Inside Dev sources revelation on PS5 to XSX performance difference will make SW tech experts have a meltdown

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#1  Edited By BoxRekt
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Unlike SW fanboys who try to talk tech, this individual claims to have actual developer feedback from individuals working on PS5 and XSX.

He speaks on how intelligently Sony has designed the PS5 hardware and how Sony has tried to eliminate any bottle neck get the max performance out the system instead of brute forcing things the normal way but wasting resources. He Clearly has more knowledge about hardware functionality than the basic 1+1 logic bumblers trying to make projections about these new consoles.

It is, however, completely up to you if you want to take his comments about what developers have told him at face value, but it's funny no one outside of fanboys have come to the conclusion that many have tried to claim on this board about PS5's "weak" hardware.

All I'll say is it's going to be really funny when the actual games are shown off and all the people claiming better graphics for Series X flop flop to hyping "theoretical potential" instead of real world results.

lol at SW tech experts who thought Sony's SSD was just for loading or that XSX's SSD can do the same things Sony can with PS5.

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*Public service message for trolls who only intend to shitpost in my thread!*

Before any foaming at the mouth fanboys lashout at me for posting something that contradicts their simple understanding of development and hardware, you're free to not click on the thread, not watch the video, and not even engage my the thread...

Take it upon yourself to step🚪🚶 off and not comment at all. Simple!

If you just want to cry because I made a thread then go beg a mod in DM to ban me or lock my thread instead of polluting my thread with off topic horseshit posts like I see the same group of posters always doing.

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#2 lundy86_4
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More meltdowns... Yay...

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I love the meltdown. The Series X is drilling you hard. You can't even sleep at night.

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#4  Edited By PAL360
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NX Gamer, DigitalFoundry, etc already stated that.

We all know fanboys love numbers. Sony should have known better and limited that technical presentation to devs. In my opinion they should give a better explanation and show actual demos sooner than later.

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#5 tormentos
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@boxrekt:

Come on man i know the gap will be small but the xbox series X will be stronger,i am willing to eat crow and admit that i was wrong if that were to happen no problem,but reality is the xbox is stronger don't be a blackace or Kuu2 be better.

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On Sony's SSD...

@6:26

He emphasized it definitely isn't just about load times. "There are things the XBOX literally just can't do. Type of games it would struggle on."

SW tech experts 🤯😱😡🤬😢

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@tormentos said:

@boxrekt:

Come on man i know the gap will be small but the xbox series X will be stronger,i am willing to eat crow and admit that i was wrong if that were to happen no problem,but reality is the xbox is stronger don't be a blackace or Kuu2 be better.

The PS5 is the stronger of the two. Time for you to accept it. :P

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What Sony should have done is match the 12tflop plus get its fast ssd as bonus. Then we'd be talking about a real beast from Sony. As is, i just cannot believe how an ssd will do more for games than a better cpu and gpu. Getting on the ssd hype train is just like dx12 all over again, and dx12 sucks even on pc because devs refuse to build engines around dx12.

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Lol this guy can't sleep at night knowing the X is more powerful than the PS5 and also wants us to believe a guy with a sony shirt that claims to have insider info of some random guy on a forum or private messages that claims to be a developer 😂🤣 can you get more desperate than that?

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@boxrekt said:

On Sony's SSD...

@6:26

He emphasized it definitely isn't just about load times. "There are things the XBOX literally just can't do. Type of games it would struggle on."

SW tech experts 🤯😱😡🤬😢

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#11 lundy86_4
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TC didn't even come back for his last thread. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the same.

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Wheres that thread about Cows damage controlling?

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#13  Edited By GameboyTroy
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I'll leave this here.

https://wccftech.com/schreier-multiple-devs-are-telling-me-ps5-is-superior-to-xbox-series-x-in-several-ways-despite-spec/

https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-most-revolutionary/

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@tormentos said:

@boxrekt:

Come on man i know the gap will be small but the xbox series X will be stronger,i am willing to eat crow and admit that i was wrong if that were to happen no problem,but reality is the xbox is stronger don't be a blackace or Kuu2 be better.

This information isn't from me so you're preaching to the wall.

Stop trying to tell me about which is more "powerful" as if you're telling me some information here. You're not saying anything these tech rejects on this board haven't already said. You need to watch the video before speaking.

No where did I claim PS5 being more powerful, but I always said, before PS5 was revealed, it would be a "smarter" designed system and by all reports it's exactly that.

Stop getting stuck in idiotic narratives, it's not about "power" xbox can have that title (X1X already has, big whoop) it's about real world performance!!!

Only xbox fans are going to try to talk about numbers when actual games are shown, everybody else is LOOK at what each system does. As stated here the only real advantage XSX may have is Raytraching.

Graphics are going to be the same and performance is going to be similar...the loading is going to be the biggest difference that people will *see* between the systems. Again Sony playing chess.

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Best thing to do is wait until the damn next-gen consoles are out and then, we can discuss power all you want. We all know the specs, all that's left is price and launch titles for each consoles.

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@lundy86_4 said:

TC didn't even come back for his last thread. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the same.

I take that back...

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Cows are in complete spin meltdown mode.

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@boxrekt: NAVI is not GCN.

AMD claims NAVI is designed for scalability.

7950 and 7870 have the same geometry input, rasterization(raster engine) and ROPS hardware. 7950 has the advantage of higher resolution performance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-hd-7850-hd-7870/26.html

AMD can't afford to repeat Vega's scaling debacle when competing against multi SKU Turing let alone Ampere.

Based on 2-weeks raw Gears 5 port's built-in benchmark at PC Ultra settings, XSX GPU delivers RTX 2080 level results, hence it's RDNA 2 TFLOPS is scaling.

PS5 and XSX comparison is like overclocked RTX 2070 at 2230 Mhz (10.28 TFLOPS) with 448 GB/s bandwidth (best situation, CPU's memory access rates throttled with PS4 style mitigation) against MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio with 12.155 TFLOPS with 496 GB/s (PC style brute force, CPU has PC style memory access rates)

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27k subs, really digging up the bottom of the barrel to find some support. Dark times for Boxxy.

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@GameboyTroy said:

I'll leave this here.

https://wccftech.com/schreier-multiple-devs-are-telling-me-ps5-is-superior-to-xbox-series-x-in-several-ways-despite-spec/

https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-most-revolutionary/

They mad but these guys are arguing against multiple devs that have all said the same thing.

It's going to be funny when games are shown because we know MS only depend on 3rd party and neither system is going to get deep optimization from those devs but PS5 at it's base level is easier to develop for.

The only difference is going to be in exclusives designed specifically for either console. Xbox fans are depending on 3rd party to make MS next console shine (like seems to be the case for every xbox system) again and are going to end up claiming dev bias or incompetence when there is no gap in visuals and performance like they are desperately hyping.

The video explains everything pretty clearly and better then any hack tech expert on this board has tried to so far.

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Lmao at these sources! This is worse than Lems using CrapGamer and Dealer as sources.

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@ronvalencia said:

@boxrekt: NAVI is not GCN.

AMD claims NAVI is designed for scalability.

7950 and 7870 have the same geometry input, rasterization(raster engine) and ROPS hardware. 7950 has the advantage of higher resolution performance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-hd-7850-hd-7870/26.html

AMD can't afford to repeat Vega's scaling debacle when competing against multi SKU Turing let alone Ampere.

Based on 2-weeks raw Gears 5 port's built-in benchmark at PC Ultra settings, XSX GPU delivers RTX 2080 level results, hence it's RDNA 2 TFLOPS is scaling.

PS5 and XSX comparison is overclocked RTX 2070 at 2230 Mhz (10.28 TFLOPS) with 448 GB/s bandwidth (best situation, CPU's memory access rates throttled with PS4 style mitigation) against MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio with 12.155 TFLOPS with 496 GB/s (average situation)

I know NAVI isn't GCN.

Not sure why you're using Gears 5 here, the guy in the video is glowing about the possible performance of BOTH XSX and PS5. No where did I or the individual with dev sources say XSX was weak or under perform.

You saying Gears 5 on XSX gets Ulta PC settings disputes this information presented here how exactly? By showing how powerful XSX is? I agree XSX is pissing on most PCs....still doesn't change any points brought up about PS5's capability.

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@boxrekt said:
@ronvalencia said:

@boxrekt: NAVI is not GCN.

AMD claims NAVI is designed for scalability.

7950 and 7870 have the same geometry input, rasterization(raster engine) and ROPS hardware. 7950 has the advantage of higher resolution performance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-hd-7850-hd-7870/26.html

AMD can't afford to repeat Vega's scaling debacle when competing against multi SKU Turing let alone Ampere.

Based on 2-weeks raw Gears 5 port's built-in benchmark at PC Ultra settings, XSX GPU delivers RTX 2080 level results, hence it's RDNA 2 TFLOPS is scaling.

PS5 and XSX comparison is overclocked RTX 2070 at 2230 Mhz (10.28 TFLOPS) with 448 GB/s bandwidth (best situation, CPU's memory access rates throttled with PS4 style mitigation) against MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio with 12.155 TFLOPS with 496 GB/s (average situation)

I know NAVI isn't GCN.

Not sure why you're using Gears 5 here, the guy in the video is glowing about the possible performance of BOTH XSX and PS5. No where did I or the individual with dev sources say XSX was weak or under perform.

You saying Gears 5 on XSX gets Ulta PC settings disputes this information presented here how exactly? By showing how powerful XSX is? I agree XSX is pissing on most PCs....still doesn't change any points brought up about PS5's capability.

Gears 5 is based on Unreal Engine 4 which is currently not friendly for current AMD GPUs. Many 3rd party multiplatform games use Unreal Engine 4!

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#24  Edited By BoxRekt
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@davillain- said:

Best thing to do is wait until the damn next-gen consoles are out and then, we can discuss power all you want. We all know the specs, all that's left is price and launch titles for each consoles.

Just wanted to drop this here to bring a brain cell or 2 to a conversation that was only filled with uneducated fanboy speculation and hyperbole.

"Serise X is going to be far superior on graphics and performance over Ps5, a huge difference..hur hur 1.8 more Tflops is all we need to know"

This is simple minded thinking but more than that misinformation. Cerny created the PS5 the way he did for a reason. Unlike Serise X, PS5 wasn't just about AMD loading a spec to fill a number, it was designed WITH Sony creating specific technology that was meant to be the most optimized console ever, according to Mark Cerny AMD will incorporate into their new GPUs after PS5 launches.

Imagine intergrated SSD's the speed of Sony's PS5 created for use for PC tech? Sony has created a tech that will advance even the entire PC market. It's not just a power increase like what MS did with XSX

This board just doesn't listen or doesn't want to hear things that don't fit with their narrative.

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@boxrekt said:

This information isn't from me so you're preaching to the wall.

Stop trying to tell me about which is more "powerful" as if you're telling me some information here. You're not saying anything these tech rejects on this board haven't already said. You need to watch the video before speaking.

No where did I claim PS5 being more powerful, but I always said, before PS5 was revealed, it would be a "smarter" designed system and by all reports it's exactly that.

Stop getting stuck in idiotic narratives, it's not about "power" xbox can have that title (X1X already has, big whoop) it's about real world performance!!!

Only xbox fans are going to try to talk about numbers when actual games are shown, everybody else is LOOK at what each system does. As stated here the only real advantage XSX may have is Raytraching.

Graphics are going to be the same and performance is going to be similar...the loading is going to be the biggest difference that people will *see* between the systems. Again Sony playing chess.

I know it nof from you,but it make you look desperate either way.

Lemmings are just sad that the gap is not big,so then will invent and ignore anything,remember this were the same people who though DX12 would double the xbox one power.

@ronvalencia said:

@boxrekt: NAVI is not GCN.

AMD claims NAVI is designed for scalability.

7950 and 7870 have the same geometry input, rasterization(raster engine) and ROPS hardware. 7950 has the advantage of higher resolution performance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-hd-7850-hd-7870/26.html

AMD can't afford to repeat Vega's scaling debacle when competing against multi SKU Turing let alone Ampere.

Based on 2-weeks raw Gears 5 port's built-in benchmark at PC Ultra settings, XSX GPU delivers RTX 2080 level results, hence it's RDNA 2 TFLOPS is scaling.

PS5 and XSX comparison is like overclocked RTX 2070 at 2230 Mhz (10.28 TFLOPS) with 448 GB/s bandwidth (best situation, CPU's memory access rates throttled with PS4 style mitigation) against MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio with 12.155 TFLOPS with 496 GB/s (PC style brute force, CPU has PC style memory access rates)

And the PS5 and xbox are not Turin based or from Nvidia.

Neither the 3.5GB of slower meory can be use like killzone SF example because sony is not MS and Killzone is not from MS either.

So for some one who constantly use examples that don't represent the hardware in question,i say you look sad stating Navi isn't GCN.

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#26  Edited By ronvalencia
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@boxrekt said:
@davillain- said:

Best thing to do is wait until the damn next-gen consoles are out and then, we can discuss power all you want. We all know the specs, all that's left is price and launch titles for each consoles.

Just wanted to drop this here to bring a brain cell or 2 to a conversation that was only filled with uneducated fanboy speculation and hyperbole.

"Serise X is going to be far superior on graphics and performance over Ps5, a huge difference..hur hur 1.8 more Tflops is all we need to know"

This is simple minded thinking but more than that misinformation. Cerny created the PS5 the way he did for a reason. Unlike Serise X, PS5 wasn't just about AMD loading a spec to fill a number, it was designed WITH Sony creating specific technology that, according to Mark Cerny AMD will incorporate into their new GPUs after PS5 launches.

This board just doesn't listen or doesn't want to hear things that don't fit with their narrative.

Sony's input into AMD GPUs has led to the wrong path. Sony attempts to convert AMD GPU into compute bias CELL have compromised GCN's rasterization power.

The focus on compute shader with TMU read/write to L2 cache is clearly Sony's influence while NVIDIA focus on geometry hardware and ROPS read/write with multi-MB L2 cache with Maxwell.

Nvidia's Turing has async compute hardware it beats GCN and RDNA v1 e.g. Wolfenstein Youngblood.

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boxrekt always digging that hole deeper and deeper

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Cash angry melting down again lol.

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Good video. Sony has been talking with developers about the console development for years now, and not just in-house developers, 3rd party as well. So to think that the PS5 will be some kind of weak sauce is pretty dumb. It's a reason why Cerny chose to customize an own CU for 3D audio instead of using GPU resources like the XsX will have to do, because that will take up more resources. I liked the point about the upcoming AMD GPU's will reach over 20 TFlops. If pixels are important to you, then that's the way to go anyways. Both will do 4K 60fps, but in full quality mode with Ray tracing neither will be able to do 60fps.

But I'm excited about the SSD, and how developers will utilize that. Same for the 8 core Zen 2 CPU, we may finally see games struggling on PC's with I7's next gen, at least I5's. Games like GTA with a lot more NPC's and AI on screen.

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#30  Edited By ronvalencia
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@tormentos said:
@boxrekt said:

This information isn't from me so you're preaching to the wall.

Stop trying to tell me about which is more "powerful" as if you're telling me some information here. You're not saying anything these tech rejects on this board haven't already said. You need to watch the video before speaking.

No where did I claim PS5 being more powerful, but I always said, before PS5 was revealed, it would be a "smarter" designed system and by all reports it's exactly that.

Stop getting stuck in idiotic narratives, it's not about "power" xbox can have that title (X1X already has, big whoop) it's about real world performance!!!

Only xbox fans are going to try to talk about numbers when actual games are shown, everybody else is LOOK at what each system does. As stated here the only real advantage XSX may have is Raytraching.

Graphics are going to be the same and performance is going to be similar...the loading is going to be the biggest difference that people will *see* between the systems. Again Sony playing chess.

I know it nof from you,but it make you look desperate either way.

Lemmings are just sad that the gap is not big,so then will invent and ignore anything,remember this were the same people who though DX12 would double the xbox one power.

@ronvalencia said:

@boxrekt: NAVI is not GCN.

AMD claims NAVI is designed for scalability.

7950 and 7870 have the same geometry input, rasterization(raster engine) and ROPS hardware. 7950 has the advantage of higher resolution performance.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-hd-7850-hd-7870/26.html

AMD can't afford to repeat Vega's scaling debacle when competing against multi SKU Turing let alone Ampere.

Based on 2-weeks raw Gears 5 port's built-in benchmark at PC Ultra settings, XSX GPU delivers RTX 2080 level results, hence it's RDNA 2 TFLOPS is scaling.

PS5 and XSX comparison is like overclocked RTX 2070 at 2230 Mhz (10.28 TFLOPS) with 448 GB/s bandwidth (best situation, CPU's memory access rates throttled with PS4 style mitigation) against MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio with 12.155 TFLOPS with 496 GB/s (PC style brute force, CPU has PC style memory access rates)

And the PS5 and xbox are not Turin based or from Nvidia.

Neither the 3.5GB of slower meory can be use like killzone SF example because sony is not MS and Killzone is not from MS either.

So for some one who constantly use examples that don't represent the hardware in question,i say you look sad stating Navi isn't GCN.

PS4's CPU is not CELL vs RSX FP ratio, 8 Jaguar CPUs have a large disparity in GFLOPS relative to the 1840 GFLOPS Liverpool GPU.

PS4 has 1 : 18 CPU vs GPU FP rate ratio.

XSX has 1 : 12 to 1: 24 to 1: 36** CPU to vs GPU FP rate ratio. **heavy RPM machine learning and RT operations.

Also, BVH RT is memory bandwidth extensive.

Sony recycled NAVI 10 's 448 GB/s bus and loaded it with extra RT cores and PC CPU load.

XSX's extra memory bandwidth with higher TFLOPS to rival RTX 2080 indicates AMD's memory compression is not as good as a Turing TU104. MS is throwing slightly more PCB BOM cost to rival TU104.

XSX is a scaled-up PS4 with a large GPU bias. Zen 2 vs RDNA 2 GPUs wouldn't duplicate PS3 CPU:GPU FP ratio

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#31  Edited By BoxRekt
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@Martin_G_N said:

Good video. Sony has been talking with developers about the console development for years now, and not just in-house developers, 3rd party as well. So to think that the PS5 will be some kind of weak sauce is pretty dumb. It's a reason why Cerny chose to customize an own CU for 3D audio instead of using GPU resources like the XsX will have to do, because that will take up more resources. I liked the point about the upcoming AMD GPU's will reach over 20 TFlops. If pixels are important to you, then that's the way to go anyways. Both will do 4K 60fps, but in full quality mode with Ray tracing neither will be able to do 60fps.

But I'm excited about the SSD, and how developers will utilize that. Same for the 8 core Zen 2 CPU, we may finally see games struggling on PC's with I7's next gen, at least I5's. Games like GTA with a lot more NPC's and AI on screen.

Exactly, this new tech from Sony will also help the PC users who are blindly hyping XSX simply for MS increasing a Tflop number.

And thanks, it's a lot of good information here to cut through the fanboy misinformation and nonsense that has been rapidly spread after Sony's PS5 developer dive.

Clearly, most system wars posters don't have a clue about how game development is actually handled and aren't qualified to breakdown the differences between systems that are not traditional PCs like PS5 and XSX hardware are, especially PS5.

Naturally many SW's members are trying to damage control this information with personal attacks and off topic rants but wuteves

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#32 Pedro
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I anticipate more meltdowns like this in the future. We need more of these threads because they would be great references in the future. LMAO

Sony fannies better keep their lunatics in check otherwise there would be less Sony fannies in the future. So many have gone into hiding already. I don't want next gen to be this gen but with obnoxious Xbox fannies. Time to strike a balance.

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@boxrekt said:

Naturally many SW's members are trying to damage control this information with personal attacks and off topic rants but

that's like the majority of your posts

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#34 BoxRekt
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@Pedro said:

I anticipate more meltdowns like this in the future. We need more of these threads because they would be great references in the future. LMAO

Sony fannies better keep their lunatics in check otherwise there would be less Sony fannies in the future. So many have gone into hiding already. I don't want next gen to be this gen but with obnoxious Xbox fannies. Time to strike a balance.

Just sharing.

You seem to be the one having a meltdown. Try not to blow a gasket buddy.

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#35  Edited By phbz  Online
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"Cerny chose to customize an own CU for 3D audio instead of using GPU resources like the XsX will have to do,"

@Martin_G_N: lol you guys are just priceless. XsX has a dedicated sound processor too.

Not to mention that Dolby put out a statement today calling out lies told by Cerny.

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#36 Pedro
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@boxrekt said:

Just sharing.

You seem to be the one having a meltdown. Try not to blow a gasket buddy.

I will show you what a meltdown looks like

@boxrekt said:

Unlike SW fanboys who try to talk tech, this individual claims to have actual developer feedback from individuals working on PS5 and XSX.

He speaks on how intelligently Sony has designed the PS5 hardware and how Sony has tried to eliminate any bottle neck get the max performance out the system instead of brute forcing things the normal way but wasting resources. He Clearly has more knowledge about hardware functionality than the basic 1+1 logic bumblers trying to make projections about these new consoles.

It is, however, completely up to you if you want to take his comments about what developers have told him at face value, but it's funny no one outside of fanboys have come to the conclusion that many have tried to claim on this board about PS5's "weak" hardware.

All I'll say is it's going to be really funny when the actual games are shown off and all the people claiming better graphics for Series X flop flop to hyping "theoretical potential" instead of real world results.

Loading Video...

lol at SW tech experts who thought Sony's SSD was just for loading or that XSX's SSD can do the same things Sony can with PS5.

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*Public service message for trolls who only intend to shitpost in my thread!*

Before any foaming at the mouth fanboys lashout at me for posting something that contradicts their simple understanding of development and hardware, you're free to not click on the thread, not watch the video, and not even engage my the thread...

Take it upon yourself to step🚪🚶 off and not comment at all. Simple!

If you just want to cry because I made a thread then go beg a mod in DM to ban me or lock my thread instead of polluting my thread with off topic horseshit posts like I see the same group of posters always doing.

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#37 DrLostRib
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@Pedro said:
@boxrekt said:

Just sharing.

You seem to be the one having a meltdown. Try not to blow a gasket buddy.

I will show you what a meltdown looks like

@boxrekt said:

Unlike SW fanboys who try to talk tech, this individual claims to have actual developer feedback from individuals working on PS5 and XSX.

He speaks on how intelligently Sony has designed the PS5 hardware and how Sony has tried to eliminate any bottle neck get the max performance out the system instead of brute forcing things the normal way but wasting resources. He Clearly has more knowledge about hardware functionality than the basic 1+1 logic bumblers trying to make projections about these new consoles.

It is, however, completely up to you if you want to take his comments about what developers have told him at face value, but it's funny no one outside of fanboys have come to the conclusion that many have tried to claim on this board about PS5's "weak" hardware.

All I'll say is it's going to be really funny when the actual games are shown off and all the people claiming better graphics for Series X flop flop to hyping "theoretical potential" instead of real world results.

lol at SW tech experts who thought Sony's SSD was just for loading or that XSX's SSD can do the same things Sony can with PS5.

....................................................

*Public service message for trolls who only intend to shitpost in my thread!*

Before any foaming at the mouth fanboys lashout at me for posting something that contradicts their simple understanding of development and hardware, you're free to not click on the thread, not watch the video, and not even engage my the thread...

Take it upon yourself to step🚪🚶 off and not comment at all. Simple!

If you just want to cry because I made a thread then go beg a mod in DM to ban me or lock my thread instead of polluting my thread with off topic horseshit posts like I see the same group of posters always doing.

and that's the second rant he's had to start to try and comfort himself

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#38 ronvalencia
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@i_p_daily:

Sony's "super charge PC" argument... LOL I'm not going to fall into the same PR trap again.

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#39 tormentos
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@ronvalencia said:

PS4's CPU is not CELL vs RSX FP ratio, 8 Jaguar CPUs have a large disparity in GFLOPS relative to the 1840 GFLOPS Liverpool GPU.

PS4 has 1 : 18 CPU vs GPU FP rate ratio.

XSX has 1 : 12 to 1: 24 to 1: 36** CPU to vs GPU FP rate ratio. **heavy RPM machine learning and RT operations.

Also, BVH RT is memory bandwidth extensive.

Sony recycled NAVI 10 's 448 GB/s bus and loaded it with extra RT cores and PC CPU load.

XSX's extra memory bandwidth with higher TFLOPS to rival RTX 2080 indicates AMD's memory compression is not as good as a Turing TU104. MS is throwing slightly more PCB BOM cost to rival TU104.

XSX is a scaled-up PS4 with a large GPU bias. Zen 2 vs RDNA GPUs wouldn't duplicate PS3 CPU:GPU FP ratio

Yeah i remeber you this rival that arguments that failed to materialize with the xbox one X.

My argument is simple hypocricy,you of all person saying something doesn't represent something when you constantly use example which don't fall in line with the argument in question.

Sony wanted a cheaper system maybe that is the point maybe they are trying to deliver the PS5 at $400.

Is a 17% GPU gap,if you downplayed the PS4 one on 2013 i don't see why you should hype this one so much.

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#40  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Martin_G_N said:

Good video. Sony has been talking with developers about the console development for years now, and not just in-house developers, 3rd party as well. So to think that the PS5 will be some kind of weak sauce is pretty dumb. It's a reason why Cerny chose to customize an own CU for 3D audio instead of using GPU resources like the XsX will have to do, because that will take up more resources. I liked the point about the upcoming AMD GPU's will reach over 20 TFlops. If pixels are important to you, then that's the way to go anyways. Both will do 4K 60fps, but in full quality mode with Ray tracing neither will be able to do 60fps.

But I'm excited about the SSD, and how developers will utilize that. Same for the 8 core Zen 2 CPU, we may finally see games struggling on PC's with I7's next gen, at least I5's. Games like GTA with a lot more NPC's and AI on screen.

Sony asked AMD to spec PS4's 8 core Jaguar like power with AMD's CU IP which is about 100 GFLOPS.

XSX GPU has 12.147 TFLOPS with 52 CU. Each CU has ~234 GFLOPS.

AMD's AIB partners have leaked RX 5800 and RX 5900 series reserved model numbers.

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#41 navyguy21
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Omg, I can't wait for these systems to release so these threads will stop. This is insane. No way in hell can you make up for a 44% CU deficit with an overclock. I dont care what storage you are using.

This is getting ridiculous

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#42  Edited By ronvalencia
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@tormentos said:
@ronvalencia said:

PS4's CPU is not CELL vs RSX FP ratio, 8 Jaguar CPUs have a large disparity in GFLOPS relative to the 1840 GFLOPS Liverpool GPU.

PS4 has 1 : 18 CPU vs GPU FP rate ratio.

XSX has 1 : 12 to 1: 24 to 1: 36** CPU to vs GPU FP rate ratio. **heavy RPM machine learning and RT operations.

Also, BVH RT is memory bandwidth extensive.

Sony recycled NAVI 10 's 448 GB/s bus and loaded it with extra RT cores and PC CPU load.

XSX's extra memory bandwidth with higher TFLOPS to rival RTX 2080 indicates AMD's memory compression is not as good as a Turing TU104. MS is throwing slightly more PCB BOM cost to rival TU104.

XSX is a scaled-up PS4 with a large GPU bias. Zen 2 vs RDNA GPUs wouldn't duplicate PS3 CPU:GPU FP ratio

Yeah i remeber you this rival that arguments that failed to materialize with the xbox one X.

My argument is simple hypocricy,you of all person saying something doesn't represent something when you constantly use example which don't fall in line with the argument in question.

Sony wanted a cheaper system maybe that is the point maybe they are trying to deliver the PS5 at $400.

Is a 17% GPU gap,if you downplayed the PS4 one on 2013 i don't see why you should hype this one so much.

MS's XBO ROPS vs memory bandwidth arguments are valid but it will NOT solve CU bound issues. Try again.

This is why I used W5000 example to show CU bound issues despite the similar memory bandwidth with HD 7850/R7-265.

My arguments are for both cows and lems at the same time. You can't handle a platform participant outside of XBO vs PS4.

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#43 Martin_G_N
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@phbz: XsX has the standard TrueAudio chip, same as all AMD GPU's, but that's not for the same 3d audio Sony is targeting. Of course Dolby is mad, they want Sony to use their tech so that people will have to buy Atmos equipment.

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#44  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Martin_G_N said:

@phbz: XsX has the standard TrueAudio chip, same as all AMD GPU's, but that's not for the same 3d audio Sony is targeting. Of course Dolby is mad, they want Sony to use their tech so that people will have to buy Atmos equipment.

AMD's True Audio Next has RadeonRays (software RT) since Polaris IP.

Sony asked AMD to slice True Audio Next as AMD's CU based DSP (raster hardware removed).

Read https://gpuopen.com/gaming-product/true-audio-next/

True Audio Next includes DSP instructions with Polaris IP without paying for 3rd party DSP license like in AMD's 1st True Audio version (renamed Cadence Tensilica HiFi EP DSP with Tensilica Xtensa SP float support).

Paying a single license to AMD IP is better than paying multiple IP to different companies.

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@ronvalencia: I doubt they would create a own chip if they could have used a CU on the GPU. It will probably take up more resources from the GPU than from that dedicated chip.

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#46  Edited By Grey_Eyed_Elf
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All this talk about power and the moment a game comes out with full on Ray Tracing and all these consoles struggle to maintain 30FPS. Neither of these consoles have enough GPU power to run 4K/60 with Ray Tracing without serious corners being cut, XSX had Minecraft at 1080/30... While Nvidia had it at 1080/60. Clearly AMD's Ray Tracing solution isn't as good as Turing let alone what Nvidia has coming.

Stahp.

Game developers always talk about power and how happy they are with it and what does history show you about console developers?... They WILL sacrifice performance for pretty graphics.

Have fun loading your game real quick so you can enjoy that 30FPS quicker.

I can't wait for this reality check to hit you guys, PC's exist now with more GPU power and they struggle with Ray Tracing, no amount of optimisation will beat brute power.

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#47  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Martin_G_N said:

@ronvalencia: I doubt they would create a own chip if they could have used a CU on the GPU. It will probably take up more resources from the GPU than from that dedicated chip.

AMD CU DSP doesn't have extra raster hardware, hence it's pretty small.

37 CU config is not possible with RDNA 2 with dual shader engines i.e. DCU design rule. DCU = dual CU tightly glued together.

Single CU indicates Vega or Polaris CU since RDNA has DCU design rules.

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#48  Edited By BoxRekt
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More 🔥🔥🔥

@ 12:04

Loading Video...

Weird how every DEVELOPER seems to be is saying the same thing and the opposite of SW tech experts?

We will find out when the games are shown, but it's funny watching you lot have a meltdown over information that's not simply pulled from a SW fanboy rear end😆.

Remember this isn't from me, I just delivered it and it's not what you want to hear.

FYI:

Jason Schrier is the one who leaked Horizon Zero Dawn PC port before anyone in case someone wants to question his credibility.

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#49 Pedro
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@boxrekt: Who is the developer or are the developers that stated the PS5 is stronger than the Series X?

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#50 LAtech84
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@goldenelementxl said:

Lmao at these sources! This is worse than Lems using CrapGamer and Dealer as sources.

I would replace CrapGamer with ColtEastwood as he(CrapGamer) has turned into a PS guy now. I agree though ColtEastwood and Dealer.