.

Wolfenstein > DOOM

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What about Half-Life: Alyx?

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#4 JasonOfA36
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Doom: Eternal? Not a high bar then.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

It's being made by Machinegames, so it'll be better than DOOM Eternal.

Wolfenstein > DOOM

Arkane actually, not machinegames.

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#6 sakaiXx
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Yes.

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Not a chance as a pure FPS. There is nothing out there like Doom Eternal... we have not seen an FPS with that kind of mobility. When everything is clicking in that game it can be some of the most graceful carnage in gaming.

That being said, Deathloop's hook will be all about learning how to get to all your targets in 1 run. I encourage you to check out Prey: Mooncrash if you haven't... This seems like they took those concepts from the DLC and fleshed it out for a full game.

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@ghosts4ever said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

It's being made by Machinegames, so it'll be better than DOOM Eternal.

Wolfenstein > DOOM

Arkane actually, not machinegames.

New Wolfenstein games are still better then Doom Eternal though you don't have to do a QTE to kill every enemy LMAO casual AF.

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#9  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@warmblur: because entire wolfenstein is movie game. Now its one of those dumbed down game you shill lol. Absolute state of warmblur.

Eternal is waayy too hard for you.

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#10  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@enzyme36 said:

Not a chance as a pure FPS. There is nothing out there like Doom Eternal... we have not seen an FPS with that kind of mobility. When everything is clicking in that game it can be some of the most graceful carnage in gaming.

That being said, Deathloop's hook will be all about learning how to get to all your targets in 1 run. I encourage you to check out Prey: Mooncrash if you haven't... This seems like they took those concepts from the DLC and fleshed it out for a full game.

Excluding mods, still Quake 3 has more mobility and momentum when played right. Basically pond skipping, combined with rocket jumping and what not to keep and increase momentum. I think the thing I like more about that is that momentum is skill based on the player far more so than artificially automated, Doom: Eternal is almost too kind with it's mobility as to be comparatively unsatisfying.

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#11  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Think they (the advertisers) done a poor job of introducing the game. It's like we're watching a third or fourth trailer than being introduced to a new IP.

Probably really could have had a dev sit down and do a 5-10 minute play-though, resulting in a less tepid response.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@enzyme36 said:

Not a chance as a pure FPS. There is nothing out there like Doom Eternal... we have not seen an FPS with that kind of mobility. When everything is clicking in that game it can be some of the most graceful carnage in gaming.

That being said, Deathloop's hook will be all about learning how to get to all your targets in 1 run. I encourage you to check out Prey: Mooncrash if you haven't... This seems like they took those concepts from the DLC and fleshed it out for a full game.

Excluding mods, still Quake 3 has more mobility and momentum when played right. Basically pond skipping, combined with rocket jumping and what not to keep and increase momentum. I think the thing I like more about that is that momentum is skill based on the player far more so than artificially automated, Doom: Eternal is almost too kind with it's mobility as to be comparatively unsatisfying.

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The quake pros are in such control of their characters, they do stuff I would never be able to pull off. Watching these matches are a lot of fun... the sensitivity on these crosshairs is just insane.

Doom is probably the dumbed down version of this that make simpletons like myself feel like they can pull off some acrobats.

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@enzyme36 said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@enzyme36 said:

Not a chance as a pure FPS. There is nothing out there like Doom Eternal... we have not seen an FPS with that kind of mobility. When everything is clicking in that game it can be some of the most graceful carnage in gaming.

That being said, Deathloop's hook will be all about learning how to get to all your targets in 1 run. I encourage you to check out Prey: Mooncrash if you haven't... This seems like they took those concepts from the DLC and fleshed it out for a full game.

Excluding mods, still Quake 3 has more mobility and momentum when played right. Basically pond skipping, combined with rocket jumping and what not to keep and increase momentum. I think the thing I like more about that is that momentum is skill based on the player far more so than artificially automated, Doom: Eternal is almost too kind with it's mobility as to be comparatively unsatisfying.

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The quake pros are in such control of their characters, they do stuff I would never be able to pull off. Watching these matches are a lot of fun... the sensitivity on these crosshairs is just insane.

Doom is probably the dumbed down version of this that make simpletons like myself feel like they can pull off some acrobats.

I mean at the end of the day, if having fun, who gives a shit either way, right? For an SP game it probably does make more sense when you're working with that type of gameplay as opposed to something primarily designed for MP with real human opponents.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

It's being made by Machinegames, so it'll be better than DOOM Eternal.

Wolfenstein > DOOM

Machinegames?!

I thought it was being made by Arkane since they announce it over at E3 2019 or am I missing something?

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#15 Ghosts4ever
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The 3Ds of 2020 will rule.

Doom Eternal

Desperados 3

Deathloop

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@ghosts4ever said:
@R4gn4r0k said:

It's being made by Machinegames, so it'll be better than DOOM Eternal.

Wolfenstein > DOOM

Arkane actually, not machinegames.

Was about to add this to my mental avoid list before you corrected them. Machinegames suck.

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#18 lifelessablaze
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Halo Infinite looks way better than that piece of trash tbh.

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@dxmcat: if quake was done in 2009. Doom Eternal is Modern Sp quake game.

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#20 hardwenzen
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Nothing will beat Eternal in 2020. CP2077 will be better, but its an rpg. TLOU2 is a bit better, but its a survival tps. Pure FPS wise, Eternal will be the best for this year and most likely of the generation.

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Doom bashing aside, death loop looks extremely promising!

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@ghosts4ever said:

@dxmcat: if quake was done in 2009. Doom Eternal is Modern Sp quake game.

No it isnt.

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I'm not sold on this one yet.

But Arkane are gods among devs at this point for their level design and fun play-your-way style.

Keeping an eye on it.

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#24  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@dxmcat said:
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lol not even today man, this is what you get when you boot up Doom 64, everytime, unskippable unless you actually go in and delete the files within the folder.

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@dxmcat: It is, fast paced double jumping etc. Its Doom mix with Quake.

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#26 dxmcat
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@ghosts4ever: Still no. You'd be the last person to know wht speed is.

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#27 Sevenizz
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OP still obsessed with the mediocre Doom game eh?

‘After the recent event. we saw the reveal of new Halo game that looks underwhelming’

Quite the opposite.

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#28  Edited By Macutchi
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i was a bit nonplussed when i first saw deathloop at the ps5 unveiling but the more i see of it the more i think it could be something pretty special. looks like dishonored meets bioshock meets hitman. sounds good to me. someone on here said it looks like how stealthgamerbr plays dishonored on his youtube vids. i think that's a good assessment and an exciting prospect, particularly with dl looking like it puts more emphasis on gun based combat.

as cup said a developer led demo would be useful. i wanna know if deathloop means permadeath and you have to start a mission over if you die. that'd be an interesting spin. and how does the rival assassin bit work - is she going for the same targets as you or just coming after you.

as for standing toe to toe with doom eternal, doom to me is more of a pure fps so not all that comparable. more that deathloop will be a nice complement to doom as a hybrid shooter-cum-stealth game

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@dxmcat: dashing, air dashing. So much fun.

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#30 DrLostRib
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so what's the likeliness of TC bitching about Deathloop when it releases?

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#31 dxmcat
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on topic, looks pretty sub-standard to me.

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#32 ZmanBarzel
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Oh, that’s right: “Doom Eternal” came out this year. Jeez did that game pass like a fart in the wind.

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#33 deactivated-63d1ad7651984
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@zmanbarzel said:

Oh, that’s right: “Doom Eternal” came out this year. Jeez did that game pass like a fart in the wind.

Agree it's pretty forgettable not like Ghost of Tsushima best new IP in years.

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No...nothing can stand next to DOOM:Eternal. Just like 2016 DOOM...it's in a league of it's own

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Deathloop looks like trash

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#36  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@warmblur said:
@zmanbarzel said:

Oh, that’s right: “Doom Eternal” came out this year. Jeez did that game pass like a fart in the wind.

Agree it's pretty forgettable not like Ghost of Tsushima best new IP in years.

Ghost of shusima. lol lets praise another movie game.

btw modders will save my STALKER 2, modders wont do anything with your far cry 6 which will be another open world movie game LMAO!!

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It's Arkane so I have high hopes for the game. They haven't disappointed me yet.

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#38 Ghosts4ever
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@dxmcat: Its an immersive sim like prey. Arkane make unique kind of FPS games.

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doom used to be a fps about exploration to survive, now it's just wave based/quake 3 arena with scripted kills lol throwing health at you .

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#40  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@ps5rulez: if they dont throe health, you keep dying. Doom Eternal is type of game that check player skills and reflection.

Stop playing in on easy. Play it on nightmare and many of you wont survive.

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#41 ps5rulez
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@ghosts4ever: it's not hard in actually being hard its just alot of cheesing/cheap deaths man throwing wave after wave til you make a mistake lol it's not legit hard tho.

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#42  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@ps5rulez: translation. I keep dying, lets blame on game.

Eternal even make Halflife 2 feel like casual.

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#43 sovkhan
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You are such a deluded fella...

What did Doom Eternal bring that wasn't around for decades???

Maybe you are too new to video games otherwise you should have known that long ago.

And don' bother with mobility and verticality, if you were around in the early 2000 and tried something like Tribes or Quake3, you would know what i mean.

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@Sevenizz said:

OP still obsessed with the mediocre Doom game eh?

‘After the recent event. we saw the reveal of new Halo game that looks underwhelming’

Quite the opposite.

New Doom is pretty great on PC. Can't imagine it being half as fun on controller due to the slow aiming and turning.

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@zaryia: but some PC frauds declare it as console game to be design with controller. Disgusting.

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#46  Edited By Zaryia
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@ghosts4ever said:

@zaryia: but some PC frauds declare it as console game to be design with controller. Disgusting.

It's a disaster on controller and under 100 fps/hz. They are full of shit and being too nostalgic. It's like movie nerds who cry about old comic book movies being better even though the newest ones are 10x better. Donner's Superman is barely watchable after the first act.

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@zaryia: Its true. PC games get dumbed down brcause of console limitation it was even proven by warren spector himself.as he declare Deus Ex 2 was mistake.

Series x hardware is as strong as high end gaming PC so its hard for games for having heldback.

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#48  Edited By Zaryia
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@ghosts4ever said:

@zaryia: Its true. PC games get dumbed down brcause of console limitation it was even proven by warren spector himself.as he declare Deus Ex 2 was mistake.

Series x hardware is as strong as high end gaming PC so its hard for games for having heldback.

Well that used to be an issue when that power couldn't go anywhere. But now I don't mind too much for the "heldback" games anymore, as monitors are now pushing really high HZ and latency; and I can just use that extra power saved from "heldback" to be used towards getting ludicrous Frame Rates and the game feeling way way better.

But new cards and processors will release soon so we'll see. Both consoles will be far behind again by 2021.

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Gameplay looks fun but the I'm not convinced by the tone of the game. Looks a bit Fortnite in style and the violence seems quite teen friendly, Ragdolls are pretty cool mind you. Arkane are great devs so I have faith.