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Uhm.... The Wii U is not more of the Wii, Tablet Controller remember ? I'd say the new direction was just a miss for all the soccer moms, especially at $400.
Yeah, it is. Underpowered, wacky controller, more 2D Mario and minigames and Smash and Mario Kart and 3rd party consisting of last gen ports, if even those.
No one is buying the Wii U because it offers nothing of value compared the "competition" they decided to avoid.
It offers Mario games.....
The value of Mario isn't what it used to be.
Ok then why does Nintendo keep making them over and over again?
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
If they don't use them may as well not exist. I think Metroid was my favorite Nintendo IP and it gets 3rd rate treatment now.
MS and Sony are going to compete with PC full on. They have serious trouble ahead. In that sense it may have been the smart thing to do.
@Jag85: *waits for the "they don't sell" reply*
The recent reboots of Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem sold very well, better than expected. I think Nintendo should try doing some more rebooting once in a while.
No one is buying the Wii U because it offers nothing of value compared the "competition" they decided to avoid.
It offers Mario games.....
The value of Mario isn't what it used to be.
Ok then why does Nintendo keep making them over and over again?
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
If they don't use them may as well not exist. I think Metroid was my favorite Nintendo IP and it gets 3rd rate treatment now.
Let's hope Retro Studios finally gets around to making a new Metroid Prime game...
Their biggest miscalculation was not realizing that casuals were never going to flock to the wii u like they did the wii because they already have a wii and never play it to begin with. Why would they get a new console? The result is that only Nintendo fans bought the wii u. Core gamers who aren't nintendo fans neglected it because it wasn't nextgen enough and doesn't have full third part support and the casuals like I said already have a wii that they don't ever use. Why get another one? Once the novelty of the wii faded Nintendo should have realized that they lost the casuals attention and refocused on the core gamer.
What nintendo should have done if they wanted to appeal to casuals was go Microsoft's route. The Xbone is what the wii u should have been. Powerful enough to be a capable nextgen gaming machine but still a lot of casual features that will appeal to people aren't just gamers.
@clr84651: did we just become best friends? Tickle fight!!!!!!
@outworld222: If that was their strategy with the 3DS, Mission Accomplished. If that was their strategy with the Wii U, FAIL.
I just want to say that you must be pretty blind to not know that Nintendo was in fact Competing with the WiiU.
These were the Games Available to you at launch if you bought a WiiU.
Games for that "Hardcore" Crowd
Games aimed for Kids
Games for Casuals
Downloads
Look at that! The "Hardcore" Category has 12 games in it! You can argue all you want on these categories, but I've labeled them as I see them. The WiiU was well made for the "Hardcore" Market.
What Happened? Nintendo didn't market to the Hardcore market through commercials. They showed off the Wrong games. They showed off Sing Party!, New Super Mario Bros. U, Nintendo Land and a game that wasn't going to be hitting Stores till later that following Spring! had they put more emphasis on Call of Duty Black Ops II with the neat Split Screen option where each player has their own screen that could have been a selling point! or maybe put more advertisement on Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge! wasn't that funded by Nintendo? at least they published it!
Then again maybe Nintendo thought the "Hardcore" already knew about the WiiU and the games for them, after all that Advertising they did Online, with the Directs and The Press Conferences. Did you all forget about that Conference they had where Bayonetta 2 was unveiled?
Nintendo was aiming for the "Hardcore" Crowd. The Xbox 360 and PS3 Crowd.
What Happened? You can say that Nintendo happened, and most of all......YOU happened.
You didn't buy into Nintendo's Sale's Pitch. You didn't like the Console they made. You didn't even want the games they gave out, simply because they're available else where.
Would this have been avoided if Nintendo made a more capable console? Maybe or Maybe not, who knows? But from what it stands is that Nintendo made a console and made sure there were games for everyone especially for that "Hardcore" Crowd and No one bought into it and Nintendo is now paying the price.
That's that.
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
If they don't use them may as well not exist. I think Metroid was my favorite Nintendo IP and it gets 3rd rate treatment now.
Let's hope Retro Studios finally gets around to making a new Metroid Prime game...
Can't they stay away from that franchise for a while? They only had one Donkey Kong game prior to Tropical Freeze and had their hand in Mario Kart 7. They already have three Metroid games, it's best they don't become the central factory for that IP.
Yes because getting outsold nearly 7:1 by the PS4 and 3:1 By the Xbox One is good.
Nintendo should have made Contra a FPS to rival Halo and KZ.
Contra doesn't belong to Nintendo.
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
If they don't use them may as well not exist. I think Metroid was my favorite Nintendo IP and it gets 3rd rate treatment now.
Let's hope Retro Studios finally gets around to making a new Metroid Prime game...
Can't they stay away from that franchise for a while? They only had one Donkey Kong game prior to returns and had their hand in Mario Kart 7. They already have three Metroid games, it's best they don't become the central factory for that IP.
Nintendo tried handing Metroid over to Team Ninja, and that didn't work out too well. The best thing for the franchise would either be to hand it back to Retro Studios to make another Prime game, or give it to one of their internal Japanese teams to take it back to its 2D Metroidvania roots,
If they don't use them may as well not exist. I think Metroid was my favorite Nintendo IP and it gets 3rd rate treatment now.
Let's hope Retro Studios finally gets around to making a new Metroid Prime game...
Can't they stay away from that franchise for a while? They only had one Donkey Kong game prior to returns and had their hand in Mario Kart 7. They already have three Metroid games, it's best they don't become the central factory for that IP.
Nintendo tried handing Metroid over to Team Ninja, and that didn't work out too well. The best thing for the franchise would either be to hand it back to Retro Studios to make another Prime game, or give it to one of their internal Japanese teams to take it back to its 2D Metroidvania roots,
I'm fine just giving it to another Japanese internal team or someone like Next Level. Just not Retro, let them expand more.
I just want to say that you must be pretty blind to not know that Nintendo was in fact Competing with the WiiU.
These were the Games Available to you at launch if you bought a WiiU.
Games for that "Hardcore" Crowd
These games suck and we played most of them years ago on superior systems. Your "point" is pointless.
Nintendo is so smart they outsmarted themselves out of their market share. If they were smart they would still support the wii. Then made the wii u 350 bucks with weak hardware and no games. By the time they got games and dropped the price the ps4 and x1 dropped.
At this point it looks like the wii u is going to be in 3rd place by alot.
Nintendo "outsmarted the competition by not competing" in the same way I won gold at the Olympics by watching it on TV.
Mario kinda reminds me Roger in that American Dad episode...
No one is buying the Wii U because it offers nothing of value compared the "competition" they decided to avoid.
It offers Mario games.....
The value of Mario isn't what it used to be.
Ok then why does Nintendo keep making them over and over again?
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
Nintendo's current IP's are losing steam. They need more than Mario and Zelda games if they want the Wii U to succeed.
No one is buying the Wii U because it offers nothing of value compared the "competition" they decided to avoid.
It offers Mario games.....
The value of Mario isn't what it used to be.
Ok then why does Nintendo keep making them over and over again?
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
Nintendo's current IP's are losing steam. They need more than Mario and Zelda games if they want the Wii U to succeed.
And like I already said, Nintendo has far more IP's than just Mario and Zelda. They just need to make good use of the many IP's that they already have (both old and current), and that's what they've been doing on the 3DS. If they just did the same for the Wii U, it would help a lot.
You know about Nintendo CEO's famous phrase about not competing directly against Sony and Microsoft.
Well I just feel that while Sony and Microsoft do make more bang for the buck, Nintendo always has a way of coming into the positive side of things cash wise in the end. Sure, it's a meager way to make a living, but at the end they don't have wild fluctuations like Sony and Microsoft.
Do I have the right to feel this way? Or am I wrong or missing some info I overlooked??
Thing is, Nintendo was competing at first with the Wii U. Then, when things started to go south due to their own administrative incompetency, the narrative changed. It doesn't matter what the competition excuse is at this point. Wii U isn't designed to blaze its own path as Wii did in 2006. Wii had an extremely easy interface, it had a good ad campaign, it had strong launch titles, and it was obvious that it was a new system with its weird name that generated so many lame jokes.
Nintendo tried to compete this time out of the gate, but they didn't do it with all the right methods and it bit them in the ass.
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
If they don't use them may as well not exist. I think Metroid was my favorite Nintendo IP and it gets 3rd rate treatment now.
Let's hope Retro Studios finally gets around to making a new Metroid Prime game...
Can't they stay away from that franchise for a while? They only had one Donkey Kong game prior to returns and had their hand in Mario Kart 7. They already have three Metroid games, it's best they don't become the central factory for that IP.
Nintendo tried handing Metroid over to Team Ninja, and that didn't work out too well. The best thing for the franchise would either be to hand it back to Retro Studios to make another Prime game, or give it to one of their internal Japanese teams to take it back to its 2D Metroidvania roots,
I'd almost prefer a 3DS Metroid at this point, as much as I enjoyed the Prime games Metroid has always kind of been about precise plaforming. 3DS would be cheaper to develop as well, so I'd think it'd be something Nintendo would be more apt to do. They're not going to invest much into the U at this point, it'd be wasted money.
I just want to say that you must be pretty blind to not know that Nintendo was in fact Competing with the WiiU.
These were the Games Available to you at launch if you bought a WiiU.
Games for that "Hardcore" Crowd
These games suck and we played most of them years ago on superior systems. Your "point" is pointless.
This is the crappiest Argument I have ever seen.
While most of those are better on the other consoles, they're also not flat out terrible on WiiU and they also appeal to that "hardcore" crowd. Also If I remember correctly at the time of release, Ninja Gaiden 3 on WiiU was the better version of the game.
And Assassin's Creed III was actually a really well done port of the game for WiiU. It didn't matter if you got this version over a PS3 or 360 version.
And ZombiU only appeals to Nintendo fans? What is this? Did you forget about all of the other Zombie Games out on the PS3 and 360? Isn't Dying Light one of the more hyped up PS4 and Xbox One games?
And down playing Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is a really shame. The Fighting Game community is LARGE and Tekken is one of the more played games of all fighting games and this version has more in it than the other 2 do.
Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper may not be your cup of tea, but I've seen games like this all over the 360 and PS3 library (especially the PS3 if you want weaboos you should be looking over there) and this game certainly isn't marketed to Casuals and it's not a kids game.
All you were doing in this post was reenforcing what I had stated previously.
You didn't care for Nintendo's newest System, you didn't want those games on Nintendo systems, you just simply did not want a WiiU or it's games, and that was my point.
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
If they don't use them may as well not exist. I think Metroid was my favorite Nintendo IP and it gets 3rd rate treatment now.
Let's hope Retro Studios finally gets around to making a new Metroid Prime game...
Can't they stay away from that franchise for a while? They only had one Donkey Kong game prior to returns and had their hand in Mario Kart 7. They already have three Metroid games, it's best they don't become the central factory for that IP.
Nintendo tried handing Metroid over to Team Ninja, and that didn't work out too well. The best thing for the franchise would either be to hand it back to Retro Studios to make another Prime game, or give it to one of their internal Japanese teams to take it back to its 2D Metroidvania roots,
I'd almost prefer a 3DS Metroid at this point, as much as I enjoyed the Prime games Metroid has always kind of been about precise plaforming. 3DS would be cheaper to develop as well, so I'd think it'd be something Nintendo would be more apt to do. They're not going to invest much into the U at this point, it'd be wasted money.
So one year in it's time to start giving Wii U just rehashes and try anything risky. I know to continue avoiding Nintendo hardware,
What else are they going to make? When is the last time Nintendo made a new IP that was really successful(not count any crap that starts with Wii like Wii Sports/Fit etc)?
Nintendo has more IP's than both Sony and Microsoft combined. They don't really need to create new IP's... All they need to do is go through their back catalogue and start reviving dormant IP's.
If they don't use them may as well not exist. I think Metroid was my favorite Nintendo IP and it gets 3rd rate treatment now.
Let's hope Retro Studios finally gets around to making a new Metroid Prime game...
Can't they stay away from that franchise for a while? They only had one Donkey Kong game prior to returns and had their hand in Mario Kart 7. They already have three Metroid games, it's best they don't become the central factory for that IP.
Nintendo tried handing Metroid over to Team Ninja, and that didn't work out too well. The best thing for the franchise would either be to hand it back to Retro Studios to make another Prime game, or give it to one of their internal Japanese teams to take it back to its 2D Metroidvania roots,
I'd almost prefer a 3DS Metroid at this point, as much as I enjoyed the Prime games Metroid has always kind of been about precise plaforming. 3DS would be cheaper to develop as well, so I'd think it'd be something Nintendo would be more apt to do. They're not going to invest much into the U at this point, it'd be wasted money.
So one year in it's time to start giving Wii U just rehashes and try anything risky. I know to continue avoiding Nintendo hardware,
"Risk" and "Nintendo" really haven't gone together in a long time.
You know about Nintendo CEO's famous phrase about not competing directly against Sony and Microsoft.
Well I just feel that while Sony and Microsoft do make more bang for the buck, Nintendo always has a way of coming into the positive side of things cash wise in the end. Sure, it's a meager way to make a living, but at the end they don't have wild fluctuations like Sony and Microsoft.
Do I have the right to feel this way? Or am I wrong or missing some info I overlooked??
Thing is, Nintendo was competing at first with the Wii U. Then, when things started to go south due to their own administrative incompetency, the narrative changed. It doesn't matter what the competition excuse is at this point. Wii U isn't designed to blaze its own path as Wii did in 2006. Wii had an extremely easy interface, it had a good ad campaign, it had strong launch titles, and it was obvious that it was a new system with its weird name that generated so many lame jokes.
Nintendo tried to compete this time out of the gate, but they didn't do it with all the right methods and it bit them in the ass.
That, and the hardcore never cared for the Wii U to begin with. As seen in... that controversy over that one game only two months before the damn console even released.
I just want to say that you must be pretty blind to not know that Nintendo was in fact Competing with the WiiU.
These were the Games Available to you at launch if you bought a WiiU.
Games for that "Hardcore" Crowd
These games suck and we played most of them years ago on superior systems. Your "point" is pointless.
This is the crappiest Argument I have ever seen.
While most of those are better on the other consoles, they're also not flat out terrible on WiiU and they also appeal to that "hardcore" crowd. Also If I remember correctly at the time of release, Ninja Gaiden 3 on WiiU was the better version of the game.
And Assassin's Creed III was actually a really well done port of the game for WiiU. It didn't matter if you got this version over a PS3 or 360 version.
And ZombiU only appeals to Nintendo fans? What is this? Did you forget about all of the other Zombie Games out on the PS3 and 360? Isn't Dying Light one of the more hyped up PS4 and Xbox One games?
And down playing Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is a really shame. The Fighting Game community is LARGE and Tekken is one of the more played games of all fighting games and this version has more in it than the other 2 do.
Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper may not be your cup of tea, but I've seen games like this all over the 360 and PS3 library (especially the PS3 if you want weaboos you should be looking over there) and this game certainly isn't marketed to Casuals and it's not a kids game.
All you were doing in this post was reenforcing what I had stated previously.
You didn't care for Nintendo's newest System, you didn't want those games on Nintendo systems, you just simply did not want a WiiU or it's games, and that was my point.
Besides Ninja Gaiden 3, the Wii U version of Arkham City also had some extras that weren't in the other console versions.
But yeah, it does seem like so-called 'hardcore' gamers weren't going to give the Wii U a chance to begin with. Like nintendoboy16 was (I think) alluding to above, the outrage over Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive couldn't make this anymore obvious.
It's a bit like the Dreamcast situation, where, because of Sega's previous failure with the Saturn, gamers decided not to give the Dreamcast a chance at all, regardless of how many quality exclusives it had. I know, because I was one of those gamers (I didn't give the Dreamcast a chance until after its demise).
Nintendo tried handing Metroid over to Team Ninja, and that didn't work out too well. The best thing for the franchise would either be to hand it back to Retro Studios to make another Prime game, or give it to one of their internal Japanese teams to take it back to its 2D Metroidvania roots,
I'd almost prefer a 3DS Metroid at this point, as much as I enjoyed the Prime games Metroid has always kind of been about precise plaforming. 3DS would be cheaper to develop as well, so I'd think it'd be something Nintendo would be more apt to do. They're not going to invest much into the U at this point, it'd be wasted money.
So one year in it's time to start giving Wii U just rehashes and try anything risky. I know to continue avoiding Nintendo hardware,
"Risk" and "Nintendo" really haven't gone together in a long time.
The Wii U's tablet controller was a very risky move.
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