Future GOAT The Last of Us Part II More Details

Great watch from Naughty Dog, here are some points from the panel regarding the future GOAT The Last of Us Part II:

- The trailer might not be from the game, Troy Baker said it was non-canon, Neil was hesitant about that though. Might not have wanted that revealed.

- The first game was more about the "love" between the two characters and the building of their relationship. This will be more about the "hate" and the repercussions of Joel's decision.

- You'll play the game as Ellie. The gameplay will be different from The Last of Us, some mechanics will be modified and others will be new.

And there you have it folks, some extra details from the future GOAT The Last of Us Part II.

First one wasn't GOAT, this one won't be either.

GOAT and TLHBOFAT (The Lems Have Been Owned For All Time)

No forced exclusive one system game should ever win game of the year or game of all time.

The first one was GOAT, from the raining 10s to the awards to the impact it had on so many people.

What a stupid thing to say. A good game is a good game, regardless of platform.

What's a forced exclusive? Naughty Dog is first party and their (amazing) efforts shouldn't be hindered just because of that.

nah bro 8/10

When's the release date for this officially hyped 10/10 game?

Nothing like over hyping a game that is unlikely to launch before 2018. While we are at it, lets start hyping FFXVI, Halo 6, Infamous - Another Son, and Crackdown 3.

Sheep are constantly saying that they have the best exclusives. Bro, your exclusives haven't even discovered a thing called voice acting, physics and motion capture. Leave it to the big boys. TLOU2 ftw.

Nioh, TLOU2, ME4 are my top three most wanted. I want to put them inside my PS4.

There's no way this game is coming out before late 2018 at the earliest (more likely early 2019 imo).

I would, but they're not as good as the GOAT The Last of Us Part II.

I was super pumped... until i found you will be playing the whole game as Ellie.

What astupid thing to say. A game only on one platform doesn't deserve a majority vote.

i'm breaking up insiiiiiiiiiiide

what? Is that a joke?

I'm currently playing the first one right now, it's awesome but definitely not GOAT material. I'm looking forward to seeing how this one turns out.

@freedomfreak said:

i'm breaking up insiiiiiiiiiiide

Lol, that fits way too well

Why? The first game was more Joel-centered, it makes sense that the second game is more Ellie-centered now that Joel's story is said and (mostly) done.

How could it be the Game of All Time if it's going to be beaten by the second one?

I guess by surpassing the first game in quality thus earning the title of GOAT?

Either way you're asking rational questions in SW. Stop that.

@toast_burner: The Last of Us is the current GOAT but will likely be dethroned by the future GOAT The Last of Us Part II.

Or, in Game of Thrones terms, the current gaming industry is Westeros and Daenerys is The Last of Us Part II.

Definitely look forward to this. It'll be a long wait, but if it's as good as the first one....maaaan!

@XVision84: Because as a 30+ male playing the ENTIRE game as a 19 year old girl isnt appealing to me. And despite there attempt at avoiding spoilers it all seems very predictable. Joel is dead and this is a revenge tail.

Yet I doubt you have no problem with characters like Kratos or Solid Snake despite you having more in common with Ellie than either of them.

The first TLoU moved into my top five greatest games (to me) of all time. That's how much I hold the first on in high regard. I'm not really sure if the second iteration of this game will be better than the first..

@toast_burner: No i dont have a problem with playing with those characters but i have more in common with Joel then Ellie and hes a more relateable character to me.

It also comes down to plausibility. Snake can take out an entire army because hes a well trained genetically enginereed super soldier. Kratos can fight Gods because he use to be one himself. So explain how a 19 year old girl is going to take out hundreds of full grown men...? Its simply not plasuable to me.

You aren't a bad ass super soldier or a god, and lets be frank when it comes to physical strength you're going to be closer to Ellie than Joel. So how exactly do you relate to any of these characters other than the fact that you happen to also have a penis?

If it's about plausibility then how is what Joel did it the first game plausible? You expect anyone to believe that one guy could take out dozens of men with his bare hands and barely react to being shot?

@toast_burner: Im 6'2 205 lbs so no im not sure how bad your liberal studies class has ruined your basic understanding of human genetics but you seem a little delusional. Do some basic research and get back to me. If your strength is on par with the average 105 lbs 19 year old female then thats your issue but please dont act if its the norm.

And have you played the first one? He was hardly going in there bare handed. And if you got shot it took med kits to actually heal him. Is a game going to be a 1 to 1 representation of reality? No as it would be so hard it wouldn't even be fun. But its at least plausable a well trained fully adult male could survive. So unless this game is played mostly in stealth its not plausable.

You missed my point. In the game Joel shows physical strength to a very unrealistic level. Ellie is shown to be weaker and therefore by default is more on par with even an above average male.

So he gets shot and has to take a med kit to heal him. A med kit... for being shot... with a gun... yeah very plausible. And yes he can kill people bare handed.

Have you ever punched a guy? It hurts your hand and takes a lot of energy (ever noticed how boxers tend to look rather exhausted by the end of a match?), I can imagine punching several people to death will result in a few broken bones.

@toast_burner: What unrealistic physical strength does Joel Exert? I bench about 230 lbs i can squat over 330lbs. I dont recall him doing anything far beyond. Hes not lifting cars and throwing them at people are anything . And yes i have punched someone many people actually. I took Karate and kickboxed for over a decade and yes ive broken my hand. The key is placement. A punch in the Jaw or temple allows for a KO without damage. A punch to the forehead or arm usually involves a broken hand. But even in the game it was hard to take multiple people with melle combat at a time. You couldn't just go in there and punch everyone out. You usually had to pick up a bat or two by four or else someone else would shoot you in the back. The combat was realistic and visceral and i dont see how they do that with a scrawny 19 year old girl.

My oh my I hope they improve the game play a bit. IMO that's why these games don't quite make it to the top tier level. The story and presentation are all top-notch, but the game flounders a bit between cut scenes. TLoU was still a good experience overall, which is why it originally got an 8 here.

ND has been making these types of games since 2007, pretty much exclusively, so I'm sure we'll see the same great direction in the cut scenes. It remains to be seen how fun it will be in between.

@XVision84: dude the last Guardian is finally out ?

That's NOT how you spell "Mass Effect Andromeda" :P

@pyro1245:

I thought The Last of Us had solid game-play. Maybe the difference in kind could use a bit of work; the puzzle sections (water crossing, ladder moving) could use some work but overall the main body of the game-play was good.

If I would like to see some improvements; I would make enemy AI less predictable and make the level design more involved. The human AI followed a pattern of:

1. Stealth kill one enemy

2. Another will casually drift in the direction of his downed buddy

3. Stealth kill that enemy...

4. Eventually you have a pile of bodies in one place.

The only exception to this rule were areas with more vertical environments like the hotel level.

The game-play sort of starts and ends the same way with challenges largely passable using the same tactics and I think maybe more involved levels might help to mix things up. I thought that when they introduced a stage with waist high water, that would be a perfect player trap for an infected challenge but that never happened. Or a stage where the infected and bandits were in the same place. Directing a clicker using bricks/bottles to take out a bandit would have made for a fun little way for players to experiment with the mechanics.

The overall design was a little safe compared to its peers from a game-play and design standpoint but I think it's a fun game with excellent game feel. I mean you seriously feel every punch you deliver and bullet you take.

The Last of Us set the foundation for excellent potential. I hope Naughty Dog go full on :)

When I say that he takes out dozens of people with his bare hands, I don't mean he's quickly running from one person to the other mowing them down. However he does display stamina far greater than even the greatest athletes. After killing several people with a mix between his bare hands and clubs he shows no signs of getting tired despite not having much time to gain back his breath and let the bruises on his hands heal. Seriously watch that video again, he beats the absolute crap out of people, killing them sometimes with just one knee to the face. The combat is visceral, but it's far from realistic.

Besides the first game already had parts where you play as Ellie.

Well I don't think he was trying to spell "passable garbage" so the TC is fine with his post. You came to the TC's thread so you should make a thread about the game you're thinking of to see if anyone cares instead of posting about it in this one to try to make it relevant.

@toast_burner: Well this goes back to what i said about balancing realism with fun. They could add a Stamina bar but that would be boring. And i dont mind playing as Ellie some but i dont prefer to play a vast majority of a 10 hour experience with her.

I agree, a more realistic game would probably be more boring (atleast considering what the developers were aiming for). I still wouldn't describe the game as realistic even by video game standards but it's combat system is very tactile with a lot of weight to it, that helps with it's gritty and rather gory tone.

So why don't you have a problem with playing with her for a bit? If the problem is plausibility then it shouldn't matter if it's a 10 hour segment or 2, either way they'll be doing something implausible.

^This. But it will be a great multi-platform game either way....it's from ND baby!

Last of Us 2 is gonna be on more than just PS4?

Yup it will be on PS Pro as well, the all new platform that came out last month.

@toast_burner: Because i loved the visceral combat. I like when shit hit the fan you had to go head to head with them. I like how you could bash one guys head in get punched from behind , stagger and then beat the guy to a pulp. It felt awesome and was a joy to play. Now do you see Ellie taking on guys in the same way ? The answer is no and from the directors comments you wont because she wont play like that(nor should she ) so that basically means the game will have to be played with far more stealth or risk looking ridiculous. You cant tell me you could see a 19 year old girl rolling through full grown men in the same fashion and not rolling your eyes everytime it happens.

I personally would have enjoyed the option to quick switch between them but who knows Joels probably dead and just a ghost the entire time.

Yeah, this brings to mind we gotta update/revise our criteria for multiplatform, lol.

yup! :)

Thats a fair point, not necessarily one I agree with mainly because I'd like a change of gameplay rather than just getting the same game twice. It does however have nothing to do with what you originally said or at least my interpretation of what you said. I was under the assumption that you too thought this games combat would be more inline with how Ellie's combat worked in the previous game rather than her just functioning as a reskinned Joel.

@XVision84: So Ellie is this game's mc and Nate has a daughter who will probably be the future Uncharted mc. Is Naughty Dog trying to take away Tomb Raider's new thunder?

Witcher 3's gonna be hard to beat. hell if cyber punk 2077 comes out and is better than witcher 3 then shit sorry last of us part 2