Godfall needs 12GB of VRAM for Ultra textures. NVIDIA fans on suicide watch

You knew this was coming.

Interestingly, Keith Lee revealed that in order to support 4X x 4X UltraHD textures a 12GB VRAM is required. This means that Radeon RX 6000 series, which all feature 16GB GDDR6 memory along with 128MB Infinity Cache should have no issues delivering such high-resolution textures. It may also mean that the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 graphics card, which only has 10GB of VRAM, will not be enough.

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Shots have been fired and the GPU wars have resumed. AMD has partnered with the dev and in what appears to be a power move, pulled the rug from underneath NVIDIA's feet.

Let the games begin!!!

Well, better wait for the GTX 5090TI

See... even PC players are always at each other's throats.

Master race my ass.

Well stop being poor and just buy a 1500+ dollar RTX3090.

The **** you think this is? It's war, my friend.

The world will be plunged into a firestorm of death and desolation, and only the strong and worthy will emerge from its ashes to rebuild the glorious PC Gaming World in all of its glory. Free of console peasants, weak hardware and bad GPU vendors.

The dev should manage their memory better. Most of that RAM is just going to be cold data. Time to move away from that model.

Isn't it AMD's partnered/marketed title? Then pretty standard for them to do that. Simply a marketing deal to push that. Pretty sure in the real world GDDR6 vs GDDR6x will be a bigger differentiator. Lastly we still don't know if it's actual memory consumption or just allocated memory.

"But 8GB is enough."

Well GodFall is one of those so called "next-gen" games for PS5 even though it doesn't seem like it lol. Which is why it has demanding requirements, and I believe that this is how it will be for many games for now on. Probably doesn't use all 12GB VRAM at least. But wouldn't surprise me if it uses 10GB+ with everything ultra/ray tracing on etc. Heck even FFXV can go up to 10GB VRAM if you let it (highest tram setting) granted that game isn't the best optimized on PC mind you. One could turn a few settings down and probably be fine tho, per usual.

If anyone can't tell, I'm hype for GodFall myself and despite I'm gonna run it with my RTX 2070, AMD ain't got shit on me😉

I call bullshit. This game is not very impressive. No need to be using that much VRAM. Looks like some shady tactics from AMD.

Surely Nvidia knew what they were doing, could they really have made such a critical mistake? I'm not going to pretend to understand this, but don't they also compress data and decompress data? I'm going to disclaimer my comment that I don't understand what I'm talking about. Happy to leave it to the professionals.

lol 12 GB, yeah OK whatever.

Hey, even the gods up on Olympus quarreled from time to time.

"Zeus was horny, so he screwed some girl, then Hera got pissed"

Yeah the game looks very current-gen from what I have seen. This reeks of poor optimization, intentional (for marketing) or not.

You know who is on the suicide watch? The ones that plan on playing this F2P phone like game that requires 12gb of ram. Those are the ones i'd be worried about.

It's called shit optimization. If a game was properly utilizing 12gb of overhead it would also run at 5 fps because cards today aren't equipped to run anything that legitimately required that kind of VRAM use, especially with 6x. This is just a lazy tactic to entice people to wait for AMD cards, instead of coming up with any proper kind of software appeal for the cards.

8GB=1440p & 10GB=4K

Look, I get that 8GB VRAM looks poor, but let's be honest, does anyone expects 8GB to be a great card for 4K? How many of us really game in 4K? I love Nvidia but I'm not crazy to spend over a grand for a GPU I personally don't need. (But I really want 3090 but not at that tax increase lol)

Since I'll be staying in 1440p for a few more years, 3070 is my pick for next year's upgrade.

I feel sorry for any goober upgrading for this ugly ass looking Unreal student project.

Nah, I jest: 3070&3080 are all good cards.

3070 is the pick for 1440p and 3080 for 4K. Lowering textures from ultra to high to fit the 10GB budget won't make much of a difference :)

Impossible several system wars warriors from lemmings and hermits told me 10GB of VRAM was enough for everything for years to come.

@R4gn4r0k:

Done! Lol

3090 buy vindicated, imagine having below 20gb gddr6x woosh

flight sim will eat as mych vram as it can...

Meh, let the laster race fight among themselves while the real gaming gods (console players) will just laugh at this :)

What about this dev?

"My recommendation for 8GB GPUs is to use high textures in general and reduce them down to medium if you start seeing stutter at your chosen resolution should it be higher than 1440p."

"My recommendation for 8GB GPUs is to use high textures in general and reduce them down to medium if you start seeing stutter at your chosen resolution should it be higher than 1440p."

"My recommendation for 8GB GPUs is to use high textures in general and reduce them down to medium if you start seeing stutter at your chosen resolution should it be higher than 1440p."

What about this game? Keep in mind, these are cross gen games with ultra settings and RT. Imagine what true next gen games in a couple of years will require. Anyone who bought an next gen 8GB or 10GB GPU better have fun with massive compromises.

"My recommendation for 8GB GPUs is to use high textures in general and reduce them down to medium if you start seeing stutter at your chosen resolution should it be higher than 1440p."

A Ubisoft side-game is the rebuttal for arguing that this is a case of shit optimization? Okay I guess...

By the way you can quote multiple accounts in one post, there's no need to spam the board with the same video 4 times.

I know nobody that actually wants to play this game. I'll just watch someone play this.

Besides AMD fans think they can get this card on launch? Watch this sells out in like 0.1 seconds.

It is not the 8GB which is in question, but 10GB. People who are buying a 3070 are not targeting 4K. There is nothing going on in Godfall to justify the 12GB VRAM. It is an AMD sponsored game. Just some shady tactics to try to generate interest for their 16GB cards. Like I said all along, my 3080 will do just fine until the 4080 comes out. If I have to reduce a setting or two to accommodate 10GB on the odd game, it is not a big deal. It will still be better than consoles anyway.

Sounds like you are trying to justify not owning the best. 😎

@BassMan: You know its true. You have become a console gamer. 😂

@BassMan:

I can't wait for the 6800XT. It will pair nicely with a 5900X

8gb and 10gb cards will be outdated fast when next gen arrives. Get used to lower settings just because of v-ram limitations.

16gb should be the minimum for any next gen card.

Or, developers can manage their memory better instead of just dumping everything they can in memory and only using actively using portion of it.

But yet consoles will not have 16gb for vram and will most likely have 5-6gb minimum used out of the 16gb for OS+features along with game logic "cache"..... So only expect 10gb vram usage in XSX and same ballpark for PS5..... And with direct storage tech larger vram buffer size will mean less in the future ..... You do not need more than 128mb of memory to render a 4k image hence RDNA 2 having infinity cache to bypass the 256bit bus of memory. VRAM and ram usage is all preloading and prediction of whats to come and "what if" With the ability of Direct storage tech the streaming of graphical assets on the fly or loading less of the "preloading and prediction"will remove quite a bit of the bulk of needing "16gb" for "next gen".

@Xplode_games: Awesome explanation by the DF guys!

However Watch Dogs L is optimized like crap, so it's not a good example. Look at their comparison of CPUs, and look at their comparison of DX11 v DX12.

AMD has insane stutters, consoles run sub 30 fps, game runs way worse in DX12, ... the list goes on. Watch Dogs L just runs really bad.

Apparently the 3080 with 20gb and 3070 with 16gb are cancelled in favor of their current versions with half the ram.

The 3080ti with 20GB is still upcoming, but will be pricier for sure.

No PC its survival of the fittest... When the companies fight we all win because things get cheaper and better products are made.

You console gamers aren't a survival of the fittest bunch, you're a inclusive society held back by your 30FPS in-bred children.

Nothing to do with managing it better, everything to do with consoles being more powerful and therefore the base bar will go upwards as result for games and PC will join it. Which means more v-ram needed and all hardware with it.

PS4 = 2-3gb of v-ram allocation results in 4gb games recommend with 2-3gb low and 6gb ultra settings.

Now replace that 2-3gb with 10gb from the xbox which will be the limiting factor most likely and calculate the other numbers. yea 10gb suddenly doesn't look so good anymore does it? indeed.

There is a reason why people wanted 24gb cards for the 3080ti which was renamed to 3090 and 16gb for cheaper models which nvidia didn't do because they play the v-ram game again which they did last generation also with the 700 series of cards.

But with AMD moving to 16gb modules and nvidia probably releasing higher v-ram cards sooner rather than later and next gen games probably hitting end next year the whole market will be riddled with those cards which means it will become the standard and devs will focus on it also.

The 128mb of cache cant store a screen of texture data mate. That's why u got v-ram. It won't have any impact on that size it just reduces the stress on the bus which is needed if u want to push bigger textures forwards which require a lot more data to be flushed though. so no clue why u go into this department.

The reduction that direct storage will bring on v-ram demand isn't interesting because devs will simple increase the complexity of the scene at the same time like they always do, they will saturate that 10gb no matter what because its available. as result 10gb will always be loaded into that xbox series x and pc will provide higher settings then what consoles deliver always also If PC can't keep up with direct storage for example the ram requirements will just explode even more. Because data needs to be fed into the ram and v-ram and swapped around a lot more often.

Anyway 10gb of v-ram simple won't age well.

Looks like the GPU wars are back baby!

So far, I saw a rumor going for RTX 3080Ti at $999 and if that's true, (if it is true of course) the RX 6900XT will be out of business in no time lol.

All in all, Nvidia doesn't like being second rate whenever AMD get's an edge on the competition.

I only used to spend around ~400euro on new graphics cards, my 1080ti was more than that at 800euro.

A 999euro card is even more than that, and the price of a full PC desktop at that point, but I'd actually be willing to spend that much if performance is in line with what I'm expecting and if Nvidia can magically make it around the same heat and power draw level as the RTX3080.

@Gatygun: It has a everything to do with memory management. You factually don't process all or even 25%(most likely less) of data actively in VRAM at the moment. Most of the data sits there until needed and depending on what the player does it may never be used. We have the technology to reduce the memory footprint by using more intelligent memory management algorithms and software. The current model is simply inefficient. VRAM needs to be more actively used than static.

If the charts they used for the new Navi GPU's is in any where inline with the 5 series CPU's... Then prepare for dissapointment.

They promised the BEST gaming performance and yet Intel is still beating them, the 5600X and 5800X get out performed by a 10600K in gaming.

I told people not to listen to AMD when it comes to performance hype.

Also the benchmark used in Doom Eternal for the RTX 3080 had it scoring 20FPS lower than all reviews at 4K.

AMD is doing a AMD still and forcing developers to use more VRAM just for the f*** of it, I hope Nvidia lock out AMD from RTX developed games.

All they do is hype and lie, no wonder they are in the consoles.

AMD cpu's always perform like rollercoasters. Some games they work on par other games they drop down a lot. Same for there GPU's.

However 16gb of memory will make the 6800xt a far better investment then any of those 3080's currently on the market.