Is 1080p really needed in games ?

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#1 loosingENDS
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I mean shouldnt every inch of power go to make games look closer to CGI in 720p, than have mediocre graphics in 1080p ?

I dont see games anywhere close to 720p movie quality yet

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#3 El_Garbanzo
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Pre-emptive damage control for nextbox 720p games

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I guess that depends on whether or not Sony/MS say its needed. If next gen games are 720p console gamers will say 1080p is unnecessary. If they are 1080p, they will claim there is no point in owning a PC
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The **** did i get a 1080p TV for

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#6 Jebus213
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Idk about you Loosey. But I watched Avatar in 1080p. /full screen
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480p is where the fun is

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#8 ronvalencia
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I mean shouldnt every inch of power go to make games look closer to CGI in 720p, than have mediocre graphics in 1080p ?

I dont see games anywhere close to 720p movie quality yet

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That's because CGI movies are rendered by farms of computers, taking hours at a time to render a single scene. In other words, NOT REAL TIME. And to answer your question, yes, 1080p is absolutely needed. The difference between 720p and 1080p is night and day, for anyone who's not blind and/or trolling system wars. That's why all those CGI movies also look better in 1080p than 720p. Just like... literally everything looks better in 1080p than 720p. It's over twice as many pixels. It's not hard to understand. If the next Playstation and Xbox have ANY games that aren't being rendered in 1080p native... well that will just be beyond pathetic.

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#10 PernicioEnigma
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What's the point in having detailed games if it's running at a resolution too low to even see that detail?
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#11 Timstuff
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Maybe you should wait until Xbox 720 is announced before making excuses for why most of its games are 720p.
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ohhh loosey i missed you. always so entertaining to here you vomit

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I dont see games anywhere close to 720p movie quality yetloosingENDS
:| you know there's a difference between games and movies, right? games will always be behind movies, because games have to process everything in real time. but to answer your question, lower levels of detail in 1080p look better than higher levels of detail in 720p
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Xbox 360:  PC:  /thread
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#16 call_of_duty_10
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Is 720p really needed in games ?

I mean shouldnt every inch of power go to make games look closer to CGI in 240p, than have mediocre graphics in 720p ?

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What's the point in having detailed games if it's running at a resolution too low to even see that detail?PernicioEnigma

Exactly. Dark Souls is a perfect example. It's certainly not a "graphics king" kind of game, even on PC, in HD, but it's shocking how much detail there is in the textures, that's completely invisible in the PS3/360 versions. You put the game on PC, give it a quick tweak to allow it to render in 1080p and, without any other alterations, all the sudden you see quite a bit of great little details, that looked like they were coated in vaseline before. The artists involved in the game drew up some beautiful, highly detailed models/textures/etc., but that sub-HD resolution is literally just not enough pixels to show all the detail that's already there.

Some people really seem to think that effects and texture details are more important than resolution, when it comes to making a game look good. That's totally ass-backwards. Obviously the effects and details help, but without high resolution, all the effects and details in the world are meaningless and might as well be invisible.

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#19 Drasonak
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You could just as easily ask, "Are video games really needed in life?" That being said, Rayman Origins didn't look that much different in 1080p or 720p. I'm pretty sure Rayman Origins was legitimate 1080p for consoles.
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#20 psymon100
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I think it's important to treat each individual pixel as an individual.

Stand up for the rights of every individual pixel.

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#21 Bikouchu35
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Sheesh what display are you are using to look at that pict? Your netbook or your grandpa's tv set?

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#22 Drasonak
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I think it's important to treat each individual pixel as an individual.

Stand up for the rights of every individual pixel.

psymon100

So they can operate as a system and then get called out as screen-tearing ("communist") if deviate even a little from the masses?

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Boring.. I'm going to watch Planet Earth in HD peacefully as I go to sleep. Watch Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman to get a good mind fvcking when I wake up.
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#25 psymon100
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I think it's important to treat each individual pixel as an individual.

Stand up for the rights of every individual pixel.

Drasonak

So they can operate as a system and then get called out as screen-tearing ("communist") if deviate even a little from the masses?

I am afraid it's too late there is already an operating system.

They shouldn't be making those panels with so many pixels if there isn't work for them to do, not in this economy.

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#26 whiskeystrike
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I'm trying to understand your logic, I really am but to no avail.

Congrats, I guess, if that was your intention.

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#28 whiskeystrike
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Resolution and framerate over high quality textures, anyday.

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#29 bobbetybob
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I got the Ni No Kuni demo (finally, gotta love that maintenance, thank you Sony!) and I instantly wished it was in 1080p. It just all looks slightly blurry and it really takes away a lot more than you'd expect from the visuals, especially in games with really nice hand painted textures like that. When I play PC games I happily trade off some more advanced features to keep 1080p because that crisper image adds so much.
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#30 Drasonak
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[QUOTE="Drasonak"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I think it's important to treat each individual pixel as an individual.

Stand up for the rights of every individual pixel.

psymon100

So they can operate as a system and then get called out as screen-tearing ("communist") if deviate even a little from the masses?

I am afraid it's too late there is already an operating system.

They shouldn't be making those panels with so many pixels if there isn't work for them to do, not in this economy.

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Drasonak"] So they can operate as a system and then get called out as screen-tearing ("communist") if deviate even a little from the masses?

Drasonak

I am afraid it's too late there is already an operating system.

They shouldn't be making those panels with so many pixels if there isn't work for them to do, not in this economy.

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.

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#32 R4gn4r0k
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Is 720p really needed in games ?

I mean shouldnt every inch of power go to make games look closer to CGI in 240p, than have mediocre graphics in 720p ?

call_of_duty_10

No, they should go even further and have life-like graphics in one pixel, than have GGI quality in 240p

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#33 Drasonak
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[QUOTE="Drasonak"][QUOTE="psymon100"]

I am afraid it's too late there is already an operating system.

They shouldn't be making those panels with so many pixels if there isn't work for them to do, not in this economy.

psymon100

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.

Ha ha, ****, I misread your original statement. I didn't misread your character or emotions; rather, your sentence. Sorry, I usually don't do that, ha ha. I wish this didn't happen. But I am pretty drunk. I know I type well when I'm drunk, but you can only expect me to do so much?

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#34 R4gn4r0k
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Your sig goes perfect with that post.:lol:

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Haha, yeah. I noticed that too ^^

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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Drasonak"] Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.Drasonak

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.

Ha ha, ****, I misread your original statement. I didn't misread your character or emotions; rather, your sentence. Sorry, I usually don't do that, ha ha. I wish this didn't happen. But I am pretty drunk. I know I type well when I'm drunk, but you can only expect me to do so much?

Ladies you ar both rilly smart ok.
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Drasonak"] Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.Drasonak

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.

Ha ha, ****, I misread your original statement. I didn't misread your character or emotions; rather, your sentence. Sorry, I usually don't do that, ha ha. I wish this didn't happen. But I am pretty drunk. I know I type well when I'm drunk, but you can only expect me to do so much?

Whoa. It would be cool if I had any character or emotion :(

Sounds to me like you are having a great time, that's good. Maybe it will help you to think creatively about threads you might author?

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ohhh loosey i missed you. always so entertaining to here you vomit

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I missed him too :cry: Would you like a napkin, loosey? There's a lot of sh!t going out of your mouth.
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#38 ziggyww
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I want them to be able to keep up with the TV's that will be released in a year or two that are capable of 4k resolutions (4x 1080p for the few that didn't know) I don't see that happening though if all these rumours are true looking at the specs...shame would be nice to have a 4k powerhouse console to go with my new 4k TV when I get one. just picture if that happened this cycle and PS3 and 360 didn't look to HDTV's that were coming out or just released. when the consoles came out hardly anyone had a HDTV and there were expensive now they are cheap and everyone has one. I don't want a console that can't keep up with the upcoming TV resolutions. That you they will be releasing a new console in 3 years which I don't want aswell
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Drasonak"] So they can operate as a system and then get called out as screen-tearing ("communist") if deviate even a little from the masses?

Drasonak

I am afraid it's too late there is already an operating system.

They shouldn't be making those panels with so many pixels if there isn't work for them to do, not in this economy.

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.

Good fvcking God, you are unbelievably condescending, and self-righteous. With your little thinly-veiled insults, and your constant subtle suggestions that you're better than everyone because you're a fvcking college student. Like your screen-tearing communist joke was sooooo deep and intelligent. Go ahead and keep compensating for whatever your deep-seeded insecurities are. Seems like it's working out for you.

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#40 Drasonak
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[QUOTE="Drasonak"][QUOTE="psymon100"]

I am afraid it's too late there is already an operating system.

They shouldn't be making those panels with so many pixels if there isn't work for them to do, not in this economy.

the_bi99man

Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.

Good fvcking God, you are unbelievably condescending, and self-righteous. With your little thinly-veiled insults, and your constant subtle suggestions that you're better than everyone because you're a fvcking college student. Like your screen-tearing communist joke was sooooo deep and intelligent. Go ahead and keep compensating for whatever your deep-seeded insecurities are. Seems like it's working out for you.

No, it wasn't an insult. It's not his fault. I understand that my circumstances are situational, and others could've just as well have found my place where I'm at had they been in the same shoes as me. Also, did you really just start stalking my posts? I just saw you in another thread I made. This isn't FaceBook, son. That ****'s weird.
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Considering I have been on 1900x1200 for the past 3 years 1080 feels backwards and its hugely annoying that PC monitors are going the way of the 16:9 ratio. Just means I need to up it to 1660 or whatever it is.

In answer to the 720p, you are basically saying "I want to see awesome visualls, but less of it." You could get crazy good visuals with 480 but then you wouldnt see it... so resoultion with graphics fedility to goes hand in hand. To add more detail you need to be able to see it. Its as simple as that really.

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Yes it's needed because upscaling looks like @ss and pretty soon you probably won't even be able to buy plain 720p sets. I played the uncharted 3 demo at a ps3 kiosk in a walmart a few days ago and it looked like complete ass thanks to it being upscaled.

People who say they don't notice it probably sit so far back that they might as well be playing at 480p anyways.

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#43 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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Yeah it really is. HIgher then 1080p if possible aswell.

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#44 Drasonak
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Yes it's needed because upscaling looks like @ss and pretty soon you probably won't even be able to buy plain 720p sets. I played the uncharted 3 demo at a ps3 kiosk in a walmart a few days ago and it looked like complete ass thanks to it being upscaled.

People who say they don't notice it probably sit so far back that they might as well be playing at 480p anyways.

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With the PC, you're always only a few inches away from your monitor. I sit about six feet away from my TV. Does this at all negate the visual fidelity of 1080p?
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#45 parkurtommo
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480p is where the fun is

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240p here I come
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#46 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Yes it's needed because upscaling looks like @ss and pretty soon you probably won't even be able to buy plain 720p sets. I played the uncharted 3 demo at a ps3 kiosk in a walmart a few days ago and it looked like complete ass thanks to it being upscaled.

People who say they don't notice it probably sit so far back that they might as well be playing at 480p anyways.

Drasonak

With the PC, you're always only a few inches away from your monitor. I sit about six feet away from my TV. Does this at all negate the visual fidelity of 1080p?

How big is your tv?

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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Yes it's needed because upscaling looks like @ss and pretty soon you probably won't even be able to buy plain 720p sets. I played the uncharted 3 demo at a ps3 kiosk in a walmart a few days ago and it looked like complete ass thanks to it being upscaled.

People who say they don't notice it probably sit so far back that they might as well be playing at 480p anyways.

Drasonak
With the PC, you're always only a few inches away from your monitor.

A few inches? o_O I'm like 3 or 4 feet away from my monitor most of the time.
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[QUOTE="Drasonak"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Yes it's needed because upscaling looks like @ss and pretty soon you probably won't even be able to buy plain 720p sets. I played the uncharted 3 demo at a ps3 kiosk in a walmart a few days ago and it looked like complete ass thanks to it being upscaled.

People who say they don't notice it probably sit so far back that they might as well be playing at 480p anyways.

parkurtommo

With the PC, you're always only a few inches away from your monitor.

A few inches? o_O I'm like 3 or 4 feet away from my monitor most of the time.

You must either have a very large desk or very long arms. :P

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[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Drasonak"] Ha ha, easy, buddy. It was just a joke. Sorry if that was hard to read. I sometimes project my knowledge onto others when not everyone has been treated with the same education (no offense, of course). My apologies, I should've denoted it with a goofy smiley face.Drasonak

Good fvcking God, you are unbelievably condescending, and self-righteous. With your little thinly-veiled insults, and your constant subtle suggestions that you're better than everyone because you're a fvcking college student. Like your screen-tearing communist joke was sooooo deep and intelligent. Go ahead and keep compensating for whatever your deep-seeded insecurities are. Seems like it's working out for you.

No, it wasn't an insult. It's not his fault. I understand that my circumstances are situational, and others could've just as well have found my place where I'm at had they been in the same shoes as me. Also, did you really just start stalking my posts? I just saw you in another thread I made. This isn't FaceBook, son. That ****'s weird.

I'm not stalking anything. I just also happen to frequent these forums, and hard to miss the obscene amount of douchey knowitallness you've been spewing. Is that what you learned in psych 101? Talk to everyone like they're a child, an unable to understand you? Suggest that they're uneducated when they call you out for it? You have a very underhanded method to your condescending. Softballing your superiority complex on people just subtly enough that when someone actually takes offense, you can act like you didn't mean anything by it, and try to make it look like they're overreacting. Did you learn that in pysch 101, too?

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#50 Ben-Buja
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Most TVs these days are 1080P natively, I'd say it's more important to reach 1080P as a standard right now. A lot of detail gets lost due to 720P.