Game Pass: Lies of P benefits devs and gamers Day One!

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#1 KvallyX
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Looks devs continue to gush over Game Pass. What say you fellow SW friends? Have you given Lies of P a whirl? It's on my backlog of games to play, but I know the game has been praised. I guess gamers come out ahead with the success of Game Pass, which is the most important thing here. But with Xbox and devs also benefitting, it's a win win all the way around.

Feel free to chime in below on your thoughts!!

https://gamerant.com/lies-p-xbox-game-pass-day-one-marketing-good-result/

Lies of P Dev Explains Benefits of Launching Day One With Xbox Game Pass

In a post-launch interview with Game Rant, Lies of P director Jiwon Choi details how the team benefited from launching day one on Xbox Game Pass.

Lies of P surprised the world when it was revealed to be a Soulslike game based on the classic story of Pinocchio, one complete with a seriously dark Bloodborne vibe, and it would surprise the world again whenit would launch on Xbox Game Pass a day early. It was confirmed as a day-one game long before this, but Xbox, Round8, and Neowiz coordinating to drop it a day early was a very nice touch.

However, that's far from the only benefit that Lies of P has drawn thanks to its day one inclusion on Xbox Game Pass. One constant benefit of the service, especially for any new IP, is an almost instant community. Someone who may skip on a game like Lies of P at retail value may find themselves drawn to it when it comes at the cost of their subscription. Game Pass is a serious benefit, one that game director Jiwon Choi described as "one of the best options for us to get the game into the hands of a large community of players" as a completely new IP in a recent interview with Game Rant.

The instant community is no doubt one of the biggest benefits, but it's not the only one. As Choi described, the Xbox team provided plenty of marketing support for Lies of P, and as many indie or smaller studios can contest, marketing is one of the hardest parts of the game industry. There are so many games out there that getting a gamer's time can be incredibly trying, but Xbox ran plenty of marketing campaigns to help assist on this front.

The result, Choi says, is a huge number of players.

"The Xbox team ran a wide range of marketing campaigns for Lies of P, and I cannot reveal the exact number here, but a huge number of gamers have played our game through Xbox Game Pass. I believe both parties earned a very good result from this collaboration."

Understandably, Choi couldn't reveal an exact player count for Xbox Game Pass subscribers, but it's clearly enough that Round8 and Neowiz are full steam ahead on turning this new IP into a franchise. Not too long after its release, Choi would confirm that both a Lies of P DLC and a sequel were in development. News such as this, especially a sequel, is not usually confirmed so close to release, so it's encouraging to see.

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#2 Archangel3371
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Very good. I played this day one via Game Pass and found it to be such a fantastic game. Calling it a “Souls like” almost feels like a disservice. I found it to be just as good as FromSoftware’s best work. Thank you Game Pass. 🙏

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#3 hardwenzen
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A dev with no marketing budget made some money, while MS lost some more. Nothing new or surprising.

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@hardwenzen said:

A dev with no marketing budget made some money, while MS lost some more. Nothing new or surprising.

Xbox profited from this deal, which is great news for gamers!

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#5 Pedro
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Gamepass is killing devs. These devs are obviously lying. Look at the leaks. Speculation confirms that it is harming developers. 😏

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#6 hardwenzen
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@kvallyx said:
@hardwenzen said:

A dev with no marketing budget made some money, while MS lost some more. Nothing new or surprising.

Xbox profited from this deal, which is great news for gamers!

No such thing as profits when its GP. Epic store has a higher chance of being profitable than GP.

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#7  Edited By Saint-George
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Gamepass...for the Players...AND the developers

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#8  Edited By Chutebox
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So marketing, cool beans.

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good for the devs, glad to hear..

definitely in my backlog and will try to get to it after CB2077: Phantom Liberty..

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@hardwenzen said:
@kvallyx said:
@hardwenzen said:

A dev with no marketing budget made some money, while MS lost some more. Nothing new or surprising.

Xbox profited from this deal, which is great news for gamers!

No such thing as profits when its GP. Epic store has a higher chance of being profitable than GP.

Lies of P > Elden Ring

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@kvallyx said:
@hardwenzen said:

A dev with no marketing budget made some money, while MS lost some more. Nothing new or surprising.

Xbox profited from this deal, which is great news for gamers!

@hardwenzen is the undisputed king of sour grapes.

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@dabear said:
@kvallyx said:
@hardwenzen said:

A dev with no marketing budget made some money, while MS lost some more. Nothing new or surprising.

Xbox profited from this deal, which is great news for gamers!

@hardwenzen is the undisputed king of sour grapes.

I am simply spreading truth, and that hurts so many.

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@hardwenzen said:

I am simply spreading truth

The only thing you spread here are your legs, showing off your gonorrhea.

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Cool. Game is a little too difficult for me, haha.

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No positive GP thread goes unpunished, expect Golden to have a negative GP thread within the next 24hrs, you have been warned lol.

On a serious note, I really don't care about GP as I buy games and therefor get to choose what I play when I want to play it, not play the gaming equivalent of a lucky dip, but each to their own.

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@last_lap said:

No positive GP thread goes unpunished, expect Golden to have a negative GP thread within the next 24hrs,

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Of course they will say that receiving Xbox money. :/ Go figure.

Phil Spencer to them : "please say something positive about Gamepass! We gave you money""

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@last_lap said:

No positive GP thread goes unpunished, expect Golden to have a negative GP thread within the next 24hrs, you have been warned lol.

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@loudheadphones said:

Of course they will say that receiving Xbox money. :/ Go figure.

Phil Spencer to them : "please say something positive about Gamepass! We gave you money""

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@kvallyx: "The only thing you spread here are your legs, showing off your gonorrhea."

🤣

Misery loves company.

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Lmao, what did I just read?!

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@loudheadphones said:

Of course they will say that receiving Xbox money. :/ Go figure.

Phil Spencer to them : "please say something positive about Gamepass! We gave you money""

Link?🔗

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I played the demo for a while but it did not make me want to get the full game unfortunately. I was hoping for a good Bloodborne homage, but it missed the mark for me. Given how deep I want to get into these types of games, I can't play one half heartedly and try to convince myself I am enjoying it, especially when I can easily start a new character in a game I already have and can enjoy over and over.

I wonder if the mod scene has tried to enhance this game and how successful they have been in tweaking the gameplay, enemy AI, hitboxes, etc?

Congrats to the devs and the people who enjoyed it. I hope they keep trying.

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@ghostofgolden said:
@last_lap said:

No positive GP thread goes unpunished, expect Golden to have a negative GP thread within the next 24hrs, you have been warned lol.

I know you'll have a captive audience waiting for it, 20hrs and counting 🤣

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Wow. A small developer was bullied into saying something nice about a failure.

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#26  Edited By SecretPolice
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Uncle Phil is just killin it. lol :P

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@Syn_Valence said:

Wow. A small developer was bullied into saying something nice about a failure.

Link 🔗

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#28 Heil68
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Not trolling-

How do developers make their money off Game Pass. Say they spent $50 million to make their game? Same goes for PSN+.

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@Heil68 said:

Not trolling-

How do developers make their money off Game Pass. Say they spent $50 million to make their game? Same goes for PSN+.

Phil Spencer Explains How Developers Get Paid From Xbox Game Pass

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#30  Edited By GhostOfGolden
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@Heil68 said:

Not trolling-

How do developers make their money off Game Pass. Say they spent $50 million to make their game? Same goes for PSN+.

I know another poster provided a link, but it’s just a bunch of word vomit. Read it and tell me it’s not lol.

There’s a few ways devs make money. With this game, the dev had their marketing budget covered. In other cases, the dev may negotiate an upfront fee from Xbox and then engagement based payouts afterward. With other indie devs, we saw Xbox cover development costs, allowing the dev to make the game better. We have yet to get a good deal breakdown from a big dev. But those that have come out in favor tend to be small indie devs or games that wouldn’t have had a marketing budget otherwise.

Oh, and from that link: “Xbox Game Pass as a platform does not make any money”. Case closed I guess.

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@Antwan3K said:
@Heil68 said:

Not trolling-

How do developers make their money off Game Pass. Say they spent $50 million to make their game? Same goes for PSN+.

Phil Spencer Explains How Developers Get Paid From Xbox Game Pass

It is because it serves to push people to the Xbox Store and Microsoft Store to buy games?

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#32  Edited By blaznwiipspman1
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gamepass once AGAIN showing people whats what. Poor cows, stuck with sp8derman 2, god of war....and crickets. Theres always 2024...oh wait.

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#33 Heil68
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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

gamepass once AGAIN showing people whats what. Poor cows, stuck with sp8derman 2, god of war....and crickets. Theres always 2024...oh wait.

Oh, and from that link: “Xbox Game Pass as a platform doesnot make any money”. Case closed I guess.

SONY, current gen champ, wins AGAIN...awwwww yeahhh baby

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@ghostofgolden said:
@last_lap said:

No positive GP thread goes unpunished, expect Golden to have a negative GP thread within the next 24hrs, you have been warned lol.

Man, you've disappointed again, what a shame 🤦‍♂️

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@last_lap said:
@ghostofgolden said:
@last_lap said:

No positive GP thread goes unpunished, expect Golden to have a negative GP thread within the next 24hrs, you have been warned lol.

Man, you've disappointed again, what a shame 🤦‍♂️

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@Heil68 said:

Not trolling-

How do developers make their money off Game Pass. Say they spent $50 million to make their game? Same goes for PSN+.

It’s on a case by case basis. No game is the same when they negotiate the Game Pass access.

The good news is that it’s profitable for MS and the devs and it gives gamers access to the game on Game Pass.

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#37 Mozelleple112
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Lies of P was an absolutely brilliant day 1 add to the GamePass. Thank you Phil!!

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#39  Edited By Pedro
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Great for the folks who enjoyed the game