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[QUOTE="OB-47"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]
Lol! They could have just used a production PC with some GTX 680's in SLI. No, instead they daisy chained 4 PS3's.
ronvalencia
It's better publicity to have Sony products doing it I guesss. It could also be a hint at some of the power of the PS4
(~200 GLFOPs from RSX + ~250 GFLOPs from CELL) x 4 = ~1800 GFLOPs which is about AMD Radeon HD 7850 level GPU (AMD Liverpool APU). Just because you can into maths doesnt mean you can into parral computing.[QUOTE="OB-47"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]
Lol! They could have just used a production PC with some GTX 680's in SLI. No, instead they daisy chained 4 PS3's.
ronvalencia
It's better publicity to have Sony products doing it I guesss. It could also be a hint at some of the power of the PS4
(~200 GLFOPs from RSX + ~250 GFLOPs from CELL) x 4 = ~1800 GFLOPs which is about AMD Radeon HD 7850 level GPU (AMD Liverpool APU). lol then PS4 is 4 PS3's taped together....[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="OB-47"](~200 GLFOPs from RSX + ~250 GFLOPs from CELL) x 4 = ~1800 GFLOPs which is about AMD Radeon HD 7850 level GPU (AMD Liverpool APU). Just because you can into maths doesnt mean you can into parral computing.It's better publicity to have Sony products doing it I guesss. It could also be a hint at some of the power of the PS4
clyde46
GpGPU *is* parallel computing on a chip package.
AMD Radeon HD 7750 has 8 Compute Units. Each Compute Unit has 64 stream processors. The compute unit count can scale upto 32 e.g Radeon HD 7970.
AMD or NVIDIA can scale to higher CU/SMX count, if TSMC can control the TDP and chip cost.
Say hello to the incoming AMD Radeon HD 8970 and NVIDIA Geforce GTX 780.
ATI Eyefinity Debut | 3D Gaming at 5760x2400 example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzGtxlaPQqY
[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Are you expecting some kind of answer? There are 4k projectors all over Chicago.Has anyone here even seen true 4K resolution like I have? :cool:
danish-death
[QUOTE="danish-death"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Are you expecting some kind of answer? There are 4k projectors all over Chicago. My point was rather that nobody knows what he has seen other than himself :PHas anyone here even seen true 4K resolution like I have? :cool:
Heirren
GpGPU *is* parallel computing on a chip package.
AMD Radeon HD 7750 has 8 Compute Units. Each Compute Unit has 64 stream processors. The compute unit count can scale upto 32 e.g Radeon HD 7970.
AMD or NVIDIA can scale to higher CU/SMX count, if TSMC can control the TDP and chip cost.
Say hello to the incoming AMD Radeon HD 8970 and NVIDIA Geforce GTX 780.
ATI Eyefinity Debut | 3D Gaming at 5760x2400 example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzGtxlaPQqY
ronvalencia
That video you linked RonV - incredible. You know what I actually thought was most impressive? The bit at the end when it said 'copyright 2009' - lol. Didn't realise EyeFinity was already ~3 yrs old.
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]why use 4 PS3's when you can just use 1 low/mid-ranged PC?2Chalupas
A low-mid range PC? yeah right. Even a single HIGH end card, right now in 2012, is going to start to choke on most games at native 4K. Although we probably aren't too far away, GTX 790 or at the very latest GTX 890 will probably be seriously doing that. But hardly "low-mid ranged".
I doubt PS4 will be doing 4K either, just 4K film playback. I dont' see it supporting native 4K games, because as of now in order to cool such a GPU you would need a huge tower, possibly with 2 or 3 GPU's, and plenty of fans if not water cooling.
A low-mid range PC is more powerful then 4 PS3's ... which I believe was the point being made.
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]why use 4 PS3's when you can just use 1 low/mid-ranged PC?2Chalupas
A low-mid range PC? yeah right. Even a single HIGH end card, right now in 2012, is going to start to choke on most games at native 4K. Although we probably aren't too far away, GTX 790 or at the very latest GTX 890 will probably be seriously doing that. But hardly "low-mid ranged".
I doubt PS4 will be doing 4K either, just 4K film playback. I dont' see it supporting native 4K games, because as of now in order to cool such a GPU you would need a huge tower, possibly with 2 or 3 GPU's, and plenty of fans if not water cooling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NYfscyWhRE
:roll:
edit: also this Gran Turismo Tech Demo was not 4K, but upscale.
[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Are you expecting some kind of answer? Yes I'm wondering if any in SW has been able to see proper 4K resolution from a 4K display. I've watched several movies on one of the world's best 4K displays :cool:Has anyone here even seen true 4K resolution like I have? :cool:
danish-death
Its mind blowing. It does to HD as HD did to SD. With a 4K display, you can pause the image, get up and look closely at the screen and it looks like it is a picture taken by a DSLR, that's how sharp it isI've never seen what 4k resolution looks like. Is it pretty ama-zing?
Master_ShakeXXX
[QUOTE="danish-death"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Are you expecting some kind of answer? There are 4k projectors all over Chicago. Are you talking about cinema projectors? every cinema projector in the world that's upgraded their projector in the last 4-5 years has a 4K projector, Kipnis Studios has been working with 4K projection since 2003, that's 9 years ago! I'm talking about 4K in the consumer market, more specifically a Sony VPL-VW1000ES calibrated to hit the 6500K temperature D65 standard by +/- 0.1-0.4 degrees at any given time, and a perceived ANSI contrast higher than that of any plasma/LCD/LED display.Has anyone here even seen true 4K resolution like I have? :cool:
Heirren
None of the art assets are made for 4k, so what is the point? If anything it will look the same + no jaggies.
You want a 4k GT5, re-release all the bullshots and bam there you go.
Gran Turismo, isn't that the series of racing games that used to be good back in the day of PS1/PS2?
[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] probably still crap compared to avatar IMAX 3Dclyde46False, the 4K projector I saw blows any IMAX projector right off the water. the 2D image thanks to the resolution and dynamic ranges makes it look like its in 3D. Basically glasses-free 3D. What did you watch?
There are only 2 people in my country that have one of those projectors, and its been calibrated by Norway's finest calibrator.. it hits the 6500K D65 colour measurement standard on the dot by 0.1-0.4 or so AT ANY GIVEN TIME. the black painted room gives it an ANSI contrast which is perceived as virtually infinite. (Like an OLED display)
We watched the Art of Flight which is filmed by the 4KHD Red Epic camera, some other 4K native clips, the rest was blu-rays upscaled by Sony's external Lumegen video processor to look as close to 4K as possible, and it does a great job. We watched The Avengers, AVATAR, Tron Legacy, Teminator 4, The Dark Knight and probably something else I'm forgetting.
There are plenty more of these projectors in the U.S. but in order to see them here in Norway you have to visit one of the only two people in the country that have one!
The screen is a 129" and we sat 3 feet from the screen. even when we paused the image, got up and looked closely at the screen it was virtually impossible to see any compression artifacts or pixels.
Other than that, there is a Panasonic 152" 4KHD television, that I'd like to see in person some day. Unless you've been to a CES show/expo, those are the only two 4K products available to consumers I believe. 4K in the cinema is great, but the contrast on those projectors are horrible because of the high ANSI lumen requirement to fill up the large screens, so the blacks look very grayish, as well as 4096x2160 pixels on a 30+ feet wide display isn't the same as on a display that's "just" 10 feet wide :D
What did you watch?[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] False, the 4K projector I saw blows any IMAX projector right off the water. the 2D image thanks to the resolution and dynamic ranges makes it look like its in 3D. Basically glasses-free 3D. Mozelleple112
There are only 2 people in my country that have one of those projectors, and its been calibrated by Norway's finest calibrator.. it hits the 6500K D65 colour measurement standard on the dot by 0.1-0.4 or so AT ANY GIVEN TIME. the black painted room gives it an ANSI contrast which is perceived as virtually infinite. (Like an OLED display)
We watched the Art of Flight which is filmed by the 4KHD Red Epic camera, some other 4K native clips, the rest was blu-rays upscaled by Sony's external Lumegen video processor to look as close to 4K as possible, and it does a great job. We watched The Avengers, AVATAR, Tron Legacy, Teminator 4, The Dark Knight and probably something else I'm forgetting.
There are plenty more of these projectors in the U.S. but in order to see them here in Norway you have to visit one of the only two people in the country that have one!
The screen is a 129" and we sat 3 feet from the screen. even when we paused the image, got up and looked closely at the screen it was virtually impossible to see any compress artifats or pixels.
That's pretty sweet. I'm coming from the broadcast side of things. For films, 4k is awesome but for TV, 4k is nothing but a headache.Sony expecting people to purchase in large numbers a TV that supports a resolution that is not supported by any mass media service... honestly it sounds stupid. The TVs may look cool, but as of right now, there is little in ways of any industry really pushing for 4K. Cinema is just about to embark on it, but even then I doubt we shall see any 4K films as a standard for atleast another 2 or 3 years.
[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="clyde46"] What did you watch? clyde46
There are only 2 people in my country that have one of those projectors, and its been calibrated by Norway's finest calibrator.. it hits the 6500K D65 colour measurement standard on the dot by 0.1-0.4 or so AT ANY GIVEN TIME. the black painted room gives it an ANSI contrast which is perceived as virtually infinite. (Like an OLED display)
We watched the Art of Flight which is filmed by the 4KHD Red Epic camera, some other 4K native clips, the rest was blu-rays upscaled by Sony's external Lumegen video processor to look as close to 4K as possible, and it does a great job. We watched The Avengers, AVATAR, Tron Legacy, Teminator 4, The Dark Knight and probably something else I'm forgetting.
There are plenty more of these projectors in the U.S. but in order to see them here in Norway you have to visit one of the only two people in the country that have one!
The screen is a 129" and we sat 3 feet from the screen. even when we paused the image, got up and looked closely at the screen it was virtually impossible to see any compress artifats or pixels.
That's pretty sweet. I'm coming from the broadcast side of things. For films, 4k is awesome but for TV, 4k is nothing but a headache. Well living in Norway, I'm not going to expect 4K to come here until at least 2030.. haha.. NHK and BBC did broadcast parts of the Olympics in 8KHD I believe.. I wonder how that looked.. but there are only a few 8K displays in the world anyways.. JVC projector used in the KSS and Panasonic is launching a 145" 8KHD TV later this year price tag probably half a million USD :p So many channels are still in SD.. :( and I don't even think there are any 1080p channels yet.. The Japanese are always so far ahead though :( And if any of you SWers live nearby Conneticut.. I envy you.. First thing I'd do is call Jeremy Kipnis and ask for a demostration of his 264" Sony 4K / JVC 8K cinema and 100,000 hi-fi watt 12.12 channel Snell THX Reference surround :)[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]That's pretty sweet. I'm coming from the broadcast side of things. For films, 4k is awesome but for TV, 4k is nothing but a headache. Well living in Norway, I'm not going to expect 4K to come here until at least 2030.. haha.. NHK and BBC did broadcast parts of the Olympics in 8KHD I believe.. I wonder how that looked.. but there are only a few 8K displays in the world anyways.. JVC projector used in the KSS and Panasonic is launching a 145" 8KHD TV later this year price tag probably half a million USD :p So many channels are still in SD.. :( and I don't even think there are any 1080p channels yet.. The Japanese are always so far ahead though :( And if any of you SWers live nearby Conneticut.. I envy you.. First thing I'd do is call Jeremy Kipnis and ask for a demostration of his 264" Sony 4K / JVC 8K cinema and 100,000 hi-fi watt 12.12 channel Snell THX Reference surround :) I think the market for 4-8k is not in people's homes but for large outdoor events that require large screens. The current crop of large outdoor screens is pretty poor. They are really low resolution and are made from panels so if you lose a panel it's really obvious. The partnership between NHK and the BBC was done to allow the public is watch the action of live screens around the Olympic village. The only alternative for large screens is bringing a projector in. Having worked with both LED panels and projectors they are both a pain in the backside to work with. Projectors being the worst.There are only 2 people in my country that have one of those projectors, and its been calibrated by Norway's finest calibrator.. it hits the 6500K D65 colour measurement standard on the dot by 0.1-0.4 or so AT ANY GIVEN TIME. the black painted room gives it an ANSI contrast which is perceived as virtually infinite. (Like an OLED display)
We watched the Art of Flight which is filmed by the 4KHD Red Epic camera, some other 4K native clips, the rest was blu-rays upscaled by Sony's external Lumegen video processor to look as close to 4K as possible, and it does a great job. We watched The Avengers, AVATAR, Tron Legacy, Teminator 4, The Dark Knight and probably something else I'm forgetting.
There are plenty more of these projectors in the U.S. but in order to see them here in Norway you have to visit one of the only two people in the country that have one!
The screen is a 129" and we sat 3 feet from the screen. even when we paused the image, got up and looked closely at the screen it was virtually impossible to see any compress artifats or pixels.
Mozelleple112
LOL This places obsession with graphics.This reminds me of how they showed off what GT4 would look like in 1080p back in an E3 demo. They did it for a good 15 minutes and it didn't impress anybody.
Wasdie
Powered by 4 PS3's?... If that is a indication of the power of the PS4 then the WiiU is in trouble.Grey_Eyed_ElfThat would only be 1.5 Wii Us or 2 Wii Us at the most.
Since developers that have the devkits say the Wii U is 2-3 times more powerful then the PS3.
That would only be 1.5 Wii Us or 2 Wii Us at the most.[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]Powered by 4 PS3's?... If that is a indication of the power of the PS4 then the WiiU is in trouble.Nintendo_Ownes7
Since developers that have the devkits say the Wii U is 2-3 times more powerful then the PS3.
Not one developer has said that... :|[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="mitu123"]
I was hoping for 1 PS3 to do it.:(
Ben-Buja
Technically it could if the graphics were PS2 quality.
Really? Then why are most HD remakes in 720P only?
Lazy ports?
I dunno.
Maybe they are emulated rather than actual ports.
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