Gameinformer's GOTY

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Zophar87"]

So you're saying they needed DLC in order to fix the ending? That's unacceptable.

Zophar87

It's still unacceptable. We play in an industry that thinks they can fix every last thing with a patch or DLC. It's stupid, just spend a little extra time on the game instead of giving us this @#$%. BioWare released a glittering dog turd and people like you are calling it Game of the Year.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] At least they fixed the ending, for free.texasgoldrush

It's still unacceptable. We play in an industry that thinks they can fix every last thing with a patch or DLC. It's stupid, just spend a little extra time on the game instead of giving us this @#$%. BioWare released a glittering dog turd and people like you are calling it Game of the Year.

This isn't an issue with bugs. Also comparing ME3 to FF6 is completely ludicrous, Terra Branford had more emotional/character development in one pixel then Commander Sheppard had in three games. Face it, ME3 is living proof that the industry is going downhill.

Ending sucked. Choices sucked. Forced multiplayer sucked. Lore sucked. Level design sucked. One-dimensional characters sucked. Deus ex machina sucked. inb4 "you just don't get it"Zeviander

Ending- It was OK, could have been handled better

Choices- They were awesome

Multiplayer- Not necessary to beat the game

Lore- Matter of opinion

Level Design- Best in the series, and what many TPS should strive for

Characters- Hardly one-dimensional. You're just hating on it now.

Deus ex machina- Relates back to the ending, it could have been handled better. They planted the seed for it, but it still felt jarring.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Zophar87"]

It's still unacceptable. We play in an industry that thinks they can fix every last thing with a patch or DLC. It's stupid, just spend a little extra time on the game instead of giving us this @#$%. BioWare released a glittering dog turd and people like you are calling it Game of the Year.

Zophar87

This isn't an issue with bugs. Also comparing ME3 to FF6 is completely ludicrous, Terra Branford had more emotional/character development in one pixel then Commander Sheppard had in three games. Face it, ME3 is living proof that the industry is going downhill.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Ending sucked. Choices sucked. Forced multiplayer sucked. Lore sucked. Level design sucked. One-dimensional characters sucked. Deus ex machina sucked. inb4 "you just don't get it"Stringerboy

Also to add to the pile:

-Priority Earth sucked

-Kai Leng

-Terrible "sidequests"

-The opening sucked

-Only one hub world

-No planet exploration whatsoever

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and it will win numerous GOTYs, get over it.Zeviander

another place where the game scored very well...

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and it will win numerous GOTYs, get over it.CaseyWegner

another place where the game scored very well...

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]and it will win numerous GOTYs, get over it.CaseyWegner

another place where the game scored very well...

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Ending sucked. Choices sucked. Forced multiplayer sucked. Lore sucked. Level design sucked. One-dimensional characters sucked. Deus ex machina sucked. inb4 "you just don't get it"texasgoldrush

How dare you say that about a random person on the internet? He clearly knows more than all the critics that praised the game :P

now seriously, I havent played it yet but from what I read most people say the game is good besides the ending. Really? are people cr4ping all over an entire game because of the ending? Again, even though I havent seen it yet I'm absolutely sure people are overreacting about it. If the game deserves Goty by itself I dont see how it must be denied to it because of a bad ending. Thats idiotic and imature to say the least.

Fan vote influenced by the haters. Remember the villian vote here on Gamespot where Sephiroth was knocked out the first round by a Gears of War baddie......as much as I think Seph is overrated, that was clear hatred that drove that poll. I trust editors more than "fans".texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

Also to add to the pile:

-Priority Earth sucked

-Kai Leng

-Terrible "sidequests"

-The opening sucked

-Only one hub world

-No planet exploration whatsoever

Stringerboy

- What tone? Slogging through mindless waves of enemies with no music and a bland background?

- He looks like something out of a japanese Anime, no place in Mass Effect whatsover, Harbinger should have been the main antagonist

- I'm talking about the stupid eavesdropping quests where you to have deliver random items to people. Couldn't thry think of anything better than that?

- The opening was confusing and didn't give you enough time to feel like Earth was special. Maybe if we got to walk around a bit and interact with characters it would have been better.

- ME1 had Feros, Noveria and the citadel, and ME2 had Ilium, Omega and the Citadel. Now there's only one. No excuse here.

- I agree it would have been slighty peculiar plot wise but they could have at least had SOMETHING. This was kind of what mass effect was supposed to be about anyway, exploring a galaxy.

I agree with this. Game was amazing. I would like to say I don't understand all the hate it receved, but knowing peoples whiny nature it really didn't surprise me. People will cry and complain about anything.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Fan vote influenced by the haters. Remember the villian vote here on Gamespot where Sephiroth was knocked out the first round by a Gears of War baddie......as much as I think Seph is overrated, that was clear hatred that drove that poll. I trust editors more than "fans".SciFiRPGfan

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Only by people who don't know a damn thing about science-fiction.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Ending sucked. Choices sucked. Forced multiplayer sucked. Lore sucked. Level design sucked. One-dimensional characters sucked. Deus ex machina sucked. inb4 "you just don't get it"Stringerboy

Also to add to the pile:

-Priority Earth sucked Didact: The atmosphere and gameplay segments were good but anybody who played ME2 should be very dissapointed with it. I expected to lose a big chunk of War Assets in the first fight alone. I expected to assign different races to different tasks like with squad mates in ME2, that didn't happen in ME3.

-Kai Leng Didact: He would have been so much more meaningfull had he been a squadmate in ME2. He should have at least shown up earlier in the game. Although I admit the scene with Thane was fantastic. p>

-Terrible "sidequests" Didact: 90% of them sucked because they were either fetch quests or recycled multiplayer maps. The Grissom and Geth missions were alright but I would have preferred loyalty missions like in ME2.

-The opening sucked Didact: It did. Arrival set up this huge Shepard vs Batarians trial to take place on Earth, and it wasn't in the game. (being mentioned is doesn't matter). Imagine Shepard in handcuffs, the Hegemony wanting to kill Shepard right there but Andersonr and Ashley defending him, the Council Holograms trying to make sense of everything, Shepard saying the Reapers are coming and nobody believes him. And to top it all off, the Reapers invading at the climax of the trial in an ultimate moment of irony. Now that would have been great.

-Only one hub world Didact: Apparently Illium was supposed to be in the game. I guess it got cut.

-No planet exploration whatsoever, all you do now is shoot people. Didact: They did a better job with planet scanning than ME2 but I wish there was more in level exploration.

[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Ending sucked. Choices sucked. Forced multiplayer sucked. Lore sucked. Level design sucked. One-dimensional characters sucked. Deus ex machina sucked. inb4 "you just don't get it"TheDidact

Also to add to the pile:

-Priority Earth sucked Didact: The atmosphere and gameplay segments were good but anybody who played ME2 should be very dissapointed with it. I expected to lose a big chunk of War Assets in the first fight alone. I expected to assign different races to different tasks like with squad mates in ME2, that didn't happen in ME3.

-Kai Leng Didact: He would have been so much more meaningfull had he been a squadmate in ME2. He should have at least shown up earlier in the game. Although I admit the scene with Thane was fantastic. p>

-Terrible "sidequests" Didact: 90% of them sucked because they were either fetch quests or recycled multiplayer maps. The Grissom and Geth missions were alright but I would have preferred loyalty missions like in ME2.

-The opening sucked Didact: It did. Arrival set up this huge Shepard vs Batarians trial to take place on Earth, and it wasn't in the game. (being mentioned is doesn't matter). Imagine Shepard in handcuffs, the Hegemony wanting to kill Shepard right there but Andersonr and Ashley defending him, the Council Holograms trying to make sense of everything, Shepard saying the Reapers are coming and nobody believes him. And to top it all off, the Reapers invading at the climax of the trial in an ultimate moment of irony. Now that would have been great.

-Only one hub world Didact: Apparently Illium was supposed to be in the game. I guess it got cut.

-No planet exploration whatsoever, all you do now is shoot people. Didact: They did a better job with planet scanning than ME2 but I wish there was more in level exploration.

Also to add to the pile:

-Priority Earth sucked Didact: The atmosphere and gameplay segments were good but anybody who played ME2 should be very dissapointed with it. I expected to lose a big chunk of War Assets in the first fight alone. I expected to assign different races to different tasks like with squad mates in ME2, that didn't happen in ME3.

-Kai Leng Didact: He would have been so much more meaningfull had he been a squadmate in ME2. He should have at least shown up earlier in the game. Although I admit the scene with Thane was fantastic. p>

-Terrible "sidequests" Didact: 90% of them sucked because they were either fetch quests or recycled multiplayer maps. The Grissom and Geth missions were alright but I would have preferred loyalty missions like in ME2.

-The opening sucked Didact: It did. Arrival set up this huge Shepard vs Batarians trial to take place on Earth, and it wasn't in the game. (being mentioned is doesn't matter). Imagine Shepard in handcuffs, the Hegemony wanting to kill Shepard right there but Andersonr and Ashley defending him, the Council Holograms trying to make sense of everything, Shepard saying the Reapers are coming and nobody believes him. And to top it all off, the Reapers invading at the climax of the trial in an ultimate moment of irony. Now that would have been great.

-Only one hub world Didact: Apparently Illium was supposed to be in the game. I guess it got cut.

-No planet exploration whatsoever, all you do now is shoot people. Didact: They did a better job with planet scanning than ME2 but I wish there was more in level exploration.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="TheDidact"]Add Javik to that. It was so underwhelming. Imagine finding a Forerunner in Halo 3 to help stop Truth and Gravemind but is hardly used in the game. In the leaked script, Javik was originally the Catalyst. We know how that changed.....TheDidact

And you are saying that the Gears base is stronger than the FFVII base? Nevermind the anti Final Fantasy backlash. How does Kefka go from blowing out his first opponent and then losing to Sweet Tooth.texasgoldrush

Backlash has a lot to do with it. Can you tell me Twisted Metal has a huge fanbase, when the series isn't as hot as it used to be? This is why I don't trust internet polls or user scores on Metacritic, because haters are going to be louder than fans...look at Call of Duty.

Well deserved.

ME3 is a fantastic game. Much better than the first ME, but not as good as the second.

Well deserved.

ME3 is a fantastic game. Much better than the first ME, but not as good as the second.

padaporra

So did they explain who created the Crucible?

So did they explain who created the Crucible?

Peredith

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

So did they explain who created the Crucible?

TheEroica

I know, but who was the original race who started it? It couldn't have been organic, because no organic knew the Catalyst existed, so who created it?

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

So did they explain who created the Crucible?

Peredith

I know, but who was the original race who started it? It couldn't have been organic, because no organic knew the Catalyst existed, so who created it?

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] It was pieced together over many cycles. Basically with each harvest organics came a little closer each time to stop the cycles...texasgoldrush

I know, but who was the original race who started it? It couldn't have been organic, because no organic knew the Catalyst existed, so who created it?

What? :? I just want know who created the Crucible, why there were options to control and synthesize, and how they knew how to interfere and manipulate a several million year old Universe ruling AI.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

So did they explain who created the Crucible?

Peredith

I know, but who was the original race who started it? It couldn't have been organic, because no organic knew the Catalyst existed, so who created it?

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] It was pieced together over many cycles. Basically with each harvest organics came a little closer each time to stop the cycles...TheEroica

I know, but who was the original race who started it? It couldn't have been organic, because no organic knew the Catalyst existed, so who created it?

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]And it deserves it and many many more.TheEroica

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

I know, but who was the original race who started it? It couldn't have been organic, because no organic knew the Catalyst existed, so who created it?

Peredith

What? :? I just want know who created the Crucible, why there were options to control and synthesize, and how they knew how to interfere and manipulate a several million year old Universe ruling AI.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]And it deserves it and many many more.biggest_loser

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]And it deserves it and many many more.biggest_loser

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

I know, but who was the original race who started it? It couldn't have been organic, because no organic knew the Catalyst existed, so who created it?

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Only by people who don't know a damn thing about science-fiction.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="WTA2k5"]

I don't think Mass Effect 3 is a bad game by any means, but I also don't think that a narrative-centric game which implements one of the worst deus ex machinas in recent memory should be winning GOTY awards

texasgoldrush

Just because you "physically" reversed it, doesn't mean you didn't do the trope. Within Greek plays, the trope's 'function' is: a "god" that serves to solve all the conflicts at the end of a story (aka, cosmic hand waving often due to poor writing/rushed work).

f = ma

ma = f

f/a = m

It doesn't matter which way you do it, it's still the same.

Wrong

Its not a Deus Ex Machina because it was established in the storyway before that the Crucible and the Catalyst was the solution to the Reapers. The only twist here was the Catalyst is not what you thought it was. Remember the plot was about searching for the Catalyst.

In fact, the original draft, Javik was the Catalyst, and the Reaper master was called the Guardian, who was never foreshadowed and did come out of the blue. This is one reason why they made that character the Catalyst, to make the story far less contrived.

I'll admit, I made a mistake! I didn't grab enough of your quotes for mine to be clear.

"Never mind the ending was a classic DEM does backwards... a classic DEM has a god pulled down by a "crane" to contrivedly solve the problems of the mortals and the protagonist. In ME3, the protagonist gets the "crane" to solve the problem of the god (which causes problems of the mortals). So basically, there is no true DEM as a literary device."-you

Subverting it would require 'not using it' (the fact that you said ^ subverts DXM, is why I lazily grabbed just the one quote)

F = ma, ma = F, F/a = m, F/m = a is all the same. To subvert, present F = ma as the possible solution, and use e = mc^2 instead.

"Wait wait, stop the game, guys fix this ::developer walks into scene:: (DXM WARNING). Oh wait, there's the button. Nevermind guys, I got it (subverted).

That said, synth has no explanation in the story, is presented as a "new ability" and doesn't fit the universe at all and happens to solve all of the problems to perfection. While self-destruct/control can at least be explained as commands from a satellite and don't necessarily solve everything.

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"-The opening sucked-someone (too lazy to find out who)

Was fine"-you

Not really, Starbrat is an undeveloped character that you're supposed to care about just because he's a kid who dies. And Earth is far too rushed to make it feel important. (I have a much larger issue with starbrat than the ending)

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]And it deserves it and many many more.TheEroica

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

Just because you "physically" reversed it, doesn't mean you didn't do the trope. Within Greek plays, the trope's 'function' is: a "god" that serves to solve all the conflicts at the end of a story (aka, cosmic hand waving often due to poor writing/rushed work).

f = ma

ma = f

f/a = m

It doesn't matter which way you do it, it's still the same.

Inconsistancy

Wrong

Its not a Deus Ex Machina because it was established in the storyway before that the Crucible and the Catalyst was the solution to the Reapers. The only twist here was the Catalyst is not what you thought it was. Remember the plot was about searching for the Catalyst.

In fact, the original draft, Javik was the Catalyst, and the Reaper master was called the Guardian, who was never foreshadowed and did come out of the blue. This is one reason why they made that character the Catalyst, to make the story far less contrived.

I'll admit, I made a mistake! I didn't grab enough of your quotes for mine to be clear.

"Never mind the ending was a classic DEM does backwards... a classic DEM has a god pulled down by a "crane" to contrivedly solve the problems of the mortals and the protagonist. In ME3, the protagonist gets the "crane" to solve the problem of the god (which causes problems of the mortals). So basically, there is no true DEM as a literary device."-you

Subverting it would require 'not using it' (the fact that you said ^ subverts DXM, is why I lazily grabbed just the one quote)

F = ma, ma = F, F/a = m, F/m = a is all the same. To subvert, present F = ma as the possible solution, and use e = mc^2 instead.

"Wait wait, stop the game, guys fix this ::developer walks into scene:: (DXM WARNING). Oh wait, there's the button. Nevermind guys, I got it (subverted).

That said, synth has no explanation in the story, is presented as a "new ability" and doesn't fit the universe at all and happens to solve all of the problems to perfection. While self-destruct/control can at least be explained as commands from a satellite and don't necessarily solve everything.

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"-The opening sucked-someone (too lazy to find out who)

Was fine"-you

Not really, Starbrat is an undeveloped character that you're supposed to care about just because he's a kid who dies. And Earth is far too rushed to make it feel important. (I have a much larger issue with starbrat than the ending)

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ms555"] Well then there must be hundreds of idiotscharizard1605

Frank Herbert- is awesome (the only amazing writer you listed actually)

Orson Scott- Overrated

John Ringo- Sucks

John Crichton- so so, only liked his work on Jurassic Park which the novel was better than the movie

Stephen Baxter- don't care at all about him

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]And it deserves it and many many more.Minishdriveby

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They're not idiots. They're just completely ignorant of science fiction. Tell me, have you ever read William S. Gibson? J.G. Ballard? Robert A. Heinlein? Asimov? Arthur C. Clarke? Ursula K. LeGuin? Phillip K. Dick?Ballroompirate

Frank Herbert- is awesome (the only amazing writer you listed actually)

Orson Scott- Overrated

John Ringo- Sucks

John Crichton- so so, only liked his work on Jurassic Park which the novel was better than the movie

Stephen Baxter- don't care at all about him

4.5 user score. noone cares how much bioware payed off reviewers (which is proven)