Hot take #1: Playstation 5 tempest engine 3D audio is GARBO

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#101 lundy86_4  Online
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@ConanTheStoner said:

Nice, yeah scooped it earlier this week. Only went at it for an hour or two, but definitely enjoying it so far.

Definitely tricky in spots, but still enjoying the game. I like that though it can be hard, as you rewind back to the beginning of the room you're still learning how best to tackle the challenge.

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#102 X_CAPCOM_X
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@Sushiglutton said:
@hardwenzen said:

Nothing else but Demon's souls. I've played GoW a bit, but i don't think the game supports it.

Demon's Remake is known to have very good sound, tho, so one game is enough to know the performance of the audio engine. It just sounds muffled and unclean. Very similar to a heavily compressed sound. In standard stereo, it sounds excellent.

Hmm ok, that does seem like a problem then. Perhaps they must compress the audio to make it fast enough. Luckily I have very low standards when it comes to audio, but I can see this being an actually issue for others.

fyi, you probably can't tell unless the bitrate is encoded abysmally low (cymbals, hi-hats, crashes sounding like muffled white noise from music for example), which it for damn sure isn't in any video game released after 2006. Anything else that "sounds cleaner" is due to post-processing or external equipment, or not the original sound.

While I'm on that subject, most of that audiophile psuedoscience baffles me as to how much it is accepted among "tech experts" and gamers alike. All headsets are basically stereo headphones ("virtual surround" is also just post processing), and the biggest difference you are getting is the quality of the drivers, and even that doesn't affect the eventual sound quality you'll get very much.

In short, your headset is fine. Yes, even an 100 dollar gaming headset is (probably) great for gaming. Don't worry at all about what some internet nerds are saying about your equipment.

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#103 hardwenzen
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@X_CAPCOM_X said:
@Sushiglutton said:
@hardwenzen said:

Nothing else but Demon's souls. I've played GoW a bit, but i don't think the game supports it.

Demon's Remake is known to have very good sound, tho, so one game is enough to know the performance of the audio engine. It just sounds muffled and unclean. Very similar to a heavily compressed sound. In standard stereo, it sounds excellent.

Hmm ok, that does seem like a problem then. Perhaps they must compress the audio to make it fast enough. Luckily I have very low standards when it comes to audio, but I can see this being an actually issue for others.

fyi, you probably can't tell unless the bitrate is encoded abysmally low (cymbals, hi-hats, crashes sounding like muffled white noise from music for example), which it for damn sure isn't in any video game released after 2006. Anything else that "sounds cleaner" is due to post-processing or external equipment, or not the original sound.

While I'm on that subject, most of that audiophile psuedoscience baffles me as to how much it is accepted among "tech experts" and gamers alike. All headsets are basically stereo headphones ("virtual surround" is also just post processing), and the biggest difference you are getting is the quality of the drivers, and even that doesn't affect the eventual sound quality you'll get very much.

In short, your headset is fine. Yes, even an 100 dollar gaming headset is (probably) great for gaming. Don't worry at all about what some internet nerds are saying about your equipment.

That's not true. Almost all gaming headsets are closed back, which kills the soundstage. You can't tell at which distances footsteps or gunfire is at, you just hear the direction, and even the direction is poor in many cases because the imaging in the used drivers is shit (Turtle Beaches say hello).

You say that the headset is fine. Sure its fine, but when you can buy yourself a proper pair of headphones for the same price, why bother with "fine" when you can get "great".

This has nothing to do with the thread, tho.

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#104  Edited By Gifford38
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@hardwenzen: ps5 sounds great on my surround sound. I have not tried the 3d audio yet. Sony and Microsoft overly hype new tech in there consoles. Does it matter? If I hook up the series x to my sound bar it will sound the same. In the end the 3d sound is not the reason ps5 are selling. Ps5 in every way beats the PS4. Cooling without sounding it wants to launch in space lol, audio, SSD loading, controller, and that's all they had to do. Make it better than last gen. You can tell they put more thought into it over the PS4.

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#105  Edited By X_CAPCOM_X
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@hardwenzen said:

That's not true. Almost all gaming headsets are closed back, which kills the soundstage. You can't tell at which distances footsteps or gunfire is at, you just hear the direction, and even the direction is poor in many cases because the imaging in the used drivers is shit (Turtle Beaches say hello).

You say that the headset is fine. Sure its fine, but when you can buy yourself a proper pair of headphones for the same price, why bother with "fine" when you can get "great".

This has nothing to do with the thread, tho.

It really is true. I don't want to give anyone buyer's remorse; if doubling or tripling your budget into your audio setup is worth it to you for the marginal gains, by all means go for it. I will cheer you on. I spent extra money (I probably shouldn't have) on faster binned RAM. Why? Well, a slight increase in 1% lows in fps was worth that to me.

Just don't claim someone else's setup is trash because they didn't spend upwards of 300 dollars on a headset. That is madness I can't ever condone.

It actually kind of does have something to do with the thread, btw.

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#106 hardwenzen
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@X_CAPCOM_X said:
@hardwenzen said:

That's not true. Almost all gaming headsets are closed back, which kills the soundstage. You can't tell at which distances footsteps or gunfire is at, you just hear the direction, and even the direction is poor in many cases because the imaging in the used drivers is shit (Turtle Beaches say hello).

You say that the headset is fine. Sure its fine, but when you can buy yourself a proper pair of headphones for the same price, why bother with "fine" when you can get "great".

This has nothing to do with the thread, tho.

It really is true. I don't want to give anyone buyer's remorse; if doubling or tripling your budget into your audio setup is worth it to you for the marginal gains, by all means go for it. I will cheer you on. I spent extra money (I probably shouldn't have) on faster binned RAM. Why? Well, a slight increase in 1% lows in fps was worth that to me.

Just don't claim someone else's setup is trash because they didn't spend upwards of 300 dollars on a headset. That is madness I can't ever condone.

It actually kind of does have something to do with the thread, btw.

Read a bit. It is real far from your stated 1%.

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#107  Edited By deactivated-60113e7859d7d
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Speaking of Sennheiser, I noticed a few days ago that the Criterion Collection uses that brand to professionally restore movies. Probably for their neutral but precise sound. Counts for something.

Anyone know what model that is?

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#108 PernicioEnigma
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@ezekiel43 said:

Speaking of Sennheiser, I noticed a few days ago that the Criterion Collection uses that brand to professionally restore movies. Probably for their neutral but precise sound. Counts for something.

Anyone know what model that is?

Looks like it might be the HD600.

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#109 topgunmv
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@PernicioEnigma said:
@ezekiel43 said:

Speaking of Sennheiser, I noticed a few days ago that the Criterion Collection uses that brand to professionally restore movies. Probably for their neutral but precise sound. Counts for something.

Anyone know what model that is?

Looks like it might be the HD600.

It is, the blue part would be grey if it were the HD650.

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#110  Edited By deactivated-60113e7859d7d
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@topgunmv: @PernicioEnigma: Sweet. I have the 6XX, which is supposedly very similar.

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#111 topgunmv
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@ezekiel43 said:

@topgunmv: @PernicioEnigma: Sweet. I have the 6XX, which is supposedly very similar.

Supposedly its just cheaper plastics for the frame to cut costs, sound wise they should be identical.

Sort of the de facto entry point along with the 600s for "grown up" audiophile headphones. I still have a pair of 650s in my collection from when they were making them in Ireland.

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#112 hardwenzen
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@topgunmv said:
@ezekiel43 said:

@topgunmv: @PernicioEnigma: Sweet. I have the 6XX, which is supposedly very similar.

Supposedly its just cheaper plastics for the frame to cut costs, sound wise they should be identical.

Sort of the de facto entry point along with the 600s for "grown up" audiophile headphones. I still have a pair of 650s in my collection from when they were making them in Ireland.

Y'all should stop talking about sennheiser, its triggering phlop.