If Death Stranding flops, will it be the end of Kojima's career?

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Poll: If Death Stranding flops, will it be the end of Kojima's career? (74 votes)

Yes, the guy is done. 14%
Nah, he can do something else. 86%

Death Stranding may be the the first Kojima console game I don't buy at launch. There is still a chance I may do it.. we'll see how those reviews are on Friday. But if the game becomes a flop, will this be the end of Kojima's career, SW? He's already nearing the end of it so I don't know what else he would do except maybe some weird indie game. Let me know your thoughts!

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#1 x_Hedon
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Nope, he will just keep on making games. It's his passion.

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#2  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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Won't flop.

Be good, which in critic language is "the most thing ever, good gollys".

Or shit, which in critic language will be "This is a great game but it might be too different for common pond scum gamer, le art ohheohe sacre bleu"

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#3 Pedro
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It would be praised by critics with the disclaimer that its concepts are a little beyond the reach of the average 100 billion brain celled organisms.

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#5 Subspecies
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You've got to be kidding. Not even close. Kojima loves--really, really loves what he does. He has stated numerous times he plans on making video games until he dies. And he has a solid fanbase that will buy his games until he dies.

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#6 onesiphorus
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That is like asking if the next Legend of Zelda/Super Mario game flops, will it be the end of Shigeru Miyamoto career.

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#7 SolidGame_basic  Online
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@onesiphorus said:

That is like asking if the next Legend of Zelda/Super Mario game flops, will it be the end of Shigeru Miyamoto career.

I'm sure Kojima would be flattered to be considered in the same group as Miyamoto, but he's not even close. His biggest success was with Metal Gear Solid. If Death Stranding flops, who will publish his next game?

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#8 Vaeh
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@SolidGame_basic said:

Death Stranding may be the the first Kojima console game I don't buy at launch.

Truth has been spoken lol.

@x_hedon said:

Nope, he will just keep on making games. It's his passion.

lol he makes trailers.

@subspecies said:

And he has a solid fanbase that will buy his games until he dies.

*movies

@SolidGame_basic said:

If Death Stranding flops, who will publish his next game?

China

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#9 Subspecies
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@vaeh said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

Death Stranding may be the the first Kojima console game I don't buy at launch.

Truth has been spoken lol.

@x_hedon said:

Nope, he will just keep on making games. It's his passion.

lol he makes trailers.

@subspecies said:

And he has a solid fanbase that will buy his games until he dies.

*movies

@SolidGame_basic said:

If Death Stranding flops, who will publish his next game?

China

Kojima gets under your skin, I see.

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Its simple, if the games a success Kojima will claim most of the credit, if it flops its his team that will get most of the flack from fans, shit his followers will even blame Konami for it, anyone but Kojima.

Either way it will be entertaining, as for him being done, nah Sony will prop him up for years to come, then they will realise why Konami gave him the arse lol.

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#11 PSP107
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@i_p_daily: "shit his followers will even blame Konami for it, anyone but Kojima."

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Anyway, after just literally watching a 7 min launch trailer, I still don't know what this game is about from gameplay a standpoint.

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#12  Edited By MirkoS77
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Kojima has a cult behind him analogous to Trump. He could **** up every game from now until the end of time, and he’d still be worshipped. His games (everything since MGS 3) have been utter shit aside their technical and gameplay competence and he’s doing fine. The guy’s in the unique and enviable position of being able to create whatever he desires, no matter how awful, and be rewarded for it.

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#13 I_P_Daily
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@PSP107 said:

@i_p_daily: "shit his followers will even blame Konami for it, anyone but Kojima."

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Anyway, after just literally watching a 7 min launch trailer, I still don't know what this game is about from gameplay a standpoint.

You poor bastard, that's 7mins you'll never get back lol.

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#14 x_Hedon
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@SolidGame_basic: 505 Games. They will publish anything!

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#15 DragonfireXZ95
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I doubt it will flop, and even if it does, it won't stop him from making games. Plenty of flops have come out and the devs of said flops are still making games.

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#16 Vaeh
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@subspecies said:
@vaeh said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

Death Stranding may be the the first Kojima console game I don't buy at launch.

Truth has been spoken lol.

@x_hedon said:

Nope, he will just keep on making games. It's his passion.

lol he makes trailers.

@subspecies said:

And he has a solid fanbase that will buy his games until he dies.

*movies

@SolidGame_basic said:

If Death Stranding flops, who will publish his next game?

China

Kojima gets under your skin, I see.

lol Sony employee I'm admirer of games that don't get coverage. Don't expect PC release i'll kiss the ass of Kojima.

I will take non-mainstream Japanese game over this any day. One last thing...

Console peasant Geoff Keighley ruined the image of Canada. Too bad my crush lives there.

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#17 KungfuKitten
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No I think he could totally do something else. But there have been reviewer whispers. I think it will be at the very least a good game.

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@MirkoS77 said:

Kojima has a cult behind him analogous to Trump. He could **** up every game from now until the end of time, and he’d still be worshipped. His games (everything since MGS 3) have been utter shit aside their technical and gameplay competence and he’s doing fine. The guy’s in the unique and enviable position of being able to create whatever he desires, no matter how awful, and be rewarded for it.

Well said sad but true cults are a powerful thing.

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#19 Archangel3371
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No, I seriously doubt that. He’s a great game creator and I’m sure any company would be happy to have him onboard making something for them. I really doubt that this game will flop though as he has a solid pedigree of games in his portfolio.

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#20 PC_Rocks
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@x_hedon said:

Nope, he will just keep on making games. It's his passion.

Watching movies and fapping over Hollywood celebrities is his passion.

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#21 lundy86_4
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His games are by-and-large solid, if not a bit bloated. He has a lot of talent, but this game is just a big question mark for me. As it is, I think it will do quite well in sales... He's been dangling that carrot pretty heavily.

Say the game were to fail horrendously, it would depend on if a publisher would be willing to back him, or if he were willing to scale back to more indie-like status.

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no.

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#23  Edited By lamprey263
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He's running his own studio now, depending on how he negotiated royalties on its sales may have more to say about the viability of his studio and independence going forward than the success of his game. Even a lot of independent studios who make great games don't seem to have much freedom to take time to breathe and work on projects of their choosing, Platinum Games is a good example, they just chase project after project just to keep the lights on. At very least, if Sony is willing to foot the bill for his games then he should be okay regardless.

Also, they guy made MGS4, like worst game I ever played, and that game was celebrated to no end. There's an emperor's invisible clothes quality to his games and him that honestly I don't think he could make a game people would regard as bad even if it was. And if he makes games exclusively for Sony and has their cult of support then I don't think there's anything he really has to worry about.

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#24 Guntster22
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No, enough will buy just for the hype it will generate. Saying that , from what I've seen I'll pass.

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#25 R-Gamer
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Nah.. he could join another studio.

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Castlevania reboot that the guy produced only receive warm positive reception, didnt damage his reputation at all.

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I'm sure Kojima's career will be fine.

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#28 SaltSlasher
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Sony will boy whatever he does, and imagine even if they get sick of him like Konami did, that Kojima's ego will keep him making games with own money, and likely burn out like Cliffy B, where he'll run out of actual good ideas, make some tripe and quit the business. I can see how some people think Death Stranding is the game his Lawbreakers, but I see another few games in him. People will pay just for his name to be associated with their game.

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#29 Zero_epyon
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Being that he now owns his own studio, I think he'll be fine.

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#30  Edited By x_Hedon
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@pc_rocks said:
@x_hedon said:

Nope, he will just keep on making games. It's his passion.

Watching movies and fapping over Hollywood celebrities is his passion.

Well, whatever his passion is, I think he will just keep making games if the game didn't do well. He likes doing it.

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No It will not be the end of his career. Death Stranding is likely to flop. He will survive

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@x_hedon:

He make games, doesn't means he likes it. I don't like shit yet I shit every day.

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@pc_rocks said:

@x_hedon:

He make games, doesn't means he likes it. I don't like shit yet I shit every day.

Ok, well I got nothing. I personally don't know him, so I can't say one way or the other.

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nope, his track record is too good.

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@Zero_epyon said:

Being that he now owns his own studio, I think he'll be fine.

Plus the game isn't going to flop.

Early leaked reviews says so. Its going to sell really well and be critically acclaimed.

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#36 R10nu
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Too big to fail.

The Dorito Pope will personally suck off every game journo in observable galaxy to ensure this game's good scores.

It could end up a Turd Roasting Simulator 2019 and still get it's 9/10's.

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#37  Edited By Epak_
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Seems like it's getting praise everywhere, I can wait though, too many games I have to play now.

Edit: Scratch that, seem like the reviews are a mixed bag. See how interested I'm in the game, can't even be bothered to do my research... :P :P :P

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@Epak_ said:

Seems like it's getting praise everywhere, I can wait though, too many games I have to play now.

Maybe you should look harder as it has like 11 mixed reviews and 1 bad, not exactly being praised everywhere unless that everywhere is a PlayStation site lol.

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Impossible to destroy his god status. Fanboys will eat anything he makes. DS will sell millions, but i dont think it will sell as good as other PS exclusives, God of War, Horizon..

Wonder if his friend dorito Jeoff will nominate DS for GOTY with 84 meta and probably lower user reviews lol

This is a game without the A Hideo Kojima Game...

Actually looks more fun tbh that is some unbalanced ratings. Now if Kojima made this....

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@KillzoneSnake said:

Impossible to destroy his god status. Fanboys will eat anything he makes. DS will sell millions, but i dont think it will sell as good as other PS exclusives, God of War, Horizon..

Wonder if his friend dorito Jeoff will nominate DS for GOTY with 84 meta and probably lower user reviews lol

This is a game without the A Hideo Kojima Game...

Actually looks more fun tbh that is some unbalanced ratings. Now if Kojima made this....

Be interesting to see if after all his grandiose attempts at shitting on Left Alive, Breath Of The Wild and David Cage if Jim Sterling will apply the same mentality here or munch on some yummy yummy Mr. Kojima Japanese sausage.

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No. Death Stranding is essentially an experimental indie art project with a big budget. Experiments are always risky endeavours. If it fails, then he can just go back to making stealth games, or finally make that Silent Hills game (under a new IP) many have been looking forward to. If DS succeeds, then he can continue making whatever bonkers art projects he pleases.

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#42 PC_Rocks
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@Jag85 said:

No. Death Stranding is essentially an experimental indie art project with a big budget. Experiments are always risky endeavours. If it fails, then he can just go back to making stealth games, or finally make that Silent Hills game (under a new IP) many have been looking forward to. If DS succeeds, then he can continue making whatever bonkers art projects he pleases.

1. It's not indie.

2. It's not experimental.

3. It's definitely not an art either like all of his games.

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@pc_rocks:

1. Metaphor. It's like an indie game.

2. Death Stranding is an experimental open-world delivery simulator.

3. Art is subjective. One could even argue that all video games are art.

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It's changed gaming forever, Thursday was a different time.

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#45 lundy86_4
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@Jag85 said:

@pc_rocks:

2. Death Stranding is an experimental open-world delivery simulator.

Well, that's certainly a description. Is this a new genre?

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@uninspiredcup said:

It's changed gaming forever, Thursday was a different time.

I'm gonna say that I legitimately laughed at this. Kudos.

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@lundy86_4 said:
@Jag85 said:

@pc_rocks:

2. Death Stranding is an experimental open-world delivery simulator.

Well, that's certainly a description. Is this a new genre?

Kojima invented the "fetch quest" a few hours back.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@lundy86_4 said:
@Jag85 said:

@pc_rocks:

2. Death Stranding is an experimental open-world delivery simulator.

Well, that's certainly a description. Is this a new genre?

Kojima invented the "fetch quest" a few hours back.

That is certainly an eloquent description for a "fetch-quest" genre. Kojima has switched up the game, and made it all about that shit.

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#49  Edited By Jag85
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@lundy86_4 said:
@Jag85 said:

@pc_rocks:

2. Death Stranding is an experimental open-world delivery simulator.

Well, that's certainly a description. Is this a new genre?

You could also just call it a "parcel delivery simulator"... which, for a while now, is what people were calling it for a joke, and that's more-or-less what the game turned out to be.

It's not a new genre though. Turns out Death Stranding is a throwback to the first ever computer game that Kojima created, an obscure 8-bit MSX delivery simulator:

Penguin Adventure (1986)

Before Death Stranding, Kojima made an obscure delivery game for a Microsoft computer

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#50 PC_Rocks
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@Jag85 said:

@pc_rocks:

1. Metaphor. It's like an indie game.

2. Death Stranding is an experimental open-world delivery simulator.

3. Art is subjective. One could even argue that all video games are art.

1. Don't at all see how, not even metaphorically. Sounds like DC for Kojima and downright insulting to indie devs/games by somehow equating them to low quality.

2. It's not. Experimental means something that hasn't been done before. Plenty of games had fetch quests and almost nothing but them.

3. If you adhere to a lose term then yes, every thing that involved creativity is art but that's DC for Kojima. No art degrades the medium it's utilizing, if it does, that's extremely bad. Nonsense could not be considered as art which is ironically all Kojima has to show for him self.