@darthbuzzard said:
@WitIsWisdom said:
@darthbuzzard said:
@WitIsWisdom said:
Look dude, you like VR, we all get it. On that note. I don't give a flying rats left nut what some paid off shitty VR reviewer thinks about a game that they need to be relevant in order to keep their broke ass employed. That's like Walmart nominating itself for best customer service and satisfaction award and then presenting it to themselves at an award ceremony that only they are present at.
You are constantly telling everyone how great VR is... and saying how the majority agree and blah blah blah.. which isn't true. VR is still very niche and shitty technology all around. Except for perhaps in the porn industry which I have yet to indulge in, but must say sounds a lot more enticing than forcing myself to use it for shitty game play again (if that's even what you want to call it in 95% of the cases).
It may be cool in some games, but to me it is no more than a gimmick.. and a shitty one at that with shallow ass games, terrible mechanics, and laughable production value in the vast majority of the so called games that make Wii shovelware look like high art.
The games VR is the best in you don't even need VR to play the damn games and you can use a controller... so what is the point? The views? lol.. I'm glad everything looks so good to you.. it clunky and looks and feels like crap to me.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if they are way off base and ass to others. I'll play on my TV and enjoy my experience (much like the vast majority of others) much more than VR.
If you think in 10 years that playing games on a TV instead of VR will be underwhelming I have a bridge to sell you. Maybe 30-50 years from now you will be right, but for now non VR is much more popular and what the vast majority of people prefer whether you like it or not.
You act as though each time someone doesn't like VR they slapped your grandma or something... lol. Like what you like man... just know people can and will disagree. VR exists for people like you... not for me. I simply expect more, and to me it just isn't there yet, and may possibly never be there.
I see you brought the tinfoil hat. Because yes, he apparently must be paid off. So are the users for this game too, I guess, who have equal opinions in a lot of cases. What you've said is just an excuse, and not a good one either.
When I say majority or most, I never talk about every gamer or every person on the planet because 95% of the population has yet to use low-end VR, let alone high-end VR. So when I talk about this, I'm talking about the population that has tried VR. It very often blows people's minds regardless of background, hardcore gamer, casual gamer, non-gamer, whatever. The best games? People love them and in quite a number of cases consider them once in a lifetime game experiences.
So apparently VR is shitty with shallow games despite people loving it, and despite this being a big meaty game. Again, an excuse on your part to conveniently ignore the truth as you plug your ears.
30-50 years is completely unresearched on your part. Just a random guess. VR is going to make quantum leaps in the late 2020s well beyond people's expectations.
Have you even tried VR? What games, what headset?
Look man, you can spew all the bs you want.. that's fine. I'm not trying to cut down something you like. Different people like different things, and I'm ok with that. His job hinges on the success of the content and those giving good reviews obviously like VR and are already on board... it shows and proves absolutely nothing. If I were to play the game and didn't like it then I could give a shit less what other people think. That said, I'm not saying I wouldn't like the game.. it just doesn't look like anything special to me (perhaps a leap for VR.. but for me that isn't saying much). However, I have been wrong about games before, so who knows.
Yes, I do own a PSVR and yes I have used Oculus although I don't own one I know two people that do and I have used both. It just isn't for me. I don't care much at all for any of the exclusive VR games (I own several VR games for PS inlcuding VR only and games that don't need it as well, including the so called critically acclaimed ones).. and the VR games I did slightly enjoy wasn't because of the VR function since I could still use the much more responsive controller and not have to use the shitty VR controls.
Alluding to the fact you understand over 95% of people haven't even tried or give a shit about VR but then talk about how great everyone thinks it is.. well that is absolutely hilarious. People buy what they want.. you think 95% of people can't afford it or something? Perhaps they don't know it exists? No... they just don't give a shit, mostly due to the fact that they either don't care at all or tried it and didn't like it. I tried it.. gave it a fair chance, and I think it blows donkey nuts for the most part. Not entirely.. I did slightly enjoy my time in Ace Combat and a had a couple other experiences that weren't all that bad. That said, do I feel it is worth the price of entry? No. Do I feel it is better than non VR? No. Do I feel there are good games and experiences I can't get anywhere else? No. Do I feel that the technology is there yet? No. Do I feel like the headsets are small enough and comfortable? No. Do I feel the experience is seamless and pulls me in? No (mostly due to all the cords and bulkiness) Do I feel like there is still room for a lot of improvement? Yes. Do I think that in the future VR will be a lot better? Yes, most likely.
All said, my opinion doesn't detract from your opinion though... We obviously have differing views, and that's fine, it's what makes the world turn and keeps it from growing stagnant. I have a buddy that talked me into getting it and he absolutely LOVES it. That said I have a couple other online buddies that own one and don't like it either, and 10-20 times that number that don't care about it at all. The vast majority of people I know have little to absolutely no interest in VR whatsoever at all. Of all the gaming related things I own in my entire collection (and I own nearly 4,000 physical copy games, just about every console you can imagine, countless peripherals, and PC games new and old) I have the most regret about purchasing my PSVR and it sits there collecting dust. I just haven't seen anything that interests me (especially since the experience for me wasn't a good one... perhaps I expected more). I mainly got it for a couple so called tactical shooters, and I didn't care for either of them. Tactical "walking" (without the ability to run), twitchy arms, horrible control, bad detection, shitty aim (can't even look down a scope), etc.. Felt more like a shitty version of airsoft than anything else, and the constant sound of your gun clanking off of every surface because of terrible collision detection.
Maybe I'm just not that easily impressed since I actually lived that life and it is nowhere close to its real life counterpart. I served in the USMC as an 0311 and did two combat tours in Fallujah Iraq. Maybe it deadened my sense to VR a bit and if I hadn't had that experience I may feel differently.. I don't know, it's hard to say. My buddy who loves it even brought that up and said since he was never there perhaps it was the closest he would ever get. Although you can get 1,000 times closer just going to a shooting range or paying to walk through a live fire kill house or tactical target range.
My guess of how long it will take to be truly ready (to even have a chance at mainstream) or be better than using a regular tv is a guess. Yes, I know, which I already said, but you are guessing as well.. which means neither of us know for sure, so acting as though you do is once again laughable. You see how that works? We are on different ends of the spectrum. You think it's great and mind blowing. I think it isn't ready yet and is a sub-par experience dragged down by shovelware and poor integration. There will be people that agree with one of us and others that think it's simply ok. To each their own.
I already told you that his review and thoughts on the game are shared by most people who have given feedback about the game - users included. Therefore he isn't some special case. Whether you think it looks special or not is also irrelevant considering VR games need to be played, not looked at.
You say you've played the critically acclaimed PSVR games, which ones? Ace Combat is the only thing you mentioned. The control issues you have are a PSVR problem and are not relevant on the Oculus / Valve Index side. You don't have tracking issues, or problematic control schemes, because things just work there.
And seriously dude? The 95% considers everyone who's never used or tried VR at all. It's obvious that not a lot of people would have interest before they try it because no one really knows what VR is until they try it, and it's only recently become more accessible for average people with Oculus Quest.
Also are you really saying Ace Combat 7 was better on a flatscreen? I mean if you were to compare 10 minutes of gameplay from each because the VR section is super short.
I'm not making some random guess on that timeline like you are. I'm using my knowledge of research to figure out how likely certain advancements are within certain timeframes. You wouldn't believe me if I told you what's likely to come in a decade.
Well, I appreciate you changing your tone and just discussing more, and I realize that the 95% who don't own VR include those that have never tried it. However, I feel the vast majority of that 95% hasn't purchased VR because they were much like me and had little to no interest to begin with. They haven't seen anything that blows them away yet and in most cases the quality of the games just isn't there yet, and they know that. People know it exists, it's not like it's some sort of secret.
That said, I did get the PSVR. I'm not saying I don't see how others don't like it, It obviously just isn't for me. I guess I was expecting more and it didn't deliver on even my lowest expectations outside of thinking some textures and objects looked kind of cool. However it wasn't in a game sense I thought was cool, it was more of just a cool thing you could see from time to time. I feel that VR will have more practical application in things like architecture, virtual tours, and virtual vacations moving forward more than games... and as I said before, of course the porn industry.
Now I'm not saying that VR gaming has no chance or that in the future it might not be mind blowing on a gaming scale, but I just don't feel it is there yet. I truly feel as though it is a couple of more generations out at the least of hitting that sweet spot between affordability, accessibility, power, functionality, practicality, and relevance.
I can see where a game like this is exciting for the VR community. It is games of this quality or higher that are needed to get more people on board which in turn will ensure more higher quality games coming down the pipelines. The problem is however with such a low attach rate to what is available that even if there is a killer app it wont make a big enough splash to repaint the near future of the industry.
I must say that I did enjoy Ace Combat 7 in VR... however, yet again, like is often the case they skimped on the availability of the feature. I just feel they should have gone all in or there was no point. Playing that game online in MP with VR would have been pretty sweet... but it wasn't in the game..
The ideas are there, but the execution is not. That is just how I feel at this point in time. I feel as though maybe by 2030-2035 IF they can shrink the devices down to something like google glass (something I actually thought looked pretty badass) then it will definitely be huge.. as long as it doesn't weigh too much and has decent battery life, and perhaps just ONE cord that needs to be plugged in if you want it charging while using the device.
Honestly, I can see something like Stadia only in a lightweight VR headset or glasses killing it. We are on the brink of each, but not really combining the two.. which is where I feel they could both really shine, and by like 2040-2050 could be very commonplace like consoles, PC's, tablets, or cell phones. I just don't see it blowing up and being commonplace much sooner than that.
I'll be the first to admit if I am wrong though. Sure, it's just a guess, but it's educated based off of what I have seen in the past. I don't want to see the tech fail, and I think at some point it will be huge. I just don't think it will happen as fast as you think.. and even so, it will have to be absolutely mind blowing to pull me away from playing on my couch in front of my flatscreen.
I mean if they can make something that is like a pair of sunglasses that can transform into essentially a VR screen or look like a 100 inch flatscreen, have internet accessibility, etc. and it can play all the newest games (with or without the use of a controller... perhaps using a phone, other movement devices, or something new) then they will have a hit. Especially if it's easy to turn on and off and is an all in one device, has no loading, is easy to connect to wifi or other internet sources and is affordable (which that last one is the biggest thing I doubt, which is why I don't feel it will be anytime soon). I can see them coming out with something like that within the next 10 years, but if it costs $1,000 or more it wont sell well. They are going to have to create something like I am talking about that is in the $300-$600 range or it has little to no chance of going mainstream anytime soon. That is why I was saying I think it will be 30-50 years before anything like that goes mainstream. Google gave up on the endeavor because although it was really cool... not enough people could afford such cool toys as to turn a large enough profit to be a sustainable business model.
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