Halo Infinite Dev Troubles Reportedly Due to Heavy Outsourcing, TV Series Distraction

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#1  Edited By sakaiXx
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Hello, its xbox related. It is doom and gloom aka its boring. Reader's beware.

As reported by Wccftech and reliable Microsoft insider Brad Sams ,Halo Infinite Dev Troubles Reportedly Due to Heavy Outsourcing, TV Series Distraction.

tl:dr ver:

  • Large portion of Halo Infinite’s development has been outsourced, even more than with most AAA games, and not all the studios working on the game have been on the same page.
  • The collaborative nature of Halo Infinite’s development has led to a lot of friction and discord, which may have contributed to the game losing two creative directors (Tim Longo and Mary Olsen) in a single year.
  • apparently 343 management has been preoccupied with the upcoming Showtime Halo TV series.
  • There’s also said to be a disconnect between the Halo marketing and creative teams, with the former trying to keep the hype train rolling even as development threatened to derail. what the ****

This is all rumor for now, but Sams paints a pretty consistent and believable picture of 343 Industries as a studio beset with a chronic lack of focus. Here’s hoping they can rally and deliver the kind of Halo experience fans expect.

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Honestly, this is boring why is Xbox still in the game anymore. its like they are not even trying to be liked. Get your head in the game mate, sort this shit out and let's be competitive. Nurture that talent, let them have creative freedom instead of wasting money on a dead horse. We need Xbox competitive as PlayStation is at its absolute best when there is competition....

or Xbox can just die and Sega comes back. That works too.

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https://www.thurrott.com/games/239188/a-closer-look-at-halo-infinites-turbulent-journey

https://wccftech.com/halo-infinite-development-troubles-outsourcing-tv-series-distraction/

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#2  Edited By Sevenizz
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Didn’t some random cow already post this a few weeks ago?

‘or Xbox can just die and Sega comes back. That works too.’

Sega and their franchises are irrelevant in modern gaming. Careful what you wish for.

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#3 sakaiXx
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@Sevenizz: Did you enjoy Yakuza on Xbox, Seven? seems like the article was 15 hours ago. idk probably was old article reupload.

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#4 ProtossRushX
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IMO Phil Spencer should step down after the Halo Infinite Debacle.

He said Halo Infinite will look great and be an impressive launch title days before that event happened.

I already had called out Phil in previous post since he hasn't done much after being the head for 6 years.

In the post people said "just wait for the show". or "your scared of the halo infinite event"'

Folks the event happened...it was a disaster of epic proportions.

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#5 Sevenizz
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@sakaixx: ‘Did you enjoy Yakuza on Xbox, Seven?’

No clue what this is.

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#6 hardwenzen
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Those thinking that the delay will do some good for the game. Oh you will be so disappointed lol. This is Crackdown 3 all over again, except this time around its the flagship title from MS 🤣

How can you be this stupid, MS. You can f*ckup titles here and there, but you cannot, at any cost, f*ckup your biggest frachise you have. If you're a lem, you should be worried about all future release.

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#7 ProtossRushX
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@hardwenzen said:

Those thinking that the delay will do some good for the game. Oh you will be so disappointed lol. This is Crackdown 3 all over again, except this time around its the flagship title from MS 🤣

How can you be this stupid, MS. You can f*ckup titles here and there, but you cannot, at any cost, f*ckup your biggest frachise you have. If you're a lem, you should be worried about all future release.

The lems aren't worried the king lems like Pedro were asking "what's wrong" when we showed him screenshots of Craig.

We said it looks like shit and then he was like I don't see anything wrong with it etc. This whole were up against people not seeing anything wrong, people living in a bubble. It's gotta stop man.

343 with 500 million dollars and years of development time gave us this.

Insomniac games is gonna turn out Spiderman game in like 1 year that looks way better than halo at this point. 343 doesn't know what there doing why did they release a Craig screenshot? It didn't look good.

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@Sevenizz: come on, Yakuza 0 literally plastered on gamepass.

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Two things that jump to mind are the heavy outsourcing and friction between marketing and creatives.

343! was already infamous for relying too much in outsourcing, apparently they learned nothing from MCC.

But most important for me is the perpetual marketing issues. That some of the people responsible for the XOne launch are still in front of marketing, and they keep screwing up Xbox next gen in pretty much every event is mindbogglingly hilarious.

That being said, I'm still reasonable optimistic about this game.

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@ProtossRushX: And you should step down as king of the fake boys but looks like both of you are here to stay!

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#11 PC_Rocks
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I actually like it for two reasons:

1. Always disliked Halo

2. SW is fun because of that

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#12 R4gn4r0k
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Who is overseeing these studios? Phil?

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I predict it will get cancelled in near future with 343 shut down.

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@ghosts4ever said:

I predict it will get cancelled in near future with 343 shut down.

100% agree, cannot wait for the best gaming news in history.

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@Random_Matt said:
@ghosts4ever said:

I predict it will get cancelled in near future with 343 shut down.

100% agree, cannot wait for the best gaming news in history.

So casual4ever went from shilling Halo as a game made for PC to this, and Matt you are the worst fake hermit in history, just another cow in the closet.

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@i_p_daily said:
@Random_Matt said:
@ghosts4ever said:

I predict it will get cancelled in near future with 343 shut down.

100% agree, cannot wait for the best gaming news in history.

So casual4ever went from shilling Halo as a game made for PC to this, and Matt you are the worst fake hermit in history, just another cow in the closet.

They had chance and they blew it. i open my eyes when i see gameplay that looks kids game with cartoon villain.

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#17  Edited By SecretPolice
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As always, Halo, is the number one most talked about game in gaming history.

:P

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#18 Maroxad
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Were the outsourced work not well documented?

But yes, this is an issue with programming in general. Understanding your own code is fine, but someone else's code? That is gonna take a few moments.

@Sevenizz said:

Didn’t some random cow already post this a few weeks ago?

‘or Xbox can just die and Sega comes back. That works too.’

Sega and their franchises are irrelevant in modern gaming. Careful what you wish for.

That was about the outsourcing. This is about the issue caused by it.

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#19 I_P_Daily
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@ghosts4ever said:
@i_p_daily said:
@Random_Matt said:
@ghosts4ever said:

I predict it will get cancelled in near future with 343 shut down.

100% agree, cannot wait for the best gaming news in history.

So casual4ever went from shilling Halo as a game made for PC to this, and Matt you are the worst fake hermit in history, just another cow in the closet.

They had chance and they blew it. i open my eyes when i see gameplay that looks kids game with cartoon villain.

Flip flop, flip flop, flip flop.

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#20 DaVillain-  Moderator
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Honestly, all I want out of this new Halo is the gameplay to be fun and the graphics themselves are hardly a concern but that demo was trying way too hard to be another CE when it should be its own thing. The way things are going with 343, I would at least get a few Bungie employees as overseer councilors if that can help.

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#21 Ghosts4ever
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@davillain- said:

Honestly, all I want out of this new Halo is the gameplay to be fun and the graphics themselves are hardly a concern but that demo was trying way too hard to be another CE when it should be its own thing. The way things are going with 343, I would at least get a few Bungie employees as overseer councilors if that can help.

Halo CE doesnot have sprint and health regen. and also cartoon villain.

it doesn't try anything like CE.

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#22 Ant_17
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I know who caused the friction from marketing. That moron greenberg.

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#23 sheep99
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Stop looking for excuses for 343 there are just terrible developer, just what happens when you work for ms

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#24 deactivated-5f58f7bf5ecf3
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Bu....bu....but I was told by certain lems that Halo: Infinite was in perfectly fine shape, and that the game wasn't in trouble?

Lol. Seems like certain folks were dead wrong about that.

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#25  Edited By Sollet
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For all the wrongreasons lel.

@SecretPolice said:

As always, Halo, is the number one most talked about game in gaming history.

:P

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#26 SecretPolice
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From Master Chief himself...

lol :P

@Sollet said:

For all the wrongreasons lel.

@SecretPolice said:

As always, Halo, is the number one most talked about game in gaming history.

:P

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#27 sakaiXx
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The upcoming Halo show might actually helps with Halo Infinite hype. Seems like a good product.

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#28 St_Monica
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MS imposed the burden on 343i to make basically two triple A games (single/multi) at once from scratch (new engine, new assets) for 6 platforms (XBO, XBOX, SX, SS, xCloud, PC). Imagine how ridiculous the amount of work is. Some say 5 years is enough, but even experienced Sony studios take 6-7 years to make a single-player game.

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#29  Edited By Daredevils2k
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Well after seeing an Xbox 360 game being demoed as the next halo game, it’s easy for me to believe this rumor. Especially when halo inf being in development for the last 5 years and still looked so darn horrible

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I do feel sorry for MS, I do feel they are trying hard but all their efforts are usually in vain

They backpaddled on too many things, Thier whole strategy is basically abandoning the normal console model despite having " the most powerful console"

They can't have a break

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#31  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@2mrw said:

I do feel sorry for MS, I do feel they are trying hard but all their efforts are usually in vain

They backpaddled on too many things, Thier whole strategy is basically abandoning the normal console model despite having " the most powerful console"

They can't have a break

I feel like the normal console model doesn't exist and hasn't for a long time now. Nintendo's doing their thing with handhelds and a reliable stable of IP's, Sony have their own approach, consolidating their strengths as a media corporation, and MS is developing their take on the PC model.

The days of Sega Vs. Nintendo playground battles are gone, and that's ok.

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#32 BenjaminBanklin
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I knew this game was in trouble when it lost its creative director. But, there's a lot of finger pointing going around when it comes to this game, and there will continue to be after the fact. It may be time to find Halo a new home with a different studio under MS with better management, maybe?

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Very unfortunate if true. If it is then I just hope that they can right the ship and deliver a great game with Halo: Infinite.

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#34 SecretPolice
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@sancho_panzer said:
@2mrw said:

I do feel sorry for MS, I do feel they are trying hard but all their efforts are usually in vain

They backpaddled on too many things, Thier whole strategy is basically abandoning the normal console model despite having " the most powerful console"

They can't have a break

I feel like the normal console model doesn't exist and hasn't for a long time now. Nintendo's doing their thing with handhelds and a reliable stable of IP's, Sony have their own approach, consolidating their strengths as a media corporation, and MS is developing their take on the PC model.

The days of Sega Vs. Nintendo playground battles are gone, and that's ok.

I was going to respond to your post here then saw I had a alert, went to it and it was from that other thread and my alt pic. lol

Anywho, what I was about to post to you here was...

:D

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#35 sakaiXx
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@BenjaminBanklin: microsoft could try to move halo to the initiative. Heard they recruiting top talents based in Santa Monica like from Naughty Dogs and Sony Santa Monica.

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#36 mave198
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And the filthy lemmings were believing Greenberg with his "it's because of Covid", "it's a early build" and best of all "It'll look better come launch" excuses.

Halo🤣🤣🤣🤣

TLHBO

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#37 kingtito
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@mave198 said:

And the filthy lemmings were believing Greenberg with his "it's because of Covid", "it's a early build" and best of all "It'll look better come launch" excuses.

Halo🤣🤣🤣🤣

TLHBO

Me thinks you take SWs way to serious kiddo. Might want to relax and go outside even if it's your own backyard.

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#38  Edited By Phlop_Spencer
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Garbage developer + MS is the worst combination I could think of.

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#39 Phlop_Spencer
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@kingtito said:
@mave198 said:

And the filthy lemmings were believing Greenberg with his "it's because of Covid", "it's a early build" and best of all "It'll look better come launch" excuses.

Halo🤣🤣🤣🤣

TLHBO

Me thinks you take SWs way to serious kiddo. Might want to relax and go outside even if it's your own backyard.

“Who’s alt is this?”

”don’t take sw so seriously”

”cows are obsessed with Xbox!”

always the same lines from you xbots with 10k+ posts on here. Lems are the most pathetic fanbase by far

TLHBO

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#40 kingtito
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@phlop_spencer said:
@kingtito said:

“Who’s alt is this?”

”don’t take sw so seriously”

”cows are obsessed with Xbox!”

always the same lines from you xbots with 10k+ posts on here. Lems are the most pathetic fanbase by far

TLHBO

Says the cow that can't stop posting about "lems" and or MS.

What's your obsession with post count? You're acting like it's bad to be active on a site YOU frequent every single day. BTW, the amount YOU post, you're going to surpass our post count in half the time. Talk about being ironic.

"lems" living rent free 24/7/365 damn I hope you can sleep at night. Must really suck to be bothered what someone post, must weight heavy on your mind. Sucks to be you son.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:

I knew this game was in trouble when it lost its creative director. But, there's a lot of finger pointing going around when it comes to this game, and there will continue to be after the fact. It may be time to find Halo a new home with a different studio under MS with better management, maybe?

Yep. Lems didn't want to believe the game was in trouble when everyone was talking about outsourcing late in development. They didn't want to believe the game was in trouble when the reveal looked like crap. Meanwhile, those of us with brains in our heads could see the truth easily.

It ain't easy being a lem these days.

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@kingtito said:
@phlop_spencer said:
@kingtito said:

“Who’s alt is this?”

”don’t take sw so seriously”

”cows are obsessed with Xbox!”

always the same lines from you xbots with 10k+ posts on here. Lems are the most pathetic fanbase by far

TLHBO

Says the cow that can't stop posting about "lems" and or MS.

What's your obsession with post count? You're acting like it's bad to be active on a site YOU frequent every single day. BTW, the amount YOU post, you're going to surpass our post count in half the time. Talk about being ironic.

"lems" living rent free 24/7/365 damn I hope you can sleep at night. Must really suck to be bothered what someone post, must weight heavy on your mind. Sucks to be you son.

Lol stop it man. Nobody takes your lem ass seriously here

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#43 kingtito
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@phlop_spencer said:
@kingtito said:
@phlop_spencer said:
@kingtito said:

“Who’s alt is this?”

”don’t take sw so seriously”

”cows are obsessed with Xbox!”

always the same lines from you xbots with 10k+ posts on here. Lems are the most pathetic fanbase by far

TLHBO

Says the cow that can't stop posting about "lems" and or MS.

What's your obsession with post count? You're acting like it's bad to be active on a site YOU frequent every single day. BTW, the amount YOU post, you're going to surpass our post count in half the time. Talk about being ironic.

"lems" living rent free 24/7/365 damn I hope you can sleep at night. Must really suck to be bothered what someone post, must weight heavy on your mind. Sucks to be you son.

Lol stop it man. Nobody takes your lem ass seriously here

LOLOL coming from someone that had to create an alt after naming his original pretending to be a "knight" for the PS4 lolololololol you're so pathetic. I even remember you trying to explain it was after running quad runners. LOLOL sad and yet pathetic at the same time

Now back to your crying. Carry on quack

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#44 ProtossRushX
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Phil is in charge of this ship

Phil has been the captain of Xbox since 2013 if this game FLOPS its on his head the ship goes down with its captain.
Phil has been the captain of Xbox since 2013 if this game FLOPS its on his head the ship goes down with its captain.

This is on Phil.

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#45 Pedro
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Oh, I forgot that Halo Infinite is still a "thing". Must be the single player games exhaustion.

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#46 PernicioEnigma
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The fact Infinite is meant to be a "big" game is a red flag in itself. I would prefer a really good 8-10 hour campaign, and awesome, highly customizable MP which Halo is famous for. But I know we're going to get a boring open world with lots of mind numbing side "quest", and they'll almost certainly incorporate microtransactions, because that's one of the primary motivators of gaming companies going for a "live service" model, which Infinite will likely be.

If you watch those documentaries of Halo 1-3, it's like the games were being made by a group of close friends, and they all seemed to really enjoy what they were doing. By the sounds of it, Infinite's development is more of a soulless grind, with no clear direction.

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#48 kingtito
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@phlop_spencer said:

@kingtito: ask a mod to prove that I’m not quadknight you frickin lunatic. Imagine being as angry as you are after being a such a pathetic slave to the shittiest gaming company in history.

You are the result of such madness you clown. Stay salty.

If it walks like quack, sounds like quack and swims like quack then it must be quack. Nice try though quack.

Oh the irony in that statement. I'll let you figure out what I mean quack.

Until then, keep crying quacknight. Your tears are delicious

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If Philip has any dignity left he will apologize for sinking the Xbox brand and resign immediately.

People can hate on Donnie M all they want but at least he could lock up 3rd party exclusives and believed in console generations. He had a vision for Xbox and the 360 was a big success with him in the driver seat.

Phil is throwing tons of shit at the wall hoping something sticks. His studios are disorganized and missing deadlines because they don't respect his authority. You can't have a pushover like him in charge of a division at a company as big as Microsoft.

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#50  Edited By rmiller365
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The over outsourcing would fall on poor management planning, but It's odd how the article mentions how the 2019 E3 trailer marketing was premature and trying to show the game was further along when they didn't have a full playable build then. You would think that that would be easily communicated and at the forefront..

Unless management was aware and still pushed it out because of a need to show a killer AAA title when you don't have one ready (similar to what Sony did with Final Fanasty 7 trailer for PS3). Either way, having a 500 million dollar budget and 4/5 years to show that dismal gameplay this year clearly shows things aren't developing smoothly in the 343 camp.