Halo Infinite graphics are not 'top-tier visuals' says insider

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#151  Edited By GoldenElementXL
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@Antwan3K: You’re misunderstanding my stance on “value.” It’s not irrelevant as far as the consumer is concerned. But in the grand scheme of the competition, it has very little to do with the outcome. We’ve seen the least “consumer friendly“ company come out on top time and time again. And that’s not just in video games. It’s across the board. Value minded consumers might weigh perceived value heavily, but most consumers don’t seem to even consider it. Brand name and recognition get most consumers to spend ridiculous amounts of money on inferior products. (Looking at you PS5)

And I like how you’ve pushed “competition is good” in your last few posts. It completely contrasts with your “they aren’t in competition with Nintendo and Sony” narrative from the past. Which one of your podcasts started pushing this new narrative recently? I know RDX has been on this competition is good kick lately, but you barely listen to them, right?

And if Xbox stays in 3rd for any long stretch of time, there’s gonna be major changes to things like Game Pass and XBL. Xbox isn’t a charity. They’re in this competition to make money. That’s what you don’t seem to understand. If they keep throwing things at the wall, and consumers don’t seem to be responding, investors and board members are going to demand changes. That’s where SW, competition and the industry all tie in together. The standings might not matter to you, but they sure as hell matter to Phil and Xbox.

What you’re proposing, Xbox staying in “3rd” and keeping up this value proposition going isn’t realistic. We already know there’s folks behind the scenes looking to raise prices and change the way the current services are structured. They‘ve been messy about letting things leak for years now. And what happens when they “value” is gone? Do you drop your Xbox fandom, or do you move the goalpost again?

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#152 SolidGame_basic
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I think an outsider could've told you that too.

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#153 Gifford38
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@Pedro said:
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for xbox to pay billions to 343 it should be the best looking game. sorry it just should. hellblade 2 doesn't even have half that budget but yet will look better.

flag ship games 99% are the best looking games in the industry.

no excuse for 343 for it not to be series x best looking game to date.

it should be on par with horizon forbid west or ratchet and clank or demon souls or miles ect.

What billions are you talking about?

Who made that rule that "flag ship" games supposed to be the best looking games in the industry?

Why does it need to be the best looking game to date/ever made?

Why should it look on par with Horizon Forbidden West or Ratchet and Clank or Demon's Souls or Miles Morales?

You are creating expectations that were never set and you are pretending that these expectations are industry standard.

who made the rule? it's always been this way. sony flag ship games look the best. nin flag ship games look the best on there system (zelda,mario ect.) xbox flag ship games always looked the best on the xbox and 360 that beat sony flag ship games when it came to graphics. those days are gone. you should look up how much xbox has given 343 already to make this game. look up the mess that 343 is in. flag ship games sell consoles. it should look as good as sony flag ship games. it can't even look as good as a ratchet and clank game for crying out loud. series x needs that eye popping game to compete.

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#154  Edited By Pedro
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@gifford38 said:

who made the rule? it's always been this way. sony flag ship games look the best. nin flag ship games look the best on there system (zelda,mario ect.) xbox flag ship games always looked the best on the xbox and 360 that beat sony flag ship games when it came to graphics. those days are gone. you should look up how much xbox has given 343 already to make this game. look up the mess that 343 is in. flag ship games sell consoles. it should look as good as sony flag ship games. it can't even look as good as a ratchet and clank game for crying out loud. series x needs that eye popping game to compete.

So, no rule, just something you made up. Also, no backing to your billions?

Xbox has games that are graphical showpieces and has always been graphical showpieces. Gears series is known for its top tier graphics. You have Hellblade 2 and Forza to be added to the list. Halo Infinite is NOT one of those games especially if it is aiming for open world 60-120FPS.

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#155  Edited By Antwan3K
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@Antwan3K: You’re misunderstanding my stance on “value.” It’s not irrelevant as far as the consumer is concerned. But in the grand scheme of the competition, it has very little to do with the outcome. We’ve seen the least “consumer friendly“ company come out on top time and time again. And that’s not just in video games. It’s across the board. Value minded consumers might weigh perceived value heavily, but most consumers don’t seem to even consider it. Brand name and recognition get most consumers to spend ridiculous amounts of money on inferior products. (Looking at you PS5)

And I like how you’ve pushed “competition is good” in your last few posts. It completely contrasts with your “they aren’t in competition with Nintendo and Sony” narrative from the past. Which one of your podcasts started pushing this new narrative recently? I know RDX has been on this competition is good kick lately, but you barely listen to them, right?

And if Xbox stays in 3rd for any long stretch of time, there’s gonna be major changes to things like Game Pass and XBL. Xbox isn’t a charity. They’re in this competition to make money. That’s what you don’t seem to understand. If they keep throwing things at the wall, and consumers don’t seem to be responding, investors and board members are going to demand changes. That’s where SW, competition and the industry all tie in together. The standings might not matter to you, but they sure as hell matter to Phil and Xbox.

What you’re proposing, Xbox staying in “3rd” and keeping up this value proposition going isn’t realistic. We already know there’s folks behind the scenes looking to raise prices and change the way the current services are structured. They‘ve been messy about letting things leak for years now. And what happens when they “value” is gone? Do you drop your Xbox fandom, or do you move the goalpost again?

and you seem to misunderstand that discussing the value a company provides to gamers versus another is a fair conversation.. period.. if Nintendo makes an anti-consumer move, it's up for discussion.. when Sony raised prices for their games to $70, it's up for discussion.. and when Game Pass is arguably representing the best deal in gaming, that's also up for discussion.. i don't have to come on this forum and only discuss what matters most to you (ie "revenue").. please get that through your impossibly thick skull..

these companies are no longer in direct competition from a strategy standpoint but they are all still gaming companies.. i really hope you aren't this dense.. You probably also think McDonald's in direct competition with Red Lobster because they both sell food..

gamers have a wide variety of choices now with "the big three" all incorporating different gaming strategies.. but ultimately, there's only so much money an individual can spend on this hobby which means there's still checks-and-balances to consider for any of these three.. so even though Sony and Nintendo have diverging strategies at this point from Microsoft, they are still "competing" for the mindshare and money of any given gamer.. I've openly said that in terms of a person only having $500 to spend and they are looking at an Xbox Series X|S or a PS5 on the shelf, they are indeed in competition for that sale.. but in terms of the traditional view of how the PS2 was competing with the original Xbox and GameCube?.. those days are over.. and if you don't know that, it's pretty sad at this point.. and it's pretty telling that you think the concept of "competition is good" originated on RDX.. you're a joke and your obsession with that podcast is strange to say the least..

let me make this crystal clear: Microsoft doesn't need you to buy a console to get you playing their newest games.. Sony does.. it's a fundamentally different strategy.. so comparing console sales, apples-to-apples, is increasingly meaningless.. moving forward, Microsoft's strategy is Game Pass subscriptions and Sony's strategy is console sales.. those two strategies are not in direct competition.. if you can't understand the difference there, you're just hopeless..

and "3rd place" doesn't mean Xbox isn't running a healthy business.. please spare us the "Xbox is doomed" talk.. Xbox just turned in their best quarter ever and they haven't released a single first party title yet.. i think they are doing just fine despite the success of Sony and Nintendo.. that's the part you don't seem to understand.. "3rd place" doesn't mean anything if your business is successful.. and again, Microsoft is a Trillion dollar company that's more committed to Xbox than ever before.. unless you actually think "Xbox is doomed", there is nothing to discuss here.. and creating a cloud based gaming service is Microsoft playing to their strengths and a strategy that actually has the chance of providing them an install base much larger than just sticking to consoles.. that's a much better strategy than continually going head-to-head in a console war with Sony that they can never win..

and to answer your last question: if the "value" is gone, i'll reevaluate.. it's not that big of a deal.. i like the idea of my gaming be shared across multiple devices with a single account with cross-saves.. i like the idea of getting brand new games for a single subscription fee.. i like the idea of being able to discover tons of games that i haven't played yet for that same subscription fee.. right now Xbox is providing that much better than the "competition".. until that changes, i'm good.. if that indeed changes, I'll take a look elsewhere.. is this concept really so complicated for you to grasp?..

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TL;DR:

Discussing value is a fair topic and is one of the many topics that can be discussed on this board..

Any gaming company is competing for your money but all three of these companies have different strategies.. Microsoft's strategy is Game Pass and Sony's strategy is console sales.. a software subscription service isn't directly competing against selling hardware..

Unless you think "Xbox is doomed", all the talk of "3rd place" doesn't matter.

If Xbox is no longer providing me the value i want in gaming, I can look elsewhere..

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@Antwan3K said:

it'll be up for debate again if rumors of Battlefield 6 coming to Game Pass are true..

Well that’s one less debate we have to worry about...

There’s only one place I even heard a mention that rumor, but you don’t like me bringing them up, so I won’t.

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@goldenelementxl said:
@Antwan3K said:

it'll be up for debate again if rumors of Battlefield 6 coming to Game Pass are true..

Well that’s one less debate we have to worry about...

There’s only one place I even heard a mention that rumor, but you don’t like me bringing them up, so I won’t.

The last 2 are on GP so it's not if it's when.

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#158  Edited By GoldenElementXL
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@gym_lion said:
@goldenelementxl said:
@Antwan3K said:

it'll be up for debate again if rumors of Battlefield 6 coming to Game Pass are true..

Well that’s one less debate we have to worry about...

There’s only one place I even heard a mention that rumor, but you don’t like me bringing them up, so I won’t.

The last 2 are on GP so it's not if it's when.

The game is a perfect fit for Game Pass. Online only with paid season passes and cosmetics. If BF isn’t on Game Pass day 1, it’s a mistake. And the fact they’re charging $70 has me even more skeptical. Or this could be another case of the last gen version being on Game Pass but not the next gen one. (Madden and NBA 2K)

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#159  Edited By Antwan3K
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@gym_lion said:
@goldenelementxl said:
@Antwan3K said:

it'll be up for debate again if rumors of Battlefield 6 coming to Game Pass are true..

Well that’s one less debate we have to worry about...

There’s only one place I even heard a mention that rumor, but you don’t like me bringing them up, so I won’t.

The last 2 are on GP so it's not if it's when.

Exactly.. Battlefield 6 will be coming to Game Pass due to EA Access regardless.. i'll play it whenever it drops in the service..

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#160  Edited By Antwan3K
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@goldenelementxl: apparently you only listen to one podcast.. 🤷‍♂️ i didn't hear it from there because I haven't listened to RDX recently..

all this started because you're their number one fan.. as stated at the beginning of this meltdown, noone mentions "Colt", "Dealer", or "RDX" here more than you.. and it seems noone listens to them as much as you either..

listen to whoever you want., i'm just stating facts..

btw, we haven't even seen E3 yet and you're making a call on Battlefield 6 already?.. lol wow.. did you forget how close to their launch the Game Pass announcements for Outriders and MLB: The Show were?.. I'm not saying the rumor is true, but seems pretty early to make a call on it either way..

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#161 PernicioEnigma
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Are they still aiming for 120FPS? You can't have the best graphics AND 120FPS...

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@PernicioEnigma said:

Are they still aiming for 120FPS? You can't have the best graphics AND 120FPS...

Not an excuse. 120fps will be in 1080p or possibly below, nor will it be a perfectly stable 120fps. Multiple games are already doing this and those games don't look fugly.

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@PernicioEnigma: 'Are they still aiming for 120FPS? You can't have the best graphics AND 120FPS'

On PC with my 3090 it will 😎

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@hardwenzen said:
@PernicioEnigma said:

Are they still aiming for 120FPS? You can't have the best graphics AND 120FPS...

Not an excuse. 120fps will be in 1080p or possibly below, nor will it be a perfectly stable 120fps. Multiple games are already doing this and those games don't look fugly.

What 120Hz games are you speaking of?

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@Pedro said:
@hardwenzen said:
@PernicioEnigma said:

Are they still aiming for 120FPS? You can't have the best graphics AND 120FPS...

Not an excuse. 120fps will be in 1080p or possibly below, nor will it be a perfectly stable 120fps. Multiple games are already doing this and those games don't look fugly.

What 120Hz games are you speaking of?

cod and dmc to name a few

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#166 Pedro
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@hardwenzen said:

cod and dmc to name a few

I didn't know those games were open world games. 🤷‍♀️

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#167 theAM0G
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@hardwenzen: 'cod and dmc to name a few'

Dirt 5 as well

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#168  Edited By hardwenzen  Online
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@Pedro said:
@hardwenzen said:

cod and dmc to name a few

I didn't know those games were open world games. 🤷‍♀️

I didn't know Infinite had 150 players like CoD does 🤷‍♀️

And Infinite is semi open world, not open world like an rpg would. Don't be surprised if the Warzone map is bigger than the whole of Halo Infinite lul

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#169 Pedro
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@hardwenzen said:

I didn't know Infinite had 150 players like CoD does 🤷‍♀️

And Infinite is semi open world, not open world like an rpg would. Don't be surprised if the Warzone map is bigger than the whole of Halo Infinite lul

343 revealed info about the multiplayer? Cool. Where can I read up on it?

What is a semi open world game?

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@Pedro said:
@hardwenzen said:

I didn't know Infinite had 150 players like CoD does 🤷‍♀️

And Infinite is semi open world, not open world like an rpg would. Don't be surprised if the Warzone map is bigger than the whole of Halo Infinite lul

343 revealed info about the multiplayer? Cool. Where can I read up on it?

What is a semi open world game?

Come on Mr Pedro, you can do better than that. Does 343i needs to write all the details on your forhead for you to believe them what's coming? The game is built for the original Xbone in mind. Stop expecting anything worthwhile lol. Oh and btw, the game doesn't even run in 120fps in said "open world", so you shouldn't even be bringing it up. And as far as i am aware, they haven't confirmed anywhere the amount of players that will be in the multiplayer, it might as well be another laughable 4v4 with a max of 8v8 in big team battle, while Warzone is 150 players.

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#171 Pedro
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@hardwenzen said:

Come on Mr Pedro, you can do better than that. Does 343i needs to write all the details on your forhead for you to believe them what's coming? The game is built for the original Xbone in mind. Stop expecting anything worthwhile lol. Oh and btw, the game doesn't even run in 120fps in said "open world", so you shouldn't even be bringing it up. And as far as i am aware, they haven't confirmed anywhere the amount of players that will be in the multiplayer, it might as well be another laughable 4v4 with a max of 8v8 in big team battle, while Warzone is 150 players.

Firstly, you can't read what is placed on your forehead. Try another analogy. With that said, it is safe to say no official information has been release and you are doing the usual.

Isn't the COD Warzone game you are referring to on the Xbox One?

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better than any ps5 game plus gameplay better also

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#173 simple-facts
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I'll be to busy enjoying the excellent gameplay at 120fps to worry about graphics,if the word on the street is it "looks good" then cushty.

I await the zoomed 200% 480 quality YouTube Twitter pics from fanboys 15 minutes after its shown on sunday

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#174 SecretPolice
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You can smell the bovine fear of Halo for miles. ;o

Stop stinking up the place will ya. lol :P