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#1 dontshackzmii
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It seems games like cod are nothing more then military hardware por n. Do you think the army is trying to raise a nation of jarheads for future wars like iran?

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#2 fueled-system
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You cant be serious... If anything it is anti war with what happens in MW2 and MW3.
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#3 DigitalExile
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No.

Next question?

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#4 Tikeio
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It seems games like cod are nothing more then military hardware porn.

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#5 15strong
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No. America's Army is propaganda. It is the offical video game used to recruit. If COD is propaganda, then so is Saving Private Ryan.

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#6 Grawse
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Yep. Sure they are 12 now, but in no time they will be 360 no scoping people in the middle east.

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#7 dontshackzmii
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The military industrial complex could be funding games like cod to get 18 year olds to join up.

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#8 Lionheart08
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Call of Duty promotes joining the army about as much as Grand Theft Auto convinces people to become serial killers.

[spoiler] Jack Thompson was right! [/spoiler]

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#9 GD1551
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The military industrial complex could be funding games like cod to get 18 year olds to join up.

dontshackzmii

How so?

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#10 peterw007
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You do have an interesting argument there, TC.

There is evidence that shooters do convince youth in some capacity (as shown by the success of America's Army).

Whether or not it applies with Call of Duty is unclear though.

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#11 dontshackzmii
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

The military industrial complex could be funding games like cod to get 18 year olds to join up.

GD1551

How so?

come on most teens want to join to play with guns.

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#12 Link3301
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It seems games like cod are nothing more then military hardware por n. Do you think the army is trying to raise a nation of jarheads for future wars like iran?

dontshackzmii

Don't hat on mah military hardware pron.

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#13 Jebus213
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No. America's Army is propaganda. It is the offical video game used to recruit. If COD is propaganda, then so is Saving Private Ryan.

15strong
Something that blatantly tells you it's a recruitment tool.
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It seems games like cod are nothing more then military hardware por n. Do you think the army is trying to raise a nation of jarheads for future wars like iran?

dontshackzmii

Are you joking?How can the COD franchise be porn?

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#15 DireOwl
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I'm pretty sure military based games were the player characters routinely get killed and have nukes dropped all around them would be a deterrent to joining the military.

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#16 peterw007
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

It seems games like cod are nothing more then military hardware por n. Do you think the army is trying to raise a nation of jarheads for future wars like iran?

super600

Are you joking?How can the COD franchise be porn?

He's using the word in a figurative sense to mean idealized, where games like COD would foster a love for military technology and hardware.

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[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

It seems games like cod are nothing more then military hardware por n. Do you think the army is trying to raise a nation of jarheads for future wars like iran?

peterw007

Are you joking?How can the COD franchise be porn?

He's using the word in a figurative sense to mean idealized, where games like COD would foster a love for military technology and hardware.

Okay then.

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#18 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

The military industrial complex could be funding games like cod to get 18 year olds to join up.

dontshackzmii

How so?

come on most teens want to join to play with guns.

You can do that without joining the army, at least in the US.

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#19 15strong
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[QUOTE="15strong"]

No. America's Army is propaganda. It is the offical video game used to recruit. If COD is propaganda, then so is Saving Private Ryan.

Jebus213

Something that blatantly tells you it's a recruitment tool is pretty far away from being propaganda....

Propaganda can be outright and in your face. It dosen't have to be subliminal.

"Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position so as to benefit oneself or one's group."

And as far as I'm cocnerned, the army is using a videogame as a tool to influence someone to join the army. Someone thinks the game is fun and thinks being in the army would be the same. It dosen't reflect the reality of what the army is portraying. It is propaganda.

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#20 g0ddyX
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Theres something far more sinister in COD games.

Only those that know about it, will realise it.

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#21 GeoffZak
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Only people who haven't played the game would say something like that.

Same goes for most controversial games, like Grand Theft Auto.

Grand Theft Auto doesn't glorify crime or the mob, it makes stuff like that look undesirable. It makes you NOT want to get involved with the mob. Just as how Call of Duty tries to make war look bad.

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#22 peterw007
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Only people who haven't played the game would say something like that.

Same goes for most controversial games, like Grand Theft Auto.

Grand Theft Auto doesn't glorify crime or the mob, it makes stuff like that look undesirable. It makes you NOT want to get involved with the mob. Just as how Call of Duty tries to make war look bad.

GeoffZak

True, but you also have to consider the addictive element of COD (the multiplayer aspect, not the singleplayer).

If someone is addicted to a multiplayer game where they shoot and kill for fun, you have to wonder how it influences their minds.

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#23 GD1551
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="15strong"]

No. America's Army is propaganda. It is the offical video game used to recruit. If COD is propaganda, then so is Saving Private Ryan.

15strong

Something that blatantly tells you it's a recruitment tool is pretty far away from being propaganda....

Propaganda can be outright and in your face. It dosen't have to be subliminal.

And as far as I'm cocnerned, the army is using a videogame as a tool to influence someone to join the army. Someone thinks the game is fun and thinks being in the army would be the same. It dosen't reflect the reality of what the army is portraying. It is propaganda.

So assassin's creed will influence people to be assassins then? What about action movies like expandables? Proganda is when the AIM of the media is meant to influence, nothing in COD glorifies the military or encourages people to join it.

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#24 emorainbo
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People call CoD American propaganda a lot but the heroes of CoD4, MW2, and W@W were all not American.

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#25 DigitalExile
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True, but you also have to consider the addictive element of COD.

If someone is addicted to a game where they shoot and kill for fun, you have to wonder how it influences their minds.

peterw007

Addiction is a reaction to a habit. No games are inherently habitual. It's up to the users to be responsible. Also you have to give people more credit. Most people, except those prone to mental/social/psychological conditions, will play a game and leave the game when its turned off, so those it might "influence" already have issues and it's just the game being used as a catalyst but not the cause of anything.

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#26 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

Only people who haven't played the game would say something like that.

Same goes for most controversial games, like Grand Theft Auto.

Grand Theft Auto doesn't glorify crime or the mob, it makes stuff like that look undesirable. It makes you NOT want to get involved with the mob. Just as how Call of Duty tries to make war look bad.

peterw007

True, but you also have to consider the addictive element of COD (the multiplayer aspect, not the singleplayer).

If someone is addicted to a multiplayer game where they shoot and kill for fun, you have to wonder how it influences their minds.

Call of Duty does not have an addicitive element to it. Thats just someone who really enjoys video games. You can plant that on any multiplayer game these days.

Also, you speaking about how shooters are influencing childrens minds makes you sound like Jack Tompson, or someone who just hates video games.

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#27 millerlight89
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This is what happens when you give a complete idiot computer. He makes stupid **** threads.

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#28 peterw007
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

True, but you also have to consider the addictive element of COD.

If someone is addicted to a game where they shoot and kill for fun, you have to wonder how it influences their minds.

DigitalExile

Addiction is a reaction to a habit. No games are inherently habitual. It's up to the users to be responsible. Also you have to give people more credit. Most people, except those prone to mental/social/psychological conditions, will play a game and leave the game when its turned off, so those it might "influence" already have issues and it's just the game being used as a catalyst but not the cause of anything.

The addictiveness of Call of Duty sanitizes the mind to the idea of warfare.

All of a sudden, the thought of "killing the other team" in real life becomes less intimidating and more inviting, as the whole thing feels more like a game.

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Unlike other shooters, Call of Duty is special. It's one of the few war games that has penetrated millions and millions of households across the world, even in those who don't normally play video games.

It dominates Xbox Live...it is an integral part of gaming culture.

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To think that Call of Duty has no influence on impressionable youth is ludicrous.

But to think that Call of Duty is deliberated propaganda is as equally ludicrous.

I think the truth is somewhere buried between those two extremes.

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#29 LoG-Sacrament
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no, its just crap that capitalizes on propaganda.
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#30 MlauTheDaft
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If anything, it's american patritism propaganda.

Tales of american badasses, doing badass things, while being badass; Just like every single action flick to come out of Hollywood since ever.

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#31 Nonstop-Madness
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If anything, it's american patritism propaganda.

Tales of american badasses, doing badass things, while being badass; Just like every single action flick to come out of Hollywood since ever.

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Yet you mostly play as British SAS.
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#32 15strong
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[QUOTE="15strong"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] Something that blatantly tells you it's a recruitment tool is pretty far away from being propaganda.... GD1551

Propaganda can be outright and in your face. It dosen't have to be subliminal.

And as far as I'm cocnerned, the army is using a videogame as a tool to influence someone to join the army. Someone thinks the game is fun and thinks being in the army would be the same. It dosen't reflect the reality of what the army is portraying. It is propaganda.

So assassin's creed will influence people to be assassins then? What about action movies like expandables? Proganda is when the AIM of the media is meant to influence, nothing in COD glorifies the military or encourages people to join it.

I don't think you understood what I said. I said Amnerica's Army the videogame is propaganda, not COD. COD is just pure entertainment.

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#33 whiskeystrike
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No and I can't believe that people are actually agreeing with this.

War is no longer about large conventional armies but cyberwarfare, drones and tactical units. We're no longer in a time where we are preparing for a massive foot-to-foot war with Russia.

Not to mention the fact that Congress just ordered the military to cut down troops by 500,000 across all branches (I think 200,000 of those will be from the Army).

All branches of the military will become much more selective and it will be much harder to get in from now on. The military (most notably Army) will gradually lose its image of a place for college drop-outs, GED holders, etc.

One of the generals wrote in the Army times a few months ago about how he had a vision of a prestigious, selective and elite Army.

If CoD is propaganda then so is any Hollywood blockbuster movie that revolves around the military.

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#34 MlauTheDaft
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[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

If anything, it's american patritism propaganda.

Tales of american badasses, doing badass things, while being badass; Just like every single action flick to come out of Hollywood since ever.

Nonstop-Madness

Yet you mostly play as British SAS.

Which is practically the same thing in this context. The formula is still easily recognized and you're absolutely playing from a "western" perspective.

By "western", I mean that the CoD settings are'nt as easily digested in Europe, which UK is a part of.

Or I'd like to say that but your average human being is "educated" by TV, so the entire western world, has to adhere to a generation ofJersey Shore viewers.

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#35 taterfrickintot
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People call CoD American propaganda a lot but the heroes of CoD4, MW2, and W@W were all not American.

emorainbo
very true. in MW3, one of the protagonists was a russian bodyguard for the president of russia who was trying to end the war and make piece. and in MW2, the main antagonist was an american general.
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#36 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="15strong"]

Propaganda can be outright and in your face. It dosen't have to be subliminal.

And as far as I'm cocnerned, the army is using a videogame as a tool to influence someone to join the army. Someone thinks the game is fun and thinks being in the army would be the same. It dosen't reflect the reality of what the army is portraying. It is propaganda.

15strong

So assassin's creed will influence people to be assassins then? What about action movies like expandables? Proganda is when the AIM of the media is meant to influence, nothing in COD glorifies the military or encourages people to join it.

I don't think you understood what I said. I said Amnerica's Army the videogame is propaganda, not COD. COD is just pure entertainment.

I actually misquoted you.

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#37 MlauTheDaft
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[QUOTE="emorainbo"]

People call CoD American propaganda a lot but the heroes of CoD4, MW2, and W@W were all not American.

taterfrickintot

very true. in MW3, one of the protagonists was a russian bodyguard for the president of russia who was trying to end the war and make piece. and in MW2, the main antagonist was an american general.

It's not really as simple as switching a character's nationality though. Your russian protagonist is'nt very russian when he thinks like an american.

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#38 Tikeio
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True, but you also have to consider the addictive element of COD (the multiplayer aspect, not the singleplayer).

If someone is addicted to a multiplayer game where they shoot and kill for fun, you have to wonder how it influences their minds.

peterw007

Yeah, if they're retarded or mentally ill.

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#39 anthonycg
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

True, but you also have to consider the addictive element of COD (the multiplayer aspect, not the singleplayer).

If someone is addicted to a multiplayer game where they shoot and kill for fun, you have to wonder how it influences their minds.

Tikeio

Yeah, if they're retarded or mentally ill.

Actually violent media has been proven to cause desensitization to violent images in children. Where do you think those potty mouth kids on xbox live come from?

[Edit] In fact, it usually takes an insanely violent culture shock for them to realize that observing violence through a screen is different than experiencing it in real life.

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#40 SaudiFury
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in a stretched out and convoluted way i can agree that Call of Duty and other modern warfare games would be propoganda for the military.

and also i don't think COD4, MW2 or MW3 have anti-war messages, they show the gruesome part of war - sure, but i think in the end it's more pro then it is anti.

I do think that most modern warfare games trivilizes war to those who don't know any better.

I do think that every modern warfare game just plays on American glory days of 'were the good guys' and plays on Cold War feelings a lot.

and don't make mention of the rogue US general in MW2. the USA is still the white knight of the world in that one.

and for the record, despite my chastising. I still really enjoy these games all the same.

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#41 PC_Otter
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CoD is no more a military propaganda exercise than the common 80's or 90's action movie. It's too silly and unrealistic.

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#42 mlbslugger86
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*Sigh*really? if a video game influences what you believe, or think. you've got other issues

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#43 biggest_loser
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You cant be serious... If anything it is anti war with what happens in MW2 and MW3.fueled-system
I don't see how its anti-war if you "win" by killing people. I don't think the TC is entirely bonkers stating this. There's a current of nastiness creeping into the series, that is from Black Ops onwards: slow-motion throat slashing, forcing you into mini torture games, negative representations of Castro etc.

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#44 Austindro
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I prefer respawns, so no.

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#45 Austindro
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]You cant be serious... If anything it is anti war with what happens in MW2 and MW3.biggest_loser

I don't see how its anti-war if you "win" by killing people. I don't think the TC is entirely bonkers stating this. There's a current of nastiness creeping into the series, that is from Black Ops onwards: slow-motion throat slashing, forcing you into mini torture games, negative representations of Castro etc.

How is that different from any other entertainment medium.

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#46 razgriz_101
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You cant be serious... If anything it is anti war with what happens in MW2 and MW3.fueled-system

they still glorfy it and tone it back quiete a bit, a 12-13 year old without much savvy might think its like the games.As my friend in the army said if your to think any action film whether it be top gun or CoD (he's a engineer in the British Army) then you need a lobotomy at the least and are joining for the wrong reasons.

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#47 ocstew
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Yes, of course it is. This type of game glorifies war, it's not saying "join the army" but it works on a sub conscious level, the tens of hours of shooting (murdering) random Russians and American soldiers.
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It Could be Argued that Cod and other Military Shooters can subconsiously precondition/desensitize people into thinking the act of war is *some cool/fun game* and that taking a life is *trivial*

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#50 razgriz_101
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It Could be Argued that Cod and other Military Shooters can subconsiously precondition/desensitize people into thinking the act of war is *some cool/fun game* and that taking a life is *trivial*

Kandlegoat

All it needs is a right bonafide idiot.

Looks at the numerous idiotic crimes indirectly/directly related to GTA and one in particular related to manhunt.