How do you feel Nintendo has treated their Wii U supporters?

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It's whatever. It's gotten enough good content to where i'm satisfied with the console, 2014 was legit great and the console has gotten good sprinkles of games here and there. It's a unique console at least.

On the positive side, i'm kind of glad they've moved projects to their next console, because A. Games could be negatively affected by hamfisting gamepad mechanics into them, and B. even though Wii U games have pretty good graphics, for some types of games it's just too weak or i'd rather have games look as good as possible. A 60fps metroid prime for example might look underwhelming.

What's irking me about Nintendo right now is them taking forever to give even the slightest bit of NX info.

Whether a 3DS owner and/or a Wii U owner, you are just another number to Nintendo. Realistically speaking, that's how big business tends to view its customers.

The Wii U has been on life support for quite some time. The selection at retail is laughable. Consumers can hold a grudge and I assume many will but others will lick their wounds and move on.

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I feel Nintendo has supported the Wii U very well considering the circumstances. When Nintendo predicted only 800K Wii Us would sell this year, that was all we needed to know.

Cheers to Zelda in 2017!

Well said.

I'm not going to say they treated Wii U owners great, but they treated them as well as could be expected. Got some great games here in the west that they knew had a lousy chance of making their money back, like Xenoblade and Tokyo Mirage Sessions. Got a few games that had no chance of making their money back, like Fatal Frame and Devil's Third. Bayonetta 2 might have turned a profit if you believe the sales numbers (I personally don't) but that was a also a risk taken to generate some goodwill.

@judaspete: Well said.

The console has plenty of great games. It's not my fault nobody else bought it. And why would I expect Nintendo to dump a ton of money into supporting a console that wasn't selling? Why would I blame 3rd parties? This is how the real world works. Nintendo didn't make a product that appealed to the masses and the masses responded accordingly.

They put out a crappy box, but they also did a whole lot to support it. Between the stuff they developed and the stuff they published, I got plenty of worthwhile games out of it. It's actually my most played console this gen by a significant margin, so I can't complain.

I think Nintendo did everything they could considering all of the circumstances. They made the wrong move losing their crap over the 3DS starting slowly instead of focusing on the WiiU launch, but hind-sight is 20/20.

Seems many just wont except that. Wii U just wasnt appealing, its time to move on.

The console fucking blows. You take the two Platinum games out of the equation and Nintendo has exactly zero actual great games and 1 creative game in that platforms entire lineup. Nintendo is creatively dull as ****, and it's a bit irritating. Are some of the games good? Yeah sure, Donkey Kong (creatively bankrupt as ****) and 3d World (the worst of the 3d marios mechanically) were fun, ditto Splatoon (the one lone creative title from Nintendo, but it launched early access style and is still missing basic online features). But the platform doesn't exactly get a healthy string of games to warrant not having more exceptional games, and given how the games are more of the same old shit makes it more egregious.

Their pad is routinely shown as more of a detriment to the overall play of a game than a bonus, their network stuff is way behind the fucking times, it took them until like what middle of this gen to recognize that my digital purchases should be tied to a fucking account? it's a platform that is hamstrung horse power wise, and it doesn't even fill up a decent library with independent stuff.

At least the Wii being the way it was, I could accept: the console was fucking successful. The WiiU? Is a joke. The 3ds wasn't exactly that much better, but again, at least it was successful or something.

Yeah it's my most used console between the 3 consoles I own, but that has more to do with how bitchin PC gaming is, then any perceived greatness out of the WiiU. All things considered, I only really give a shit about 3 games on that platform. The other stuff could have easily not been made, and I wouldn't have given a single ****.

@jg4xchamp: Nobody cares about them none appealing games. Them games are just another reason Wii U blows, nobody wanted them either. Nintendo trying to cater to hardcore gamers is a big reason Wii U blows. Its time to give them games back to PS4 and Xbox and watch them sell like garbage on there too.

You can have your Ninja Gaiden homeboy too, hes not appealing either.

Yeah that's fine and all, but the commercial side of things is whatever to me. I can at least somewhat understand a shitty library (The Wii) when said demographic happens to be there to validate the publishers decision, but said demographic (the core gaming audience) wasn't exactly helping Nintendo much either. There same old, tried and true bullshit got them a big fat L.

As for the games, given how little the system gets, I'd like the games to be a bit better than creatively dull and assembly line good. The Platinum games for whatever their commercial failings have a lot more going on to their gameplay than what Nintendo was doing, Splatoon was the lone creative thing Nintendo offered while gassing up their pad is this new game to play. So over a span 4 years, 3 worthwhile games isn't exactly worth writing home about. The other platforms can get away with their mediocre lineup of exceptional games, because they have a healthier string of game releases to offset the lack of exceptional stuff. The WiiU? it's drought city.

Yoshis Woolly World is a pretty good platformer and very underrated.

Xenoblade Chronicles X is a very good game.

Super Mario Maker won GOTY at Giant Bomb. Lets not act like that game wasn't revolutionary...

Mario Kart 8 is the best in the franchise.

Smash Bros for Wii U was another great entry in the franchise.

And sure, there have been many entries of the franchises. But in reality we get Assassins Creed, Gears of War, Halo, Uncharted, Souls games, Metal Gear, Batman and Far Cry games MORE often. We've had 5 Uncharted games in 9 years and people call that fresh and creative? 4 Souls games in 7 (not counting Bloodborne)? We've had 8 Mario Kart games in like 22 years...

So this "same old shit" excuse can go...

@jg4xchamp: Sorry, cant agree on that. Bayonetta 2 was bout same as the first. And The Wonderful 101 was just Veiwtful Joe 101. I rather have Xenoblade Chronicles X, Mario Maker, and Splatoon any day than those none appealing games. At least Nintendo can make appealing game.

The system has some great games....but it's still too expensive. It should be $199 now. It would probably sell more. (I'd buy one)

@Star67: Best to wait till NX is announced or released, that way fans dont feel cheated after buying it for $199. Also, Nintendo sells it used for $199 if want that.

I'll go with a Meh to me, Wii U was a hit or a miss when Nintendo release a Wii U exclusive games for it. Bayonetta 2 was a sweet ride for me, SSB Wii U, Splatoon was something newer I enjoy with playing side by side with my Daughter, and like ConanTheStoner said, Nintendo supported the hell out of Wii U and unlike Sony who couldn't even supported Vita through the end and if there's one thing I can say about Nintendo's Wii U, they made it count for something this gen, they tried something NEW!

Edit: I still say the 3DS is were it's at for me!

Your mistake is generalizing my fucking opinion with the general masses. I don't fucking buy Assassin's Creed and Far Cry is boring as hell. Uncharted is the opposite of creative and fresh to me, and I'm pretty burnt out on Souls games and the old, stale, and slow manner at which Halo's campaigns play. Gears of War? I'm playing literally for the mp with a buddy, the campaign might as well be sold separately as far as I'm concerned. So that's mother fucking 1, you people like creating little rules for when it's acceptable to doing more of the same shit. I don't think the madden rule is the only way to be creatively lame, just because you take awhile between releases, doesn't mean it's cool that you basically try to sell me the same game. In fact it makes it worse, you actually had time to change your game. In fact in the case of Metal Gear, dramatic changes in gameplay and design from entry to entry.

Mario Kart's allegeded excellence, it's the best in a series that actively punishes the player for actually using the mechanics well, the coin addition is one of the dumbest power ups they came up with, especially given its frequency while in first place.

Smash 4 is good, I would argue it isn't great though.

Super Mario Maker is a level maker, that's not revolutionary at all, Little Big Planet said hello, ditto Gary's mod. It's good, and great that Giantbomb gave it their GOTY, but given your opinions on The Witcher 3, I don't think that games many GOTY awards made you think that game was a great game now did it? So I'm not inclined to just think Mario Maker is special because of Jeff Gerstmann, it's cool and all, and I might at least give the nod there, but revolutionary? Get the **** out.

Beyond didn't play Xenoblade X yet because I still have to play the first one, and Yoshi I played for about an hour and couldn't bring myself to care.

Okay so you never played Viewtiful Joe, and sure Bayonetta 2 is very similar to Bayonetta, hell creatively the end stretch is lame because of how similar it is to the first game. But that game's mechanically deep as hell and is a full featured experience with a healthy group of unlockables that make going back to the games exceptional mechanics a non-issue. But sure, one of the 3 games I like on that platform falls under "hooray, another fucking X'; the other 2, you'd be ignorant of this me...oh right you are ignorant of this medium.

It's almost dead now, but Nintendo has supported Wii U better than Microsoft has supported their Xbox One, in terms of first party software. As a result, I own way more Wii U games than I do Xbox One games.

@jg4xchamp: Sure theyre way different. But every time i play that game im reminded of Veiwtiful Joe and how unappealing that game was. They both have that ugly big headed look.

Which is an atrocious counterpoint to whether or not that game is creative or not, because it absolutely it fucking is. You disliking the game is whatever, more power to you in that department.

@jg4xchamp: I enjoyed the game, but it wasnt appealing and i wouldnt have bought it if i didnt get it for super cheap. I enjoyed Viewtiful Joe too, but was a great cheap game i found that didnt look any good.

Have you lost your mind? Viewtiful Joe back on Gamecube was the coolest game around on GC, Viewtiful Joe has it's own Anime at the time and the games were so much fun for a 2D scroll game. If anything, those games were hard to beat but still fun.

It's good to know you judge your games on whether or not they are appealing to other people.

@jg4xchamp: Now you know how Wii U feels, sucks dont it.

Other people not purchasing the WiiU has no bearing on my happiness. My displeasures with that platform are entirely my own.

So no, I don't know how the WiiU feels.

1 - Why games do you buy then? What games are on the Xbox One and PS4 that are "fresh" and "creative"? Because I feel like Nintendo offers the best variety outside of games with guns.

2 - Your Mario Kart gripe is a common one. I've discussed with folks like @Heil68 in the past. If the game punished the "good" players, why do the "good" players always win?

3 - Super Mario Maker is the most intuitive level creator I've ever used. Not to mention the platforming and controls are damn near perfect. Did you say Little Big Planet? Are you serious?

4 - The excellence of the Wii U library is clear when you look at sales. Mario Kart 8 has a 50+% attach rate. Splatoon is the best selling new IP. How can a system that is outselling the Wii U almost 4/1 not have a new IP selling better? And everytime the Xbox or Playstation tries to get "creative" the games go over like a fart in church. Knack anyone? Kinect? So they go back to the "Halo Forza Gears" formula we have today.

So I'm not really sure what "exceptional" games you are referring to. The only games the Wii U is missing are the ones you bashed above. Did the Wii U need The Witcher 3 and MGS V to be a good console?

The Wii U needed more 3rd party games support. That's it!

That wasn't going to happen without selling more consoles and 3rd party software. Chicken or the egg... The Wii had TONS of 3rd party support at first because of the console sales numbers. Once 3rd party devs saw their games weren't benefiting from those sales, they no longer bothered with the console. It had nothing to do with power. This gen the Wii U stumbled out of the gate. But remember, there was Batman, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect and Madden at launch. But the lack of console sales put an end to that. That is why the PS3 and 360 still get Madden and COD while the Wii U gets none of it.

The Wii U would have had more 3rd party support if it sold better.

1. What games on the Xbox One and PS4 have you ever seen me call fresh or creative? I out right said the platforms don't get excellent games, but at least those platforms get a more healthy release schedule of other games. Nintendo it's been 5 or 6 games at most in a given year, hell this year it's gonna be like 2 games worth a **** this year. So what the platform does get I'd at least like some more daring attempts or legit excellent experiences. Otherwise clearly I'm not against buying a sequel I bought Donkey Kong and Mario didn't I, obviously if the game is good, I'll take get over some creatively dull aspects of the experience. The thing is very little of it has actually been all that great, a lot of it is good, but great? nah.

2. Because no matter how many mechanics you make to randomize things, you can still have a game where there is going to be a person better than someone. Doesn't change the fact that there are mechanics in place to punish a player for doing well, and rubber band the experience. Against any other entries in this genre, in multiplayer, that shit doesn't fly. So said knock, still perfectly valid in spite of sally strawman.

3. Intuitive sure, mechanically excellent because Mario? No doubt. Revolutionary? **** and no, so yes the part where Little Big Planet is a level maker, and existing before Mario Maker, more or less invalidates Mario Maker as a revolutionary game, because that's how words work. Little Big Planet's shittyness as a game, doesn't invalidate that it was doing all this shit before Mario Maker, albeit not as accessible.

4. Sales are not an objective measure of quality. So that's a logic fallacy. A handful of games doing well, also wouldn't invalidate other games that didn't exactly do hot. Also the other games doing poorly on the platform has more to do with them not being good video games, as opposed to them being new. It goes without saying I'd want the game to be quality to. Notice how I give credit to Splatoon, but not Codename Steam or something on the 3ds, because while new, it's a bit poorly designed.

Personally, no I'd much rather play The Witcher 3 and MGSV on the PC, but sure it would absolutely improve the consoles library to have more games and more options for its player base. That shit can't even be argued otherwise.

The hard lesson has been taught and successfully passed by Sony and MS. The lesson being first party games are not the end all be all of a console. Nintendo failed the lesson.

They did okay for having to support it alone. :P

@jg4xchamp: So what Wii games would you say were simply good/fun? I'd say the Wii's library is quite good on its own, it's got more variety than the last gen twins. The biggest problem being the usual Nintendo droughts in between releases.

I admit i've got games for it that would seem like padding, but there's probably at least 30 legit good games for it.

And factoring in GC bc it's got the best library of any console. I think GC is better than PS2 on its own, and Ps1 bc is meh since most of those games don't hold up.

I have 30+ games for the Wii U (not counting VC, which would only make that number larger). many of those games varied from being decent to good to great, with a VERY small amount being disappointing or mediocre. I even appreciated the Wii U gamepad; I felt it worked great as a controller and enjoyed using it as a handheld. The Wii U was a great system as far as I am concerned.

I guess I also feel that NIntendo did the best they could to support the machine considering they had third party issues and the Wii U didn;t exactly do well on the sales side of things either. They certainly didn't ditch the thing and leave it to die like Sony did with the Vita (or they didn't anywhere near as quickly atleast, and it felt like Nintendo gave an actual attempt with the thing).

Overall I was/am very satisfied with the Wii U.

They did fine. I liked it. Its a good console that no one wants to give credit to. What it does with what it has is awesome. Hopefully NX has more straight up power so they don't have to do as many clever tricks to make a game run on it.

Garbage tier. There's just nothing for it, and even Nintendo couldn't figure out a way to use the tablet in a unique way. Every other Nintendo system I've enjoyed, but the Wii U... it might as well not exist.

Compared to the PlayStation Vita, much better. At least Nintendo did not discontinue the Wii U years ago and there are many worthwhile games to play with.

What could they do, they did the best they could considering the low sales and lack of third party.

I think they've treated the Wii U supporters better than MS treated the early supporters of the Xbox One.

What do you mean? Captain Toad, Star Fox Zero, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Hyrule Warriors, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Pikmin 3, Zelda HD's, etc. What did you expect, Nintendo to shoehorn the Gamepad into every game?

I didn't buy a Wii U for junk like that.

@Renegade_Fury: O, ok, you bought it for them awesome Sega games, i forgot.

Besides the Galaxy stuff? Prime 3, Sin and Punishment 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Zack and Wiki, Little King's Story, De Blob, Tats v Capcom, Boom Blox, and Punchout. Otherwise mixed feelings in Other M (decent gameplay ideas, fun bosses, stupid controls, bad level design, no atmosphere, and **** that story), do not like No More Heroes (it's a shit beat em up that gets credit for a Suda story, get real) what so ever, Silent Hill Shattered Memories is half baked and overly silly even for Silent Hill, and stuff like Brawl, Muramasa, and Super Paper Mario were rubbish.

Otherwise didn't get around to the 3 jrpgs for the Wii, and I only played about half of Red Steel 2, which admittedly I was kind of digging. Klonoa was a cool game, but I played that before the Wii version, I did buy Rodea last year, still haven't tried that yet. Otherwise no, I wouldn't agree to the notion that the HD twins had less variety, unless we are just limiting them to their exclusives.

Because the multiplat side of things was ace, especially the independent stuff.

@iandizion713: Hm? Why would I buy it for SEGA games? I got the Wii U hoping to see a new Zelda, Metroid, F-Zero, a Galaxy tier Mario game, and unique exclusives, similarly to how there were those on the Wii. None of them are present, however.

Well, they created the console. It's not like they are a victim of circumstances. They basically made a 2006 console, added a cheap-ish Tablet, and hoped it would sell at a premium price like a next gen console. People didn't bite.

I wouldn't say they did "everything they could" either. They never really did any major overhaul. No price slash like the 3DS. No "hardware revision" in mid-life cycle. They continued to release a modest amount of games, but they hardly went "all out" in that department either given all the game droughts. Basically all Wii-U owners got was 3 or 4 good games a year, sometimes having to wait months and months just for anything decent. There were really only a handful of interesting games outside the obvious Mario entries. The console still never got a proper/original Zelda. No Metroid. About all it had was Bayonetta, Xenoblade,Splatoon...Pikmin 3. I don't know - seems like a stretch to say they did "everything they could".

@Renegade_Fury: Sure arent, but what is present is awesome and fun.

Incredibly "blah". Very, very, blah

Nintendo is just dumb. The Wii was garbage and the WiiU was another garbage system. Gimmicky and shitty controls with the fanboys frothing at the mouth about innovative gameplay when we are simply playing the same shit with more involved and less intuitive input devices. I expect the NX to be another trash system brought to us by the company that knows how to make a console shitty.