Hypothetically... if PS5 were more powerful than Anaconda. Should Microsoft...

Wait, when did MS confirm they are releasing 2 consoles next gen???

The games are what matter. Just stick with the hardware you have and put out some quality software. If people are really interested in power, they wouldn't be looking at consoles to begin with they would be herming it up.

The most powerful console doesn’t win the generation... Look it up

Not sure. I concluded that was still the plan.

Are you saying the XB1 is more powerful than the PS4?

It’s funny how every sad cow apparently doesn’t care about power, yet keeps creating one stupid thread after another with that exact topic..

You lot are getting mid gen upgrades, probably best to wait.

So you don't care about power. What brings you by?

@i_p_daily: The Xbox One X launched and didn’t move the needle in Microsoft’s favor in the slightest. Sony even preemptively launched the Pro to counter the X which also didn’t sell. The Switch has passed the PS4 in Japan in a fraction of the time. All of these factors prove that power doesn’t matter.

They can create the weakest and cheapest next gen console and still have a market thanks to PC-Xbox strategy.

I wonder if pushing pc tech to its limits would be even a valid strategy where their 1080p streaming shows much better graphics than most consoles.

@goldenelementxl: Using mid gen resfreshers as your argument, thats when you lost the debate lol.

they better throw some money around to get some worthwhile exclusives then

@BenjaminBanklin: "still the plan"

Like i said MS never confirmed there will be 2 consoles next gen, its been speculation but thats it.

That and MS never mentioned a second console at E3.

Wait, are you talking about MS releasing Scarlet as the main console and later on, MS will release the upgrade version? If so, I thought that was the norm now for both MS/Sony.

@Xabiss said:

You can still kiss my ass.

They are running the same hardware. It's very unlikely that there will be any significant difference between them

No, the talk surrounding the supposed plans that Xbox was supposed to release an affordable model and a prime model at launch. Codenamed Lockheart and Anaconda. Phil doesn't seem to have a comment on the former right now, so no one knows if it's still a thing.

If that happens I think they should release Age of Empires 4, it won't change anything, but I've waiting for it for more than a decade.

Yeah, I don't see that happening ever again from both Sony/MS. PS3 was a prime example and it didn't work out well and the same goes for Xbox 360 during their launch. It cost way too much money on making both models as it is and Sony/MS got it right the first time with PS4/Xbox One.

It did matter when the PS4 and Xbone were announced. Beyond Sony actually focusing on games, the performance gulf and resulting improved image quality on PS4 over the Xbone versions likely helped it quite a bit. The mid gen refreshes would not hold the same kind of clout because they did not set the stage for the generation. They were simply upgrades that would not establish the foothold created by the original machines.

I think it's a bit up in the air that the PS5 and Scarlett get top end refreshes this gen though. They will be getting relatively high end GPU arrays, probably in the 12 TFLOP range, and on par with Radeon VII, if RDNA's utilization improvements scale with CU counts and clock speed. Throw in the hardware RT abilities, even if minor, and alot of PCers will be wanting to upgrade to catch up or stay ahead. It's not the same situation in 2013. The PS4 in 2013 had less than half the TFLOPS of the top end Radeon 7970 that released almost two years prior, the Xbone, not even a third. Then there was the R9 290X.......... The refreshes last gen were necessary to satiate a quiet demand for improved image quality and performance, though both refreshes are still massively held back by the Jaguar cores. But graphically the systems look great at above 1080p resolutions. No doubt.

The rumors of MS having a lower end SKU to follow Scarlett Anaconda are founded (Lockhart), and it makes sense because there is a huge difference in performance required for 4K and 1080p, esp when considering ray tracing. A 6 TFLOP machine could cover this as the Xbox One X will lack the massive CPU processing capability an octo-core Zen 2 processor brings to the table. But I would argue that such a machine would not get released until a year or two later, since the XB1X and Lockhart would be competing against eachother until XBone releases trickle to a close. RT could make the real difference though, even at the same base TFLOP as a preceding console, assuming the RT hardware is comprised of specialized units a la Turing. But knowing AMD, I could see them devising a unit useful for RT or other general rendering tasks instead of sitting their idling in software that foregoes RT.