#Gamergate - Anita was on Colbert

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#2101 Posted by dr_jashugan (2665 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:
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Interview with "misogynist" TotalBiscuit.

Excellent interview!

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#2102 Posted by GarGx1 (10928 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

very good interview there the one of David Pakman to Total Biscuit. I agree with him on almost every point except for the removal of scores. But we are starting to see a new side here about why game journalists behave the way they do and that's because of game publishers.

I liked how he connected the dots between the review that might have social criticism in it with metacritic and the bonus from publishers. Everything so concise and straight to the point even an outsider would be able to understand why #gamergate is a thing.

But anyway, this entire industry is so broken no wonder we are getting so many shit games as of late. It's like game devs are being shackled by game journalists. But at the same time is not entirely their fault but the publisher's for putting so much authority in game review scores forcing devs to develop games in a certain way. Although some of the blame would fall on us too for caring so much about the damn scores too!

Goddamn, this is going too deep for me.

Scores can be good and bad, they're good for a brief overview if you're not overly interested in what the reviewer has to say and just want to know if a game is worth playing. They are bad because different reviewers have differing opinions in what makes a good game and that can adversely affect how well a game sells especially where Metacritic is concerned because averages are far too easily boosted or brought down. Where as you, if the score was to replaced by a term or descriptive that cannot be manipulated by an average, words such as good, must buy, excellent, garbage etc. You get a far fairer system that is still easily understood but not tied to a random number generator (lets face some reviews are exactly that).

It's not just the publishers, developers or even gamers to blame either Sony and MS have a huge hand in this, as big exclusives sell systems, especially if the exclusive gets an outstanding score. Both are guilty of this through the console specific websites bolstering average scores of games such as TLoU and Halo 3 and therefore boosting the MC average score. Of course multi-plat games can shift consoles as well but to a lesser extent as system choice is introduced into the mix. Nintendo are probably less guilty as they get far less third party support (this gen) and most of their top tier games are usually good.

Did I just make a system wars relevant post in this thread? ;)

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#2103 Edited by parkurtommo (28295 posts) -

Uh, wow. Anita has somehow morphed her prerogative in to "Gamers are threatening women", even though in the beginning it was just "damsels in distress narratives are dumb" (which I would agree with). That's dumb. Threats are empty, they're a consequence of poor conversations.

What a stupid mess. What's even more stupid is how it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, either. Has anything changed since last year? Has the industry changed for the better? No. Games journalism is in shambles, that's the only change.

It's all a one sided, disrespectful and dishonest situation. If you want to passively make this die down just stop clicking on those click bait articles that include the following keywords: Anita Sarkessian, Gamergate, Zoe Quinn, Quinnspiracy, feminist, journalism, twitter.

You're welcome.

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#2104 Posted by Vaasman (13715 posts) -

@ten_pints said:

Zoey Quinn crying if you are into that sort of thing.

You know, all GG issues aside, her sense of style is absolutely awful. I mean god, on their own I don't mind dyed hair, or absurd piercings, or a studded leather jacket, but together, and on her, it's ridiculous. We certainly criticize Anita here, but at least when she makes appearances she's always dressed like she wants to be taken seriously. Whether her message is on point or not, she comes off as composed.

It's not like they blind-sided her either, she had time to prep for an interview. Not even like a youtube interview, this is showing up on the damn BBC. At least wear a dress shirt or something.

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#2105 Posted by Ten_Pints (3830 posts) -

@Vaasman said:

@ten_pints said:

Zoey Quinn crying if you are into that sort of thing.

You know, all GG issues aside, her sense of style is absolutely awful. I mean god, on their own I don't mind dyed hair, or absurd piercings, or a studded leather jacket, but together, and on her, it's ridiculous. We certainly criticize Anita here, but at least when she makes appearances she's always dressed like she wants to be taken seriously. Whether her message is on point or not, she comes off as composed.

It's not like they blind-sided her either, she had time to prep for an interview. Not even like a youtube interview, this is showing up on the damn BBC. At least wear a dress shirt or something.

Who cares what someone looks like, it's what they have to say that matters.

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#2107 Edited by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

@ten_pints said:

Zoey Quinn crying if you are into that sort of thing.

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quite the contrast

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#2108 Posted by Ten_Pints (3830 posts) -

@mikhail said:

@ten_pints said:

@Dasein808 said:

@mikhail said:

So first it was "No True Gamergater" would issue death threats...

Said no one in this thread ever.

What is a "True Gamergater" anyway?

Look up the No True Scotsman fallacy, it's a typical GG line used to absolve themselves of all responsibility for any harassment or threats.

Why should I take responsibility for a small minority of mentally ill people? Would you say sorry when someone in your town gets murdered because obviously you are responsible for your neighbours, guilt by association right?

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#2109 Edited by Vaasman (13715 posts) -

@ten_pints said:

@Vaasman said:

@ten_pints said:

Zoey Quinn crying if you are into that sort of thing.

You know, all GG issues aside, her sense of style is absolutely awful. I mean god, on their own I don't mind dyed hair, or absurd piercings, or a studded leather jacket, but together, and on her, it's ridiculous. We certainly criticize Anita here, but at least when she makes appearances she's always dressed like she wants to be taken seriously. Whether her message is on point or not, she comes off as composed.

It's not like they blind-sided her either, she had time to prep for an interview. Not even like a youtube interview, this is showing up on the damn BBC. At least wear a dress shirt or something.

Who cares what someone looks like, it's what they have to say that matters.

While that is absolutely true, composure is still half the battle when you're trying to make a case for yourself. If you don't respect yourself enough to look like anything more than white trash, why should anyone take you seriously?

Plus, lets be honest, it's not like she has anything to say that we haven't already heard.

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#2110 Edited by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

@basediwata said:

@Revan_911 said:

So you all know what we're up against and what has been happening to video games for the last 5 years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afgtd8ZsXzI

What a bitter and pathetic human being.

wanna read worse?

Many human beings are so disconnected from reality... But as always, not sure if fake or not.

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#2111 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28915 posts) -

Colbert: can you name 3 games? Anita: buuu ummm,....I play so many games 100's of millions...umm... Colbert: can't you name 3? Anita: umm...iummmm GTA GTA thats it!

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#2112 Edited by SambaLele (5552 posts) -

@parkurtommo said:

It's all a one sided, disrespectful and dishonest situation. If you want to passively make this die down just stop clicking on those click bait articles that include the following keywords: Anita Sarkessian, Gamergate, Zoe Quinn, Quinnspiracy, feminist, journalism, twitter.

That's the boycott pursued by GG + spreading awareness about it just like you are doing right there. The difference is on the "passive" part. Yet, the moment you want to divulge that view, like you did, it's an action.

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#2113 Posted by Ten_Pints (3830 posts) -
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#2114 Posted by KittenNose (2469 posts) -

@SambaLele said:

Don’t Ask Your Members to Ignore Trolls – Ask Them to Help You Find Them

Report, Don’t Respond

When members respond to guideline violations – no matter what they are, from the harmless to the scum of the earth – they often make the situation worse. If it’s spam, you bring more attention to the spam. If it’s an inflammatory comment, you bring more attention to the comment. If it’s a troll, you encourage them to troll further. And then you have the fact that many members will respond to a violation with another violation, furthering the downward spiral.

So the users should ignore trolls and let mods mod?

Holy Kitten Fluff, it is internet 101 from 1998! I wonder how many more decades it is going to take for this to catch on.

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#2115 Edited by SambaLele (5552 posts) -

One of the best articles I've read about this so far:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20141027VL200.html

A quote from the article:

Despite repeated assurances by the media at the start of the dispute that any appearance of collusion and cooperation between websites to control the narrative and present an independent but unified front were purely coincidental, it has since been revealed that around 150 members of the gaming press and a few developers were in fact communicating on a private message board called GameJournoPros. The group has since disbanded and members have tried to paint the group as a "water cooler" where professionals congregated to discuss mundane day-to-day events related to working in the gaming industry.

However, leaked postings reveal that members also used the group to apply pressure on members working at other outlets to remove stories on their sites, to call for the firing of uncooperative writers, to warn members to avoid communicating with certain individuals (effectively creating a blacklist), and even discussed private personnel matters including soliciting opinions on how to handle internal disciplinary cases.

Additionally, in the weeks since GamerGate attempted to open a discussion of professionalism in the gaming press, individuals have come forward to share their experiences of how they were harmed by the current seemingly incestuous nature of the industry with allegations that bloggers have, in specific instances, published incorrect or incomplete reports without performing adequate fact checking, refused requests to correct or respond to reported allegations, and had interfered with or blocked attempts to put out the other side of the story in competing outlets.

One more article:

http://www.gamezone.com/originals/here-s-what-we-know-allistair-pinsof-destructoid-yanier-niero-gonzalez-game-journo-pros-and-more

Gamergate achieved 3 million tweets:

http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%23gamergate&q2=%23notyourshield&via=Topsy&period=3%20month

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#2116 Edited by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

she's pissed because Anita stabbed her in the back. lol

the hypocrisy man the hypocrisy of these women has no bound. We have quite the monster to deal with ourself.

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#2117 Posted by Mr_Huggles_hog (25 posts) -

If #gamergate isn't a misogynistic, politicized hate movement, why is it that it's largely a bunch of leftist females in the industry that have been targeted?

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#2118 Edited by Dasein808 (839 posts) -
@mr_huggles_hog said:

If #gamergate isn't a misogynistic, politicized hate movement, why is it that it's largely a bunch of leftist females in the industry that have been targeted?

Because it started with a blog written by a SJW detailing his recent celeb SJW indie dev ex's hypocrisy surrounding her claims about cheating being the equivalent of rape and then allegedly cheating on him with multiple people.

The "Gamers are Dead" websites had previously shown interest in the personal lives of male developers like Brad Wardell's (eventually dismissed sexual harassment suit) or Max Temkin's (also eventually dismissed rape charges) and when challenged as to why they weren't exhibiting the same "journalistic interest" in Zoe's ex's claims, following their recent praise for her DQ game, they decided to take a censoring approach from web forums, to reddit, and 4chan. Especially, when it was revealed that one of the individuals, Nathan Grayson, that she had been accused of cheating with had written her a headlining promotion of her game in an article covering 50 indie titles, most of which also actually had graphics. His name also apparently made its way into the game's credits.

Zoe got an anonymous threat/harassment, and the media concluded with 0 corroborating evidence that the threats were "obviously" the work of the misogynistic neck bearded gamers.

Arriving at this conclusion, they then released their "Gamers are Dead" articles leading to the formation of a global anonymous movement focused around the current lack of ethics, the double standards, nepotism, and apparent evidence of collusion within the gaming media industry.

Anita and BW were hardly "targeted" by GG.

They might have been targeted by trolls for obvious reasons, but in reading through what's posted in 8chan, most people appear to desperately want nothing to do with either of them and would rather clear the GG name of the accusation by actually finding and identifying the people responsible for the harassing.

Both of them inserted themselves into the discussion. Anita by again, accusing GG as being the origin of her harassment with no evidence to prove the allegation.

BW appears to have made it a point to try and troll GG by creating a meme that 8chan then reversed and exponentiated upon, resulting in a handful of malicious trolling versions and disproportionate butthurt. This appears to have raised her profile enough to come to the attention of the likely, same party of trolls, who then issued their threats for which GG was again blamed with no evidence.

It's been the same routine from the start.

Make sweeping allegations against a marginalized group with no more evidence than a heavy dose of slander and a large megaphone to support the accusations.

The world has a bit of history with this sort of thing, but it's sad that it remains as powerful in the digital age when people actually have access to the primary resources surrounding this issue, but most are still content to form their opinions through the mass media.

This is not to say that I deny that some/all of these threats could be coming from gamers/GG supporters, but unlike the majority of frothing anti-ggs who are content to accept things at face value, I prefer proof before I arrive at a conclusion.

"I saw Goody Proctor dancing with the devil in the forest."

"Listen and believe."

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#2119 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22928 posts) -

How long till the literally's all start turning on eachother?

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#2120 Edited by KittenNose (2469 posts) -

@mr_huggles_hog said:

If #gamergate isn't a misogynistic, politicized hate movement, why is it that it's largely a bunch of leftist females in the industry that have been targeted?

This logic doesn't work, but I will answer your question first:

The reason why leftist females have largely been targeted is because it is the easiest way to get headlines. The internet is a place where a person who isn't very good at call of duty can expect to get a death threat or two if they play for a couple of hours on a match type with friendly fire enabled. Sending a death threat to a male gamer isn't something that gets trolls headlines, it is status quo. Sending them to someone who is going to heavily publicize the threat is however a great way to ensure thousands of people get all angry about your post/tweet.

It is not exactly rocket surgery. If someone thrives on negative attention and drumming up hate they are going to target those that give them the most attention.

As for why your logic doesn't work: Antia went on a show who's viewers chased a woman from their house because she was "shedding light on casual racism" and so forth, If you are going to do the guilt by association thing, you have to tar her with the same brush.That is without getting into radical feminist posts/tweets. They do things like disproportionately target men and actively advocate for things like castration and genocide.

Poof, feminism is a movement all about racism and genocide. Or, you know, people can pull up their grown up undies and admit that trolls and haters represent no one but themselves. Not to mention the fact that attention is what trolls thrive on, and the only way to make them go away is to ignore them. Ignoring the trolls so they die however would seriously hurt a lot of pocketbooks (hate farming is a huge business) so it might be a decade or so before people who enjoy hate reading stop feeding the trolls.

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#2121 Posted by super600 (32453 posts) -

@Shinobishyguy said:

How long till the literally's all start turning on eachother?

That won`t happen. I don`t like people calling those people LW anyway.

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#2122 Edited by super600 (32453 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:
@mr_huggles_hog said:

If #gamergate isn't a misogynistic, politicized hate movement, why is it that it's largely a bunch of leftist females in the industry that have been targeted?

Because it started with a blog written by a SJW detailing his recent celeb SJW indie dev ex's hypocrisy surrounding her claims about cheating being the equivalent of rape and then allegedly cheating on him with multiple people.

The "Gamers are Dead" websites had previously shown interest in the personal lives of male developers like Brad Wardell's (eventually dismissed sexual harassment suit) or Max Temkin's (also eventually dismissed rape charges) and when challenged as to why they weren't exhibiting the same "journalistic interest" in Zoe's ex's claims, following their recent praise for her DQ game, they decided to take a censoring approach from web forums, to reddit, and 4chan. Especially, when it was revealed that one of the individuals, Nathan Grayson, that she had been accused of cheating with had written her a headlining promotion of her game in an article covering 50 indie titles, most of which also actually had graphics. His name also apparently made its way into the game's credits.

Zoe got an anonymous threat/harassment, and the media concluded with 0 corroborating evidence that the threats are "obviously" the work of the misogynistic neck bearded gamers.

Arriving at this conclusion, they then released their "Gamers are Dead" articles leading to the formation of an anonymous movement focused around the current lack of ethics, the double standards, nepotism, and apparent evidence of collusion within the gaming media industry.

Anita and BW were hardly "targeted" by GG.

They might have been targeted by trolls for obvious reasons, but in reading through what's posted in 8chan, most people appear to desperately want nothing to do with either of them and would rather clear the GG name of the accusation by actually finding and identifying the people responsible for the harassing.

Both of them inserted themselves into the discussion. Anita by again, accusing GG as being the origin of her harassment with no evidence to prove the allegation.

BW appears to have made it a point to try and troll GG by creating a meme that 8chan then reversed and exponentiated upon, resulting in a handful of malicious trolling versions. This appears to have raised her profile enough to come to the attention of the likely, same party of trolls, who then issued their threats for which GG was again blamed with no evidence.

It's been the same routine from the start.

Make sweeping allegations against a marginalized group with no more evidence than a heavy dose of slander to support the accusations. The world has a bit of history with this sort of thing, but it's sad that it remains as powerful in the digital age when people have access to the primary resources surrounding this issue, but most are still content to form their opinions through the mass media.

This is not to say that I deny that some/all of these threats could be gaming from gamers/GG supporters, but unlike the majority of frothing anti-ggs who are content to accept things at face value, I prefer proof before I arrive at a conclusion.

"I saw Goody Proctor dancing with the devil in the forest."

"Listen and believe."

From what I heard zoey lied about being a SJW and lied about a bunch of other stuff according to the ex boyfriend, but some of this may be hard to believe. I probably need to read the zoe post again to confirm this., but I hate giving the guy attention since he has not acted that responsibly after writing that blog post which makes it very hard to believe some of the stuff he wrote.

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#2123 Posted by super600 (32453 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

she's pissed because Anita stabbed her in the back. lol

the hypocrisy man the hypocrisy of these women has no bound. We have quite the monster to deal with ourself.

Are you talking about all three because from what I see zoey is nowhere near a professional victim. She recently talked about the amount of harassment she gets on reddit and she sometimes talks about it on her twitter and to the media.

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#2124 Edited by Dasein808 (839 posts) -
@super600 said:

From what I heard zoey lied about being a SJW and lied about a bunch of other stuff according to the ex boyfriend, but some of this may be hard to believe. I probably need to read the zoe post again to confirm this., but I hate giving the guy attention since he has not acted that responsibly after writing that blog post which makes it very hard to believe some of the stuff he wrote.

I honestly don't care for either of them, but Eron posted a complete transcript of an interview he did recently for some e-mag over at the Escapist because he didn't feel like the reporter's edits covered the bulk of the interview. In the transcript of the interview he described his strong SJW convictions and alluded to what you're saying about her being a liar about being a SJW.

He claimed that it was his entire motivation for the zoepost.

It sounds like he wanted to publicly shame her in front of her SJW peers under the guise of "protecting" the actual SJWs within his community.

I don't agree with it, but in my recent exposure to SJW rhetoric, it does seem plausible and in keeping with the Puritanical concept of public humiliation. (i.e. Scarlet Letter)

He claims that her cheating didn't bother him as he supports polyamory. He seemed to be most bothered by her hypocrisy in adopting the rather radical and abstracted concept of rape by proxy through infidelity, but then "raping" him multiple times with no apparent remorse.

I'd honestly rather not give any of these people any attention because I believe that they're all exploiting it for their own ends and I think that most of their ideas go too far to an extreme.

I'm more interested in the media giving voice to all sides and accounting for the accusations that have been made against it.

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#2125 Edited by super600 (32453 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:
@super600 said:

From what I heard zoey lied about being a SJW and lied about a bunch of other stuff according to the ex boyfriend, but some of this may be hard to believe. I probably need to read the zoe post again to confirm this., but I hate giving the guy attention since he has not acted that responsibly after writing that blog post which makes it very hard to believe some of the stuff he wrote.

I honestly don't care for either of them, but Eron posted a complete transcript of an interview he did recently for some e-mag over at the Escapist because he didn't feel like the reporter's edits covered the bulk of the interview. In the transcript of the interview he described his strong SJW convictions and alluded to what you're saying about her being a liar about being a SJW.

He claimed that it was his entire motivation for the zoepost.

It sounds like he wanted to publicly shame her in front of her SJW peers under the guise of "protecting" the actual SJWs within his community.

I don't agree with it, but in my recent exposure to SJW rhetoric, it does seem plausible and in keeping with the Puritanical concept of public humiliation. (i.e. Scarlet Letter)

I'd honestly rather not give any of these people any attention because I believe that they're all exploiting it for their own ends.

I'm more interested in the media giving voice to all sides and accounting for the accusations that have been made against it.

I don`t like the guy. The way he acts is a bit weird at times. I think what he did was irresponsible and his actions after writing that blog post have not been that great. I don`t really care what zoey did when she dated him. I don`t think the guy has an actual case anymore despite what zoey may or may have not done.I don;t think attention should be given to either of them, but I do sympathize with zoey more now.

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#2126 Posted by jeezers (3012 posts) -

Sick of listening to this, she only focuses on the woman in games that are damsels in distress. But NEVER does she bring up any of the stronger female characters, like samus in metroid. You know men get generalized with stereotypes of how our bodies look too, Have you seen gears of war, those muscles are not humanely possible especially for a soldier lol. But men dont bitch about things like this because its fantasy... its a video game. Keep your feminists rants in your blogs where they belong and out of my video games. Your nuts, feminism is poisoned and will never be what it was supposed to be which is equality for both MEN and woman. But no you think its all about you, ignore the fact that men get raped as well as woman, ignore the fact that more woman are in college than men in the US, ignore the fact it is nearly impossible for men to win custody over the mother. FF pisses me off, not final fantasy but fucking feminists.

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#2127 Posted by Dasein808 (839 posts) -
@super600 said:

I don`t like the guy. The way he acts is a bit weird and creepy at times. I think what he did was irresponsible and his actions after writing that blog post has not been that great. I don`t care what zoey did when she dated him. I don`t think the guy has an actual case anymore despite what zoey may or may have not done.I don;t think attention should be given to either of them, but I do sympathize with zoey more now.

The two of them and their dispute may have been the spark, but the explosion has already gone off and they're both largely irrelevant at this point.

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#2128 Edited by musalala (3070 posts) -

LOL I just discovered that Anita basically threw the woman who wanted to cancel colbert a woman she supported by denouncing Colbert and his fans as the "virtual embodiment of patriarchy's crowd sourced police" by going on said show ...ohhh Anita your hypocrisy is both hilarious and depressing at the same time. Way to go to support your fellow oppressed women.

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#2129 Posted by KittenNose (2469 posts) -

@super600 said:

I don`t like the guy. The way he acts is a bit weird at times. I think what he did was irresponsible and his actions after writing that blog post have not been that great. I don`t really care what zoey did when she dated him. I don`t think the guy has an actual case anymore despite what zoey may or may have not done.I don;t think attention should be given to either of them, but I do sympathize with zoey more now.

Wait wait wait, you think this guy is bad, but you have no time to arch an eyebrow at people who work for media organizations that refuse to take down sex tapes even after a judge orders them to do so?

This guy would have to release a sex tape and spend a bunch of time mocking it before he started crossing the realm into gawker territory. You keep going after individuals, and the rules they should play by. Polite, civil, respect and the like. Well that is an awesome Ideal I can get behind, buuuut.... The rules the media plays by accepts publicizing, editing, streaming, and mocking sex tapes. Making broad sweeping stereotypes (not to mention the hetero-normative white washing) of a global culture. Swearing at the customers, lots of name calling, saying they are dead and that they should be marginalized without so much as a conversation. Making 'jokes' about how degradation and violence should be used to silence that global culture they keep painting as straight, white, and male. Doing there best to keep words like gamer, nerd, and geek slurs whenever it will create a hate click storm.

Why is the standard leveled upon individuals so much higher then that of large media organizations that specialize in the art of hate reading, and those who collect a paycheck from them?

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#2130 Edited by SambaLele (5552 posts) -

@mr_huggles_hog said:

If #gamergate isn't a misogynistic, politicized hate movement, why is it that it's largely a bunch of leftist females in the industry that have been targeted?

Targeted by who? And according to what source? Please, notice how most sources that fall into this narrative that rushes to blame gamergate for any bad actions in the gaming community and even outside of it, are actually sourced by each other without going to the actual fact sources, not checking both the facts and any different versions, presuming links, and never mentions how the only party that went after the harassers and perpetrator of threats was #gamergate themselves. And finally, they never cover the many harassers and threats made against GG supporters, that are equally as ugly, but are not reprimanded or investigated (by anyone other than GG themselves again at least).

There is a bunch of leftist females in GG being targeted.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1scblte

https://twitter.com/HazmatBrigade/status/518208794401452032

https://imgur.com/Qvo6Ost

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/517817242034397184

This is what surveys (by the PoliticalCompass test) of people that uses the # declares as being their political leanings (it's still being constantly updated, all you have to do is submit your data to the user that's compiling this, already linked above):

What does this tell you?

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#2131 Posted by WozzaBoi (397 posts) -

This whole issue should not have reached this point at all. Eron's reasons for creating thezoepost are his own - what got gamers' attention was the fact that two of the accused had given her positive coverage (Arnott with the Indiecade nightgames selection or something, and Grayson with the Kotaku 50 bestb indie games thing with DQ, a VERY mediocre game, as the headliner, and his article of the fall of the PEPSI_GAMEJAM looking almost entirely from her perspective and plugging her replacement GAMEJAM).

This is what gamers were interested in, and all they asked for was the Grayson and Arnott disclose such relationships. Gamers also started looking into other areas of un-disclosed relations, such as Patricia Hernandez, and a number of writers who had financial ties to people through Patreon.

That was all they had to do - give some half-assed apology, and say that they will make sure to disclose such relationships in the future. BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT HAPPENED.

Instead, Quinn talked with El Chupacupcake (a senior mod on r/games) and the next thing you know, all 'Quinnspiracy' threads were being deleted in minutes and TB's response thread got over 25,000 deleted posts. People were naturally curious as to what the hell was going on, and so the Streissand Effect came into play. This led to TFYC coming out and leading to people investigating the awful stuff that Zoe got involved in the past year (but that is for a different discussion) until we reach the 'Gamers are Dead' articles, and everything kicked off from there.

This should of been over and done with within 3 days of it starting, but the games media (and the mainstream media now) had to kick the hornet's nest and AS and BW had to stick their noses into it as well, when no-one was interested in them.

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#2132 Posted by SambaLele (5552 posts) -

@WozzaBoi: Not embedding because of some swearing in the video (the guy does call himself Insensitive Bastard afterall). But the facts he brings up are relevant, and justify your position. It only touches the subject regarding Grayson though (I just learned that he even was a tester of the game while in development). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9LzpJMKLNk

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@Dasein808 said:
@super600 said:

I don`t like the guy. The way he acts is a bit weird and creepy at times. I think what he did was irresponsible and his actions after writing that blog post has not been that great. I don`t care what zoey did when she dated him. I don`t think the guy has an actual case anymore despite what zoey may or may have not done.I don;t think attention should be given to either of them, but I do sympathize with zoey more now.

The two of them and their dispute may have been the spark, but the explosion has already gone off and they're both largely irrelevant at this point.

I just hope the guy learns his lesson and stops hurting zoey(and the people she's close to) and stops wanting to wage internet warfare because he wants to hurt people that done stuff that he did not like.I hope zoey life gets back to normal soon anyway,

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#2134 Edited by WozzaBoi (397 posts) -

@SambaLele said:

@WozzaBoi: Not embedding because of some swearing in the video (the guy does call himself Insensitive Bastard afterall). But the facts he brings up are relevant, and justify your position. It only touches the subject regarding Grayson though (I just learned that he even was a tester of the game while in development). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9LzpJMKLNk

I understand that people are critical of thezoepost, but there is still evidence of conflict of interest that should have been disclosed without even looking at thezoepost at all - you can ignore that if you wish.

https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/reality-check-supplement-reading-for-historyofgamergate-com-graysons-relationships-308dc510c680

This is a look at Grayson specifically and his need to disclose other relations, but one thing of interest is that Grayson, Quinn and the president of GaymerX were close friends, hanging out, drinking and doing karaoke - there is definately a 'more than professional' relationship between the to that should have been disclosed in Grayson's articles

http://i.imgur.com/qKlWpNT.jpg

The other is the fact that Quinn and Grayson went on a trip to Vegas before he wrote his articles - again, no disclosure from articles

And again, like you said, Grayson was a beta tester for DQ (although there has been some miscommuniation between the two because Quinn says that he was "thanked with the rest of the testers", whilst Grayson says that he just tried a "super early build" and never "worked on the game")

http://theralphretort.com/zoe-quinn-couldnt-have-made-depression-quest-without-grayson/

For those that find thezoepost to be unethical, or a breach of privacy or whatever, that's fine. Because there is more than enough outside of Eron's word to show that their relationship was more than professional and should have been disclosed

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#2135 Posted by KittenNose (2469 posts) -

@WozzaBoi said:

I understand that people are critical of thezoepost, but there is still evidence of conflict of interest that should have been disclosed without even looking at thezoepost at all - you can ignore that if you wish.

https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/reality-check-supplement-reading-for-historyofgamergate-com-graysons-relationships-308dc510c680

This is a look at Grayson specifically and his need to disclose other relations, but one thing of interest is that Grayson, Quinn and the president of GaymerX were close friends, hanging out, drinking and doing karaoke - there is definately a 'more than professional' relationship between the to that should have been disclosed in Grayson's articles

http://i.imgur.com/qKlWpNT.jpg

The other is the fact that Quinn and Grayson went on a trip to Vegas before he wrote his articles - again, no disclosure from articles

And again, like you said, Grayson was a beta tester for DQ (although there has been some miscommuniation between the two because Quinn says that he was "thanked with the rest of the testers", whilst Grayson says that he just tried a "super early build" and never "worked on the game")

http://theralphretort.com/zoe-quinn-couldnt-have-made-depression-quest-without-grayson/

For those that find thezoepost to be unethical, or a breach of privacy or whatever, that's fine. Because there is more than enough outside of Eron's word to show that their relationship was more than professional and should have been disclosed

I do not understand why the zoe post matters. To me it seems like no big deal at all. If, hypothetically speaking, there was a hoard of guys and gals programing in the Indy scene using sexual favors to get favorable coverage then that would be about one tenth as concerning as the fact that the video game media is directly and almost exclusively funded by the video game industry they are supposed to be keeping in check. Doritogate, in which games journalists were not only actively engaged in becoming part of the hype machine, but were actively pimping the product placement, seems like a much larger issue. I mean seriously, do you know anyone who purchased depression quest because of it's coverage? The corruption in the Indy scene will never match that of the AAA scene. I mean if tomorrow there was factual proof that every press major press event had a back room with filled hookers and blow I doubt anyone would be surprised.

The reaction to the discussion of the post, locking and wiping threads, censoring things as much as possible and banning people, organized shame campaigns in which tons of insults were hurled at gamers and people proclaimed that they were dead and should be marginalized without even a chance to speak for themselves was a huge deal. The zoey post was a blip on the radar that deserved a 'meh' and no more.

At the end of the day I expect video games news to be even less 'fair and balanced' then fox news. They seem like nothing more then an arm of the publishers. I would just be happy if the bloggers websites employed we not so eager to vent hatred, bile, and scorn at gamers.

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#2136 Posted by MlauTheDaft (5189 posts) -

@super600 said:

@Dasein808 said:
@super600 said:

I don`t like the guy. The way he acts is a bit weird and creepy at times. I think what he did was irresponsible and his actions after writing that blog post has not been that great. I don`t care what zoey did when she dated him. I don`t think the guy has an actual case anymore despite what zoey may or may have not done.I don;t think attention should be given to either of them, but I do sympathize with zoey more now.

The two of them and their dispute may have been the spark, but the explosion has already gone off and they're both largely irrelevant at this point.

I just hope the guy learns his lesson and stops hurting zoey(and the people she's close to) and stops wanting to wage internet warfare because he wants to hurt people that done stuff that he did not like.I hope zoey life gets back to normal soon anyway,

Why do you care so much about her specifically? You seem bizarrely personal, to the degree where I'm not sure wether or not you're being serious.

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#2137 Edited by KungfuKitten (26635 posts) -

@musalala said:

LOL I just discovered that Anita basically threw the woman who wanted to cancel colbert a woman she supported by denouncing Colbert and his fans as the "virtual embodiment of patriarchy's crowd sourced police" by going on said show ...ohhh Anita your hypocrisy is both hilarious and depressing at the same time. Way to go to support your fellow oppressed women.

I find their usage of the word patriarchy rather damning and sexist. The idea that the society is in a bad place because there are too many men in power is about as sexist as you can get. Maybe throw in the idea that they are predominantly white too and get some more attention. It's even worse when something so sexist is outed by a feminist of all people who were supposedly standing for equal rights and opportunity between the sexes. Oops.

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#2138 Posted by super600 (32453 posts) -

@MlauTheDaft said:

@super600 said:

@Dasein808 said:
@super600 said:

I don`t like the guy. The way he acts is a bit weird and creepy at times. I think what he did was irresponsible and his actions after writing that blog post has not been that great. I don`t care what zoey did when she dated him. I don`t think the guy has an actual case anymore despite what zoey may or may have not done.I don;t think attention should be given to either of them, but I do sympathize with zoey more now.

The two of them and their dispute may have been the spark, but the explosion has already gone off and they're both largely irrelevant at this point.

I just hope the guy learns his lesson and stops hurting zoey(and the people she's close to) and stops wanting to wage internet warfare because he wants to hurt people that done stuff that he did not like.I hope zoey life gets back to normal soon anyway,

Why do you care so much about her specifically? You seem bizarrely personal, to the degree where I'm not sure wether or not you're being serious.

I just feel sorry for what is happening to her still.

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#2141 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (1882 posts) -

@notorious1234na said:

why its the internet and shes milking you idiots:

Shes laughing straight to the bank with this (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)

Posting the same thing over and over doesn't make it anymore valid

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#2142 Edited by Shinobishyguy (22928 posts) -

Tonight on the oppression olympics;

literally who vs. Literally Wu

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#2143 Posted by DerekLoffin (9089 posts) -

@Shinobishyguy said:

Tonight on the oppression olympics;

literally who vs. Literally Wu

So, what.. this is Brianna saying she's most harassed and ... Zoey (this is the part I'm really unsure of as I don't know the 2nd twitter name, but I vaguely recall it being Zoey's) being highly dubious (and I would be too if it is Zoey)?

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#2144 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22928 posts) -

@DerekLoffin: they're having a pissing contest to see who's the most harassed figure in gamergate.

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#2145 Edited by WozzaBoi (397 posts) -

Not sure if people have seen it, but Pakman has been asking anti-GG people to have a discussion with him, and all of them have refused (except Wu, of course)

When he asked Quinn to come on the show, she refused and is now saying that he is pressuring her and now her twitter army are attacking Pakman for not being a 'true feminist' and supporting a hate group (for being nothing more than a neutral party trying to open a dialogue)

http://i.imgur.com/G2LLywe.png

And TB is angry about it

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/nh5575

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#2146 Posted by Bigboi500 (35550 posts) -

Sarkeesian is the new Beck.

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#2147 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (1882 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

Sarkeesian is the new Beck.

At least Beck has dialogue with people holding opposing views

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#2148 Posted by musalala (3070 posts) -

@vl4d_l3nin said:

@Bigboi500 said:

Sarkeesian is the new Beck.

At least Beck has dialogue with people holding opposing views

I actually like beck ...at least he is entertaining Anita not so much

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This is painful to listen to, the levels of BBC journalism is pretty low, the final version that got put out on the BBC got condensed to 1 minute long.

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#2150 Posted by Minishdriveby (10519 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:

Interview with "misogynist" TotalBiscuit.

A reviewer shouldn't be held accountable for the meta-critic score and whether or not the developer gets their contracted bonus. It would be more unethical for a reviewer to withhold information/thoughts/opinions from readers because of the contracted bonus. Reviewers and reviews shouldn't be under attack here, the publishers and contracts should.