How long will it take for PC to catch up to Xbox One X?

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#251  Edited By xhawk27
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@ronvalencia said:
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Two to three(2 years) more GPU generations... You will get a RX760/GTX3050Ti with similar performance to a RX 580(590ish) for $200 but by then the X1X will probably be sold for $399.

The X1X in terms of price/performance is probably the best console in a long time.

That being said PC will always be more powerful, its no win battle. You guys get consoles built for price/performance where the manufactures make deals and lots of cost cutting is done its to meet the desired performance... PC can never compete directly since components are sold individually.

If you want price/perfomance and dont care about framerate get a X1X... If you care about framerates get a PC with a high end GPU, its simple as.

Nope, not even a single generation.

Vega 11 has RBE updates like X1X's RBE updates. Think of RX-580 with Vega 64 era clock speed e.g. 1.6 Ghz and RBE with mulit-MB of cache (copies GP104's cache layout).

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-vega-11-production

"AMD’s Vega isn't finished yet, Vega 11 goes into production to replace Polaris".

Vega 11 is needed for Raven Ridge SoC's Vega based IGP partnering e.g. a gaming laptop with Vega 11 (~36 CU) dGPU + SoC's Vega based IGP (11 CU) hybrid setup. Laptop market is X86's other half the market.

The GTX 1070ti is a rumor as of now and Vega 11 not out until early next year. They are having a hard time with Vega.

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#253 xhawk27
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@eliminatorpaige said:

Right now?

For $500?

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@xhawk27 said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Two to three(2 years) more GPU generations... You will get a RX760/GTX3050Ti with similar performance to a RX 580(590ish) for $200 but by then the X1X will probably be sold for $399.

The X1X in terms of price/performance is probably the best console in a long time.

That being said PC will always be more powerful, its no win battle. You guys get consoles built for price/performance where the manufactures make deals and lots of cost cutting is done its to meet the desired performance... PC can never compete directly since components are sold individually.

If you want price/perfomance and dont care about framerate get a X1X... If you care about framerates get a PC with a high end GPU, its simple as.

Nope, not even a single generation.

Vega 11 has RBE updates like X1X's RBE updates. Think of RX-580 with Vega 64 era clock speed e.g. 1.6 Ghz and RBE with mulit-MB of cache (copies GP104's cache layout).

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-vega-11-production

"AMD’s Vega isn't finished yet, Vega 11 goes into production to replace Polaris".

Vega 11 is needed for Raven Ridge SoC's Vega based IGP partnering e.g. a gaming laptop with Vega 11 (~36 CU) dGPU + SoC's Vega based IGP (11 CU) hybrid setup. Laptop market is X86's other half the market.

The GTX 1070ti is a rumor as of now and Vega 11 not out until early next year. They are having a hard time with Vega.

3 months pipeline, late Q4 or Q1. https://www.eteknix.com/amd-mainstream-vega-11-may-arrive-in-late-2017/

October time period is when Hynix's HBMv2 kicks into gear. http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/109427-amd-radeon-rx-vega-shortages-persist-october/

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#256  Edited By gamecubepad
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@ronvalencia:

Ethereum is still going strong. Spent the better part of the past month above $300 and peaked around $400. AMD couldn't come close to meeting demand for the RX 470/480/580, so miners started eating up the 1060's. I don't see any reason why a new GPU from either company would be priced decently or without the mining tax they've slapped on over the past year.

I bought my RX 480 8GB for $259 last year. They commonly sell for around $350 on ebay used. That will tell you how the pricing will go.

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@xhawk27 said:
@eliminatorpaige said:

Right now?

For $500?

Due to XBL costs, yes. Also this thread is a fallacy, PC doesn't have to catch up due to limiting factors such as a forced 30 fps in many games on XB1X.

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Until the consol is out and games do have patches to use that power and that said power do render games at 4k and they don't look like crap and the FPS is still stable ...

then yeah ok it is interestind, until then it is still marketing for nerdy kid to argue on the net

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@zaryia said:
@xhawk27 said:
@eliminatorpaige said:

Right now?

For $500?

Due to XBL costs, yes. Also this thread is a fallacy, PC doesn't have to catch up due to limiting factors such as a forced 30 fps in many games on XB1X.

I have seen 12 months of XBL cards on sale for $39. Don't forget you get lots of free games when you subscribe to XBL.

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@xhawk27 said:
@zaryia said:
@xhawk27 said:
@eliminatorpaige said:

Right now?

For $500?

Due to XBL costs, yes. Also this thread is a fallacy, PC doesn't have to catch up due to limiting factors such as a forced 30 fps in many games on XB1X.

I have seen 12 months of XBL cards on sale for $39. Don't forget you get lots of free games when you subscribe to XBL.

What type of shitty games do you get?

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@xhawk27 said:

I have seen 12 months of XBL cards on sale for $39. Don't forget you get lots of free games when you subscribe to XBL.

Honestly, you shouldn't be paying online at all!

There's a reason why I rather be playing on PC, free online!

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@xhawk27 said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Two to three(2 years) more GPU generations... You will get a RX760/GTX3050Ti with similar performance to a RX 580(590ish) for $200 but by then the X1X will probably be sold for $399.

The X1X in terms of price/performance is probably the best console in a long time.

That being said PC will always be more powerful, its no win battle. You guys get consoles built for price/performance where the manufactures make deals and lots of cost cutting is done its to meet the desired performance... PC can never compete directly since components are sold individually.

If you want price/perfomance and dont care about framerate get a X1X... If you care about framerates get a PC with a high end GPU, its simple as.

Nope, not even a single generation.

Vega 11 has RBE updates like X1X's RBE updates. Think of RX-580 with Vega 64 era clock speed e.g. 1.6 Ghz and RBE with mulit-MB of cache (copies GP104's cache layout).

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-vega-11-production

"AMD’s Vega isn't finished yet, Vega 11 goes into production to replace Polaris".

Vega 11 is needed for Raven Ridge SoC's Vega based IGP partnering e.g. a gaming laptop with Vega 11 (~36 CU) dGPU + SoC's Vega based IGP (11 CU) hybrid setup. Laptop market is X86's other half the market.

The GTX 1070ti is a rumor as of now and Vega 11 not out until early next year. They are having a hard time with Vega.

https://www.techpowerup.com/237016/nvidia-readying-a-geforce-gtx-1070-refresh-gtx-1070-ti

Another information source with GTX 1070 Ti. Techpowerup's own contacts has semi-confirmed the incoming GTX 1070 Ti SKU.

GTX 1080 with 20 SM and GDDR5X-11000 (second revision GTX 1080).

GTX 1070 Ti with 18 SM and perhaps GDDR5-9000 256 bit or GDDR5X-10000.

GTX 1070 with 15 SM and GDDR5-8000 256 bit.

GTX 1060 with 10 SM and GDDR5-9000 192 bit (second revision GTX 1060).

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#263 Zaryia
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@xhawk27 said:
@zaryia said:
@xhawk27 said:
@eliminatorpaige said:

Right now?

For $500?

Due to XBL costs, yes. Also this thread is a fallacy, PC doesn't have to catch up due to limiting factors such as a forced 30 fps in many games on XB1X.

I have seen 12 months of XBL cards on sale for $39. Don't forget you get lots of free games when you subscribe to XBL.

$50 a year times 6 years gen (probably more, but whatever). That is $300 on top of $500. A $800 PC easily beats XB1X and actually runs games at 60fps and better online.

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@ronvalencia said:
@xhawk27 said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Two to three(2 years) more GPU generations... You will get a RX760/GTX3050Ti with similar performance to a RX 580(590ish) for $200 but by then the X1X will probably be sold for $399.

The X1X in terms of price/performance is probably the best console in a long time.

That being said PC will always be more powerful, its no win battle. You guys get consoles built for price/performance where the manufactures make deals and lots of cost cutting is done its to meet the desired performance... PC can never compete directly since components are sold individually.

If you want price/perfomance and dont care about framerate get a X1X... If you care about framerates get a PC with a high end GPU, its simple as.

Nope, not even a single generation.

Vega 11 has RBE updates like X1X's RBE updates. Think of RX-580 with Vega 64 era clock speed e.g. 1.6 Ghz and RBE with mulit-MB of cache (copies GP104's cache layout).

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-vega-11-production

"AMD’s Vega isn't finished yet, Vega 11 goes into production to replace Polaris".

Vega 11 is needed for Raven Ridge SoC's Vega based IGP partnering e.g. a gaming laptop with Vega 11 (~36 CU) dGPU + SoC's Vega based IGP (11 CU) hybrid setup. Laptop market is X86's other half the market.

The GTX 1070ti is a rumor as of now and Vega 11 not out until early next year. They are having a hard time with Vega.

https://www.techpowerup.com/237016/nvidia-readying-a-geforce-gtx-1070-refresh-gtx-1070-ti

Another information source with GTX 1070 Ti. Techpowerup's own contacts has semi-confirmed the incoming GTX 1070 Ti SKU.

GTX 1080 with 20 SM and GDDR5X-11000 (second revision GTX 1080).

GTX 1070 Ti with 18 SM and perhaps GDDR5-9000 256 bit or GDDR5X-10000.

GTX 1070 with 15 SM and GDDR5-8000 256 bit.

GTX 1060 with 10 SM and GDDR5-9000 192 bit (second revision GTX 1060).

it's still a rumor

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#265  Edited By Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@ronvalencia said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Two to three(2 years) more GPU generations... You will get a RX760/GTX3050Ti with similar performance to a RX 580(590ish) for $200 but by then the X1X will probably be sold for $399.

The X1X in terms of price/performance is probably the best console in a long time.

That being said PC will always be more powerful, its no win battle. You guys get consoles built for price/performance where the manufactures make deals and lots of cost cutting is done its to meet the desired performance... PC can never compete directly since components are sold individually.

If you want price/perfomance and dont care about framerate get a X1X... If you care about framerates get a PC with a high end GPU, its simple as.

Nope, not even a single generation.

Vega 11 has RBE updates like X1X's RBE updates. Think of RX-580 with Vega 64 era clock speed e.g. 1.6 Ghz (7.3 TFLOPS with 36 CU) and RBE with mulit-MB of cache (copies GP104's L2 cache layout). RX-580 already has comparable triangle rate as GTX 1070's 5G and it's just missing RBE updates and DX12 Feature 12_1(rasterization feature updates, Pascal feature level).

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-vega-11-production

"AMD’s Vega isn't finished yet, Vega 11 goes into production to replace Polaris".

AMD has two Vega generations and these are 14 nm FinFET and 14 nm FinFET+ updates before 7 nm FinFET Navi arrives.

Vega 11 is needed for Raven Ridge SoC's Vega based IGP partnering e.g. a gaming laptop with Vega 11 (~36 CU) dGPU + SoC's Vega based IGP (11 CU) hybrid setup. Laptop market is about half of X86 market..

The problem is the miners and hopefully AMD keeps RX-580s for the miners while gamers has Vega 11.

The point of the topic is when will we have a PC for $500 that matches a X1X.

Not when will a GPU like the X1X be released, while yes the Vega 11 chip does seem to match the X1X SOC its still not a GPU that will likely be possible to use in a $500 for reasons you mentioned miners.

You need a Sub $200 GPU which is not what V11 will be, it will take two to three generations to get Vega 56/ GTX 1070 GPU performance from a GPU sub $200. Like a GTX 1050 Ti did to a GTX 770 three generations half the price and same performance. To get X1X performance your looking at a $300 GPU... It will take 2-3 generations for a $150-200 GPU to out perform that and then you could build a PC for $500 that will be on par or better than a X1X.

Again, Vega 11 will not be a sub $200 GPU with X1X performance... It would make Vega 56 redundant. It will be a $300 GPU with a cut down verson a X70 for $250 and X60 varient for $200 or less.

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#266 tormentos
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@tormentos:

Who the **** is "they" and why are you bringing the PS4 into this?

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The difference here is that X1X is not only demonstrating a larger resolution gap in relation to the Pro, but it's also increasing the settings at the same time.

Digital Foundry did benchmarks on a batch of faceoff games and they found the relative gap between the PS4 and XO was lower than the theoretical gap. It won't be like this with PS4 Pro vs X1X because MS has addressed memory bandwidth limitations while Sony has not.

The compute gap(i.e. TFLOPS) will mimic theoretical percentage on games with compute path optimization like DOOM(2016), but in titles that favor Nvidia(i.e. most titles), the X1X will likely have some form of tile based rendering paired with a ton of cache and direct pixel to L2 cache connection, with 6-7GB VRAM at 326GB/s on a 384-bit bus. Pro is locked behind old GCN memory bandwidth limitations and memory controller bottleneck. The gap will be larger than the theoretical amount, as opposed to PS4 vs XO. This is more Nvidia vs AMD general performance relative to TFLOPS than it is XO to PS4.

You mean like several games also have higher quality effects on PS4 while also increasing resolution.?

Like MGS5 1080p with dynamic skies vs the xbox one 720p with no dynamic skies this is effectively 100%+ gap from just 40% more power is something normal.

All the advantages on xbox one X we have see similar scenarios for PS4 and you say shit.

Hell Ronvalencia like a true hypocrite downplayed the notion that the PS4 was 50% more powerful than the xbox one,and refute it with his usuals charts and crap,when games on PS4 were showing gaps bigger than 100% he never once took resolution as a measurement,now all of the sudden the xbox one X is more than 43% more powerful based on resolution and he defend it..hahahahaa

Is like you lemmings have no backbone..

The XBO X has nothing special it has gaps which are ok for what it has inside,just like the PS4 had gaps with 100% or more with just 40% more power.

Hahahahahaa The Pro has DCC and FP16 double pumped which men bandwidth savings are there,and since the Pro is not aiming for ultra much less 4k is not a problem,the more you push for 4k or higher settings the more bandwidth you consume the xbox one X bandwidth is 280Gb/s shared by MS own documents the 326Gb/s like the xbox one 204GB/s are just theoretical and not achievable what so ever,which is why i told many time to ronvalencia to stop comparing GPU with bandwidth just for them self to scorpio which has a shared bandwidth.

No this is more of over selling the modification done to the xbox one X,if AMD was that good they would be beating Nvidia without problem,the modifications done to the xbox one x doesn't make them a super beast specially not the one people like ronvalencia are pretending it to be.

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I'd rather play a game at 720p on Ultra settings than 4K on Low settings.

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#268  Edited By gamecubepad
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I'll cut out everything that's spin and irrelevant to the discussion...

@tormentos said:

No this is more of over selling the modification done to the xbox one X,if AMD was that good they would be beating Nvidia without problem,the modifications done to the xbox one x doesn't make them a super beast specially not the one people like ronvalencia are pretending it to be.

Pro is chained behind old AMD memory bottlenecks. X1X has Nvidia-style memory config. It's night and day, really.

TW3 is a Gameworks title. On TW3, the X1X should beat my OC'd RX 480 8GB and GTX 1060 6GB by 18% if what I'm saying is true. If what you're saying is true, RX 480 8GB at 6TF should match or beat the X1X.

I have the hardware, so we'll test it. Just like I already tested Forza Apex against X1X. What have you tested? Where is your proof?

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I'll cut out everything that's spin and irrelevant to the discussion...

Pro is chained behind old AMD memory bottlenecks. X1X has Nvidia-style memory config. It's night and day, really.

TW3 is a Gameworks title. On TW3, the X1X should beat my OC'd RX 480 8GB and GTX 1060 6GB by 18% if what I'm saying is true. If what you're saying is true, RX 480 8GB at 6TF should match or beat the X1X.

I have the hardware, so we'll test it. Just like I already tested Forza Apex against X1X. What have you tested? Where is your proof?

NO the Pro is fu** up because of lack of power what the fu** does it serve you to have more than 218GB/s when the power level you have is well below a RX480?

Bandwidth without power means nothing,the xbox one has more bandwidth than a 7790 and the 7770 both which beat the xbox one in most games.

The Pro doesn't need only more bandwidth it needs more power as well.

lol So a 6TF polaris Vega mix is as strong as a 1070GTX which is 9% away from a 10.5TF FULL Vega GPU with 410GB/s in bandwidth? Please...

Yeah and most gameworks games are treated different on consoles to how they are on PC so the XBO X beating a RX480 means nothing.

Forza Apex is a screw up game on PC and the fact that you INSIST in using a MS fu** up game as some kind of measurement for quality is lol worthy Drive Club look just as good and even had better looking weather to F7 the only thing different is how crips F7 is because of been 4k and double the frame..

I have posted several videos already F7 is only impressive to lemmings such as yourself.

Using Forza now is as pathetic as it was when lemmings try to push the whole 1080p 60FPS for F5 over anything on PS4 as some kind of achievement when the game looked like a 360 game in 1080p.

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#271  Edited By TwoSidedPolygon
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@drlostrib: The only game the Xbox One X had impressed me (You'll see why that's past tense) with is Forza Horizon 7 at 4K 60FPS. The devs claim that it'll take an i7 7700k and a GTX1080 to do the same, but I doubt this will be the case. Somebody on Discord told me the devs were claiming it would take an i7 6700 and a 980ti (Yes he could have very well been exaggerating what the devs said to make a point, but a 980ti and 6700 seems pretty specific to just be some big exaggeration) to run, but it turned out to be extremely easy to run, like, way easy. All it needs is a GT740, that shit costs $90. And think about it, this game isn't gonna be on PS4, so the devs want to do everything they can to make it seem like the Xbox One X is a powerful system, cause people are only gonna be able to play their game if they buy the X. I expect the Xbox One X won't be nearly everything fans have hyped it up to be, and a PC of a $500-$550 price tag will be able to perform similarly or even outperform it.

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Probably by next year

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@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Two to three(2 years) more GPU generations... You will get a RX760/GTX3050Ti with similar performance to a RX 580(590ish) for $200 but by then the X1X will probably be sold for $399.

The X1X in terms of price/performance is probably the best console in a long time.

That being said PC will always be more powerful, its no win battle. You guys get consoles built for price/performance where the manufactures make deals and lots of cost cutting is done its to meet the desired performance... PC can never compete directly since components are sold individually.

If you want price/perfomance and dont care about framerate get a X1X... If you care about framerates get a PC with a high end GPU, its simple as.

Nope, not even a single generation.

Vega 11 has RBE updates like X1X's RBE updates. Think of RX-580 with Vega 64 era clock speed e.g. 1.6 Ghz (7.3 TFLOPS with 36 CU) and RBE with mulit-MB of cache (copies GP104's L2 cache layout). RX-580 already has comparable triangle rate as GTX 1070's 5G and it's just missing RBE updates and DX12 Feature 12_1(rasterization feature updates, Pascal feature level).

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-vega-11-production

"AMD’s Vega isn't finished yet, Vega 11 goes into production to replace Polaris".

AMD has two Vega generations and these are 14 nm FinFET and 14 nm FinFET+ updates before 7 nm FinFET Navi arrives.

Vega 11 is needed for Raven Ridge SoC's Vega based IGP partnering e.g. a gaming laptop with Vega 11 (~36 CU) dGPU + SoC's Vega based IGP (11 CU) hybrid setup. Laptop market is about half of X86 market..

The problem is the miners and hopefully AMD keeps RX-580s for the miners while gamers has Vega 11.

The point of the topic is when will we have a PC for $500 that matches a X1X.

Not when will a GPU like the X1X be released, while yes the Vega 11 chip does seem to match the X1X SOC its still not a GPU that will likely be possible to use in a $500 for reasons you mentioned miners.

You need a Sub $200 GPU which is not what V11 will be, it will take two to three generations to get Vega 56/ GTX 1070 GPU performance from a GPU sub $200. Like a GTX 1050 Ti did to a GTX 770 three generations half the price and same performance. To get X1X performance your looking at a $300 GPU... It will take 2-3 generations for a $150-200 GPU to out perform that and then you could build a PC for $500 that will be on par or better than a X1X.

Again, Vega 11 will not be a sub $200 GPU with X1X performance... It would make Vega 56 redundant. It will be a $300 GPU with a cut down verson a X70 for $250 and X60 varient for $200 or less.

back then before the mining crazy you could build a beat x1x pc for $450, for now $548 will destroy x1x because of far supeior CPU performance https://pcpartpicker.com/user/leandrro/saved/#view=rhq3FT

but we are putting aside software costs, wich are absurd on consoles making them as a stupid buy as an apple products

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#274  Edited By ronvalencia
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@tormentos said:
@gamecubepad said:

I'll cut out everything that's spin and irrelevant to the discussion...

Pro is chained behind old AMD memory bottlenecks. X1X has Nvidia-style memory config. It's night and day, really.

TW3 is a Gameworks title. On TW3, the X1X should beat my OC'd RX 480 8GB and GTX 1060 6GB by 18% if what I'm saying is true. If what you're saying is true, RX 480 8GB at 6TF should match or beat the X1X.

I have the hardware, so we'll test it. Just like I already tested Forza Apex against X1X. What have you tested? Where is your proof?

NO the Pro is fu** up because of lack of power what the fu** does it serve you to have more than 218GB/s when the power level you have is well below a RX480?

Bandwidth without power means nothing,the xbox one has more bandwidth than a 7790 and the 7770 both which beat the xbox one in most games.

The Pro doesn't need only more bandwidth it needs more power as well.

lol So a 6TF polaris Vega mix is as strong as a 1070GTX which is 9% away from a 10.5TF FULL Vega GPU with 410GB/s in bandwidth? Please...

Yeah and most gameworks games are treated different on consoles to how they are on PC so the XBO X beating a RX480 means nothing.

Forza Apex is a screw up game on PC and the fact that you INSIST in using a MS fu** up game as some kind of measurement for quality is lol worthy Drive Club look just as good and even had better looking weather to F7 the only thing different is how crips F7 is because of been 4k and double the frame..

I have posted several videos already F7 is only impressive to lemmings such as yourself.

Using Forza now is as pathetic as it was when lemmings try to push the whole 1080p 60FPS for F5 over anything on PS4 as some kind of achievement when the game looked like a 360 game in 1080p.

RX-480's core and memory clock speed can be reduced to match PS4 Pro's basic parameters.

Vega 56 is effectively has non-CU hardware from X1X GPU which is similar to R9-390X and R9-Fury Pro/X relationship. TFLOPS means little when the graphics pipeline bottlenecks CUs.

Another problem is HBM's efficiency (512 GB/s to 333 GB/s, 65 percent efficiency) which is worst than R9-290X's GDDR5 efficiency (320 GB/s to 264 GB/s, 82 percent efficiency).

X1X's 326 GB/s to 285 GB/s yields 87 percent efficiency. AMD's HBM adventure is a clusterfk when compared to AMD's GDDR5 efficiency.

HBM v2 could have better efficiency, but Vega 56 is only slightly better than Fury X. Vega 56 feels like an overclocked Fury X.

Vega 56/64 wasted their silicon budget on ~45 MB HBC (high bandwidth cache).

You're NOT addressing AMD HBM's efficiency problem.

NVIDIA Paxwell GPUs can scale with SM unit count increase.

GP104 has 4 Raster Engines and it's operating at higher clock speed. Tessellation power scales with polymorph engines count.

GP102 has 6 Raster Engines and it's operating at higher clock speed.

Both X1X GPU and Vega 56/64 has 4 Raster Engines.

Both X1X GPU and Vega 56/64 has 4 MB just-below L1 cache.

Besides the TFLOPS difference, GTX 1080 Ti's gap with GTX 1080 reflects the gap with memory bandwidth and raster engine difference.

You're NOT addressing AMD's Raster Engine bottleneck problem.

http://wccftech.com/amd-head-graphics-raja-koduri-takes-temporary-leave-ceo-lisa-su-charge-rtg-2018/

Reading Between The Lines – Raja Could Take On Different Operational Responsibilities Going Into 2018

With that being said, we have to read between the lines to gain more insight into the situation. Raja dropped a subtle hint in his letter indicating that he’s going to be shifting his responsibilities inside RTG going into 2018.

"As we enter 2018, I will be shifting my focus more toward architecting and realizing this vision and rebalancing my operational responsibilities." - Raja

This perhaps could signal a change in management with Raja focusing more on the development side of the business while sharing the burden of the day to day operations with someone else

Raja to be move from his "Senior Vice President and Chief Architect, Radeon Technologies Group" position.

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#275  Edited By kemar7856
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pc gaming is dead

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@twosidedpolygon said:

@drlostrib: The only game the Xbox One X had impressed me (You'll see why that's past tense) with is Forza Horizon 7 at 4K 60FPS. The devs claim that it'll take an i7 7700k and a GTX1080 to do the same, but I doubt this will be the case. Somebody on Discord told me the devs were claiming it would take an i7 6700 and a 980ti (Yes he could have very well been exaggerating what the devs said to make a point, but a 980ti and 6700 seems pretty specific to just be some big exaggeration) to run, but it turned out to be extremely easy to run, like, way easy. All it needs is a GT740, that shit costs $90. And think about it, this game isn't gonna be on PS4, so the devs want to do everything they can to make it seem like the Xbox One X is a powerful system, cause people are only gonna be able to play their game if they buy the X. I expect the Xbox One X won't be nearly everything fans have hyped it up to be, and a PC of a $500-$550 price tag will be able to perform similarly or even outperform it.

You're not addressing X1X's RBEs has 2MB render cache just like GTX 1070/GTX1080's RBEs has 2MB L2 cache access. RBEs has alpha effects processing for ForzaTech's wet tracks.

Show me RX-580's RBE updates from older AMD GPUs.

RBE = Render Back Ends.

https://www.gamespot.com/profile/ronvalencia/blog/xbox-one-xs-rbe-pixel-engine-path-render-cache-siz/26090170/

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Next year.

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@ronvalencia: will you stop just spamming the same shit over and over again

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@leandrro: The GTX 1060 is not superior to the X1X.

The X1X has a GPU that doesn't exist on shelves its essentially a RX 580 Ti or a RX 590 if one where to exist, a RX 580 goes blow to blow with a GTX 1060 but the X1X chip would hit closer to a GTX 1070 than a GTX 1060.

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#280 Aki2017
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My computer that I built 8 years ago, still maxes out games and is still more powerful than the Xbox One X. If we are going to talk value for money, I buy games on STEAM sales for next to nothing. You don't get that with consoles

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@kemar7856 said:

pc gaming is dead

Lol....

:P

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@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

@leandrro: The GTX 1060 is not superior to the X1X.

The X1X has a GPU that doesn't exist on shelves its essentially a RX 580 Ti or a RX 590 if one where to exist, a RX 580 goes blow to blow with a GTX 1060 but the X1X chip would hit closer to a GTX 1070 than a GTX 1060.

Performance wise they are roughly the same, of course with the GTX we wont see the bottlenecking which im sure will exist with any console.

That said, over the decades of gaming ive learned to have a "ill believe it when i see it" attitude with consoles. Console manufacturers and especially fans, tend to go with hyperbole and exaggeration over having a more grounded outlook. As a result we've seen people tout systems being able to launch nukes... which i never understood. Or they tout the number of cores without understanding what that meant for developers.... or the whole Switch thing where it was what? 10,000 times more powerful than a Wii or whatever it was.

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@aki2017 said:

My computer that I built 8 years ago, still maxes out games and is still more powerful than the Xbox One X. If we are going to talk value for money, I buy games on STEAM sales for next to nothing. You don't get that with consoles

Exactly this.

BTW, X1X is relatively close to 1060 performance wise, but it's also bottlenecked by awful CPU.

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@Orchid87 said:
@aki2017 said:

My computer that I built 8 years ago, still maxes out games and is still more powerful than the Xbox One X. If we are going to talk value for money, I buy games on STEAM sales for next to nothing. You don't get that with consoles

Exactly this.

BTW, X1X is relatively close to 1060 performance wise, but it's also bottlenecked by awful CPU.

Indeed. Like it's a good powerful console, but trying to compare it to PC is an argument, lost before it starts, lol

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@Orchid87 said:
@aki2017 said:

My computer that I built 8 years ago, still maxes out games and is still more powerful than the Xbox One X. If we are going to talk value for money, I buy games on STEAM sales for next to nothing. You don't get that with consoles

Exactly this.

BTW, X1X is relatively close to 1060 performance wise, but it's also bottlenecked by awful CPU.

How?

1060 only has shared 1.5 MB L2 cache for it's TMUs and ROPS while X1X GPU has 2MB render cache for it's ROPS and 2MB L2 cache for it's TMUs which is the same size as Vega 56's shared 4MB L2 cache for it's TMUs and ROPS.

RX-580 only has 2 MB L2 cache for it's TMUs with low KBs of cache for it's ROPS.

R9-390X only has 1 MB L2 cache for it's TMUs with low KBs of cache for it's ROPS.

Rasterization Rate

X1X GPU has ~4.7 G triangles which is close to GTX 1070's 5.0 G triangle rate.

Fury X has 4.2 G triangles

GTX 1060 has 3.4 G triangles.

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@xhawk27: When has NVIDIA released a 70 Ti? Can’t remember. Very much doubt we ever see a 1070 Ti.

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@Juub1990 said:

@xhawk27: When has NVIDIA released a 70 Ti? Can’t remember. Very much doubt we ever see a 1070 Ti.

NV has 675M on top of 670M

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@ronvalencia said:
@Juub1990 said:

@xhawk27: When has NVIDIA released a 70 Ti? Can’t remember. Very much doubt we ever see a 1070 Ti.

NV has 675M on top of 670M

wut?

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@ronvalencia said:

Rasterization Rate

X1X GPU has ~4.7 G triangles which is close to GTX 1070's 5.0 G triangle rate.

Fury X has 4.2 G triangles

GTX 1060 has 3.4 G triangles.




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@ronvalencia: The X may have a big render cash but I ain't gonna argue with the numbers and they're right there. 4K 60FPS on ultra settings with a PentiumG4560 and a GTX 1060, here's a link to a video showing it off... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw03aXdf3dI&feature=youtu.be&t=10m9s Ethereum mining will be dead and PC will have "caught up" by march next year I'm guessing, at the latest.

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@goldenelementxl said:
@ronvalencia said:

Rasterization Rate

X1X GPU has ~4.7 G triangles which is close to GTX 1070's 5.0 G triangle rate.

Fury X has 4.2 G triangles

GTX 1060 has 3.4 G triangles.

My information was from techreport.com for PC GPUs and hot chips conference for X1X.

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#292  Edited By ronvalencia
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@twosidedpolygon said:

@ronvalencia: The X may have a big render cash but I ain't gonna argue with the numbers and they're right there. 4K 60FPS on ultra settings with a PentiumG4560 and a GTX 1060, here's a link to a video showing it off... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw03aXdf3dI&feature=youtu.be&t=10m9s Ethereum mining will be dead and PC will have "caught up" by march next year I'm guessing, at the latest.

With 96 percent GPU usage with a few cars in the scene, it dipped to 46 fps. The overclocked GTX 1060 (5.345 TFLOPS at 2088 Mhz) needs more power to cover 46 fps dip.

My old MSI Gaming X GTX 980 Ti at 1226 Mhz Silent Mode (~6.9 TFLOPS) has a solid 60 fps with the same track scene.

To maintain a solid 60 fps, the machine needs additional GPU power headroom.

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@ronvalencia said:
@twosidedpolygon said:

@ronvalencia: The X may have a big render cash but I ain't gonna argue with the numbers and they're right there. 4K 60FPS on ultra settings with a PentiumG4560 and a GTX 1060, here's a link to a video showing it off... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw03aXdf3dI&feature=youtu.be&t=10m9s Ethereum mining will be dead and PC will have "caught up" by march next year I'm guessing, at the latest.

With 96 percent GPU usage with a few cars in the scene, it dipped to 46 fps. The overclocked GTX 1060 (5.345 TFLOPS at 2088 Mhz) needs more power to cover 46 fps dip.

My old MSI Gaming X GTX 980 Ti at 1226 Mhz Silent Mode (~6.9 TFLOPS) has a solid 60 fps with the same track scene.

To maintain a solid 60 fps, the machine needs additional GPU power headroom.

Looking at one FPS dip really doesn't have me convinced. You seriously don't think they X will have *any* FPS dips? If so, my prayers are with you. The people that claimed the Xbox One X wouldn't have any FPS dips are the same guys that claimed you'd need a 1080 to match it (I think)

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#294  Edited By ronvalencia
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@twosidedpolygon said:
@ronvalencia said:
@twosidedpolygon said:

@ronvalencia: The X may have a big render cash but I ain't gonna argue with the numbers and they're right there. 4K 60FPS on ultra settings with a PentiumG4560 and a GTX 1060, here's a link to a video showing it off... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw03aXdf3dI&feature=youtu.be&t=10m9s Ethereum mining will be dead and PC will have "caught up" by march next year I'm guessing, at the latest.

With 96 percent GPU usage with a few cars in the scene, it dipped to 46 fps. The overclocked GTX 1060 (5.345 TFLOPS at 2088 Mhz) needs more power to cover 46 fps dip.

My old MSI Gaming X GTX 980 Ti at 1226 Mhz Silent Mode (~6.9 TFLOPS) has a solid 60 fps with the same track scene.

To maintain a solid 60 fps, the machine needs additional GPU power headroom.

Looking at one FPS dip really doesn't have me convinced. You seriously don't think they X will have *any* FPS dips? If so, my prayers are with you. The people that claimed the Xbox One X wouldn't have any FPS dips are the same guys that claimed you'd need a 1080 to match it (I think)

DF has stated solid 60 fps for X1X's FM7 demo.