Gears 5 may be the most realistic game yet

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#1  Edited By jcrame10
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Seriously, the offline campaign feels so realistic I truly feel like I am playing online with others.

From my AI teammates rushing over to enemies that will one shot them, to trying to be the nice guy and revive them to only get killed yourself, and to the point where I’m dying on the ground while my AI teammate just stands over me doing nothing. I am surprised they didn’t have the voice actors record some high pitched laughter and yo mama jokes to really add to the experience.

Thanks for this, Microsoft. You are a true blessing to the gaming industry, as always.

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#2 tenaka2
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This is good sarcasm.

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#3 GoldenElementXL
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Get good?

If you can beat AI, you need to stay offline

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#4 speedfreak48t5p
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Quality thread. Would read again. 10/10

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#5 jcrame10
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@goldenelementxl: get good? How do I make my AI teammates not rush out and die during the campaign? What? It has nothing to do with being good it’s called shitty game programming.

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#6 Ant_17
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@speedfreak48t5p said:

Quality thread. Would read again. 10/10

It's my 3rd time reading it. Great stuff.

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#7 Ten_Pints
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Microsoft are the best a programming don't you know.

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#8 sealionact
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Stick to movies games....this is obviously to hard for you.

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#9 DaVillain-  Moderator
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@sealionact said:

Stick to movies games....this is obviously to hard for you.

This obviously! Gears 5 isn't some walk-in-a-park type of game. Go hard or go home.......watch a movie.

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#10 jcrame10
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@sealionact: Gears 5 isn’t a movie game?

How about the cinematic walking segments of Oscars village?

What about the narrative interruptions of the boss fight with the Matriarch?

What about the cinematic walking sections in the rocket hangar?

Wow...lol stupid

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#11 jcrame10
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I understand this is System Wars and the IQ level is generally not high around these parts but still if you can’t even read correctly why comment...

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#12 BenjaminBanklin
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LOL! It's a good game, but it's probably a lot better played with actual real humans as your squad mates. That's always how Gears has been when you play solo. The A.I. makes some questionable moves. The game is definitely a lot more playable when you're a team of four and Jack as opposed to just you and Del and Jack. I had to count on using Hijack a lot to get through some of the hairier areas.

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#13 sealionact
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@jcrame10: Just trying to help...you seem to be bad at the game. God help you in Horde with a few multipliers active....and for your own sake, steer clear of versus.

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#14  Edited By watercrack445
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Your teammates online are made of a bunch AI? Must be many people are not playing gears 5 than I though.

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#16 jcrame10
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@watercrack445: I’ve been playing the campaign solo or with my brother when he’s available. Haven’t tried to play it with randoms.

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#17 jcrame10
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@sealionact: i don’t have a problem with versus or horde and have already played them...again talking about the AI in the campaign. As already stated if you have reading comprehension problems I’d advise not commenting.

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#18 sealionact
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@jcrame10: Well, as mentioned elsewhere, try playing with humans.

I do hope you appreciate the irony of you cursing how stupid the AI is for getting killed, when you are hoping that they would revive you....

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#19 APiranhaAteMyVa
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TLHBO another flop for the XBONE

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#20 Fedor
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@sealionact: Expecting the AI not to be borked and work as designed isn't irony. Telling him to just play with humans is a cop out and an attempt to ignore the issue.

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#21 phbz
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Didn't have any issues so far. But anyone knows AI in games is always flawed. It's no a MS exclusive issue. But this is SW and we must keep or stupidity at max at all times. Let's hope Naughty Dog got better.

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#22 Macutchi
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there's not been many games which get companion ai right tbf.

uncharted and ubisoft games are hilarious when you're stealthing with your ai buddies and they're following you round scampering in and out of plain sight to the enemies.

and half life 2 is one of my favourite games but had some of the worst ever. "let me get out of your way" before constantly blocking you from wherever you're trying to go. "don't forget to reload dr freeman." errr mate you're talking to the guy who does go to ravenholm here. good job he's a mute he'd be fuming

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#23 sealionact
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@fedor: Uh-huh.... Is that an Arabian Stallion you came galloping in on?

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#25  Edited By jcrame10
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@Macutchi: Uncharted and Last of Us companions can’t be downed though. And you don’t automatically get a game over if they do something stupid and die, because they can’t die. ND does AI companions way better than Gears

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#26 Fedor
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@sealionact: Another odd deflection, I don't know why it's so hard to accept that the AI needs some attention.

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#27 Fedor
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@xhawk27: Whataboutism

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#28 xhawk27
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@jcrame10 said:

@Macutchi: Uncharted and Last of Us companions can’t be downed though. And you don’t automatically get a game over if they do something stupid and die, because they can’t die. ND does AI companions way better than Gears

Because Gears is a Co-Op game and those Sony games aren't.

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#29 sealionact
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@fedor: Because the AI in Gears has always been among the best. Enemies take cover, flank, revive, fall back and attack resources like taps. AI companions run to you and try and revive you....I can't count the number of times I've been revived by the AI.

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#30 sealionact
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@jcrame10: How does making companions invincible make them better AI?

Lmao.....

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#31 blamix
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Wut?

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#32  Edited By jcrame10
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@sealionact: how does making your AI companions die cuz of their own stupidity punish the player make any sense?

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#33  Edited By Fedor
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@sealionact: Sure, bud. That must be why it got knocked by several reviewers for it poor companion AI.

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#34 sealionact
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@jcrame10: You died first....guess they weren't as stupid as you eh?

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#35 Macutchi
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@jcrame10 said:

@Macutchi: Uncharted and Last of Us companions can’t be downed though. And you don’t automatically get a game over if they do something stupid and die, because they can’t die. ND does AI companions way better than Gears

true they can't die but that in itself is a bit shit. it kills the immersion when you're carefully plotting your stealth attacks and sam and sully are nonchalantly wandering around in sight of the enemy without getting any reaction. plus, for example, hypothetically if sam did die in uc4 after being caught trying to sneak about that's the story gone to shit. so maybe nd don't do ai companions better than gears 5, i haven't played it yet, but they certainly don't do them well

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#36 blueinheaven
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You realise the robot gets a skill where you can just target downed team mates and he revives them, right?

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@blueinheaven: There is also an ability upgrade that will allow you to instantly revived downed teammates when you activate it (Stim upgrade).

@Macutchi said:
@jcrame10 said:

@Macutchi: Uncharted and Last of Us companions can’t be downed though. And you don’t automatically get a game over if they do something stupid and die, because they can’t die. ND does AI companions way better than Gears

true they can't die but that in itself is a bit shit. it kills the immersion when you're carefully plotting your stealth attacks and sam and sully are nonchalantly wandering around in sight of the enemy without getting any reaction. plus, for example, hypothetically if sam did die in uc4 after being caught trying to sneak about that's the story gone to shit. so maybe nd don't do ai companions better than gears 5, i haven't played it yet, but they certainly don't do them well

Yeah they simply just make the AI in TLOU and Uncharted invisible which is not really superior companion and actually lazy. In fact I remember talking with PC_Rocks I believe a month or two ago about Crytek's cancelled game Redemption which shared many similarities to TLOU and one of the main reasons why Crytek cancelled it was because the little girl AI companion was a pain in the ass to keep alive since enemies would attack her and pissed people off to the point they wanted her dead instead of protecting her. Naughty Dog handled this issue by simply making Ellie invisible to enemies which is often why in the game you see her run around enemies and even bump into them without any reaction from them.

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#38 blueinheaven
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@NoodleFighter said:

@blueinheaven: There is also an ability upgrade that will allow you to instantly revived downed teammates when you activate it (Stim upgrade).

That too, but I never used the Stim upgrade I grew too fond of hijack :)

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#39 NoodleFighter
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@blueinheaven: Yeah I found the Stim ability pretty useless outside of its upgrade allowing me to revive downed teammates. It's way too short for me to actually make a difference with the ability, you're better off just going invisible to avoid enemy fire and with the 4th invisibility upgrade I just stealth kill a bunch of enemies and shoot others I can't get to in time before it runs out.

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#40  Edited By lundy86_4
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I've had it happen a couple of times, but that's just AI in general. Most of the time, mine have been fairly on point. They'll typically get stuck if you go down in the middle of butt-**** Idaho, with a multitude of enemies between you. Still, it's passable.

What difficulty are you playing, TC?

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#41 I_P_Daily
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Poor OP sucks at playing video games, stick to Sony's offerings lol.

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#42 jcrame10
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@lundy86_4: intermediate

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#43  Edited By Netret0120
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@jcrame10 said:

Seriously, the offline campaign feels so realistic I truly feel like I am playing online with others.

From my AI teammates rushing over to enemies that will one shot them, to trying to be the nice guy and revive them to only get killed yourself, and to the point where I’m dying on the ground while my AI teammate just stands over me doing nothing. I am surprised they didn’t have the voice actors record some high pitched laughter and yo mama jokes to really add to the experience.

Thanks for this, Microsoft. You are a true blessing to the gaming industry, as always.

Seems more like a blog post but great for you then.

Gaming is about having fun and you obviously are. I disagree with you but that is why gaming is so amazing. We all have different tastes and hence lots of different games to choose from which is always a good thing.

I'm currently playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and i'm having a blast.

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#44  Edited By Litchie
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That is coming from someone who spent money and time on Days Gone.

No Gears game have had great AI. Why expect #5 to be different? The AI isn't even especially bad. Pretty normal bad, I'd say. If you want to Sony fanboy rage on Gears, do it smarter.

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#45 mrbojangles25
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@Ant_17 said:
@speedfreak48t5p said:

Quality thread. Would read again. 10/10

It's my 3rd time reading it. Great stuff.

Nah he is full of it. State of Decay 2 has the best AI companions. I really like how they get stuck inside houses with multiple entry points, decide it's safer and smarter to exit via a window instead of a door, and otherwise somehow just disappear and don't attack.

Gears 5 ain't got nothing on State of Decay 2 AI.

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#46 avenger85
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The A.I. Is horrible... gears 4 had better A.I. For your squad mates... idk what happened in this area is the game.

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#47 dude_sh
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the combat was fun and add more variety with the new "dave" and "jack":)

but yes, the ai is really broken, the story is weak and the inbetween jokes and dialouge are cringy with all the hollywood cliche nowdays, they really need a better writers.