If you understand PC hardware then you know the Wii U absolutely will be........

considerably more powerful than the HD Twins. How do I *know* this? It's easy, that's because I am knowledgeable about PC hardware.

Let me give you an example so that you understand my logic. Let's take the 7800 GT as an example. This was a top of the line PC GPU back in 2005. Today Nvidia produces GPUs that are many times more powerful. But even their budget GPUs are a lot more powerful and support a lot more features. On top of that, they are also MUCH CHEAPER to manufacture.

That's right, it would be very expensive for Nvidia to manufacture today the 7800 GT. But they did it in 2005, what the heck am I talking about? Well, the problem is it would be a huge waste. It would take too much money to produce a chip that has crappy performance. Today Nvidia can produce a chip with 7800 GT power(NOT THE SAME CHIP but a current chip with the same power) very cheaply. Not only that, it would support other graphics features in the hardware chip that the 7800 chips didn't have.

For example, they could produce a 7800 GT for let's say manufacturing costs of $50 or they could produce a budget card with their current architecture that is 5X more powerful, has tons more features, runs much cooler and for the same $50. Or they could produce a card for $100 that is 10X more powerful. What would be real difficult is to produce a card that is less powerful than a 7800 GT. They would need to go to their cheapest cards with everything stripped out and really they will not even save much in manufacturing costs. Why spend $35 for a stripped down piece of junk card when you can get at least a decent card for $50? $50 is not going to go over budget and maybe they even want a $60 or $70 level card in the Wii U.

I fully understand that Nintendo wants to be profitable from day one. PS4 and Xbox 720 will spend $200 on GPUs, but if Nintendo only spends $50 they will destroy what is in the HD Twins. What I think they will do is try to get the most performance from their budget. They have a budget, it's much smaller than Sony's and MS's but it's not Zero. With their limited budget they will be weaker than the other next gen consoles. But it is absurd to think they won't beat out the 360 and PS3.

To summarize, there is no way in hell that the Wii U is at all less powerful than the HD Twins. It will be considerably more powerful, the first party games will blow the doors off of the PS3 exclusives. This is not a prediction, it's a FACT. Unless you believe Nintendo will on purpose make the Wii U weak even if it doesn't really save them money just for the hell of it, then you understand it can't be. If that was the case and they wanted a weak console, then they would've just brought out that controller with the screen for the regular Wii and saved a lot of trouble and time.

No more speculation necessary, the Wii U is going to be a lot better than the Xbox 360 and PS3.

No more speculation necessary, the Wii U is going to be a lot better than the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Xplode_games

A next gen console is going to be more powerful than current gen consoles!?!?! :shock:

Seriously though, lets wait for the specs to be released, if that ever happens

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No more speculation necessary, the Wii U is going to be a lot better than the Xbox 360 and PS3.

BPoole96

A next gen console is going to be more powerful than current gen consoles!?!?! :shock:

Seriously though, lets wait for the specs to be released, if that ever happens

It will be more powerful but that wont be utilized for years. Exclusives that use the systems power wont be out for a long time and 3rd party titles will still be ps360 ports.

It will be more powerful but that wont be utilized for years. Exclusives that use the systems power wont be out for a long time and 3rd party titles will still be ps360 ports.Xplode_games

Post the Wii-U specs, then we can discuss hardware.

Post the Wii-U specs, then we can discuss hardware.

Mystic-G

I have a feeling that even Nintendo doesn't know the specs... as in, it's not finalized yet :P

stopped reading at "it would be very expensive for nvidia to manufacture". now its time for a bit of a lesson in how console manufacturers work. 1) AMD will not be manufacturing the GPU for the wiiu. nintendo pay AMD for a blueprint basically. ninty then use this blueprint to tell whoever they want to manufacture it how to do it. manufacturing costs simply because its old is a non issue. 2) whatever chip is in the wiiu will not belong to AMD...it will be nintendos chip. ninty and AMD have probably been working on this chip for years but as mentioned ninty pay for the blueprint. im sure theres all sorts of agreements in the contract (like ninty cant sue AMD for making cards that do use some tech found in the wiiu GPU) but its nintys chip design to do with as they see fit. 2b) on a side note MS did licence out the GPU for the xbox1 so that design did still belong to nvidia. it caused sever headaches for MS 3) ninty and AMD are free to change, remove and add stuff as they see fit. its not going to be an off the shelf bit. ninty will have an idea of budget and capability for the chip. there is absolutely nothing stopping ninty and AMD making the GPU be more like 6 wii GPU tied together....or just like the 360 GPU but with a few more features. PC hardware can give a rough idea of what we can expect but i emphasise rough. the way the PC hardware business works does not apply to consoles. although i dont think it is less powerful...theres nothing stopping nintendo from making something thats only half way between a wii and a PS3. a new console is a clean slate and the manufacturer can do what they want.osan0

Some of this is wrong.

Where are nintendo's sub 32 nano-meter production lines? I'm pretty sure they don't have any, but AMD does. So does intel.

AMD will likely engineer and produce the required chips, if they use technology that only PC hardware manufacturers can output readily.

Some of this is wrong.

Where are nintendo's sub 32 nano-meter production lines? I'm pretty sure they don't have any, but AMD does. So does intel.

AMD will likely engineer and produce the required chips, if they use technology that only PC hardware manufacturers can output readily.

Kinthalis

The Wii was 'next gen'. It's barely has more power than the original xbox.

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Some of this is wrong.

Where are nintendo's sub 32 nano-meter production lines? I'm pretty sure they don't have any, but AMD does. So does intel.

AMD will likely engineer and produce the required chips, if they use technology that only PC hardware manufacturers can output readily.

Teufelhuhn

I thought AMD bought them? Maybe I'm thinking of Global Foundries, doesn't AMD own them?

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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Some of this is wrong.

Where are nintendo's sub 32 nano-meter production lines? I'm pretty sure they don't have any, but AMD does. So does intel.

AMD will likely engineer and produce the required chips, if they use technology that only PC hardware manufacturers can output readily.

Kinthalis

I thought AMD bought them? Maybe I'm thinking of Global Foundries, doesn't AMD own them?

[QUOTE="osan0"]stopped reading at "it would be very expensive for nvidia to manufacture". now its time for a bit of a lesson in how console manufacturers work. 1) AMD will not be manufacturing the GPU for the wiiu. nintendo pay AMD for a blueprint basically. ninty then use this blueprint to tell whoever they want to manufacture it how to do it. manufacturing costs simply because its old is a non issue. 2) whatever chip is in the wiiu will not belong to AMD...it will be nintendos chip. ninty and AMD have probably been working on this chip for years but as mentioned ninty pay for the blueprint. im sure theres all sorts of agreements in the contract (like ninty cant sue AMD for making cards that do use some tech found in the wiiu GPU) but its nintys chip design to do with as they see fit. 2b) on a side note MS did licence out the GPU for the xbox1 so that design did still belong to nvidia. it caused sever headaches for MS 3) ninty and AMD are free to change, remove and add stuff as they see fit. its not going to be an off the shelf bit. ninty will have an idea of budget and capability for the chip. there is absolutely nothing stopping ninty and AMD making the GPU be more like 6 wii GPU tied together....or just like the 360 GPU but with a few more features. PC hardware can give a rough idea of what we can expect but i emphasise rough. the way the PC hardware business works does not apply to consoles. although i dont think it is less powerful...theres nothing stopping nintendo from making something thats only half way between a wii and a PS3. a new console is a clean slate and the manufacturer can do what they want.Kinthalis

Some of this is wrong.

Where are nintendo's sub 32 nano-meter production lines? I'm pretty sure they don't have any, but AMD does. So does intel.

AMD will likely engineer and produce the required chips, if they use technology that only PC hardware manufacturers can output readily.

Level 4 hmmmm

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I honestly couldn't care less. As long as it can pull off an HD resolution at a constant 60 fps then I will be satisfied. I buy gaming consoles for a CONSOLE-oriented experience. If I wanted a PC, I'd buy one (which I can hopefully do soon). The fact Sony and Microsoft are trying so hard to turn their consoles into PC's makes me uninterested in owning them. That is what I find funny about cows and lemmings. They knock the Wii U for not being a top-of-the-line powerhouse, but chances are both Sony and Microsoft are going to take notes from the Wii and cut back on power in order to generate greater profits from the start. Unless they really are that dumb and go into next-gen selling at a loss again.osan0

I am knowledgeable about PC hardware.

Xplode_games

This guy is an expert