GameSpot: Nintendo's problem is its all about Nostalgia

The people are right. This is why they will never give a Mario game a 9.5 and Game of the Year or its sequel a 10/10.Blabadon

Nintendo has the biggest stable of proven IPs in the world. As long as they continue to give is all new experiences, and they do, it doesn't matter what they do.charizard1605

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game just like what most developers do now instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

AMAZING how nintendo's fanbase gets so upset when you dare speak out against their precious company. Bread_or_Decide

Amazing how there's absolutely nothing wrong with the Playstation 4.

AMAZING how nintendo's fanbase gets so upset when you dare speak out against their precious company. Bread_or_Decide

I see people upset on both sides and deciding to take a side in an argument doesn't necessarily mean a person is upset, there are plenty of people providing an argument for both advantages and disadvantages with Nintendo being all about nostalgia. 

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.MirkoS77

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.MirkoS77

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.charizard1605

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material.

By saying Nintendo, i bet most, if not all people, are reffering to Shigeru Miyamoto himself developing a new IP, or something like that.

But yeah, i forgot that Monolith is a 1st party developer for Nintendo.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

 

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material. Lucianu

By saying Nintendo, i bet most, if not all people, are reffering to Shigeru Miyamoto himself developing a new IP, or something like that.

But yeah, i forgot that Monolith is a 1st party developer for Nintendo.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.charizard1605

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

They do make new IPs, but I'm sure most people are only arguing about major AAA ones from EAD and Miyamoto, which its been a little while since a high quality big budget new IP that caters to us. Not saying Xenoblade wasn't one in a sense, but they want one straight from the big guy.

Of course no one mentions that at all though, so it just makes the whole Ninty don't do new stuff thing more unbearable to talk about. You're basically preaching to the crowd that is implying something else entirely.

But see, that would be ridiculous; it's like saying Sony or Microsoft have NEVER developed a new IP. Nintendo has Monolith, like you said. And Retro, Retro is probably working on something new. A game like The Wonderful 101 is a new Nintendo IP. They are doing new stuff, this isn't even counting their smaller digital projects, but they are trying; this E3 will show us more.charizard1605

Makes sense to me, i don't care how ridiculous it sounds, the human mind is bat sh*t crazy filled with bias, influences, ignorance, you name it.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material. BrunoBRS

It makes no sense to stop using their established ip. zeroyaoi

your sig

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

HAZE-Unit

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

charizard1605

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

HAZE-Unit

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Nintendo has the biggest stable of proven IPs in the world. As long as they continue to give is all new experiences, and they do, it doesn't matter what they do.Pikminmaniac

Ninitendo is more creative and original with their old ips than their competition is with their new ips

I see you're suffering from a case of blinded by nostalgia. :lol:

Sony IPs: Shadow of the Collossus, Patapon, Siren, Uncharted, Crash, Jak, Heavy Rain, Demon's Souls, Gran Turismo, GOW, Wild Arms, LBP, Journey, inFamous and many new unreleased IPs like TLOU, Tear Away, Knack etc. 

Just look at the diversity and all of them are not only good games but some of them like Uncharted inspired a generation!

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.charizard1605

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

the issue with those 3 games you mentioned (Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower) they only catter to certain demographic... The weaboo demographic. Nintendo not only is lacking on new IPs but in diversity too. Just because the Wii had 1 or 2 new IPs means nothing. This gen alone Sony pumped more new IPs than Nintendo in the last 20 or so years.

I stopped listening after a few minutes. It was completely asinine--what I would expect from McShea. He's pretty much arguing that, even though they add new, interesting gameplay mechanics, because they don't give it a new skin (ala GTA->Red Dead Redemption) with new characters, they're not innovating. I like IPs like anyone else, but if your new IP is just a rehash of the tired mechanics of your old game (imagine Epic ending the Gears franchise and then starting another 3rd person cover shooter), that "innovation" means nothing. 

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

Gue1

the issue with those 3 games you mentioned (Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower) they only catter to certain demographic... The weaboo demographic. Nintendo not only is lacking on new IPs but in diversity too. Just because the Wii had 1 or 2 new IPs means nothing. This gen alone Sony pumped more new IPs than Nintendo in the last 20 or so years.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.charizard1605

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

But these factors are important! the games you've mentioned are not treated as much as a known Nintendo franchise in terms of budget of development and marketing thats why I've brought the point of the "broader audience discussion" in my original post.

Look how much of an impact the Gears of War series brought to the console industry thanks to "Epic Games" for example, those kinds of experiences should be done internally by Nintendo and Im not saying they should make another Gears of War but they should make something that is the next Gears of War.

Those games you've mentioned are not industry defining moments or as big of a discussion/anticipated as much as a Mario game, Nintendo should make changes within their best studios who repeatedly makes the next Mario, Zelda Metroid, Smash....etc.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Nintendo has the biggest stable of proven IPs in the world. As long as they continue to give is all new experiences, and they do, it doesn't matter what they do.Gue1

Ninitendo is more creative and original with their old ips than their competition is with their new ips

I see you're suffering from a case of blinded by nostalgia. :lol:

I don't see that as a bad thing, personally.

There's a lot of old games I keep returning too while there are many new games that are just forgettable to me.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

charizard1605

Goddamn, but do you people even live in the real world?DarkLink77

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

Capitan_Kid

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

finalstar2007

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

finalstar2007

Story in the Mario games is pretty un-important.

So yes, they are praised because of the gameplay. (read: excellent and creative level design)

If you want more story in the Mario universe, you should try the SM RPG & Paper Mario series. (which are all "lighthearted" RPGs but have a charm of their own)

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Don't even suggest a Mario RPG, I could not think of a less appealing game.

DarkLink77

Uhh.. Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars are good RPGs.

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Uhh.. Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars are good RPGs.

_Matt_

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

Dude, if you want to talk about bad don't mention Super Mario RPG, that game was one of the best RPGs ever created.

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Novotine"]It's not like this is news. Nintendo cashes in on Nostalgia - they had some awesome franchises back in the 90s; they've failed to move on. charizard1605

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

Mature games with realistic graphics good game design >>>>>>>>> cartoons with good design

Would I rather play Mass Effect(just an example) or save the princess for the 100th time.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

StrongBlackVine

LOL the only way you will ever mate is if you hook up with that ugly rodent in your sig!

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] This. That statement was f*cking stupid and you should feel bad, Matt.HAZE-Unit

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

Dude, if you want to talk about bad don't mention Super Mario RPG, that game was one of the best RPGs ever created.

I dont have a problem with them

3DS is now one of my best consoles of all time and in the unique position to be the first console in the world that has a FF and a Zelda game in one single platform

Actually maybe it has more, since it could get multiple new Zeldas and Bravely Default 2

It is gaminh heaven

WiiU is garbage though, but Nintendo is doing better than ever with 3DS

I dont have a problem with them

3DS is now one of my best consoles of all time and in the unique position to be the first console in the world that has a FF and a Zelda game in one single platform

Actually maybe it has more, since it could get multiple new Zeldas and Bravely Default 2

It is gaminh heaven

WiiU is garbage though, but Nintendo is doing better than ever with 3DS

loosingENDS

A good game is a good game. I don't care if they use the same ips.

A good game is a good game. I don't care if they use the same ips.

cain006

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

 

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

ImJESUS-PROam

Dude, if you want to talk about bad don't mention Super Mario RPG, that game was one of the best RPGs ever created.

I'd take a mario rpg (whether it's Paper Mario, Mario and Luigi, or SMRPG) and its comical dialogue over the usual JRPG trash that spews out of Japan. 

People are sick of Nintendos 1980s baby boomer Saturday morning cartoon lineup.