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#101 jg4xchamp
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@Jag85 said:

and where many of the most knowledgable gamers

That is false. It's as scrubby as this forum in a lot of cases, but with the benefit that at least their the racism is checked to just centerist types.

Game specific discords better, or while I don't care for everything about the forum, but places like RPGcodex where more complex conversations on games are worth having. Era's only real advantage over SW, is that if you put multiple paragraphs together there, people will actually read that shit and properly respond, where as the idiots on here go "hur durr wall of text".

Also Pablo is a piece of shit.

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#102 Jag85
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@jg4xchamp: I mean stuff like industry insider info, latest news, sales data, gaming history, etc. In terms of discussions on gameplay mechanics, I wouldn't say it's much better than here.

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#103 jg4xchamp
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@Jag85 said:

@jg4xchamp: I mean stuff like industry insider info, latest news, sales data, gaming history, etc. In terms of discussions on gameplay mechanics, I wouldn't say it's much better than here.

Nah I would go with better than here on that front. You get all the same meme takes you get here like "more complete game" or whatever the ****, but the general discourse to actually discuss mechanics is better. Admittedly it's also a by product of on era you actually have to behave in conversations n stick to the arguing points, where as here you can say whatever you want. Aint like the bum mods gonna do shit.

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#104 GoldenElementXL
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No, it's very far left. I've seen threads where they openly talk about killing police officers and support terrorist groups like antifa. They'd love nothing more to get rid of capitalism and move to chaos.

What's this mccarthy-ass obsession with 'far left' boogeymen? If them standing up for social issues upsets you, just come out and say it.

Also need receipts for that "literally kill police officers" post, plus "terrorist group antifa"... antifa isn't even a group, much less a terrorist one. If people being against fascism upsets you, again, just come out and say it.

My guy at this point you're spouting crap straight from trump's mouth, just drop the mask already.

That's a bit little extreme. I've seen plenty of, "all Cops are racist" posts on Era, though. Black Cops are self-hating racists looking for acceptance from the white man... Then there was that thread where some LGBTQ+ mods were exposed for being acephobic. Era became a woke competition that was so intense there was nearly a hole ripped in the space-time continuum that could have destroyed the entire Universe.
Any thread that follows race, sexual orientation, rape allegations, politics or being a victim of any kind turns into a graveyard with dozens being banned and Era being pigeon-holed even further into the extreme left.

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#105 GoldenElementXL
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@jg4xchamp said:

That is false. It's as scrubby as this forum in a lot of cases, but with the benefit that at least their the racism is checked to just centerist types.

Game specific discords better, or while I don't care for everything about the forum, but places like RPGcodex where more complex conversations on games are worth having. Era's only real advantage over SW, is that if you put multiple paragraphs together there, people will actually read that shit and properly respond, where as the idiots on here go "hur durr wall of text".

Also Pablo is a piece of shit.

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#106 onesiphorus
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Is this thread derailed already and discussion has nothing to do with System Wars?

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#107 Star67
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@SOedipus: Maybe, I honestly can't remember forum users from 10 years ago all that well lol. It all starts to blend together.

I remember the names, but not much else.

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#108 LuxuryHeart
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@parkerrand: Personally, not very compared to other forums. Before this boring phase it was basically just a giant console war. Yet after Quad and other people got banned, it's just boring now. No information is actually put here, and the console wars have slowed down so it's not even entertaining anymore.

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#109 NfamousLegend
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These forums are somewhat active, however they were at their peak during the PS3/360 days. Oh and you already have joined.

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#110 LuxuryHeart
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@ConanTheStoner said:
@ghosts4ever said:

actual discussion? yeah "you must like what we like otherwise you banned, you praise games that is not SJW? banned" thats lame discussion.

Well I don't post there at all. Never even signed up, not gonna pretend I know what it's like on the day to day.

I do browse their threads on occasion tho. And though your examples suck, I get where you're coming from. They do have some wack hive mind shit going on. Buuuuut I've also seen plenty of threads that have none of that shit, and have far better discussions than what is typical here on SW.

Personally I don't mind rolling around in waste, so SW is fine.

Resetera is a giant console war, but it's not entertaining. At least on here it's so obvious that it's just laughable. Yet on Resetera is subtle and laced in hypocrisy.

@Jag85 said:
@parkerrand said:

@ConanTheStoner: What would be a good one to join?

GameFAQs and Reddit are pretty good.

ResetEra is pretty good too, but it's a bit strict. You have to be careful what you say, if you don't want to get modded.

I could never join Resetera and wouldn't wish that on the TC. Though if you could deal with the cult of Steam/Capcom, and the subtle Steam vs trolls or Sony vs Nintendo war, then go for it. GameFAQs is okay if you can get around the Trumpers and anti-SJW crap. Anti-SJWs are just as annoying as SJWs with their spam and tendency to get triggered by everything. Personally for me, Reddit is the best.

@Macutchi said:

since cup disappeared the number of new threads has plummeted. if ghosts goes too we're fucked

The Azatis kid, I think that's his name, was exhausting in my opinion. Though I do admit, him and Quad did keep the forums active.

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#111 LuxuryHeart
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@Jag85: Reddit is better than Resetera! lol.

@MirkoS77 said:
@howmakewood said:

Pablo basically riled up the goons at neogaf(the shit hole that it is these days after the resetera split), basically trumpers and other nutjobs left.

GAF isn't at all bad these days honestly, and is in fact much better after the enema that led to the creation of ResetERA, where the true nutjobs are. It leans more conservative than to my liking so I stay out of the political forums, but it's a decent board otherwise. At least you can speak your mind there within reason.

OP, avoid ERA at all costs if you're a freethinker who holds actual opinions and wishes to defend them. For gaming info and industry scoop it's a decent place, but even then they can't help themselves. John (from Digital Foundry) just left the site as he posted one of his videos (discussing Ion Fury), and some self-righteous crusading ****head couldn't help but go after him, derailing the thread because he committed the unforgivable sin of failing to preface his video about "transphobic" and "homophobic" content and a few statements made by the developers. The website is filled to the brim with idiots and overflowing with outrage culture at every seam.

As for GS, this is a cool place with a small intimate community, which I like. It's chill here.

I don't even mind the left leaning thing ResetERA has going on. Though I find if hypocritical that they're lowkey racist about a lot of Japanese companies and praise Western centric things, yet go on about how racism is bad. My issue with them is their cult mind, particularly about Capcom. Capcom is literally the only company that you can't critic or really discuss. If you don't suck Capcom off, then you're bitter and want Monster Hunter on the Switch. You can't objectively talk about their strategy and how they haven't really done well in the mobile market in BUSINESS threads, not game threads just talking about the game(s) but financial threads.

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#112 Jag85
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@luxuryheart said:

@Jag85: Reddit is better than Resetera! lol.

@MirkoS77 said:
@howmakewood said:

Pablo basically riled up the goons at neogaf(the shit hole that it is these days after the resetera split), basically trumpers and other nutjobs left.

GAF isn't at all bad these days honestly, and is in fact much better after the enema that led to the creation of ResetERA, where the true nutjobs are. It leans more conservative than to my liking so I stay out of the political forums, but it's a decent board otherwise. At least you can speak your mind there within reason.

OP, avoid ERA at all costs if you're a freethinker who holds actual opinions and wishes to defend them. For gaming info and industry scoop it's a decent place, but even then they can't help themselves. John (from Digital Foundry) just left the site as he posted one of his videos (discussing Ion Fury), and some self-righteous crusading ****head couldn't help but go after him, derailing the thread because he committed the unforgivable sin of failing to preface his video about "transphobic" and "homophobic" content and a few statements made by the developers. The website is filled to the brim with idiots and overflowing with outrage culture at every seam.

As for GS, this is a cool place with a small intimate community, which I like. It's chill here.

I don't even mind the left leaning thing ResetERA has going on. Though I find if hypocritical that they're lowkey racist about a lot of Japanese companies and praise Western centric things, yet go on about how racism is bad. My issue with them is their cult mind, particularly about Capcom. Capcom is literally the only company that you can't critic or really discuss. If you don't suck Capcom off, then you're bitter and want Monster Hunter on the Switch. You can't objectively talk about their strategy and how they haven't really done well in the mobile market in BUSINESS threads, not game threads just talking about the game(s) but financial threads.

Like I said in a previous post, I don't really visit ResetEra much. I visit GameFAQs and Reddit way more, though mainly for non-gaming stuff in the latter case.

The way Japanese games often depict females (e.g. sexualized, revealing, attractive, youthful, etc.) makes them an easy target for feminists and "SJW" types on Era. The irony is that most Japanese female gamers have no issues with the way they're depicted in Japanese games, yet many Western feminists feel the need to get offended on their behalf.

What's wrong with Capcom? They're currently one of the best developers in the industry. So what if they haven't had much success in mobile games lately? They're delivering the goods when it comes to consoles and PC, which are of course what most game forum users care about.

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#113 Pedro
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@Jag85 said:

The way Japanese games often depict females (e.g. sexualized, revealing, attractive, youthful, etc.) makes them an easy target for feminists and "SJW" types on Era. The irony is that most Japanese female gamers have no issues with the way they're depicted in Japanese games, yet many Western feminists feel the need to get offended on their behalf.

Do you mind sharing info on how you come to this assertion?

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#114 remiks00
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@locopatho said:
@remiks00 said:

Enter my time machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070831033402/http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_topics.php?board_id=314159282

Brings back memories lol.

Damn, dude.

I clicked that link for a quick look and a laugh. But that gold and black colour scheme... the threads with the "fire" symbols for activity... the date of August 30th 2007, the week before I started college.... that actually got me emotional haha. How sad is that, getting gooey nostalgic for "Lair is a flop!!!" threads? I'm gonna blame the pandemic for making me more vulnerable :P

Goddamn, I will never understand why GS had to "redesign" their forums repeatedly and brokenly. 2007 Gamespot looks (and functioned!) better than 2020 Gamespot.

Lol, It's all good bro! Same here. I was starting college during that year too. I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt the nostalgia from the post. Those were some hilarious times here.

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#115  Edited By MirkoS77
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@Jag85 said:

It's not exactly "far left", which would be things like communism or Marxism. I'd say Era is more hard-left (a.k.a. "PC" or "SJW"), while GAF is more hard-right to far-right. You could always just stay away from political discussions on Era and stick to the gaming discussions, where it's otherwise a very informative place. It's a catch-22. Era is the most informative gaming forum, but that comes at the expense of heavy moderation. Still, it's way more preferable to NewGAF, which has been hijacked by reactionary misogynists and white-nationalists, and isn't very informative when it comes to actual gaming discussions either.

Era has had more than a few threads praising Marx, Lenin, and communism. It is very much far-left from what I've seen.

Typically I'd laugh my ass off at such pathetic rats that infest that sewer, but unfortunately, it is one that holds influence due to many of its members placement inside the industry. What they do, and what they believe, affects people. They've organized and launched campaigns against individuals and companies predicated upon nothing but their own self-righteous morality, and taken over ludicrously insignificant issues. They presume the moral foundations furthering their causes are sound before the issue can even be challenged. They are the moral arbiters, and any attempt to question that, even in the most civil of manners possible, results in an immediate ban and slung accusations assassinating one's character.

Many of their mods don't even attempt to hide the fact they are racists (this is impossible against whites due to "power dynamics and historical contexts", apparently). They're also hypocritical and inconsistent in implementation of their ToU (wishing death upon anyone is an immediate ban.....right up until COVID has penetrated into the West Wing), and favoritism amongst users and mods is rampant.

NeoGAF, for all its faults and disgusting views, at the very least doesn't attempt to destroy the lives of people simply because they disagree with them, and they allow standing up for a position. Era doesn't even have the balls to allow for debate challenging their foregone moral conclusions, yet they arrogantly presume they have foundation to destroy others based on them.

**** them. One of the worst websites on the net.

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#116 Messiahbolical-
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Kinda crazy to think I've been coming to this board off and on since like '02-03...

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#117 tenaka2
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@parkerrand said:

Just trying to see if it's worth joining.. thanks!

Well ghosts4eva has to make 20 threads a day or a dinosaur will eat his family. Most of them are about STALKER though.

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#118 xantufrog  Moderator
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@tenaka2: lol

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The most active on the site for sure, but nothing like the glory days of the late 2000's. There were days where if you posted a new thread, it would be on the second page within the hour.

But thank Gamespot for their draconian ToS, some volunteer mod staff that take their jobs *way* too seriously and the site owners trying to push everyone towards the comment sections on their "news" articles rather than an open forum for discussion for the drop in traffic.

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#120 Jag85
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@Pedro said:
@Jag85 said:

The way Japanese games often depict females (e.g. sexualized, revealing, attractive, youthful, etc.) makes them an easy target for feminists and "SJW" types on Era. The irony is that most Japanese female gamers have no issues with the way they're depicted in Japanese games, yet many Western feminists feel the need to get offended on their behalf.

Do you mind sharing info on how you come to this assertion?

There have been polls which indicate this to be the case. For example, this SNK poll in Japan asked male and female gamers to vote for their favourite female SNK characters:

In the West, Mai Shiranui is seen as the epitome of sexualized misogyny in video games, designed for horny Japanese boys. Yet in this poll, Japanese male gamers didn't even vote Mai among their top 5 favourite SNK female characters, but their top choices are female characters who are relatively more modestly dressed. On the contrary, it was Japanese female gamers who voted Mai as their favourite female SNK character, showing a preference for more sexualized female characters who wear revealing outfits.

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#121 Crazy_Chemist
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Seems pretty active to me. I have been in some forums where a response could take a few days if not over a week.

I just joined today, so I wouldn’t know, really.

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#122 Jag85
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@MirkoS77:

I personally haven't come across pro-Marx/Lenin threads on Era (though that might be because I'm not a regular there). While I'm sure there are a handful of those types on Era, I don't think the majority of its userbase cares about that stuff. What a majority of Era's userbase do care about is so-called "SJW" stuff, like complaining about sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. Which is a different ballpark from communism, Marxism, Leninism, etc.

Like I said, if you dislike Era's politics, then just avoid the political discussions and stick to the gaming discussions. The only reason I'd even recommend Era is for the gaming discussions, which are far better than anything you'd find on GAF.

Besides, why even go on gaming forums for political discussions anyway? The main reason we visit gaming forums is to discuss video games, not politics. While there's nothing wrong with having some political discussions on gaming forums here and there, that's not the main reason we visit them. It's not a major issue like you're making it out to be.

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#123 jaydan
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The reason why you'll hear Gamespot forums are dead these days is because this website used to be significantly more than what it is now. This site used to be a riot with a far larger community active.

Fact is: System Wars is still more active than a lot internet forums these days. Posting a thread here won't take a couple days just to get a response, unlike many other forums these days.

In conclusion: internet forums is a dying breed. Internet forums will never match their glory days they once had back in the 2000's. While you can best enjoy System Wars with modest activity in its current state, you can only best understand the glory days this place once had in legend.

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#124 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@foxhound_fox: Come on Fox, you know you miss CaseyWegner... /s

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#125 Assassin_87
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No where near as active as it once was.

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#126  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@foxhound_fox said:

The most active on the site for sure, but nothing like the glory days of the late 2000's. There were days where if you posted a new thread, it would be on the second page within the hour.

But thank Gamespot for their draconian ToS, some volunteer mod staff that take their jobs *way* too seriously and the site owners trying to push everyone towards the comment sections on their "news" articles rather than an open forum for discussion for the drop in traffic.

Good point. Hadn't thought of that. I wonder if hotlinking article comments sections straight into mirrored forum threads would increase traffic for both.

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#127  Edited By jaydan
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@sancho_panzer said:
@foxhound_fox said:

The most active on the site for sure, but nothing like the glory days of the late 2000's. There were days where if you posted a new thread, it would be on the second page within the hour.

But thank Gamespot for their draconian ToS, some volunteer mod staff that take their jobs *way* too seriously and the site owners trying to push everyone towards the comment sections on their "news" articles rather than an open forum for discussion for the drop in traffic.

Good point. Hadn't thought of that. I wonder if hotlinking article comments sections straight into mirrored forum threads would increase traffic for both.

Gamespot removed unions, among other community-friendly functions that were essentially the gears that kept this site lively. The Gamespot staff singlehandedly chastised the very elements that made this site successful.

There had been glaring lashes towards Gamespot's reputation, like the infamous firing of among the most respected reviewers on this site - Jeff Gertsmann - Gamespot could never quite recover their reputation after that one, and then other of Gamespot's strongest reviewers started to leave as well. I'm pretty sure to this day the Gamespot elites have found the Gertsmann firing as a regrettable choice.

Another major piece in Gamespot's downfall was when mods collectively pulled an April Fool's prank on the community that ended up going too far and ended up upsetting users in masses and most of the old community disappeared after that.

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#128  Edited By Pedro
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@Jag85 said:
@Pedro said:
@Jag85 said:

The way Japanese games often depict females (e.g. sexualized, revealing, attractive, youthful, etc.) makes them an easy target for feminists and "SJW" types on Era. The irony is that most Japanese female gamers have no issues with the way they're depicted in Japanese games, yet many Western feminists feel the need to get offended on their behalf.

Do you mind sharing info on how you come to this assertion?

There have been polls which indicate this to be the case. For example, this SNK poll in Japan asked male and female gamers to vote for their favourite female SNK characters:

In the West, Mai Shiranui is seen as the epitome of sexualized misogyny in video games, designed for horny Japanese boys. Yet in this poll, Japanese male gamers didn't even vote Mai among their top 5 favourite SNK female characters, but their top choices are female characters who are relatively more modestly dressed. On the contrary, it was Japanese female gamers who voted Mai as their favourite female SNK character, showing a preference for more sexualized female characters who wear revealing outfits.

So, you draw the conclusion that "most Japanese female gamers have no issues with the way they're depicted in Japanese games" based of a poll taken in 1997? That is 23 years ago. You don't find that a bit of stretch in logic?

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#129 foxhound_fox
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@jaydan said:

Gamespot removed unions, among other community-friendly functions that were essentially the gears that kept this site lively. The Gamespot staff singlehandedly chastised the very elements that made this site successful.

There had been glaring lashes towards Gamespot's reputation, like the infamous firing of among the most respected reviewers on this site - Jeff Gertsmann - Gamespot could never quite recover their reputation after that one, and then other of Gamespot's strongest reviewers started to leave as well. I'm pretty sure to this day the Gamespot elites have found the Gertsmann firing as a regrettable choice.

Another major piece in Gamespot's downfall was when mods collectively pulled an April Fool's prank on the community that ended up going too far and ended up upsetting users in masses and most of the old community disappeared after that.

Yep, that April Fools prank was the biggest exodus. I think there was at least 25% of the biggest active users that just up and left after that, even though the staff/mods would deny it to this day.

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#130  Edited By jaydan
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@foxhound_fox said:
@jaydan said:

Gamespot removed unions, among other community-friendly functions that were essentially the gears that kept this site lively. The Gamespot staff singlehandedly chastised the very elements that made this site successful.

There had been glaring lashes towards Gamespot's reputation, like the infamous firing of among the most respected reviewers on this site - Jeff Gertsmann - Gamespot could never quite recover their reputation after that one, and then other of Gamespot's strongest reviewers started to leave as well. I'm pretty sure to this day the Gamespot elites have found the Gertsmann firing as a regrettable choice.

Another major piece in Gamespot's downfall was when mods collectively pulled an April Fool's prank on the community that ended up going too far and ended up upsetting users in masses and most of the old community disappeared after that.

Yep, that April Fools prank was the biggest exodus. I think there was at least 25% of the biggest active users that just up and left after that, even though the staff/mods would deny it to this day.

I remember the thing when it happened. I remember the outcry more than I remember the prank itself that got people so furious. If I recall correctly, the mod team at the time fabricated I big episode of drama that got the most popular mod at the time banned, and the mods 'leaked' conversion logs of said drama that led to banning. Many members got emotional over it and called injustice then the mods including the one members were passionately in defense for were like "April Fool's" and everything was okay - but it wasn't. Some members were so hurt and betrayed over it, members were vocal about it. The most vocal members convinced basically the majority of this site to leave. It was the end of an era of Gamespot, that's for sure.

Looking back I can't help to laugh because honestly, it was very overreacted, yet its sad because it's what caused Gamepot's death.

Is my memory correct on all this? Am I getting anything wrong, am I missing anything?

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#131 Jag85
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@Pedro said:
@Jag85 said:

There have been polls which indicate this to be the case. For example, this SNK poll in Japan asked male and female gamers to vote for their favourite female SNK characters:

In the West, Mai Shiranui is seen as the epitome of sexualized misogyny in video games, designed for horny Japanese boys. Yet in this poll, Japanese male gamers didn't even vote Mai among their top 5 favourite SNK female characters, but their top choices are female characters who are relatively more modestly dressed. On the contrary, it was Japanese female gamers who voted Mai as their favourite female SNK character, showing a preference for more sexualized female characters who wear revealing outfits.

So, you draw the conclusion that "most Japanese female gamers have no issues with the way they're depicted in Japanese games" based of a poll taken in 1997? That is 23 years ago. You don't find that a bit of stretch in logic?

Except that's not my entire argument. I presented you an example. Don't you think pulling a strawman argument is a bit of a stretch in logic?

Other examples include statements from Japanese game companies themselves. Quite a few have said that most of the sexism complaints they've received have come from abroad, not from within Japan itself. Whenever Japanese devs are confronted with accusations of sexism from the West, their response to the West is usually something along the lines of, "Oh, we didn't know that was offensive to Western women."

The reason why Japanese games keep getting away with sexualizing females is because there simply aren't enough Japanese women actually complaining about it. In contrast, sexualization in Western games has become increasingly uncommon, in response to complaints from Western women. If enough Japanese women were complaining about it, then we'd see the same response from Japanese devs. But because there's not enough Japanese women complaining, many Japanese games continue to be sexualized.

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Enter my time machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070831033402/http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_topics.php?board_id=314159282

Brings back memories lol.

Looking at the Last Post column, you could tell just how significantly more active the forum was. Every thread in that first page had a post in the previous five minutes.

Compare that to now, the last post on the bottom thread in the first page was made 2 days ago.

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@jaydan said:

Gamespot removed unions, among other community-friendly functions that were essentially the gears that kept this site lively. The Gamespot staff singlehandedly chastised the very elements that made this site successful.

There had been glaring lashes towards Gamespot's reputation, like the infamous firing of among the most respected reviewers on this site - Jeff Gertsmann - Gamespot could never quite recover their reputation after that one, and then other of Gamespot's strongest reviewers started to leave as well. I'm pretty sure to this day the Gamespot elites have found the Gertsmann firing as a regrettable choice.

Another major piece in Gamespot's downfall was when mods collectively pulled an April Fool's prank on the community that ended up going too far and ended up upsetting users in masses and most of the old community disappeared after that.

Yep, that April Fools prank was the biggest exodus. I think there was at least 25% of the biggest active users that just up and left after that, even though the staff/mods would deny it to this day.

Been around since forever, and never heard about this april fools prank

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@hardwenzen said:
@foxhound_fox said:
@jaydan said:

Gamespot removed unions, among other community-friendly functions that were essentially the gears that kept this site lively. The Gamespot staff singlehandedly chastised the very elements that made this site successful.

There had been glaring lashes towards Gamespot's reputation, like the infamous firing of among the most respected reviewers on this site - Jeff Gertsmann - Gamespot could never quite recover their reputation after that one, and then other of Gamespot's strongest reviewers started to leave as well. I'm pretty sure to this day the Gamespot elites have found the Gertsmann firing as a regrettable choice.

Another major piece in Gamespot's downfall was when mods collectively pulled an April Fool's prank on the community that ended up going too far and ended up upsetting users in masses and most of the old community disappeared after that.

Yep, that April Fools prank was the biggest exodus. I think there was at least 25% of the biggest active users that just up and left after that, even though the staff/mods would deny it to this day.

Been around since forever, and never heard about this april fools prank

Same.

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@Jag85 said:

@MirkoS77:

I personally haven't come across pro-Marx/Lenin threads on Era (though that might be because I'm not a regular there). While I'm sure there are a handful of those types on Era, I don't think the majority of its userbase cares about that stuff. What a majority of Era's userbase do care about is so-called "SJW" stuff, like complaining about sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. Which is a different ballpark from communism, Marxism, Leninism, etc.

Like I said, if you dislike Era's politics, then just avoid the political discussions and stick to the gaming discussions. The only reason I'd even recommend Era is for the gaming discussions, which are far better than anything you'd find on GAF.

Besides, why even go on gaming forums for political discussions anyway? The main reason we visit gaming forums is to discuss video games, not politics. While there's nothing wrong with having some political discussions on gaming forums here and there, that's not the main reason we visit them. It's not a major issue like you're making it out to be.

Era's politics constantly infringe upon any and all discussion they have, gaming or otherwise, and you don't need to be a regular there to see this (I'm not). You can't avoid their politics, if you don't discuss it, it will be brought up. Case in point (post #22). No discussion is better on Era, because in principle they operate under the assumption there's a "correct" opinion, enforceable by moderation. And in a day and age where politics and gaming are often viewed as one and the same, GAF is far superior in this respect, even if they lack the demographics in their user-base that would afford more in-depth and informed discourse.

Which really is not my issue though, it's again, that Era believes they have the right to impose their worldview upon the outside world based on their own moral compass that they don't do anything to defend past their own pathetic echo-chamber. Any forum that does that is a shit forum that has NO good discussion, period.

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@Jag85 said:

Except that's not my entire argument. I presented you an example. Don't you think pulling a strawman argument is a bit of a stretch in logic?

Other examples include statements from Japanese game companies themselves. Quite a few have said that most of the sexism complaints they've received have come from abroad, not from within Japan itself. Whenever Japanese devs are confronted with accusations of sexism from the West, their response to the West is usually something along the lines of, "Oh, we didn't know that was offensive to Western women."

The reason why Japanese games keep getting away with sexualizing females is because there simply aren't enough Japanese women actually complaining about it. In contrast, sexualization in Western games has become increasingly uncommon, in response to complaints from Western women. If enough Japanese women were complaining about it, then we'd see the same response from Japanese devs. But because there's not enough Japanese women complaining, many Japanese games continue to be sexualized.

Strawman? Asking someone to provide information about their claim is strawman? Referencing that the reference data you are using is 23 years old is strawman? Stating that your generalized statement based on the information you provided was stretch is strawman? Please clarify on the strawman argument that you are claiming I am making.

You are also continuing to add more to the bucket of unsubstantiated claims. I refer you to the initial statement in question

"The irony is that most Japanese female gamers have no issues with the way they're depicted in Japanese games,"

You will have to provide information that directly deals with the above claim.

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@MirkoS77 said:
@Jag85 said:

@MirkoS77:

I personally haven't come across pro-Marx/Lenin threads on Era (though that might be because I'm not a regular there). While I'm sure there are a handful of those types on Era, I don't think the majority of its userbase cares about that stuff. What a majority of Era's userbase do care about is so-called "SJW" stuff, like complaining about sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. Which is a different ballpark from communism, Marxism, Leninism, etc.

Like I said, if you dislike Era's politics, then just avoid the political discussions and stick to the gaming discussions. The only reason I'd even recommend Era is for the gaming discussions, which are far better than anything you'd find on GAF.

Besides, why even go on gaming forums for political discussions anyway? The main reason we visit gaming forums is to discuss video games, not politics. While there's nothing wrong with having some political discussions on gaming forums here and there, that's not the main reason we visit them. It's not a major issue like you're making it out to be.

Era's politics constantly infringe upon any and all discussion they have, gaming or otherwise, and you don't need to be a regular there to see this (I'm not). You can't avoid their politics, if you don't discuss it, it will be brought up. Case in point (post #22). No discussion is better on Era, because in principle they operate under the assumption there's a "correct" opinion, enforceable by moderation. And in a day and age where politics and gaming are often viewed as one and the same, GAF is far superior in this respect, even if they lack the demographics in their user-base that would afford more in-depth and informed discourse.

Which really is not my issue though, it's again, that Era believes they have the right to impose their worldview upon the outside world based on their own moral compass that they don't do anything to defend past their own pathetic echo-chamber. Any forum that does that is a shit forum that has NO good discussion, period.

Not gonna defend Era's echo-chamber tendencies, as they are very much an echo-chamber, but any discussion about games can eventually lead to politics, because games are made by people and tell stories about people. If a forum never gets to the politics of a game, then it probably isn't discussing it very deeply at all. That's one of the best parts of Era, discussion can get deeply into a game beyond the surface level "I hate the loading screens" or "the graphics are amazing".

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@ConanTheStoner: This sites best days are behind it.

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@Willy105 said:
@MirkoS77 said:

Era's politics constantly infringe upon any and all discussion they have, gaming or otherwise, and you don't need to be a regular there to see this (I'm not). You can't avoid their politics, if you don't discuss it, it will be brought up. Case in point (post #22). No discussion is better on Era, because in principle they operate under the assumption there's a "correct" opinion, enforceable by moderation. And in a day and age where politics and gaming are often viewed as one and the same, GAF is far superior in this respect, even if they lack the demographics in their user-base that would afford more in-depth and informed discourse.

Which really is not my issue though, it's again, that Era believes they have the right to impose their worldview upon the outside world based on their own moral compass that they don't do anything to defend past their own pathetic echo-chamber. Any forum that does that is a shit forum that has NO good discussion, period.

Not gonna defend Era's echo-chamber tendencies, as they are very much an echo-chamber, but any discussion about games can eventually lead to politics, because games are made by people and tell stories about people. If a forum never gets to the politics of a game, then it probably isn't discussing it very deeply at all. That's one of the best parts of Era, discussion can get deeply into a game beyond the surface level "I hate the loading screens" or "the graphics are amazing".

What good is that "discussion" if it only allows a one-sided view point? Talking politics on era is like talking about fanboys on system wars: only one train of though is allowed.

The problems with online forums are two fold: either the mods abuse their power, like neo or era; or the users abuse their freedom like those 'chan' sites. Either case it ends up being a big ole shit show that's not fit to read or be a part of.

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@Willy105 said:

Not gonna defend Era's echo-chamber tendencies, as they are very much an echo-chamber, but any discussion about games can eventually lead to politics, because games are made by people and tell stories about people. If a forum never gets to the politics of a game, then it probably isn't discussing it very deeply at all. That's one of the best parts of Era, discussion can get deeply into a game beyond the surface level "I hate the loading screens" or "the graphics are amazing".

I don't have trouble discussing politics in anything, I have trouble with only one side being able to be expressed or defended. You can't discuss politics there, you either agree with positions they've pre-determined as morally sound and work within that context, or you are gone. No nuance, no debate, no defense allowed.

Era is easily one of the (if not the) most intolerant sites on the web, and they are by default at the bottom of the barrel of forums because of it. I don't care how knowledgeable their users are. Forums are about discussion and divergence of opinions, and if you don't allow for that, you are a shit forum.

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@Pedro said:
@Jag85 said:

Except that's not my entire argument. I presented you an example. Don't you think pulling a strawman argument is a bit of a stretch in logic?

Other examples include statements from Japanese game companies themselves. Quite a few have said that most of the sexism complaints they've received have come from abroad, not from within Japan itself. Whenever Japanese devs are confronted with accusations of sexism from the West, their response to the West is usually something along the lines of, "Oh, we didn't know that was offensive to Western women."

The reason why Japanese games keep getting away with sexualizing females is because there simply aren't enough Japanese women actually complaining about it. In contrast, sexualization in Western games has become increasingly uncommon, in response to complaints from Western women. If enough Japanese women were complaining about it, then we'd see the same response from Japanese devs. But because there's not enough Japanese women complaining, many Japanese games continue to be sexualized.

Strawman? Asking someone to provide information about their claim is strawman? Referencing that the reference data you are using is 23 years old is strawman? Stating that your generalized statement based on the information you provided was stretch is strawman? Please clarify on the strawman argument that you are claiming I am making.

You are also continuing to add more to the bucket of unsubstantiated claims. I refer you to the initial statement in question

"The irony is that most Japanese female gamers have no issues with the way they're depicted in Japanese games,"

You will have to provide information that directly deals with the above claim.

The strawman is your assumption that my entire argument is solely based on a single old poll. Despite stating that it's an example.

I've already provided plenty of evidence, along with a logical argument. And have plenty more evidence. But there's no point continuing this debate any further, since you're clearly not interested in providing any kind of counter-argument or counter-evidence. This is going nowhere. And it's off-topic.

@MirkoS77 said:
@Jag85 said:

@MirkoS77:

I personally haven't come across pro-Marx/Lenin threads on Era (though that might be because I'm not a regular there). While I'm sure there are a handful of those types on Era, I don't think the majority of its userbase cares about that stuff. What a majority of Era's userbase do care about is so-called "SJW" stuff, like complaining about sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. Which is a different ballpark from communism, Marxism, Leninism, etc.

Like I said, if you dislike Era's politics, then just avoid the political discussions and stick to the gaming discussions. The only reason I'd even recommend Era is for the gaming discussions, which are far better than anything you'd find on GAF.

Besides, why even go on gaming forums for political discussions anyway? The main reason we visit gaming forums is to discuss video games, not politics. While there's nothing wrong with having some political discussions on gaming forums here and there, that's not the main reason we visit them. It's not a major issue like you're making it out to be.

Era's politics constantly infringe upon any and all discussion they have, gaming or otherwise, and you don't need to be a regular there to see this (I'm not). You can't avoid their politics, if you don't discuss it, it will be brought up. Case in point (post #22). No discussion is better on Era, because in principle they operate under the assumption there's a "correct" opinion, enforceable by moderation. And in a day and age where politics and gaming are often viewed as one and the same, GAF is far superior in this respect, even if they lack the demographics in their user-base that would afford more in-depth and informed discourse.

Which really is not my issue though, it's again, that Era believes they have the right to impose their worldview upon the outside world based on their own moral compass that they don't do anything to defend past their own pathetic echo-chamber. Any forum that does that is a shit forum that has NO good discussion, period.

Care to explain what that case in point is about? I don't follow FPS games much. Apparently, John Linneman got some backlash over Ion Fury, or something?

Politics gets dragged into almost everything these days, whether it's the news, entertainment, movies, games, music, etc. So of course it's unavoidable. But there's no need to focus solely on the politics and ignore everything else. The vast majority of gaming discussions have nothing to do with politics. There may be some controversies here or there, and there may be some games with a political message. But that's about as far as it goes. You're focusing way too much on politically-driven discussions and ignoring everything else.

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@Jag85 said:

@MirkoS77 said:

Era's politics constantly infringe upon any and all discussion they have, gaming or otherwise, and you don't need to be a regular there to see this (I'm not). You can't avoid their politics, if you don't discuss it, it will be brought up. Case in point (post #22). No discussion is better on Era, because in principle they operate under the assumption there's a "correct" opinion, enforceable by moderation. And in a day and age where politics and gaming are often viewed as one and the same, GAF is far superior in this respect, even if they lack the demographics in their user-base that would afford more in-depth and informed discourse.

Which really is not my issue though, it's again, that Era believes they have the right to impose their worldview upon the outside world based on their own moral compass that they don't do anything to defend past their own pathetic echo-chamber. Any forum that does that is a shit forum that has NO good discussion, period.

Care to explain what that case in point is about? I don't follow FPS games much. Apparently, John Linneman got some backlash over Ion Fury, or something?

Politics gets dragged into almost everything these days, whether it's the news, entertainment, movies, games, music, etc. So of course it's unavoidable. But there's no need to focus solely on the politics and ignore everything else. The vast majority of gaming discussions have nothing to do with politics. There may be some controversies here or there, and there may be some games with a political message. But that's about as far as it goes. You're focusing way too much on politically-driven discussions and ignoring everything else.

Basically what happened was that John (a member of Digital Foundry) began a thread discussing how the game Ion Fury performed on varying platforms. A game that's been previously mired in controversy due to some Discord statements by its developers and in-game content Era deemed homophobic (an "OGay" play off of "OLay"). John's video content was 100% objective, yet some nitwit enters and accuses him of "signal boosting" the developer's bigotry, implying that John agrees with their views or doesn't care about them simply because he didn't preface his video with a disclaimer informing people of this unfathomable injustice. Which John is under no obligation to do, because these twats at Era don't seem to understand that what they view as moral imperatives in their pathetic lives, no one else has to give a single **** about. In the end, it drove John and the rest of DF away.

Which is my point. You keep saying to stay away from politics there and stick to gaming, but you can't, as even if you make a topic that is as objective as possible, you will have people coming in and picking fights, looking to accuse others of being (or supporting) bigots without foundation because they committed the unforgivable sin of not proactively addressing the fact that the developers' great, great, great, great, great grandfather harmed a hair on a black person's head hundreds of years ago.

This occurs far too often. They are so absorbed in their outrage culture that it permeates and seeps into nearly every thread or discussion. And if you object to it, for derailment? Ban. Era isn't strict, they are a bunch of racist, fascist, pathetic losers masquerading under a guise of progressivism. I focus on it because it negatively affects peoples' lives in tangible ways. If it didn't I could laugh it off.

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@remiks00 said:

Enter my time machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070831033402/http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_topics.php?board_id=314159282

Brings back memories lol.

Duuuuuude, this really took me back XD. I can't believe I forgot all about levels and level names!

EDIT: OMG I just found myself on someone's sig lol.

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Oh the juicy Lair and Haze threads. Those were quality.

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Already joined, too late.

Compared to other gaming forums, probably like 2/10. 3/10 on a good day.

This forums best days are long gone.

Would have loved to have you here in 2006ish. Those were the glory days.

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This is really the only place I post for gaming. It was kind of fun getting into console slobber knockers here, especially once things got better when oversensitive fanboys weren't allowed to abuse the flag system anymore. It's really the only healthy board on this forum though, and why it's more of a general gaming topic board.

This place at the very least gives you more elbow room to talk crap about games without an instant ban. It's also more enjoyable than places like Resetera, which is just old NeoGAF with none of the fun and way more Microsoft astroturf.

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It's very inactive, topics move at a snail's pace. All in all this forum has mostly bled out and engagement is pretty limited.

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@thegreatchomp said:

@ConanTheStoner: This sites best days are behind it.

hot take

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@Willy105 said:
@hardwenzen said:

Been around since forever, and never heard about this april fools prank

Same.

I don't remember the year but it was bad. From what I can remember, it was this big "fight" between mods, that ended in a bunch of them getting "banned".

I can't remember if it was resolved the same day, or a day or two later, but people were pissed. People porn-suicided their accounts, people left and never came back and the mod/admin team was just like "April Fools! Oops!"

They forgave the suicides IIRC, but people still weren't too happy about the whole thing at all and many still ended up staying gone.

Personally, I hate pranks of any capacity, and I honestly don't remember why I stayed, but that kind of deception to the entire forum community killed off a lot of interest people had in this place.

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@MirkoS77 said:
@Jag85 said:

Care to explain what that case in point is about? I don't follow FPS games much. Apparently, John Linneman got some backlash over Ion Fury, or something?

Politics gets dragged into almost everything these days, whether it's the news, entertainment, movies, games, music, etc. So of course it's unavoidable. But there's no need to focus solely on the politics and ignore everything else. The vast majority of gaming discussions have nothing to do with politics. There may be some controversies here or there, and there may be some games with a political message. But that's about as far as it goes. You're focusing way too much on politically-driven discussions and ignoring everything else.

Basically what happened was that John (a member of Digital Foundry) began a thread discussing how the game Ion Fury performed on varying platforms. A game that's been previously mired in controversy due to some Discord statements by its developers and in-game content Era deemed homophobic (an "OGay" play off of "OLay"). John's video content was 100% objective, yet some nitwit enters and accuses him of "signal boosting" the developer's bigotry, implying that John agrees with their views or doesn't care about them simply because he didn't preface his video with a disclaimer informing people of this unfathomable injustice. Which John is under no obligation to do, because these twats at Era don't seem to understand that what they view as moral imperatives in their pathetic lives, no one else has to give a single **** about. In the end, it drove John and the rest of DF away.

Which is my point. You keep saying to stay away from politics there and stick to gaming, but you can't, as even if you make a topic that is as objective as possible, you will have people coming in and picking fights, looking to accuse others of being (or supporting) bigots without foundation because they committed the unforgivable sin of not proactively addressing the fact that the developers' great, great, great, great, great grandfather harmed a hair on a black person's head hundreds of years ago.

This occurs far too often. They are so absorbed in their outrage culture that it permeates and seeps into nearly every thread or discussion. And if you object to it, for derailment? Ban. Era isn't strict, they are a bunch of racist, fascist, pathetic losers masquerading under a guise of progressivism. I focus on it because it negatively affects peoples' lives in tangible ways. If it didn't I could laugh it off.

I know who John Linneman is (watched many of his DF Retro videos), but wasn't entirely familiar with the whole situation, so thanks for the explanation.

Clearly, this is a big issue for you. It's not really much of an issue for me, since I'm already fairly left-leaning (though maybe not quite left enough, as I still got a few warnings there). But for users who are more right-leaning, or even centrist, it's certainly not a very welcoming place.

Either way, my point still stands. Most gaming discussions have nothing to do with politics. They don't here on SW and neither do most gaming discussions over at Era. While there are some politically-driven controversies here and there, you might not even notice them unless you're actively looking for it. I'm a fan of Linneman's videos (mainly his DF Retro stuff), yet I wasn't aware of his Era controversy until this thread. And it's not like he got banned, but he still has his account at Era. I still think you're exaggerating this issue way out of proportion.