[GVMERS] The Rise and Fall of Prince of Persia

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#1 Posted by Ghosts4ever (9597 posts) -

although im not really a fan of prince of persia but i feel bad for this series and fans. ubisoft killed this franchise in a favor of rehashing assassins creed. same reason ubisoft killed splinter cell for rehashing far cry over and over again.

as for POP series. i think the original sands of time was only good one i guess. its sequels suck and POP08 is one of the worst game ever made. too easy and cartoonish game where you cant die.

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#2 Posted by carljohnsonCJ (386 posts) -

POP still miles better than any METRO,STALKER,DEUS EX and DOOM.

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#3 Posted by Ghosts4ever (9597 posts) -

@carljohnsoncj said:

POP still miles better than any METRO,STALKER,DEUS EX and DOOM.

ok. now can we not derailed this thread from now? and move on to discussion rather than going offtopic?

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#4 Edited by uninspiredcup (32823 posts) -

Now we have Assassins Creed, the spiritual successor, if the series was really shit.

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#6 Posted by Gamerno6666 (6682 posts) -

Prince of Persia Warrior Within is still my most played game. I wish this game had a remaster or remake.

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#8 Posted by R4gn4r0k (30730 posts) -

The PS2-era games are so good. IMHO the Sands of Time is one of the best platformers ever made, and I only ever finished it like a few years ago. Still holds up.

I also had the original POP game on gameboy, lol.

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#9 Edited by Ghosts4ever (9597 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

The PS2-era games are so good. IMHO the Sands of Time is one of the best platformers ever made, and I only ever finished it like a few years ago. Still holds up.

apparently its sequels just suck and feel rushed because they released them in next consecutive years as a result they feel like weak expansions.

but yeah i kinda liked original SOT. warrior within was very out of place as they try to make edgy and didnot worked. two thrones was forgettable.

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#10 Posted by R4gn4r0k (30730 posts) -

@ghosts4ever said:

apparently its sequels just suck and feel rushed because they released them in next consecutive years as a result they feel like weak expansions.

but yeah i kinda liked original SOT. warrior within was very out of place as they try to make edgy and didnot worked. two thrones was forgettable.

Warrior Within took a nosedive when it comes to its characters and story compared to The Sands of Time, but it has way better combat and the platforming is on point as expected.

I never finished the Two Thrones because for some reason it refuses to work on my PC.

I enjoyed the final two POP games, but after the sands of time it's like Ubisoft had no real idea on where to take the series next.

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#11 Edited by judaspete (2907 posts) -

If you ask me, Sands of Time is the only platformer since Mario 64 to come anywhere close to pushing the genre forward. The genre was dying so they had to put some combat in there, but plaforming still felt like the main focus. I get why people complain that it never really innovated much after that, but this is a genre I just don't seem to get sick of. Whole series is great, even the Wii version of Forgotten Sands.

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#12 Edited by MirkoS77 (14057 posts) -

The Sands of Time was the only Prince of Persia under Ubisoft that had Jordan Mechner's involvement, and seeing all attempts after it, it's readily apparent. TSoT is so far and above its sequels it's laughable. Unfortunately, as Ubi said all their games from now on will include MTs I've no hope for the franchise nor would even care to see it brought back to life under such circumstances. Frankly, if Mechner's not involved then I'm in no way interested. It is his baby, and it's his vision that brings the feeling of wonder, magic, and innocence to the series. That’s vital as that’s what makes PoP so incredible to begin with.

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#13 Posted by R4gn4r0k (30730 posts) -

@judaspete said:

If you ask me, Sands of Time is the only platformer since Mario 64 to come anywhere close to pushing the genre forward. The genre was dying so they had to put some combat in there, but plaforming still felt like the main focus. I get why people complain that it never really innovated much after that, but this is a genre I just don't seem to get sick of. Whole series is great, even the Wii version of Forgotten Sands.

What are the best platformers from this gen?

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#14 Posted by robert_sparkes (2941 posts) -

Enjoyed sands of time on 360 but also enjoyed prince of Persia 3D on dreamcast when everyone hated it.

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#15 Edited by Litchie (23718 posts) -

Sands of Time was a great action, puzzle, platformer and I'd love to see more of it. But why would they do that when they can just put another AC or FarCry skin out, sell them as new games, and earn millions? Bye bye, PoP.

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#16 Posted by Ghosts4ever (9597 posts) -

@Litchie said:

Sands of Time was a great action, puzzle, platformer and I'd love to see more of it. But why would they do that when they can just put another AC or FarCry skin out, sell them as new games, and earn millions? Bye bye, PoP.

5 bucks say next splinter cell will be another AC/far cry clone..

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#17 Edited by pelvist (7368 posts) -

TBH I never considered POP to be that great and the more recent games were garbage IMO. I somewhat enjoyed the older 2D games for their time because they offered a different type of platforming game like Flashback did, but I doubt I would like playing them again today.

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#18 Edited by Litchie (23718 posts) -
@ghosts4ever said:
@Litchie said:

Sands of Time was a great action, puzzle, platformer and I'd love to see more of it. But why would they do that when they can just put another AC or FarCry skin out, sell them as new games, and earn millions? Bye bye, PoP.

5 bucks say next splinter cell will be another AC/far cry clone..

Probably. They have turned their whole studio into a checklist clone game studio. I doubt they have any talent left with original ideas and just focus on shitting out those AC and FarCry games as quick as they can. I don't trust Ubisoft to ever make a good PoP or Splinter Cell again. If they try, it will be with their new checklist clone game-staff who can't do anything else, and wont come close to the previous games in the series. I'd rather have Ubisoft not even try.

It's a damn shame, cause once upon a time I was a big Ubisoft fan. Then AC happened.

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#19 Posted by djoffer (1222 posts) -

@Litchie: AC was great, it’s the 27 same games that makes it bad...

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#20 Posted by Ghosts4ever (9597 posts) -

@Litchie said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@Litchie said:

Sands of Time was a great action, puzzle, platformer and I'd love to see more of it. But why would they do that when they can just put another AC or FarCry skin out, sell them as new games, and earn millions? Bye bye, PoP.

5 bucks say next splinter cell will be another AC/far cry clone..

Probably. They have turned their whole studio into a checklist clone game studio. I doubt they have any talent left with original ideas and just focus on shitting out those AC and FarCry games as quick as they can. I don't trust Ubisoft to ever make a good PoP or Splinter Cell again. If they try, it will be with their new checklist clone game-staff who can't do anything else, and wont come close to the previous games in the series. I'd rather have Ubisoft not even try.

It's a damn shame, cause once upon a time I was a big Ubisoft fan. Then AC happened.

blame AC2 success. its success is what made every game into AC clone. then far cry 3 success further open the door for every open world game.

splinter cell was long ruined before AC happened.

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#21 Edited by mrbojangles25 (43796 posts) -

You know, a game series does not need to keep going. It can simply...retire. In fact, I wish more game series would be retired.

Was PoP actually killed off? Or did it just simply walk into the annals of gaming history with grace?

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#22 Posted by Litchie (23718 posts) -
@mrbojangles25 said:

You know, a game series does not need to keep going. It can simply...retire. In fact, I wish more game series would be retired.

Was PoP actually killed off? Or did it just simply walk into the annals of gaming history with grace?

Imo, PoP was changed into AC. They took PoP, dumbed down the platforming, made it more actiony and made it into a checklist open world game.

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#23 Edited by KungfuKitten (26426 posts) -

I loved the original, and Sands of Time (which is free to play, by the way for those who missed it).

All the other games not so much. I know Prince of Persia 3D was not regarded as a great game but at the time I did enjoy it. (This may be because I did not have a NES/SNES: Prince of Persia was the first beloved game that I saw evolve into 3D so I may have been more forgiving.) Much like I did enjoy the movie. (I had no expectations going in but I think it's one of the more enjoyable game-movies.) The sequels to Sands of Time went too far away from the Persian mystery and puzzles for me, and started to focus too much on flashy combat. Much like the Tomb Raider series. (And any attempts at giving the Prince of Persia a 'cool kid' personality were lost on me. I think any cutscene in a PoP game establishing a personality for the Prince or story exposition through dialogue... is tricky to do without it becoming cringy.)

Somehow, I have never played The Forgotten Sands.

My expectations for Prince of Persia are in that sense the same as my expectations for Tomb Raider: I don't expect them to ever make another game that I would enjoy, and I have sort of made peace with that.

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#24 Posted by judaspete (2907 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:
@judaspete said:

If you ask me, Sands of Time is the only platformer since Mario 64 to come anywhere close to pushing the genre forward. The genre was dying so they had to put some combat in there, but plaforming still felt like the main focus. I get why people complain that it never really innovated much after that, but this is a genre I just don't seem to get sick of. Whole series is great, even the Wii version of Forgotten Sands.

What are the best platformers from this gen?

I'd say Mario Odyssey, A Hat in Time, and Mirror's Edge Catalyst. I haven't played Yuka Lele because it got mixed reviews, but I do plan to check it out at some point since it's grown a following. I also think ReCore looks neat, but haven't gotten around to it either.

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#25 Posted by R4gn4r0k (30730 posts) -

@judaspete said:

I'd say Mario Odyssey, A Hat in Time, and Mirror's Edge Catalyst. I haven't played Yuka Lele because it got mixed reviews, but I do plan to check it out at some point since it's grown a following. I also think ReCore looks neat, but haven't gotten around to it either.

Yooka Laylee is fine, but don't expect anything more than a 3D collectathon.

A hat in time is something I got my eye on. Mirror's Edge Catalyst is something I've enjoyed a lot and I still have to finish the Mario & Donkey Kong games on Wii U, haha

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#26 Posted by judaspete (2907 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:
@judaspete said:

I'd say Mario Odyssey, A Hat in Time, and Mirror's Edge Catalyst. I haven't played Yuka Lele because it got mixed reviews, but I do plan to check it out at some point since it's grown a following. I also think ReCore looks neat, but haven't gotten around to it either.

Yooka Laylee is fine, but don't expect anything more than a 3D collectathon.

A hat in time is something I got my eye on. Mirror's Edge Catalyst is something I've enjoyed a lot and I still have to finish the Mario & Donkey Kong games on Wii U, haha

I've heard nothing but good things about Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze, the only reason I haven't played it is I generally prefer 3D platformers. Will have to check it out at some point though. I'm also hoping they port Mario 3D Land to Switch because I never got a Wii U.

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#27 Posted by AsadMahdi59 (7103 posts) -

More people should play Forgotten Sands. It has better platforming then SoT. The story and combat are meh, but the platforming is worth the price of admission.

If Beyond Good and Evil can get a sequel, there's hope for a new PoP sometime down the line. I wish there were some indie devs who would try to make something similar.

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#28 Posted by AJStyles (739 posts) -

PoP was never good. It was a poor mans GoW.

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#29 Posted by Shmiity (6265 posts) -

Sands of Time was so damn good. Holy shit

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#30 Edited by Shmiity (6265 posts) -

@Litchie said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

You know, a game series does not need to keep going. It can simply...retire. In fact, I wish more game series would be retired.

Was PoP actually killed off? Or did it just simply walk into the annals of gaming history with grace?

Imo, PoP was changed into AC. They took PoP, dumbed down the platforming, made it more actiony and made it into a checklist open world game.

Yeah, POP was definitely evolved into AC. To be fair, it's 2019 and AC has been milked to hell and it sucks. But Back in 2008 we were all fucking amped for Assassin's Creed

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#31 Posted by Jag85 (13367 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k: Agreed. Sands of Time is one of the best 3D platformers ever made. The two sequels were great too (and somewhat underrated). It's sad to see something so unique like POP get replaced with something so generic like AC.

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#32 Posted by Jag85 (13367 posts) -

@Litchie: In fact, AC was originally intended to be a POP spin-off, before it eventually became its own separate series. It was the success of AC2 and the failure of POP '08 that killed POP.

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#33 Posted by Ghosts4ever (9597 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

@Litchie: In fact, AC was originally intended to be a POP spin-off, before it eventually became its own separate series. It was the success of AC2 and the failure of POP '08 that killed POP.

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yeah this was going to be prince of persia game originally changed into new ip. it was called prince of persia assassins.