Geow3 + FXAA = BlurredZone 3

Double standards in system wars at it's finest. Fanboys claiming that MLAA is a super horrible AA because it blurs the whole entire image like Blurzone 3. Which obviously is not true at all because the AA blur king belongs to FXAA and KZ3 is sharp as hell with less motion blur than Geow3 & Crysis 2. FXAA is the real blurzone king so why don;t we hear system wars yell out? "Vaseline smeared" "Blurzone" 'blur king" 'extreme blur to hide the poor textures" 'to hide the poor framerate"

Gears 3 still looks amazing though and that really all that matters

I only heard that about KZ2, never KZ3. In retrospect, the QAA might have helped with the IQ. At least that's what a lot PS3 gamers are telling me.

That screengrab I took is getting a lot mileage today. I almost regret posting it. It's in the middle of an extreme DoF effect, with smoke/dust everywhere, and blood spattering on the screen. I think it looks great in motion, and even in the screen it looks good. I put it up to show the nice, cinematic look of Gears 3.

Without directfeed screens, there's only bullshots to turn to for SP screens, and nothing really showing the new alleged FXAA implementation.

I only heard that about KZ2, never KZ3. In retrospect, the QAA might have helped with the IQ. At least that's what a lot PS3 gamers are telling me.

That screengrab I took is getting a lot mileage today. I almost regret posting it. It's in the middle of an extreme DoF effect, with smoke/dust everywhere, and blood spattering on the screen. I think it looks great in motion, and even in the screen it looks good. I put it up to show the nice, cinematic look of Gears 3.

Without directfeed screens, there's only bullshots to turn to for SP screens, and nothing really showing the new alleged FXAA implementation.

gamecubepad

I agree and yes Geow3 is one of the best looking console games no doubt, even obviously better looking than Uncharted 3. But just to stick it to the number of fanboys who keep calling Blurzone 3 even though obviously it's sharper than Crysis 2 & Geow3

I get so confused with these forms of AA, good thing I get the real deal on PC 8)

When I play consoles I expect aliasing and don't care much to be honest.

I get so confused with these forms of AA, good thing I get the real deal on PC 8)

When I play consoles I expect aliasing and don't care much to be honest.

Grawse

I agree and yes Geow3 is one of the best looking console games no doubt, even obviously better looking than Uncharted 3. But just to stick it to the number of fanboys who keep calling Blurzone 3 even though obviously it's sharper than Crysis 2 & Geow3

rich-sac

We don't even even know if it's being used for sure. Best not to assume that FXAA is the culprit when a lot of the screens being pulled for Gears 3 are from vids, and sporting a good amount of effects like DoF, per object motion blur, in addition to particle effects. Not only that, I put them in compressed .jpg format so photobucket will accept them(less than 1MB).

Here's some clean screens from the same vid that scene is from(still from vid, still compressed twice)...

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If that vid is actually sporting FXAA, this is what it looks like when it's not buried beneath other post effects.

There are different types of FXAA. You just showed the blurriest version to support your argument.ocstew

AA wars... gotta love it.

AA wars... gotta love it.

Wasdie

Uncharted 3 feels so left out, he's sitting over in the corner like, hey talk about me.

Uncharted 3 feels so left out, he's sitting over in the corner like, hey talk about me.

casharmy

I wonder what type of AA Uncharted 3 will use, I think it will use 85%, what about you? :P

Do your research before posting TC. There is a sharp setting for FXAA3 which was not posted in the pics you grabbed from Digital Foundry. It was posted in the videos.

[QUOTE="ocstew"]There are different types of FXAA. You just showed the blurriest version to support your argument.rich-sac

FXAA3 (console)default

FXAA3 sharp (console)

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Uncharted 3 feels so left out, he's sitting over in the corner like, hey talk about me.

ABCarmine

I wonder what type of AA Uncharted 3 will use, I think it will use 85%, what about you? :P

I think there is a joke I'm supposed to be getting but :( my brain failed to comprehend it.

AA wars... gotta love it.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Uncharted 3 feels so left out, he's sitting over in the corner like, hey talk about me.

casharmy

I wonder what type of AA Uncharted 3 will use, I think it will use 85%, what about you? :P

I think there is a joke I'm supposed to be getting but :( my brain failed to comprehend it.

Game scores

80%-84%=A

85%-89%=AA

90%-94%=AAA

It was a joke about UC3 Going to be an AA title since your post was about AA and everyone is hyping UC3 to be AAA. Hope that helped...

[QUOTE="rich-sac"]

I agree and yes Geow3 is one of the best looking console games no doubt, even obviously better looking than Uncharted 3. But just to stick it to the number of fanboys who keep calling Blurzone 3 even though obviously it's sharper than Crysis 2 & Geow3

gamecubepad

We don't even even know if it's being used for sure. Best not to assume that FXAA is the culprit when a lot of the screens being pulled for Gears 3 are from vids, and sporting a good amount of effects like DoF, per object motion blur, in addition to particle effects. Not only that, I put them in compressed .jpg format so photobucket will accept them(less than 1MB).

Here's some clean screens from the same vid that scene is from(still from vid, still compressed twice)...

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If that vid is actually sporting FXAA, this is what it looks like when it's not buried beneath other post effects.

Looking at images like this makes me think that Gears 3 does'nt look all that amazing though.

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

[QUOTE="rich-sac"]

I agree and yes Geow3 is one of the best looking console games no doubt, even obviously better looking than Uncharted 3. But just to stick it to the number of fanboys who keep calling Blurzone 3 even though obviously it's sharper than Crysis 2 & Geow3

Filthybastrd

We don't even even know if it's being used for sure. Best not to assume that FXAA is the culprit when a lot of the screens being pulled for Gears 3 are from vids, and sporting a good amount of effects like DoF, per object motion blur, in addition to particle effects. Not only that, I put them in compressed .jpg format so photobucket will accept them(less than 1MB).

Here's some clean screens from the same vid that scene is from(still from vid, still compressed twice)...

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If that vid is actually sporting FXAA, this is what it looks like when it's not buried beneath other post effects.

Looking at images like this makes me think that Gears 3 does'nt look all that amazing though.

*facepalm*

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

I wonder what type of AA Uncharted 3 will use, I think it will use 85%, what about you? :P

ABCarmine

I think there is a joke I'm supposed to be getting but :( my brain failed to comprehend it.

Game scores

80%-84%=A

85%-89%=AA

90%-94%=AAA

It was a joke about UC3 Going to be an AA title since your post was about AA and everyone is hyping UC3 to be AAA. Hope that helped...

Microsoft needs to put Gears of War 3 on PC so I can force some AAx64 on it. I can't keep up with all these werid AA's that barely does anything for the game visually.

FXAA MLAA MSAA XXAA TAAA POAA ERAA whats next? AAAA?

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

I think there is a joke I'm supposed to be getting but :( my brain failed to comprehend it.

Chutebox

Game scores

80%-84%=A

85%-89%=AA

90%-94%=AAA

It was a joke about UC3 Going to be an AA title since your post was about AA and everyone is hyping UC3 to be AAA. Hope that helped...

Whatever, you still got the joke right?:twisted:

AA wars... gotta love it.

Wasdie

I don't know why, but I feel very victimized now :P:P

AAAA?

ShadowDeathX

All these types of AA that are out nowadays. In the end its only comparable in screenshots. Does KZ3 look blurred in screens = yes. Does it look AS blurred in game = no. The point is all these things are always disputed in Screenshots but when you actually play the game you hardly notice these things unless you really look for them

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

AA wars... gotta love it.

I don't know why, but I feel very victimized now :P:P

I was not aware people complained about blur in Killzone until this thread and personally I like the blur effect so long as it's not abused. I never played Killzone though so I have idea if they missused it.vashkey

Personally, I can't tell the difference between any of these damn AA methods when I'm playing the games. So I really don't care.

Uncharted 3 feels so left out, he's sitting over in the corner like, hey talk about me.

casharmy

uncharted 3 NOT brought up in a graphic comparison? thats a good thing :P

Gears 3 still looks amazing though and that really all that matters

BPoole96

I don't understand any of this.

I don't understand any of this.

DillonShwing

Whatever FXAA Gears3 is using still does not hold up to the MLAA in KZ3, the edge smoothing and sharpness are simply better with MLAA. gpuking

I need to point out 3 things:

1.) Yes MLAA offers better edge smoothing and clarity.

2.) That Gears pic is horribly compressed... But the AA is still very good for games that cannot afford MLAA for console. And by looking at the SP & MP for Uncharted 3 neither can it either... FXAA is the only way to go for Uncharted 3 too!

3.) Or would you rather prefer whatever edge detect AA (Cheap MLAA?)Naughty Dog is using at the moment? Because it's offering worse quality than either MLAA or FXAA.

And this is the single player!

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

AAAA?

mitu123

Here's how Gears 3 looks with the FXAA3 sharpsetting.

It loses sub pixel AA for better clarity... See the lockers in the background. But the edge detection is working better than 4XMSAA.

That's actually amazing for a game that was originally developedwith no AA in mind.

Here's how Gears 3 looks with the FXAA3 sharpsetting.

It loses sub pixel AA for better clarity... See the lockers in the background. But the edge detection is working better than 4XMSAA.

That's actually amazing for a game that was originally developedwith no AA in mind.

CorbraMax

what do you mean sharp setting? is there an option to use whatever AA method you like? anyways Geow still have the best shadows ever on consoles, not a single jagg

what what AA?

I'll just stick to Super Sample AA thanks. And lots of it.

I need to point out 3 things:

1.) Yes MLAA offers better edge smoothing and clarity.

2.) That Gears pic is horribly compressed... But the AA is still very good for games that cannot afford MLAA for console. And by looking at the SP & MP for Uncharted 3 neither can it either... FXAA is the only way to go for Uncharted 3 too!

3.) Or would you rather prefer whatever edge detect AA (Cheap MLAA?)Naughty Dog is using at the moment? Because it's offering worse quality than either MLAA or FXAA.

CorbraMax

Naughty Dog is using MLAA, albeit modified(perhap stencil pass instead of branching? That would make it run faster but would represent a different approach to finding edges, so that may an effect).

what do you mean sharp setting? is there an option to use whatever AA method you like? anyways Geow still have the best shadows ever on consoles, not a single jagg

rich-sac

FXAA 3.10 allows full developer control over the method. There are also a whole bunch of different presets done by Timothy Lottes that optimize for different aspects of image quality and performance... I imagine that it is even theoretically possible to adjust those settings in real time if you integrated it into your engine deep enough(basically script transitions from one preset to another based on what you feel works best for that particular scene/sequence).

Edit- Looking at his blog, it appears that the above(adjusting presets in real-time to optimize particular sequences) is what he intended the presets to be used for... Basically, you can change the preset with a single line of code, #define FXAA_QUALITY_PRESET.

[QUOTE="gpuking"]CorbraMax

I need to point out 3 things:

1.) Yes MLAA offers better edge smoothing and clarity.

2.) That Gears pic is horribly compressed... But the AA is still very good for games that cannot afford MLAA for console. And by looking at the SP & MP for Uncharted 3 neither can it either... FXAA is the only way to go for Uncharted 3 too!

3.) Or would you rather prefer whatever edge detect AA (Cheap MLAA?)Naughty Dog is using at the moment? Because it's offering worse quality than either MLAA or FXAA.

And this is the single player!

God that UC3 pic looks horrible. and people still praise this over KZ3 as the PS3 Graphical marvel lol

[QUOTE="rich-sac"]

what do you mean sharp setting? is there an option to use whatever AA method you like? anyways Geow still have the best shadows ever on consoles, not a single jagg

KingsMessenger

FXAA 3.10 allows full developer control over the method. There are also a whole bunch of different presets done by Timothy Lottes that optimize for different aspects of image quality and performance... I imagine that it is even theoretically possible to adjust those settings in real time if you integrated it into your engine deep enough(basically script transitions from one preset to another based on what you feel works best for that particular scene/sequence).

To add to your post: Here's the sharp setting code for console.

http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/2011/06/sharper-fxaa3-console.html

BTW, any modders here that use UDK but had not checked the UDK website recently:

July 2011 UDK Beta is up.

Allows you to enable PostProcessAA, which includes FXAA and MLAA.

MLAA requires extra memory as an intermediary render target, which is another thing to consider when comparing MLAA and FXAA(though theoretically you can just overwrite other render targets since the scene is already rendered, but that wouldn't necessarily always work... I imagine it would be a bigger concern in a forward rendered game than a deferred rendered game, simply because the deferred rendered game would have several MBs worth of render targets that are no longer needed by the time you get to the Post Process stage).