If the GDDR5 set up in the ps4 is so good then why...

Because PC isn't a dedicated gaming machine.

It has to do a variety of tasks.

call_of_duty_10

pc's dont use graphics double data rate 3 ram either so i can reverse that arguement to xdone.

They share memory on the console because there's so little of it and it needs to be flexible.

So many posts from people who have no idea how PC architecture works, at all.

So many posts from people who have no idea how PC architecture works, at all.

Gargus

Yeah, too bad we're talking about consoles and not PC. :roll:

I doubt the 7850 on the PS4 will use anything more than 2gb's.. Especially when it is only doing 1080p and at 30fps at that for many games.. sSubZerOo

It has similar power to a 7850 but because it's an APU design and because consoles are more efficient than PCs it'll perform a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe not right away but eventually it'll accomplish twice what the similarly powered 7850 in a PC can do. As far as the 8 gigs of RAM goes I expect open-world to be one of the things that defines the next generation.

Btw, it's just a rumor right now but I've heard that the upcoming AMD Radeon 8970 for PC is going to have 6 gigs of GDDR5. That's a sign of the huge amount of RAM in consoles influencing computer graphics cards already.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I doubt the 7850 on the PS4 will use anything more than 2gb's.. Especially when it is only doing 1080p and at 30fps at that for many games.. Wickerman777

It has similar power to a 7850 but because it's an APU design and because consoles are more efficient than PCs it'll perform a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe not right away but eventually it'll accomplish twice what the similarly powered 7850 in a PC can do. As far as the 8 gigs of RAM goes I expect open-world to be one of the things that defines the next generation.

Btw, it's just a rumor right now but I've heard that the upcoming AMD Radeon 8970 for PC is going to have 6 gigs of GDDR5. That's a sign of the huge amount of RAM in consoles influencing computer graphics cards already.

The heaviest hitter with graphic ram in which you actually see a difference is with textures and resolution.. The PS4 will not be doing anything beyond 1080p.. Contrary to popular belief here, a chipset can only use so much graphic memory based upon it's bandwidth.. That is why you see the 7850 with the highest being 4gb.. And every review I have seen has shown that the 2gb and 4gb are interchangable, making it a pretty big waste of money inless your doing higher resolution or multi monitor displays....

And the 8970 is a flagship card in which the people who will be using it are the ones who are going to be gaming beyond 1080p and most likely having multi screen displays.. That is not a good comparison to a mid level card like the 7850.. Slapping a bunch of memory on a card doesn't some how make it magically better, it has to have the speed and bandwidth to actually use it.. And like I said.. There is a reason why the 7850 has a 2gb version and the said 4gb version literally has 0 performance difference with it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I doubt the 7850 on the PS4 will use anything more than 2gb's.. Especially when it is only doing 1080p and at 30fps at that for many games.. Wickerman777

It has similar power to a 7850 but because it's an APU design and because consoles are more efficient than PCs it'll perform a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe not right away but eventually it'll accomplish twice what the similarly powered 7850 in a PC can do. As far as the 8 gigs of RAM goes I expect open-world to be one of the things that defines the next generation.

Btw, it's just a rumor right now but I've heard that the upcoming AMD Radeon 8970 for PC is going to have 6 gigs of GDDR5. That's a sign of the huge amount of RAM in consoles influencing computer graphics cards already.

GFX titan already has 6Gb...

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I doubt the 7850 on the PS4 will use anything more than 2gb's.. Especially when it is only doing 1080p and at 30fps at that for many games.. sSubZerOo

It has similar power to a 7850 but because it's an APU design and because consoles are more efficient than PCs it'll perform a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe not right away but eventually it'll accomplish twice what the similarly powered 7850 in a PC can do. As far as the 8 gigs of RAM goes I expect open-world to be one of the things that defines the next generation.

Btw, it's just a rumor right now but I've heard that the upcoming AMD Radeon 8970 for PC is going to have 6 gigs of GDDR5. That's a sign of the huge amount of RAM in consoles influencing computer graphics cards already.

The heaviest hitter with graphic ram in which you actually see a difference is with textures and resolution.. The PS4 will not be doing anything beyond 1080p.. Contrary to popular belief here, a chipset can only use so much graphic memory based upon it's bandwidth.. That is why you see the 7850 with the highest being 4gb.. And every review I have seen has shown that the 2gb and 4gb are interchangable, making it a pretty big waste of money inless your doing higher resolution or multi monitor displays....

And the 8970 is a flagship card in which the people who will be using it are the ones who are going to be gaming beyond 1080p and most likely having multi screen displays.. That is not a good comparison to a mid level card like the 7850.. Slapping a bunch of memory on a card doesn't some how make it magically better, it has to have the speed and bandwidth to actually use it.. And like I said.. There is a reason why the 7850 has a 2gb version and the said 4gb version literally has 0 performance difference with it.

I think you're ignoring the fact that game design is going to change because of the 8 gigs. Yeah, you're absolutely right when you say that graphics cards for PC don't need that much memory right now. Although they're much more powerful than PS3 and X360 they are running that generation of games but with more graphical bells and whistles. But now that consoles have 8 gigs of memory available to them everything is gonna get turned on its head. Game design is going to go in a new direction and large amounts of memory will become necessary on PC as well.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I doubt the 7850 on the PS4 will use anything more than 2gb's.. Especially when it is only doing 1080p and at 30fps at that for many games.. Bebi_vegeta

It has similar power to a 7850 but because it's an APU design and because consoles are more efficient than PCs it'll perform a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe not right away but eventually it'll accomplish twice what the similarly powered 7850 in a PC can do. As far as the 8 gigs of RAM goes I expect open-world to be one of the things that defines the next generation.

Btw, it's just a rumor right now but I've heard that the upcoming AMD Radeon 8970 for PC is going to have 6 gigs of GDDR5. That's a sign of the huge amount of RAM in consoles influencing computer graphics cards already.

GFX titan already has 6Gb...

Lol, I consider Titan irrelevant since it costs $1,000. 8970 will be half that price.

I doubt the 7850 on the PS4 will use anything more than 2gb's.. Especially when it is only doing 1080p and at 30fps at that for many games.. sSubZerOo

Killzone PS4 already uses 4GB..

The PS4 is stronger than a 7850 and like i say in the countless debates just because PC developers can't go crazy using allot of ram doesn't mean the PS4 is bound by that same rule,PC developer are bound by legasy period most GPU out there on PC don't have more than 1.5GB of memory,so any developer who make a game to take real advantage of what a 4GB 7970 can do in memory will have problems scaling down period.

Crysis 3 doesn't reach 3GB and Killzone PS4 already use 4 GB.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I doubt the 7850 on the PS4 will use anything more than 2gb's.. Especially when it is only doing 1080p and at 30fps at that for many games.. sSubZerOo

It has similar power to a 7850 but because it's an APU design and because consoles are more efficient than PCs it'll perform a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe not right away but eventually it'll accomplish twice what the similarly powered 7850 in a PC can do. As far as the 8 gigs of RAM goes I expect open-world to be one of the things that defines the next generation.

Btw, it's just a rumor right now but I've heard that the upcoming AMD Radeon 8970 for PC is going to have 6 gigs of GDDR5. That's a sign of the huge amount of RAM in consoles influencing computer graphics cards already.

The heaviest hitter with graphic ram in which you actually see a difference is with textures and resolution.. The PS4 will not be doing anything beyond 1080p.. Contrary to popular belief here, a chipset can only use so much graphic memory based upon it's bandwidth.. That is why you see the 7850 with the highest being 4gb.. And every review I have seen has shown that the 2gb and 4gb are interchangable, making it a pretty big waste of money inless your doing higher resolution or multi monitor displays....

And the 8970 is a flagship card in which the people who will be using it are the ones who are going to be gaming beyond 1080p and most likely having multi screen displays.. That is not a good comparison to a mid level card like the 7850.. Slapping a bunch of memory on a card doesn't some how make it magically better, it has to have the speed and bandwidth to actually use it.. And like I said.. There is a reason why the 7850 has a 2gb version and the said 4gb version literally has 0 performance difference with it.

By this line ^^^ the xbox 360 should have only use 2 core of its CPU,and the PS3 the PPE and 1 SPE,because if PC doesn't do it the consoles can't either..

Killzone PS4 use 4Gb and is a launch game,unfinish that is already more than Crysis 3.

GDDR5 have high CAS latency, which is bad for the CPU, that is why.

 

MK-Professor

Killzone demo was using 3gb for graphics and about 1.5gb for CPU (since it was running on a non-final dev kit we can assume it had about 5gb free mem for games).

Sony demos at E3 looked very unfinished, but thats really whats expected from E3! By GamesCom/TGS they will look more polished :D

Because this

Why don't PCs have DDR5 as system RAM? There are two reasons. For one, DDR3 actually has lower latency than DDR5, making it better for a CPU's quick-access general tasks. And while its bandwidth is a fraction of DDR5's, it is still more than adequate to provide data to the CPU. If we replaced it with gaming DDR5 we might actually see reduced CPU performance due to DDR5's increased latency.

seanmcloughlin

PCs have to do a lot more than just games and they can' afford to have a laggy CPU. This is why a lot of people are saying they think the DDR5 is gonna hold back the PS4s CPU, especially for the non gaming side of things

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

GDDR5 have high CAS latency, which is bad for the CPU, that is why.

 

xboxiphoneps3

It's funny debating PC guys when it comes to consoles. They always want to assume that the same problems that apply to PC are gonna apply to consoles as well. Consoles are a closed architecture. Unlike with computers the rules can be rewritten with each new generation. Perhaps one day they'll finally get it.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

GDDR5 have high CAS latency, which is bad for the CPU, that is why.

 

xboxiphoneps3

Here's an article.

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Jinx+01/ps4-what-does-8gb-of-ddr5-mean-for-the-system--248786.phtml

Razor_defiace

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I doubt the 7850 on the PS4 will use anything more than 2gb's.. Especially when it is only doing 1080p and at 30fps at that for many games.. tormentos

Killzone PS4 already uses 4GB..

The PS4 is stronger than a 7850 and like i say in the countless debates just because PC developers can't go crazy using allot of ram doesn't mean the PS4 is bound by that same rule,PC developer are bound by legasy period most GPU out there on PC don't have more than 1.5GB of memory,so any developer who make a game to take real advantage of what a 4GB 7970 can do in memory will have problems scaling down period.

Crysis 3 doesn't reach 3GB and Killzone PS4 already use 4 GB.

KZ SF only used like 3Gb for the GPU

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

It has similar power to a 7850 but because it's an APU design and because consoles are more efficient than PCs it'll perform a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe not right away but eventually it'll accomplish twice what the similarly powered 7850 in a PC can do. As far as the 8 gigs of RAM goes I expect open-world to be one of the things that defines the next generation.

Btw, it's just a rumor right now but I've heard that the upcoming AMD Radeon 8970 for PC is going to have 6 gigs of GDDR5. That's a sign of the huge amount of RAM in consoles influencing computer graphics cards already.

tormentos

The heaviest hitter with graphic ram in which you actually see a difference is with textures and resolution.. The PS4 will not be doing anything beyond 1080p.. Contrary to popular belief here, a chipset can only use so much graphic memory based upon it's bandwidth.. That is why you see the 7850 with the highest being 4gb.. And every review I have seen has shown that the 2gb and 4gb are interchangable, making it a pretty big waste of money inless your doing higher resolution or multi monitor displays....

And the 8970 is a flagship card in which the people who will be using it are the ones who are going to be gaming beyond 1080p and most likely having multi screen displays.. That is not a good comparison to a mid level card like the 7850.. Slapping a bunch of memory on a card doesn't some how make it magically better, it has to have the speed and bandwidth to actually use it.. And like I said.. There is a reason why the 7850 has a 2gb version and the said 4gb version literally has 0 performance difference with it.

By this line ^^^ the xbox 360 should have only use 2 core of its CPU,and the PS3 the PPE and 1 SPE,because if PC doesn't do it the consoles can't either..

Killzone PS4 use 4Gb and is a launch game,unfinish that is already more than Crysis 3.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

It has similar power to a 7850 but because it's an APU design and because consoles are more efficient than PCs it'll perform a hell of a lot better than that. Maybe not right away but eventually it'll accomplish twice what the similarly powered 7850 in a PC can do. As far as the 8 gigs of RAM goes I expect open-world to be one of the things that defines the next generation.

Btw, it's just a rumor right now but I've heard that the upcoming AMD Radeon 8970 for PC is going to have 6 gigs of GDDR5. That's a sign of the huge amount of RAM in consoles influencing computer graphics cards already.

Wickerman777

GFX titan already has 6Gb...

Lol, I consider Titan irrelevant since it costs $1,000. 8970 will be half that price.

It still doesn't change what I said... The 8Gb of GDDR5 in PS4 won't only be used by the GPU...BTW.

They will be compareable with edge slightly to ps4 also depends on devs

They will be compareable with edge slightly to ps4 also depends on devs

Mr720fan

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

They will be compareable with edge slightly to ps4 also depends on devs

legalize82

[QUOTE="legalize82"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

They will be compareable with edge slightly to ps4 also depends on devs

FPSfan1985

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Why should I torture myself with Win7 and 512mb of RAM/?tormentos

You should not there is a reason why many people use 8GB,is not for show dude.

Is the point what you should see,Ram impact performance greatly,have to little and you will have problems.

I am using 4GB of RAM on my older PC setup and every game runs fine without a hitch.

Windows 7 only needs about 300mb of RAM dedicated to itself the rest is allocated to what programs need it the most.

Heck most games are still fine with 2GB of RAM and you could get by with 3GB of RAM for the games like Crysis 3.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

 

^ 100% BS

ps4 CPU will not use more than 20GB/s of memory bandwidth and the rest 156GB/s will be used by the GPU.

So the CPU is getting 20GB/s with high CAS latency.

Also GDDR5 exist on pc from 2008 as GPU memory and will never be used as main system memory.

MK-Professor

The memory speed is 5500mhz far faster than DDR3,even is only one part is recerve for GPU..

Worried about GDDR5 latencies? Don't be. Large Cache, very capable bus, shortcuts and clever data transferring between CPU and GPU make that a non-issue.

This^^.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/3/5/amd-kaveri-unveiled-pc-architecture-gets-gddr5.aspx

The ps4 CPU is getting 20GB/s with high CAS latency. get over it.

for example my CPU is getting 48GB/s with low CAS latency, and my 2 GPU's of total of 600GB/s. LOL the 156GB/s ps4 GPU have.

You do know that each of those GPUs have to share the same memory pool right?

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Because PC isn't a dedicated gaming machine.

It has to do a variety of tasks.

SKaREO

Lol my PC I built in 2011 is more powerful than the PS4 and it's a single GPU build.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Because PC isn't a dedicated gaming machine.

It has to do a variety of tasks.

RyviusARC

Lol my PC I built in 2011 is more powerful than the PS4 and it's a single GPU build.

and 30 % is not alot ?legalize82

30% is alot and anyone that says other wise don't get that both GPU's are the same. One has less processing then the other. This isn't 360 vs PS3. These are all AMD parts.

There is no special cpu the other doesn't have... It also not AMD vs Nvidia like last gen.

You'll see the differance. Maybe not at first but 3 years from now your going to see 30% gap.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

The memory speed is 5500mhz far faster than DDR3,even is only one part is recerve for GPU..

 

Worried about GDDR5 latencies? Don't be. Large Cache, very capable bus, shortcuts and clever data transferring between CPU and GPU make that a non-issue.

This^^.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/3/5/amd-kaveri-unveiled-pc-architecture-gets-gddr5.aspx

RyviusARC

The ps4 CPU is getting 20GB/s with high CAS latency. get over it.

for example my CPU is getting 48GB/s with low CAS latency, and my 2 GPU's of total of 600GB/s. LOL the 156GB/s ps4 GPU have.

You do know that each of those GPUs have to share the same memory pool right?

we are talking about memory bandwidth not the amount of memory.

[QUOTE="legalize82"] and 30 % is not alot ?Truth_Hurts_U

30% is alot and anyone that says other wise don't get that both GPU's are the same. One has less processing then the other. This isn't 360 vs PS3. These are all AMD parts.

There is no special cpu the other doesn't have... It also not AMD vs Nvidia like last gen.

You'll see the differance. Maybe not at first but 3 years from now your going to see 30% gap.

[QUOTE="legalize82"] and 30 % is not alot ?Truth_Hurts_U

30% is alot and anyone that says other wise don't get that both GPU's are the same. One has less processing then the other. This isn't 360 vs PS3. These are all AMD parts.

There is no special cpu the other doesn't have... It also not AMD vs Nvidia like last gen.

You'll see the differance. Maybe not at first but 3 years from now your going to see 30% gap.

GDDr5 is bad ass. Great for gaming. PS4 has a long future because of the GDDR5

Well first let me say the full specs of Xbox One are not actually out yet. Just saying that now. As for this thread, every single post is wrong. I don't care what side you are on, each one has disadvantages and advantages and everyone is ignoring all of them.NationProtector

Oh please dude the spec are the ones leaked just like everything,else was leaked.

Hyding on MS nagative attitude to talk about spec in noothing change that,MS doesn't want to talk spec because the xbox is heavily out gunned,the only thing they dare say was that ram on the xbox was more custom..:lol:

The spec are known 8 core CPU,12 CU units GPU and 768 SP nothing more nothing less,now go do that PR sh** talk else where.

Bullsh!t. Look at the hd 7850 vs the 7870. Like a 50% flop advantage, yet only a 10%ish difference real world. Even smaller in more demanding games. Even with 50% more terflops the 7870 only gets like 5 more frames in games like metro or crysis. A 30% advantage in terflops isn't going to be game changing at all.FPSfan1985

Maybe you don't get that PC is not a console.

Software level vs HW level.

Stop trying you sound dumb.

Yeah and then Microsoft will have "TEH CLOUD" running and the xbox one can offload all the other pointless stuff and itll give it a 31% increase and you'll notice the 1% :Po0squishy0o

Here is alot of tech info on PS4.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/06/23/the-dark-sorcerer-ps4-tech-demo-used-only-4-gb-of-gddr5-ram-1-million-polygons-just-for-the-set/