Holy crap! imagine the graphics of RDR3, HZD 2, Next gen GOW , next gen gears of war etc...

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#101 Posted by DoomNukem3D (198 posts) -

@pmanden: I agree. I think games from that era tend to age the best. Yoshi's Island is a perfect example of a game that is visually timeless. A lot of games these days are doomed to age poorly especially those that aim to look realistic as they will lose there graphical appeal as graphics continue to look more advanced and realistic, while a lot of SNES, Genesis, and even NES games will remain to look classy.

And yeah a lot of indie games try to imitate the oldschool look and feel exactly like that. Imitation instead of authentic and not to say they look bad but in a way awkward imo.

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#102 Edited by PC_Rocks (2326 posts) -

@emgesp said:
@pc_rocks said:

It's you and your fellow cows that always use one characteristic to judge it i.e. animation and character models for cutscenes/onrail segments. In literally every single other metric Sony games and console games in general seriously lag behind top of the line last gen PC games. Be it lighting, foliage, textures, shadows, reflections, dynamic environments, physics, AA, AF, IQ, scale, DD, particle physics etc. Realtime >>> baked effects. 9 years and counting.

Baked or Not we have tons of examples of PS4 games with absolutely fantastic lighting quality. It all comes down to the skill of the developers. Techniques in of themselves doesn't mean crap if you don't have skilled developers behind them. You want to pretend PS4 exclusive games look like crap, that is your right, but you are just making yourself out to be a hater. Nobody is going to take comments like yours seriously when some of the most respected people in this field all agree that some of the best looking games this gen are PS4 exclusives.

PS4 exclusives have extremely shitty lighting, and no baked techniques don't mean shit in technical terms. Also baking is art workflow not development. The most respected people in the industry agrees with my point of view hence whenever technical details come up or a new technique is implemented they goes back to the games I listed for comparison and the funny thing is no graphical techniques were pioneered by Sony, not even one.

Best looking is subjective, best technical graphics is not. Realtime >>> baking. 9 years and counting. For evidence: Exhibit A above. Feel free to replace UC4 with GoW/HZD/KZ:SF etc.

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#103 Posted by Diddies (2398 posts) -

@emgesp: no opinion there. It is factually correct that those games look better than any PS exclusive. You realize I have both right? When you have a top tier PC and a Pro then you can make the argument.

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#104 Edited by PinkRibbonScars (59 posts) -

@pc_rocks: Care to show us all these technically impressive PC games? Because the only technically impressive PC games I play are multiplats. Aside from Star Citizen, PC hasn't had a technically impressive game since Crysis.

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#105 Edited by PC_Rocks (2326 posts) -

@pinkribbonscars said:

@pc_rocks: Care to show us all these technically impressive PC games? Because the only technically impressive PC games I play are multiplats. Aside from Star Citizen, PC hasn't had a technically impressive game since Crysis.

Not my fault you missed the video I linked. On the second thought the video was a bit overkill, wake me up when you finally surpass Metro 2033 as I remember it had to be downgraded to run on PS4 4 years later. 9 years and counting. Baby steps first.

EDIT: Ah crap, didn't realize I was responding to an alt of scatteh. So carry on!

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#106 Posted by Pedro (34638 posts) -

@pc_rocks said:
@pinkribbonscars said:

@pc_rocks: Care to show us all these technically impressive PC games? Because the only technically impressive PC games I play are multiplats. Aside from Star Citizen, PC hasn't had a technically impressive game since Crysis.

Not my fault you missed the video I linked. On the second thought the video was a bit overkill, wake me up when you finally surpass Metro 2033 as I remember it had to be downgraded to run on PS4 4 years later. 9 years and counting. Baby steps first.

EDIT: Ah crap, didn't realize I was responding to an alt of scatteh. So carry on!

It happens. They are rampant.

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#107 Posted by PinkRibbonScars (59 posts) -

@pc_rocks: What video? The Crysis 3 one? Crysis 3 is a last gen multiplat game from 6 years ago dude. It was technically impressive last gen, but it isn't impressive anymore. And why are you talking about Metro 2033? lol

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#108 Posted by DarthBuzzard (154 posts) -

@warmblur said:

I'm more interested into seeing what next gen VR headset will look like especially on PC VR has spoiled me. Yeah I'm looking forward to see next gen graphics but being in VR takes it to a whole new level of being mind blown by tech looking at a tv or monitor can't replicate being fully immersed into a game.

Next gen VR headsets will be at the forefront of graphics anyway. As soon as eye-tracked foveated rendering is utilized fully by developers, VR games will always look graphically better than flatscreen games.

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#109 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (29014 posts) -

Graphics whores.

What an empty life they must live.

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#110 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (29014 posts) -

@fileman3 said:

@Planeforger: a little bit better?

HZD, uncharted 4, Gears, RDR2 especially are miles above anything the ps3,360 had to offer . you don't agree????

And yet the gameplay has changed diddly squat. Yipee?

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#111 Posted by Pedro (34638 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

And yet the gameplay has changed diddly squat. Yipee?

What game has introduced new gameplay this gen?

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#112 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (29014 posts) -

@Pedro said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:

And yet the gameplay has changed diddly squat. Yipee?

What game has introduced new gameplay this gen?

You're only making me more depressed, bro.

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#113 Posted by Pedro (34638 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

You're only making me more depressed, bro.

Well, for what its worth games can still be great even without new gameplay.

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#114 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (29014 posts) -

@Pedro said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:

You're only making me more depressed, bro.

Well, for what its worth games can still be great even without new gameplay.

True, a few indies had funky gameplay ideas. Tumbleseed and wandersong had weird gameplay ideas.

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#115 Posted by emgesp (7830 posts) -
@Diddies said:

@emgesp: no opinion there. It is factually correct that those games look better than any PS exclusive. You realize I have both right? When you have a top tier PC and a Pro then you can make the argument.

Again, that is your personal opinion based on your subjective tastes.

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#116 Posted by emgesp (7830 posts) -
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@fileman3 said:

@Planeforger: a little bit better?

HZD, uncharted 4, Gears, RDR2 especially are miles above anything the ps3,360 had to offer . you don't agree????

And yet the gameplay has changed diddly squat. Yipee?

Well that is just straight up false. RDR2 plays much better than the original RDR.

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#117 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (29014 posts) -

@emgesp said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@fileman3 said:

@Planeforger: a little bit better?

HZD, uncharted 4, Gears, RDR2 especially are miles above anything the ps3,360 had to offer . you don't agree????

And yet the gameplay has changed diddly squat. Yipee?

Well that is just straight up false. RDR2 plays much better than the original RDR.

RDR2 has classic terrible rockstar control, gameplay, and mission design. I fail to see what's improved. GTAV is a better comparison I think.

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#118 Posted by Diddies (2398 posts) -

@emgesp: that is not an opinion. That is like saying games in the 80s look better than today graphically. There is no opinion there, it is someone who just says something stupid. The Pro can’t compete with PC

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#119 Posted by emgesp (7830 posts) -
@Diddies said:

@emgesp: that is not an opinion. That is like saying games in the 80s look better than today graphically. There is no opinion there, it is someone who just says something stupid. The Pro can’t compete with PC

Again, we've seen plenty of PS4 exclusives get hailed for their graphical fidelity. You can prefer those older PC games, but again this is just your opinion. If PS4 games looked dated to much older PC games then you wouldn't have so many people talk about how amazing these PS4/Pro titles looked.

I don't even have to talk about exclusives as I think a game like RDR2 is far more impressive than majority of PC exclusives either recent or released years ago.

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#120 Posted by Diddies (2398 posts) -

@emgesp: you are correct that some PS4 games look good but they look good for consoles. But again, you don’t have a high end PC to see the difference so your opinion is actually wrong because you have not viewed games on PC. Your opinion doesn’t matter when it is one sided because you have only experienced one side of it. Ask someone who has a high end PC and a Pro (such as myself) and it is night and day difference.

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#121 Posted by emgesp (7830 posts) -
@Diddies said:

@emgesp: you are correct that some PS4 games look good but they look good for consoles. But again, you don’t have a high end PC to see the difference so your opinion is actually wrong because you have not viewed games on PC. Your opinion doesn’t matter when it is one sided because you have only experienced one side of it. Ask someone who has a high end PC and a Pro (such as myself) and it is night and day difference.

Who said I didn't have access to a high end PC? I didn't say that.

PC runs multiplats with better performance/resolution, but PC exclusives do not look night and day better than the top console exclusives. I honestly don't see any PC exclusives that impress me as much PS4 exclusives on a visual level. Squadron 42 isn't going to be released until 2020.

Metro Exodus on PS4 Pro or XB1X impresses me more than Metro 2033 running on a high end PC.

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#122 Posted by Diddies (2398 posts) -

@emgesp: if you are making such dumb accusations then I am saying you don’t have a high end PC. And I am not talking of PC exclusives. I have saying that some PC multiplats look better than anything console has to offer.

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#123 Edited by PinkRibbonScars (59 posts) -
@Diddies said:

@emgesp: if you are making such dumb accusations then I am saying you don’t have a high end PC. And I am not talking of PC exclusives. I have saying that some PC multiplats look better than anything console has to offer.

If I wanted to play multiplats in 4k I'd just buy an Xbox One X.

The only reason to upgrade your PC in the last 5 years is to play multiplats in 4k. It has no technically impressive exclusives.

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#124 Edited by emgesp (7830 posts) -
@Diddies said:

@emgesp: if you are making such dumb accusations then I am saying you don’t have a high end PC. And I am not talking of PC exclusives. I have saying that some PC multiplats look better than anything console has to offer.

You literally said I've never experienced PC games running on a high end PC and that is simply false. You are making assumptions based on no evidence.

And I simply don't agree with you. What you are saying is just your personal opinion, and like I said that is your right.

Here's the so called PC I don't have access to.

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#125 Edited by ronvalencia (27884 posts) -

@pc_rocks said:

Yup, pretty easy. Minor graphical advancements with native 4K.

Increase VRAM storage and SSD enables better artwork to be used.

Improvements with Zen v2 CPU by 4X at the same clock speed enables game-world simulation to significantly scale e.g. Ashes of Singularity NPC count or MMORPG style world gameworld engine to be run locally on a game console.

At 1.6 Ghz, game world designed for 55 GFLOPS FP64/110 GFLOPS FP32/220 GFLOPS FP16 CPU at 30/60 hz refresh rates vs game world designed for 220 GFLOPS FP64/440 GFLOPS FP32/880 GFLOPS FP16 CPU at 30/60 hz refresh rates.

Proper 64bit CPU math is needed to exceed 32bit CPU math's 4 billion dots game world sandbox.

PS4 CPU doubles 64bit math capability over PS3 CELL.

Intel AVX technology enables 64bit FP pack math in SIMD processing.

There's a reason why game servers are dominated by Intel's Xeon (Core i series generation) CPUs and AMD's Zen CPU is a clone of it.

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#126 Posted by Pedro (34638 posts) -

@emgesp: We are rocking the same heatsink.

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#127 Edited by Diddies (2398 posts) -

@pinkribbonscars: there is not console to play 4K on.

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#128 Edited by mrbojangles25 (43981 posts) -

@knight-k said:

Photogrammetry and better AI is what I want to see next gen.

This could be the first gen where near, real life graphcis could be achieved. If character models could reach the next level that is...

I think we will be there sooner than we think.

I still find this video impressive. It's a little over-the-top as far as the whole Shakespeare thing, but bonus points for Andy Serkis. The woman at the end looks especially impressive.

Also worth nothing this video has been around for some time, so I wager there have been improvements. You can obviously tell they are not real, but it's pretty damn close.

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#129 Posted by emgesp (7830 posts) -
@Pedro said:

@emgesp: We are rocking the same heatsink.

Actually its my Brothers setup but he literally lives 5 minutes away from me. He also has this rad Oculus setup. I think PC gaming is really cool, but I just can't justify the cost over a home console, plus none of the PC exclusives really interested me.

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#130 Posted by DoomNukem3D (198 posts) -

@Diddies: Saying that games looked better in the 80s isnt factually incorrect. It would be factually incorrect to call them more advanced.

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#131 Edited by emgesp (7830 posts) -
@Diddies said:

@pinkribbonscars: there is not console to play 4K on.

What are you talking about? XB1X plays lots of games in Native 4K. There are even some PS4 Pro titles in Native 4K as well, but much less than XB1X.

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#132 Posted by fileman3 (333 posts) -

All i know is red dead redemption 3 on next gen consoles with the same amount of time of care that rdr2 got would look absolutely mind blowing and that's why I'm so excited lol

Could care less about the consloe vs PC talk you guys are talking about lol at some point in the next 20 years platforms won't matter because most games would look photorealistic regardless of platform lol

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#133 Posted by netracing (144 posts) -
@fileman3 said:

All i know is red dead redemption 3 on next gen consoles with the same amount of time of care that rdr2 got would look absolutely mind blowing and that's why I'm so excited lol

Could care less about the consloe vs PC talk you guys are talking about lol at some point in the next 20 years platforms won't matter because most games would look photorealistic regardless of platform lol

let the plebs fight it out amongst eachother with who's parents bought the right console for them and who's did not while the real gamers in here sit back and laugh knowing they'll have whatever tickles their fancy come next gen (and likely already have a good gaming PC).