Flight Simulator will be 30 fps on Series consoles

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#1 BenjaminBanklin
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It begins...

With no performance mode announced. Apparently they couldn't scale this thing down enough to get 60 fps, and I'm sure it's already making a ton of sacrifices. I knew putting this on Series consoles would be harsh. Not every game fits in a console shoe, but Xbox needs the content badly I guess.

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As expected. While Microsoft putting all their games on PC is great for PC gamers, it really exposes just how weak their consoles are. It's a double edged sword for them. And their studios clearly aren't the wizards that Sony's are.

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#3 ZeroTheHero
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Disgusting.

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#4 Pedro
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Damn! Just think of how many people would be upset because of this... I am still thinking. 😂

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#5 SecretPolice
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The BS Jive version runs at a steady 0 fps. lol :P

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Having played this on PC, I’m just as curious about the resolution and settings. This game is gonna look rough, no matter what console its on

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#8 robert_sparkes
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I expected 30fps on series s but the X should be 60.

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#9 BenjaminBanklin
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Having played this on PC, I’m just as curious about the resolution and settings. This game is gonna look rough, no matter what console its on

Yeah. FS is my ultimate ASMR game, and really is a great argument for getting the best PC hardware you can (though it's a pain in the ass these days).

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Well my Pc costs more than a PS5 and a XSX combined and I have to run locked at 30fps. But sure, keep the fake outrage going.

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#11 uninspiredcup
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Yea no surprise.

And common really. Since the genre inception, even beefy rigs be it 1998 or 2021, 60fps is "be nice but won't happen" for most.

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#12 Fedor
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Was never going to be 60FPS on console.

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@ghost_of_phobos said:

Well my Pc costs more than a PS5 and a XSX combined and I have to run locked at 30fps. But sure, keep the fake outrage going.

You do? What are your specs?

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#14  Edited By deactivated-628e6669daebe
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@uninspiredcup: When the game came out last year I went to some Sim forums looking for settings recommendations and pretty much everyone was saying to aim at 30fps. Such a slow paced game I was happy with going 30. 60 wasn't an option anyway, way to unstable. And I doubt the % of users here that can run this at 60 on their PCs are above the single digits, if any.

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#15 Sancho_Panzer
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Better than I expected. I'm amazed it's running at all.

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#16  Edited By deactivated-628e6669daebe
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@BenjaminBanklin: 3700xt, 1660ti,16gb of ram. Modest machine but being so CPU limited I'm not expecting consoles to overperform it by a lot. And even people with 3080's have can run it flawlessly so it's certainly not a GPU issue for sure.

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@ghost_of_phobos said:

@BenjaminBanklin: 5700xt, 1660ti,16gb of ram. Modest machine but being so CPU limited I'm not expecting consoles to overperform it by a lot. And even people with 3080's have can run it flawlessly so it's certainly not a GPU issue for sure.

You have two GPUs posted. Maybe that's your problem. 🤣

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Not surprising. Even a 3070 and 5900X will struggle with this game.

Series X is around a 2070 Super in terms of performance.

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@fedor said:

Was never going to be 60FPS on console.

Even my trusty RTX 2070 bring MSFS to its knees lol. Totally expected 60fps is not possible on consoles.

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@techhog89 said:

Not surprising. Even a 3070 and 5900X will struggle with this game.

Series X is around a 2070 Super in terms of performance.

That's at 4K ultra though. No one should have been expecting near that for a console. But not being able to achieve even a bare bones 1080/60 mode is telling.

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Xbox can't catch a break.

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@ghost_of_phobos said:

Well my Pc costs more than a PS5 and a XSX combined and I have to run locked at 30fps. But sure, keep the fake outrage going.

exactly ..

this looks amazing (captured on XSX)

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#24  Edited By Fedor
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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@techhog89 said:

Not surprising. Even a 3070 and 5900X will struggle with this game.

Series X is around a 2070 Super in terms of performance.

That's at 4K ultra though. No one should have been expecting near that for a console. But not being able to achieve even a bare bones 1080/60 mode is telling.

Its the most demanding game on the market currently.

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#25 Pedro
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@fedor: Damn! That game is rough on these GPUs.

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#26 Fedor
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@Pedro: Its not very cordial to your CPU either.

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@regnaston said:
@ghost_of_phobos said:

Well my Pc costs more than a PS5 and a XSX combined and I have to run locked at 30fps. But sure, keep the fake outrage going.

exactly ..

this looks amazing (captured on XSX)

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Looks great.

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#28 Archangel3371
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I can live with that myself. It does seem like an incredibly demanding game so it doesn’t surprise me that there would be sacrifices needed to bring it to consoles. It’s still something that I’d very much like to play so it’s better then not having a console version at all.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

As expected. While Microsoft putting all their games on PC is great for PC gamers, it really exposes just how weak their consoles are. It's a double edged sword for them. And their studios clearly aren't the wizards that Sony's are.

you realize even nvidia geforce 3090s have trouble running this on max settings at a locked 60 fps right? lol

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@fedor said:

Its the most demanding game on the market currently.

Yeah, those are still ultra settings though. I can still get 60 fps by not sliding everything up on a 2070. The Series X version is making no attempt at a performance mode which usually has all these effects WAY down and lower on a console.

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@killerpainrulez said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

As expected. While Microsoft putting all their games on PC is great for PC gamers, it really exposes just how weak their consoles are. It's a double edged sword for them. And their studios clearly aren't the wizards that Sony's are.

you realize even nvidia geforce 3090s have trouble running this on max settings at a locked 60 fps right? lol

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You do realize that there are these things called graphics settings, right?

You'll be playing it with everything on low/off on console lol.

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#32 Fedor
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@BenjaminBanklin: Doesn't really seem like a big deal. It's a slow paced/relaxing game and console users always seem to prefer eye candy over frames anyhow.

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#34 firedrakes
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btw 98% of the game has to be stream to you. seeing its 2PB in size.....

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@firedrakes said:

btw 98% of the game has to be stream to you. seeing its 2PB in size.....

It's a technical marvel.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@killerpainrulez said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

As expected. While Microsoft putting all their games on PC is great for PC gamers, it really exposes just how weak their consoles are. It's a double edged sword for them. And their studios clearly aren't the wizards that Sony's are.

you realize even nvidia geforce 3090s have trouble running this on max settings at a locked 60 fps right? lol

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You do realize that there are these things called graphics settings, right?

You'll be playing it with everything on low/off on console lol.

most it's usually a mix of low/medium/high wont know untill digital foundry looks at it

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@firedrakes said:

btw 98% of the game has to be stream to you. seeing its 2PB in size.....

You're only playing a chunk of that at a time anyway. If you downloaded the ENTIRE thing, which is impossible, it would be that size. But the base game can still be played offline. It just won't look nearly as good.

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The game has bad CPU optimization. It is the reason why I have not played it. There is a DX12 patch soon that is supposed to help.

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@BassMan said:

The game has bad CPU optimization. It is the reason why I have not played it. There is a DX12 patch soon that is supposed to help.

I haven't heard about a patch officially. There was one rumored to come when the Xbox version released, but I don't think there's a confirmation. This game has been out a year and I'm not expecting any optimizations on that level. If you have a capable enough system, I would say go on and buy it anyway. It's worth keeping around for the long term.

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The Medium and now this. Two 30fps games while everything is 60fps on the PS5. We can clearly see the difference in power. Cerny wasn't lying, the PS5's SSD is a beast.

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#41 Pedro
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@BassMan said:

The game has bad CPU optimization. It is the reason why I have not played it. There is a DX12 patch soon that is supposed to help.

It may release when the Series X|S versions are released because native games only run in DX12.

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@BassMan said:

The game has bad CPU optimization. It is the reason why I have not played it. There is a DX12 patch soon that is supposed to help.

Beat me to it. Looking at the graphs above which are ultra settings at 4K in a lot of places, the XSX should be able to hit 60FPS at 1080P or 1440P with lower settings.

So if there is no 60FPS mode on the XSX then this would suggest a CPU problem (or more specifically the game making crap use of the CPU problem).

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@hardwenzen said:

The Medium and now this. Two 30fps games while everything is 60fps on the PS5. We can clearly see the difference in power. Cerny wasn't lying, the PS5's SSD is a beast.

you will see the medium runs worse on ps5 when it releases

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@killerpainrulez said:
@hardwenzen said:

The Medium and now this. Two 30fps games while everything is 60fps on the PS5. We can clearly see the difference in power. Cerny wasn't lying, the PS5's SSD is a beast.

you will see the medium runs worse on ps5 when it releases

No you won't. When in split screen mode, one screen will run on the gpu while the other is fully handled by the ssd.

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@BenjaminBanklin: That's because the base target is an Xbox Series S

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#46  Edited By killerpainrulez
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@hardwenzen said:
@killerpainrulez said:
@hardwenzen said:

The Medium and now this. Two 30fps games while everything is 60fps on the PS5. We can clearly see the difference in power. Cerny wasn't lying, the PS5's SSD is a beast.

you will see the medium runs worse on ps5 when it releases

No you won't. When in split screen mode, one screen will run on the gpu while the other is fully handled by the ssd.

you realize alot of the recent multiplatform games have been running at higher resolutions on xbox series x than ps5 right?

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@killerpainrulez said:
@hardwenzen said:
@killerpainrulez said:
@hardwenzen said:

The Medium and now this. Two 30fps games while everything is 60fps on the PS5. We can clearly see the difference in power. Cerny wasn't lying, the PS5's SSD is a beast.

you will see the medium runs worse on ps5 when it releases

No you won't. When in split screen mode, one screen will run on the gpu while the other is fully handled by the ssd.

you realize alot of the recent multiplatform games have been running at higher resolutions than ps5 right?

Higher res doesn't equal better graphical settings. Look at Demons Souls remake and Ratchet. Might be in 1440p-1800p but visually way more impressive than everything on the X, be it released or even announced.

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@BenjaminBanklin: 3700 lol

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@hardwenzen said:
@killerpainrulez said:
@hardwenzen said:
@killerpainrulez said:
@hardwenzen said:

The Medium and now this. Two 30fps games while everything is 60fps on the PS5. We can clearly see the difference in power. Cerny wasn't lying, the PS5's SSD is a beast.

you will see the medium runs worse on ps5 when it releases

No you won't. When in split screen mode, one screen will run on the gpu while the other is fully handled by the ssd.

you realize alot of the recent multiplatform games have been running at higher resolutions than ps5 right?

Higher res doesn't equal better graphical settings. Look at Demons Souls remake and Ratchet. Might be in 1440p-1800p but visually way more impressive than everything on the X, be it released or even announced.

''exclusives'' 99% of the time usually look better than multiplatform because they're only targeting one piece of hardware bro lol, it's always been this way.

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@killerpainrulez said:
@hardwenzen said:
@killerpainrulez said:
@hardwenzen said:
@killerpainrulez said:

you will see the medium runs worse on ps5 when it releases

No you won't. When in split screen mode, one screen will run on the gpu while the other is fully handled by the ssd.

you realize alot of the recent multiplatform games have been running at higher resolutions than ps5 right?

Higher res doesn't equal better graphical settings. Look at Demons Souls remake and Ratchet. Might be in 1440p-1800p but visually way more impressive than everything on the X, be it released or even announced.

''exclusives'' 99% of the time usually look better than multiplatform because they're only targeting one piece of hardware bro lol, it's always been this way.

That's why nothing on the X approaches PS5 graphics. It has no exclusives.