Gamespot is biased LINK!

[QUOTE="Raidea"]Oh yes, I'm sure Gamespot deliberately didn't choose the only time in the game that actually gives shadows. :roll:

Edit: They have updated the comparison feature with new PS3 screenshots. The PS3 shots still look as lackluster as they did without the simple player shadowing now shown.
rocktimusprime

its more the fact that they put down the PS3 score because of graphics issues because of stuff like missing shadows.

Now they have realised they accidentally ran the wrong time settings so therefore the 360 got shadows and the ps3 didn't, surely the score with the PS3 version needs to be reviewed a little bit, since one of the big gripes they had with it was actually in the game and worknig well
IchigoKurasaki

Did you just call Casey a lemming? Casey =/= lemming.Spartan070

I thought Casey was a Lemming at one point.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"] Did you just call Casey a lemming? Casey =/= lemming.crazyjames1080

I thought Casey was a Lemming at one point.

Maybe but he just said he prefers MGS3 to Halo 2 so I figure he can't be a "lemming," well I guess it's possible.:PSpartan070

To be honest, I never analysed his posts. It was just a silly assumption on my part.

[QUOTE="proof11102"]

1. :| It (the camera) wasn't a fault.  You lose ponits on trying to change the context of what I was explaining to you just to try to argue something diffrent.   Then you use a total flop of a game like Big Rigs as your example.  You sound like a fanboy now.  MGS3 had no faults as I explained before it's a presonal thing of either like the game or not.  The camera?  Well there was a small learning curve from MGS2's but I never had much of a problem with it switching views form first back to 3rd....just like the camera in MGS2.  :roll: yet somehow you are calling it a glitch?

2. That's not true.  MGS2 was perfect, so was Soul Calibur on DC, so was tetris. 

I don't know Casey, you're a mod but you should try to act like an authority on games or anything becaues you obviously let bias affect your judgement.  Anyonw who's played both of these games (MGS3 and Halo 2) can understand what I'm talking about on the technical aspects of each...even Bungie admitted that the game was half-*** so what's the problem?  All I did was agree with them. 

Anyways I think I'll end any further converstaion with you because I see you already have an opinon favoring MS and don't seem to be willing to look at things objectivly...carzy glitches like Big rigs huh?  Cool.

CaseyWegner

1. many people did consider the camera to be a problem. saying that the developer intended it to be like that does not excuse it. my example of big rigs was extreme but still valid.

2. just your opinion

i'm not pro-microsoft. i'm pro-logic. you make assumptions about me here yet you don't know that mgs3 is one of my all time favorite games and i like it much more than i do halo 2. i'm not letting that get in the way of the facts though.

Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3 Sill...it's not a techical problem.  Do you understand what I mean by technical problem, since you seem to think of yourself as a preson who's pro-logic?  Tell me what was "technically" worng with the camera in MGS3. 

And while trying to explain this to me I will show you why you were wrong for saying that it was a "technical problem". 

P.S. Your Big Rigs argument was not valid because as I've stated befor MGS3 has no technical problems or glitches.

[QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

Anyways I think I'll end any further converstaion with you because I see you already have an opinon favoring MS and don't seem to be willing to look at things objectivly...carzy glitches like Big rigs huh? Cool.

Spartan070

It's best you end the conversation because your arguments are pathetic. It's just excuse after excuse.

CAsey provided you with a perfect example and you dismissed it because you knew it squashed your argument.

First of all Casey didn't a prefect example to ANYTHING. This is why I have no respect for lemmings. Compairing MGS3 to Big Rigs is a perfect example to you? Yeah, I guess that's what makes you a lemming. And your addition to the argument is just patheric. Trying to hang on the coat tails the power wielding authority wont make your arguments any better.

No I didn't.  I said I don't have any repect for lemmings.  I called Los Daddie a lemming for agreeing with what Casey said.  However I do believe Casey is pro MS, he's not as bad as the majority of lemmings here on this board.  However, if he was he'd probably loose his moderation rights.  

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]    And for the record, PDZ got AAA because it was a new "Next-Gen" game that wowed with its looks and Online Co-op. If it was released now, it would be low AA, I would count on it. GameSpot is not biased, but like everyone, they were wowed by the "flash" of PDZ and looked past its lack of substance.peaceful_anger

No I didn't.  I said I don't have any repect for lemmings.  I called Los Daddie a lemming for agreeing with what Casey said.  However I do believe Casey is pro MS, he's not as bad as the majority of lemmings here on this board.  However, if he was he'd probably loose his moderation rights.  

proof11102

Being pro-Microsoft is different than being biased toward them.

MGS 3 had camera issues? i never even noticed...lol...anyway its as simple as GS messed up the comparison then updated it after everyone was done arguing...Kahuna_1

The "camera issues" may have been the top-down view, but having not read the review I'm not sure.

Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3 Sill...it's not a techical problem.  Do you understand what I mean by technical problem, since you seem to think of yourself as a preson who's pro-logic?  Tell me what was "technically" worng with the camera in MGS3. 

And while trying to explain this to me I will show you why you were wrong for saying that it was a "technical problem". 

P.S. Your Big Rigs argument was not valid because as I've stated befor MGS3 has no technical problems or glitches.

proof11102

i know what you're saying and i already said my example was extreme. however, trying to justify a fault and saying that the score shouldn't be affected is just silly.

No I didn't.  I said I don't have any repect for lemmings.  I called Los Daddie a lemming for agreeing with what Casey said.  However I do believe Casey is pro MS, he's not as bad as the majority of lemmings here on this board.  However, if he was he'd probably loose his moderation rights.  

proof11102

how am i pro-microsoft?

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]MGS 3 had camera issues? i never even noticed...lol...anyway its as simple as GS messed up the comparison then updated it after everyone was done arguing...-The-G-Man-

The "camera issues" may have been the top-down view, but having not read the review I'm not sure.

ohh..well if that bumped it all the way down to an 8.7 then haha funny

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]MGS 3 had camera issues? i never even noticed...lol...anyway its as simple as GS messed up the comparison then updated it after everyone was done arguing...Kahuna_1

The "camera issues" may have been the top-down view, but having not read the review I'm not sure.

ohh..well if that bumped it all the way down to an 8.7 then haha funny

Yes, it does seem a bit stupid.

[QUOTE="proof11102"]

Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3 Sill...it's not a techical problem.  Do you understand what I mean by technical problem, since you seem to think of yourself as a preson who's pro-logic?  Tell me what was "technically" worng with the camera in MGS3. 

And while trying to explain this to me I will show you why you were wrong for saying that it was a "technical problem". 

P.S. Your Big Rigs argument was not valid because as I've stated befor MGS3 has no technical problems or glitches.

CaseyWegner

i know what you're saying and i already said my example was extreme. however, trying to justify a fault and saying that the score shouldn't be affected is just silly.

Hardly a fact that the camera was the only thing people complained about

"The Bad: Too much exposition; story gets off to a slow start.; very little gameplay at first.; cumbersome controls take getting used to.."

Just because YOU disregard all of these other complaints does not make it a FACT that the camera was the only complaint point. It simple means that the Camera issues are the only complaint that YOU agree with.

[QUOTE="proof11102"]

No I didn't.  I said I don't have any repect for lemmings.  I called Los Daddie a lemming for agreeing with what Casey said.  However I do believe Casey is pro MS, he's not as bad as the majority of lemmings here on this board.  However, if he was he'd probably loose his moderation rights.  

-The-G-Man-

Being pro-Microsoft is different than being biased toward them.

Yeah I know, but there is a fine line anytime someone has a slight prefrence towards anything. 

This thread will be ignored. It clashes with the lemmings "we've got better multyplats!".kentaro22

Multiplats. The Right  Spelling is what you have to use around here ;)

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

Anyways I think I'll end any further converstaion with you because I see you already have an opinon favoring MS and don't seem to be willing to look at things objectivly...carzy glitches like Big rigs huh?  Cool.

proof11102

It's best you end the conversation because your arguments are pathetic. It's just excuse after excuse.

CAsey provided you with a perfect example and you dismissed it because you knew it squashed your argument.

First of all Casey didn't a prefect example to  ANYTHING.  This is why I have no respect for lemmings.  Compairing MGS3 to Big Rigs is a perfect example to you?  Yeah, I guess that's what makes you a lemming.  And your addition to the argument is just patheric.  Trying to hang on the coat tails the power wielding authority wont make your arguments any better. 

#1. I'm not a lemming. I'm a Manticore. PSN ID: LosDaddie ;)  I'd post my Wii code if I was home.  Your assumption = Failure

#2.  You completely missed the point of Casey's comparsion.

Either you missed his point because:

A) You know how silly and pathetic your arguments are

or

B) You are unable to comprehend the comparison.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

No I didn't.  I said I don't have any repect for lemmings.  I called Los Daddie a lemming for agreeing with what Casey said.  However I do believe Casey is pro MS, he's not as bad as the majority of lemmings here on this board.  However, if he was he'd probably loose his moderation rights.  

proof11102

Being pro-Microsoft is different than being biased toward them.

Yeah I know, but there is a fine line anytime someone has a slight prefrence towards anything. 

[QUOTE="proof11102"]

Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3 Sill...it's not a techical problem.  Do you understand what I mean by technical problem, since you seem to think of yourself as a preson who's pro-logic?  Tell me what was "technically" worng with the camera in MGS3. 

And while trying to explain this to me I will show you why you were wrong for saying that it was a "technical problem". 

P.S. Your Big Rigs argument was not valid because as I've stated befor MGS3 has no technical problems or glitches.

CaseyWegner

i know what you're saying and i already said my example was extreme. however, trying to justify a fault and saying that the score shouldn't be affected is just silly.

selfowned...lol.  You can't even tell me why you believe what you are arguing.  As a preson above me has said, I have't ever notice a problem with  MGS3's camera.  The same goes for me.   I look at MGS3's camera the same way some people look at Virtua Fighter 5's gameplay system.  The only people who complain are the people who aren't apt enough to use it.  Dose that make either one a technical problem/fault?  No. 

DOA4's gameplay style is easy, VF5's is complex. dose that mean VF5's gameplay is flawed?  No because VF5's gameplay was designed to behave exactly the way it does, and that's exactly the same way the camera was designed for MGS3. 

BTW. This is how to present an example Casey.  The example you gave made no sence what so ever, but thanks for playing. :)

[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]Read it here
But we knew this already didn't we?
squallff8_fan

Very interesting post because I am still wondering how in gods name does PDZ score an AAA and RFOM which is clearly a better all around game offline and online then PDZ is and still didnt manage to get an AAA?

And who here has played Virtua Fighter 5 and DOA 4? Virtua Fighter 5 is alot more smoother and lookz way better then DOA 4 and yet DOA 4 still gets a higher score then Virtua Fighter 5, I mean there was no online but if u rate DOA 4 graphics Higher then Virtua Fighter 5, right der already shows me something is wrong because we all know that Virtua Fighter 5 is superior to DOA 4 in graphics.

And how does zelda not get an AAA for the wii. I swear this game in my mind was funner and better then any of the AAA titles that were given on the xbox 360, besides Oblivion but id still take it over it due to all the loading times n stuff on oblivion.

The way that gamespot is going, the ps3 wont ever get an AAA title with the way they rate games.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3 Sill...it's not a techical problem.  Do you understand what I mean by technical problem, since you seem to think of yourself as a preson who's pro-logic?  Tell me what was "technically" worng with the camera in MGS3. 

And while trying to explain this to me I will show you why you were wrong for saying that it was a "technical problem". 

P.S. Your Big Rigs argument was not valid because as I've stated befor MGS3 has no technical problems or glitches.

Bgrngod

i know what you're saying and i already said my example was extreme. however, trying to justify a fault and saying that the score shouldn't be affected is just silly.

Hardly a fact that the camera was the only thing people complained about

"The Bad: Too much exposition; story gets off to a slow start.; very little gameplay at first.; cumbersome controls take getting used to.."

Just because YOU disregard all of these other complaints does not make it a FACT that the camera was the only complaint point. It simple means that the Camera issues are the only complaint that YOU agree with.

:| Are you refering to the **** review made a balding old man?  Sorry for your reading comp problem.  I said "Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3..."

Sorry you missed this in school but the word "people" that I used in my sentence is plural.  You are talking about the review that Greg K gave that long time ago, and that is one "preson".

When I said "people" I was refering to us gamers who play the game and then come back here and post comments of how we really feel about the game.  Sorry for the confusion.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3 Sill...it's not a techical problem.  Do you understand what I mean by technical problem, since you seem to think of yourself as a preson who's pro-logic?  Tell me what was "technically" worng with the camera in MGS3. 

And while trying to explain this to me I will show you why you were wrong for saying that it was a "technical problem". 

P.S. Your Big Rigs argument was not valid because as I've stated befor MGS3 has no technical problems or glitches.

proof11102

i know what you're saying and i already said my example was extreme. however, trying to justify a fault and saying that the score shouldn't be affected is just silly.

Hardly a fact that the camera was the only thing people complained about

"The Bad: Too much exposition; story gets off to a slow start.; very little gameplay at first.; cumbersome controls take getting used to.."

Just because YOU disregard all of these other complaints does not make it a FACT that the camera was the only complaint point. It simple means that the Camera issues are the only complaint that YOU agree with.

:| Are you refering to the **** review made a balding old man?  Sorry for your reading comp problem.  I said "Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3..."

Sorry you missed this in school but the word "people" that I used in my sentence is plural.  You are talking about the review that Greg K gave that long time ago, and that is one "preson".

When I said "people" I was refering to us gamers who play the game and then come back here and post comments of how we really feel about the game.  Sorry for the confusion.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3 Sill...it's not a techical problem. Do you understand what I mean by technical problem, since you seem to think of yourself as a preson who's pro-logic? Tell me what was "technically" worng with the camera in MGS3.

And while trying to explain this to me I will show you why you were wrong for saying that it was a "technical problem".

P.S. Your Big Rigs argument was not valid because as I've stated befor MGS3 has no technical problems or glitches.

proof11102

i know what you're saying and i already said my example was extreme. however, trying to justify a fault and saying that the score shouldn't be affected is just silly.

selfowned...lol. You can't even tell me why you believe what you are arguing. As a preson above me has said, I have't ever notice a problem with MGS3's camera. The same goes for me. I look at MGS3's camera the same way some people look at Virtua Fighter 5's gameplay system. The only people who complain are the people who aren't apt enough to use it. Dose that make either one a technical problem/fault? No.

DOA4's gameplay style is easy, VF5's is complex. dose that mean VF5's gameplay is flawed? No because VF5's gameplay was designed to behave exactly the way it does, and that's exactly the same way the camera was designed for MGS3.

BTW. This is how to present an example Casey. The example you gave made no sence what so ever, but thanks for playing. :)

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

Fact, the Camera is the only thing that people really complained about with MGS3 Sill...it's not a techical problem.  Do you understand what I mean by technical problem, since you seem to think of yourself as a preson who's pro-logic?  Tell me what was "technically" worng with the camera in MGS3. 

And while trying to explain this to me I will show you why you were wrong for saying that it was a "technical problem". 

P.S. Your Big Rigs argument was not valid because as I've stated befor MGS3 has no technical problems or glitches.

proof11102

i know what you're saying and i already said my example was extreme. however, trying to justify a fault and saying that the score shouldn't be affected is just silly.

selfowned...lol.  You can't even tell me why you believe what you are arguing.  As a preson above me has said, I have't ever notice a problem with  MGS3's camera.  The same goes for me.   I look at MGS3's camera the same way some people look at Virtua Fighter 5's gameplay system.  The only people who complain are the people who aren't apt enough to use it.  Dose that make either one a technical problem/fault?  No. 

DOA4's gameplay style is easy, VF5's is complex. dose that mean VF5's gameplay is flawed?  No because VF5's gameplay was designed to behave exactly the way it does, and that's exactly the same way the camera was designed for MGS3. 

BTW. This is how to present an example Casey.  The example you gave made no sence what so ever, but thanks for playing. :)

you're still trying to justify things that developers wanted but that people complain about.