Hypothetically... if PS5 were more powerful than Anaconda. Should Microsoft...

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Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4567 posts) 4 days, 15 hours ago

Poll: Hypothetically... if PS5 were more powerful than Anaconda. Should Microsoft... (7 votes)

... hurry and try to put a third, stronger Scarlett box in turnaround to save face? 14%
... just stay the course with the two boxes it has for the gen? 86%

Ya know. Xbox was banking pretty hard on turning Xbox around with a more powerful console this gen, being that they leaned pretty hard into the power narrative by creating the most expensive box at current. Can't imagine what would be left as a selling point for Xbox if they didn't have that advantage. Game Pass maybe?

I know I personally don't care if PS5 isn't more powerful, I'm still buying it, as Sony has only had one clearly more powerful console than Xbox the whole time Playstation's been on the market anyway. It's all about the library for me. But, some console gamers like having the strongest spec hardware. Should MS immediately keep the hardware arms race going against Sony, or find a way to sell Scarlett boxes based on content and value?

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#1 Posted by I_P_Daily (11650 posts) -

Wait, when did MS confirm they are releasing 2 consoles next gen???

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#2 Posted by verbalfilth (5008 posts) -

The games are what matter. Just stick with the hardware you have and put out some quality software. If people are really interested in power, they wouldn't be looking at consoles to begin with they would be herming it up.

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#3 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3113 posts) -

The most powerful console doesn’t win the generation... Look it up

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#4 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4567 posts) -
@i_p_daily said:

Wait, when did MS confirm they are releasing 2 consoles next gen???

Not sure. I concluded that was still the plan.

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#5 Posted by I_P_Daily (11650 posts) -

@goldenelementxl said:

The most powerful console doesn’t win the generation... Look it up

Are you saying the XB1 is more powerful than the PS4?

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#6 Posted by djoffer (1309 posts) -

It’s funny how every sad cow apparently doesn’t care about power, yet keeps creating one stupid thread after another with that exact topic..

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#7 Posted by Random_Matt (4115 posts) -

You lot are getting mid gen upgrades, probably best to wait.

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#8 Edited by BenjaminBanklin (4567 posts) -
@djoffer said:

It’s funny how every sad cow apparently doesn’t care about power, yet keeps creating one stupid thread after another with that exact topic..

So you don't care about power. What brings you by?

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#9 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3113 posts) -

@i_p_daily: The Xbox One X launched and didn’t move the needle in Microsoft’s favor in the slightest. Sony even preemptively launched the Pro to counter the X which also didn’t sell. The Switch has passed the PS4 in Japan in a fraction of the time. All of these factors prove that power doesn’t matter.

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#10 Posted by rzxv04 (686 posts) -

They can create the weakest and cheapest next gen console and still have a market thanks to PC-Xbox strategy.

I wonder if pushing pc tech to its limits would be even a valid strategy where their 1080p streaming shows much better graphics than most consoles.

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#11 Posted by I_P_Daily (11650 posts) -

@goldenelementxl: Using mid gen resfreshers as your argument, thats when you lost the debate lol.

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#12 Edited by DrLostRib (4885 posts) -

they better throw some money around to get some worthwhile exclusives then

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#13 Posted by I_P_Daily (11650 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin: "still the plan"

Like i said MS never confirmed there will be 2 consoles next gen, its been speculation but thats it.

That and MS never mentioned a second console at E3.

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#15 Posted by DaVillain- (36401 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin said:
@i_p_daily said:

Wait, when did MS confirm they are releasing 2 consoles next gen???

Not sure. I concluded that was still the plan.

Wait, are you talking about MS releasing Scarlet as the main console and later on, MS will release the upgrade version? If so, I thought that was the norm now for both MS/Sony.

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#16 Posted by Xabiss (2620 posts) -

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#17 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4567 posts) -
@Xabiss said:

You can still kiss my ass.

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#18 Edited by mazuiface (897 posts) -

They are running the same hardware. It's very unlikely that there will be any significant difference between them

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#19 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4567 posts) -
@davillain- said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:
@i_p_daily said:

Wait, when did MS confirm they are releasing 2 consoles next gen???

Not sure. I concluded that was still the plan.

Wait, are you talking about MS releasing Scarlet as the main console and later on, MS will release the upgrade version? If so, I thought that was the norm now for both MS/Sony.

No, the talk surrounding the supposed plans that Xbox was supposed to release an affordable model and a prime model at launch. Codenamed Lockheart and Anaconda. Phil doesn't seem to have a comment on the former right now, so no one knows if it's still a thing.

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#20 Posted by adsparky (1375 posts) -

If that happens I think they should release Age of Empires 4, it won't change anything, but I've waiting for it for more than a decade.

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#21 Posted by DaVillain- (36401 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin said:

No, the talk surrounding the supposed plans that Xbox was supposed to release an affordable model and a prime model at launch. Codenamed Lockheart and Anaconda. Phil doesn't seem to have a comment on the former right now, so no one knows if it's still a thing.

Yeah, I don't see that happening ever again from both Sony/MS. PS3 was a prime example and it didn't work out well and the same goes for Xbox 360 during their launch. It cost way too much money on making both models as it is and Sony/MS got it right the first time with PS4/Xbox One.

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#22 Edited by NUSNA_Moebius (118 posts) -

@goldenelementxl said:

@i_p_daily: The Xbox One X launched and didn’t move the needle in Microsoft’s favor in the slightest. Sony even preemptively launched the Pro to counter the X which also didn’t sell. The Switch has passed the PS4 in Japan in a fraction of the time. All of these factors prove that power doesn’t matter.

It did matter when the PS4 and Xbone were announced. Beyond Sony actually focusing on games, the performance gulf and resulting improved image quality on PS4 over the Xbone versions likely helped it quite a bit. The mid gen refreshes would not hold the same kind of clout because they did not set the stage for the generation. They were simply upgrades that would not establish the foothold created by the original machines.

I think it's a bit up in the air that the PS5 and Scarlett get top end refreshes this gen though. They will be getting relatively high end GPU arrays, probably in the 12 TFLOP range, and on par with Radeon VII, if RDNA's utilization improvements scale with CU counts and clock speed. Throw in the hardware RT abilities, even if minor, and alot of PCers will be wanting to upgrade to catch up or stay ahead. It's not the same situation in 2013. The PS4 in 2013 had less than half the TFLOPS of the top end Radeon 7970 that released almost two years prior, the Xbone, not even a third. Then there was the R9 290X.......... The refreshes last gen were necessary to satiate a quiet demand for improved image quality and performance, though both refreshes are still massively held back by the Jaguar cores. But graphically the systems look great at above 1080p resolutions. No doubt.

The rumors of MS having a lower end SKU to follow Scarlett Anaconda are founded (Lockhart), and it makes sense because there is a huge difference in performance required for 4K and 1080p, esp when considering ray tracing. A 6 TFLOP machine could cover this as the Xbox One X will lack the massive CPU processing capability an octo-core Zen 2 processor brings to the table. But I would argue that such a machine would not get released until a year or two later, since the XB1X and Lockhart would be competing against eachother until XBone releases trickle to a close. RT could make the real difference though, even at the same base TFLOP as a preceding console, assuming the RT hardware is comprised of specialized units a la Turing. But knowing AMD, I could see them devising a unit useful for RT or other general rendering tasks instead of sitting their idling in software that foregoes RT.