Happy worst N7 day in history....

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#1  Edited By TheEroica  Moderator
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2019/11/07/mass-effects-n7-day-now-feels-like-a-dead-friends-birthday/#374ef2e64e8c

Well, it's November 7th... A day I'd once wear my Garrus jacket or my sheapard swag... Now it's just a dead friends birthday memorial. Thanks Forbes, for putting it so perfectly.

Has any franchise ever fallen so fast and with such depth as the mismanagement of the mass effect franchise? Has a developer ever left more money on the table by simply not knowing how to make a quality game in a big franchise the way EA/Bioware have? Do the two doctors who created Bioware make headlines for throwing themselves off a tall mountain on n7 day?

So how is your N7 Day going? Do you have any solutions to save Mass Effect?

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#2 djoffer
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The BioWare we loved is long dead and buried... and unfortunately so is mass effect! Have zero faith in ea or BioWare.

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#3  Edited By BassMan
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I love your upbeat optimism. LOL

But yeah.... EA fucked it up big time. They have a potentially huge cash cow in Mass Effect. The problem is... they don't know how to milk it.

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#4  Edited By speedfreak48t5p
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Wait until Tc finds out about Fallout 76 and Bethesda. Lol

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#5 TheEroica  Moderator
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@speedfreak48t5p: fallout 76 looked pretty awful from the get go. Like Bethesda wanted the player to just make Chocolate cake from diarrhea.

I have no problem with fallout 4 however. It isn't a huge improvement over fallout 3, but I spent a lot of time in the commonwealth and I genuinely enjoyed it.

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#6 nepu7supastar7
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@TheEroica:

Playing Mass Effect 3 as of now. So it's going good. Unlike other folks, I was just happy to have a brand, new Mass Effect on ps4/Xbox One. I actually kinda enjoyed it.

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Even if they produce an objectively good game with Dragon Age 4, that brand name was whore'd into oblivion. If they had any sense they would (all) have followed Obsidian and went to Kickstarter a long time ago when their name was commanding.

Tom Clancy has a similar problem, back in the 90's if you wanted an intellectually stimulating game with a slower paced focus on realism, that was the brand to go for.

Means nothing now. Whatever is hot in the moment Ubisoft will chase. Even though Blacklist was an objectively good game that backtracked, Conviction and Ubisoft bullshit that they weren't willing to give it a chance.

Seeing the same with Ghost Recon now. The corporate grip has mutated it's original intent into the gaming equivalent of The Elephant man.

Mass Effect is best left laying on a bed while Adagio For Strings plays, gurgling up saliva as it's deformed limp body can't take the metaphorical and literal burden it's future entails.

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#8 TheEroica  Moderator
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@uninspiredcup: sweet Jesus... The reapers won. I just didn't realize their plan was to indoctrinate Bioware themselves...

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#9 nepu7supastar7
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@uninspiredcup:

Maybe Bioware should follow Square Enix's lead and completely remake the Mass Effect trilogy. 🤔

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#10  Edited By watercrack445
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Bioware is just a zombie at this point. Just put it out of its misery already but EA is evil they are never going to do that.

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I still remember Andromeda’s actual Third person combat being well implemented. That’s all I can say positive. Characters, story, races were all absolutely useless.

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Maybe they should bring In Anna Sarsleezin for some more consulting work.

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#13 Juub1990
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@TheEroica said:

@speedfreak48t5p: fallout 76 looked pretty awful from the get go. Like Bethesda wanted the player to just make Chocolate cake from diarrhea.

I have no problem with fallout 4 however. It isn't a huge improvement over fallout 3, but I spent a lot of time in the commonwealth and I genuinely enjoyed it.

By "it isn't a huge improvement" you mean it's worse in pretty much everything?

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#14 getyeryayasout
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I feel the same way, but for pretty much the entire AAA space.

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#15 DaVillain-  Moderator
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@TheEroica: Anthem is celebrating N7 with Javis Mass Effect skins since that game is made by Bioware.

Also, I love Andromeda ;)

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@r-gamer said:

Maybe they should bring In Anna Sarsleezin for some more consulting work.

Politics was the least of that game's problems. Andromeda was an unfinished buggy mess, and it's not hard to figure out why. They had three lead directors in as many years, and it was the same situation even at lower level positions. People were jumping ship left and right. The whole team was overworked as huge chunks of game were scrapped and redone. You can have the most talented team in the world, but it wont mean dick if the project is mismanaged so bad.

And really, a decent writer could take advice from Anita Sarkeezian and still make a good story.

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#17 Howmakewood
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@judaspete: Didn't help that Andromeda was that studios first game, their previous work was ME3 dlc

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They need a soft reboot at this point. Forget Andromeda, because it fell flat on it's face... Hearken back to the originals and build something from there.

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#19 DaVillain-  Moderator
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@lundy86_4: I heard Casey Hudson was back in town, he did said he like to get back into working a new Mass Effect but this was after Andromeda flop but then again, if their new upcoming Dragon Age doesn't do well, then it's possible EA could shut Bioware down for good.

And at this point, after what they did to Anthem, I have no faith Dragon Age will be a hit this time around.

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@davillain-: Yeah, they mishandled Anthem something fierce. Just a botch job. I think DA might be their one saving grace, but they'd need to tick all the boxes at this point.

True shame, as I enjoyed Andromeda for what it was... Far from stellar, but another jaunt in the ME universe.

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@TheEroica: glad I'm not the only one that reads the Forbes gaming articles. It is surprisingly good most of the time. At the very least it is real journalism.

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@judaspete: Why would you waste a penny of resources dealing with Anita Sarkeezian especially if your struggling on so many other areas? They had their priorities screwed and they paid the price.

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#23  Edited By nepu7supastar7
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@Juub1990:

"By "it isn't a huge improvement" you mean it's worse in pretty much everything?"

I don't see how Fallout 4 did anything worse than 3. The combat in 4 was the same, storytelling was better, you can actually build things, power armor actually felt like something different, and it looked noticeably better. Fallout 4 is objectively better than 3.

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#24 HitmanActual
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Anthem has N7 themed armour for each Javelin, plus a Shepard dance emote...so there's that 0_o

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#25 Juub1990
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@nepu7supastar7: "Objectively better". Someone didn’t look up the dictionary before using complicated words.

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#26 I_P_Daily  Online
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@TheEroica: I've played all the ME games (except for Andromeda but I own it) and I liked the games, is it wrong for me not to know what N7 is?

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@getyeryayasout said:

I feel the same way, but for pretty much the entire AAA space.

That is gaming these days.

Don't have a Garrus jacket, but i too was a ME fan. Very good story, unlike what Kojima writes. There was a time i rushed out to buy the newest ME or MGS game and enjoyed them. Now i never bought Andromeda and have no interest in the Death Stranding abomination.

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#28 HitmanActual
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@i_p_daily said:

@TheEroica: I've played all the ME games (except for Andromeda but I own it) and I liked the games, is it wrong for me not to know what N7 is?

It's just in game lore. N means Special Forces and 7 is the level of proficiency, with 7 being the highest.

So if you N7, you bonafied space game badass.

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#29 CTR360
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i love mass effect 1-3 i finish andromenda worst game this gen for me story exploration atmosphere side quests compact system all are garbage i hope bioware make the next game better

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DA is dead as well, 100% guareentee it will be filled with microtransactions and shoved in online shit. Personally they do not have a lot of choice regarding ME, either do a remake to bring back the fans or genuinely make a new trilogy which could be fantastic.

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#31 I_P_Daily  Online
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@hitmanactual said:
@i_p_daily said:

@TheEroica: I've played all the ME games (except for Andromeda but I own it) and I liked the games, is it wrong for me not to know what N7 is?

It's just in game lore. N means Special Forces and 7 is the level of proficiency, with 7 being the highest.

So if you N7, you bonafied space game badass.

Thanks for the info. Even though I've played the first 3 games from start to finish and never took any notice of the story, I just enjoyed the playing them lol.

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#32 nepu7supastar7
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@Juub1990:

Objectively is used in contrast to subjectively, so if you say that something is objectively better it means that this is not just your opinion but that anybody who knew the facts would have to agree it was better.

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#33 TheEroica  Moderator
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@mrbojangles25: There really isn't a go to game journalism source that I find off putting based on who they are... You either write a good article or you write a bad article. Forbes does a pretty consistent job of raising questions in the industry. I like most of their stuff.

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#34 Juub1990
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@nepu7supastar7: And then go on to draw and "objective" conclusion based on a bunch of subjective aspects? Wonderful job you did there.

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#35 nepu7supastar7
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@Juub1990:

I'm just sayin' Fallout 4 IS pretty much all around better than 3. You can say you liked 3 more but it's pretty clear.

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#36 Juub1990
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@nepu7supastar7: And I’m saying you’re factually wrong. See how that works?

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#37 clone01
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I dunno, I liked ME 1-3.

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#38 TheEroica  Moderator
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@i_p_daily: Shepards soldier rank before becoming a specter for the galactic council. Bioware has celebrated November 7th as "N7 Day" and has always kinda acknowledged it the way star wars fans gas up May the 4th.

Sound like someone could use a nice remastered trilogy to go back through... ;)

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#39 TheEroica  Moderator
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@clone01: me too... So much. I like them as much as I like star wars. I just wish someone could give me more of it. Wtf?

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#40 TheEroica  Moderator
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@clone01: me too... So much. I like them as much as I like star wars. I just wish someone could give me more of it. Wtf?

Loved mass effect 3 by the way. Did the final showdown in London on insanity difficulty in one life. One of my favorite moments of the whole trilogy.

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Remember the woke politics they added to the Asari? An all female race with gender fluidity? Remember the awful animations? Remember the disappointment you felt when discovering they had made it to this whole new GALAXY and there was only one single race you would ally with? And no Quarians? Remember that? I try to forget. It was a ghastly disaster.