Finally we now have a AAA VR game.....

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#51 crozon
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Well one things for certain VR is definitely not dead or dying any time soon.

Coming up we have from insomniac games (makers of Spiderman) with Stormland. An open world fps shooter with robots

https://youtu.be/2Ak2h3PkY1I

And then Respawn, you know the guys responsible for the classic call of duty games and makers of Titanfall and Apex with Medal of Honour Above & Beyond. Built the ground up for VR

https://youtu.be/fC1ifv_2AXk

None of these games have movement by teleporting. Time to built em VR legs!!!!

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Reminds me of Skyrim in gameplay and graphics.

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Looks like a dime a dozen open world exploration RPG. (Which I almost always wind up getting by the way... lol) That said, it's VR, looks generic, and will likely be trash like everything else. Nothing beats playing a game on the couch, a chair, the floor, etc., and playing on a tv. That said.. VR doesn't even come close.

What an idiotic comment. First of, this is only getting excellent reviews and isn't nearly as generic as you think. It's not a crazy innovative game, but it's far from generic because of the constant scale-switching and the god form that you inhabit.

It's funny how you think everything else is trash when some of the best games of the past couple of years have been VR games. Your idea of trash must apparently be everything that isn't the game of the year.

VR can make playing on a TV look like a joke. Hellblade on a 65 inch 4K TV? I'm sorry, but no. That's not how you want to experience it. You experience it in VR the way it's meant to be played. What's funny is there's very little room for flatscreen games to improve, but VR can improve so much despite being so good already, so people are going to prefer VR more and more as the years pass. Look forward to it, because in a decade or so playing games on a TV will feel like playing ATARI games today.

Look dude, you like VR, we all get it. On that note. I don't give a flying rats left nut what some paid off shitty VR reviewer thinks about a game that they need to be relevant in order to keep their broke ass employed. That's like Walmart nominating itself for best customer service and satisfaction award and then presenting it to themselves at an award ceremony that only they are present at.

You are constantly telling everyone how great VR is... and saying how the majority agree and blah blah blah.. which isn't true. VR is still very niche and shitty technology all around. Except for perhaps in the porn industry which I have yet to indulge in, but must say sounds a lot more enticing than forcing myself to use it for shitty game play again (if that's even what you want to call it in 95% of the cases).

It may be cool in some games, but to me it is no more than a gimmick.. and a shitty one at that with shallow ass games, terrible mechanics, and laughable production value in the vast majority of the so called games that make Wii shovelware look like high art.

The games VR is the best in you don't even need VR to play the damn games and you can use a controller... so what is the point? The views? lol.. I'm glad everything looks so good to you.. it clunky and looks and feels like crap to me.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if they are way off base and ass to others. I'll play on my TV and enjoy my experience (much like the vast majority of others) much more than VR.

If you think in 10 years that playing games on a TV instead of VR will be underwhelming I have a bridge to sell you. Maybe 30-50 years from now you will be right, but for now non VR is much more popular and what the vast majority of people prefer whether you like it or not.

You act as though each time someone doesn't like VR they slapped your grandma or something... lol. Like what you like man... just know people can and will disagree. VR exists for people like you... not for me. I simply expect more, and to me it just isn't there yet, and may possibly never be there.

I see you brought the tinfoil hat. Because yes, he apparently must be paid off. So are the users for this game too, I guess, who have equal opinions in a lot of cases. What you've said is just an excuse, and not a good one either.

When I say majority or most, I never talk about every gamer or every person on the planet because 95% of the population has yet to use low-end VR, let alone high-end VR. So when I talk about this, I'm talking about the population that has tried VR. It very often blows people's minds regardless of background, hardcore gamer, casual gamer, non-gamer, whatever. The best games? People love them and in quite a number of cases consider them once in a lifetime game experiences.

So apparently VR is shitty with shallow games despite people loving it, and despite this being a big meaty game. Again, an excuse on your part to conveniently ignore the truth as you plug your ears.

30-50 years is completely unresearched on your part. Just a random guess. VR is going to make quantum leaps in the late 2020s well beyond people's expectations.

Have you even tried VR? What games, what headset?

Look man, you can spew all the bs you want.. that's fine. I'm not trying to cut down something you like. Different people like different things, and I'm ok with that. His job hinges on the success of the content and those giving good reviews obviously like VR and are already on board... it shows and proves absolutely nothing. If I were to play the game and didn't like it then I could give a shit less what other people think. That said, I'm not saying I wouldn't like the game.. it just doesn't look like anything special to me (perhaps a leap for VR.. but for me that isn't saying much). However, I have been wrong about games before, so who knows.

Yes, I do own a PSVR and yes I have used Oculus although I don't own one I know two people that do and I have used both. It just isn't for me. I don't care much at all for any of the exclusive VR games (I own several VR games for PS inlcuding VR only and games that don't need it as well, including the so called critically acclaimed ones).. and the VR games I did slightly enjoy wasn't because of the VR function since I could still use the much more responsive controller and not have to use the shitty VR controls.

Alluding to the fact you understand over 95% of people haven't even tried or give a shit about VR but then talk about how great everyone thinks it is.. well that is absolutely hilarious. People buy what they want.. you think 95% of people can't afford it or something? Perhaps they don't know it exists? No... they just don't give a shit, mostly due to the fact that they either don't care at all or tried it and didn't like it. I tried it.. gave it a fair chance, and I think it blows donkey nuts for the most part. Not entirely.. I did slightly enjoy my time in Ace Combat and a had a couple other experiences that weren't all that bad. That said, do I feel it is worth the price of entry? No. Do I feel it is better than non VR? No. Do I feel there are good games and experiences I can't get anywhere else? No. Do I feel that the technology is there yet? No. Do I feel like the headsets are small enough and comfortable? No. Do I feel the experience is seamless and pulls me in? No (mostly due to all the cords and bulkiness) Do I feel like there is still room for a lot of improvement? Yes. Do I think that in the future VR will be a lot better? Yes, most likely.

All said, my opinion doesn't detract from your opinion though... We obviously have differing views, and that's fine, it's what makes the world turn and keeps it from growing stagnant. I have a buddy that talked me into getting it and he absolutely LOVES it. That said I have a couple other online buddies that own one and don't like it either, and 10-20 times that number that don't care about it at all. The vast majority of people I know have little to absolutely no interest in VR whatsoever at all. Of all the gaming related things I own in my entire collection (and I own nearly 4,000 physical copy games, just about every console you can imagine, countless peripherals, and PC games new and old) I have the most regret about purchasing my PSVR and it sits there collecting dust. I just haven't seen anything that interests me (especially since the experience for me wasn't a good one... perhaps I expected more). I mainly got it for a couple so called tactical shooters, and I didn't care for either of them. Tactical "walking" (without the ability to run), twitchy arms, horrible control, bad detection, shitty aim (can't even look down a scope), etc.. Felt more like a shitty version of airsoft than anything else, and the constant sound of your gun clanking off of every surface because of terrible collision detection.

Maybe I'm just not that easily impressed since I actually lived that life and it is nowhere close to its real life counterpart. I served in the USMC as an 0311 and did two combat tours in Fallujah Iraq. Maybe it deadened my sense to VR a bit and if I hadn't had that experience I may feel differently.. I don't know, it's hard to say. My buddy who loves it even brought that up and said since he was never there perhaps it was the closest he would ever get. Although you can get 1,000 times closer just going to a shooting range or paying to walk through a live fire kill house or tactical target range.

My guess of how long it will take to be truly ready (to even have a chance at mainstream) or be better than using a regular tv is a guess. Yes, I know, which I already said, but you are guessing as well.. which means neither of us know for sure, so acting as though you do is once again laughable. You see how that works? We are on different ends of the spectrum. You think it's great and mind blowing. I think it isn't ready yet and is a sub-par experience dragged down by shovelware and poor integration. There will be people that agree with one of us and others that think it's simply ok. To each their own.

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@WitIsWisdom: Damn dude you paid that alt waaaaaaaaay to much attention. He's a VR nut job no matter how much sense you make he will just spew out the same rhetoric, its cult like lol.

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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: Next time don't post when emotional because it comes across as having a massive cry.

Save your meltdown for something important not shitty VR lol.

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@darthbuzzard said:
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Yep. Lets yawn at literally the highest rated game of 2019. That's hilarious. Can't wait until Half Life VR releases and gets scored even higher. What you gonna say then?

Yeah highest rated with a massive 6 reviewers with the top being from a VR site that needs it to succeed otherwise they won't lol.

You apparently didn't take a look at their review record because they've never given a 10/10 before, ever. Their previous highest was 9/10 and that wasn't handed out frequently either.

Yeah they need VR to succeed otherwise their site goes down the shitter there blueberry bandit, yes I know its you as only blueberry was as delusional af VR nutjob like you lol.

Haha, this is great. Another tinfoil hat to add to the fix. You're obsessed with this blueberry guy, but that ain't me.

Delusional you say? Sure... it's not like I actually checked the critic and you didn't, claiming it to be a faked score. Yeah right.

Blueberry was the resident VR nut job here, then he disappeared and you have taken his place and spew the same nonsense as him because you're one & the same.

Try to keep a lid on it before others catch on bandit :)

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@i_p_daily said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: Next time don't post when emotional because it comes across as having a massive cry.

Save your meltdown for something important not shitty VR lol.

You bore me as a gamer... But to each their own, that said you have a racing based signature I find that completely crazy that you are not interested in VR.

I have been gaming for 24 years now and have been slowly getting less and less interested with every generation of gaming VR is literally the only thing that is keeping me excited and as the state VR is right now is more than good enough to give someone like me a smile on my face and enjoyment I haven't had in gaming for years.

Shitty VR?... God lord coming from a console gamer who's library consists of sub 1080p/60FPS gaming on medium settings where most games out side of AAA or exclusives are filled with glitches and performance issues?... GTFO.

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VR doesn't really interest me. And I doubt it's going to be a major shift in gaming.

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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: "God lord coming from a console gamer who's library consists of sub 1080p/60FPS gaming on medium settings"

Ewww...you're one of those "gamers". Sucks that your interest only comes from a gimmick, but to each their own I guess. I've played GT Sport in VR, its not fun, its not life like, it wouldn't keep me gaming in any way, shape or form if my interest were dying for my hobby. The game is SO much better on a big hdtv. But then again I've been gaming since the early 80s, gaming to me is only getting better and better as I don't think I've ever been more addicted to it. The sheer variety is insane, but I'm also not easily swayed by gimmicks and have seen many come and go over the years. VR isn't going,to die imo lime most gimmicks do, it will limp on much like 3d is.

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@WitIsWisdom said:
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Looks like a dime a dozen open world exploration RPG. (Which I almost always wind up getting by the way... lol) That said, it's VR, looks generic, and will likely be trash like everything else. Nothing beats playing a game on the couch, a chair, the floor, etc., and playing on a tv. That said.. VR doesn't even come close.

What an idiotic comment. First of, this is only getting excellent reviews and isn't nearly as generic as you think. It's not a crazy innovative game, but it's far from generic because of the constant scale-switching and the god form that you inhabit.

It's funny how you think everything else is trash when some of the best games of the past couple of years have been VR games. Your idea of trash must apparently be everything that isn't the game of the year.

VR can make playing on a TV look like a joke. Hellblade on a 65 inch 4K TV? I'm sorry, but no. That's not how you want to experience it. You experience it in VR the way it's meant to be played. What's funny is there's very little room for flatscreen games to improve, but VR can improve so much despite being so good already, so people are going to prefer VR more and more as the years pass. Look forward to it, because in a decade or so playing games on a TV will feel like playing ATARI games today.

Look dude, you like VR, we all get it. On that note. I don't give a flying rats left nut what some paid off shitty VR reviewer thinks about a game that they need to be relevant in order to keep their broke ass employed. That's like Walmart nominating itself for best customer service and satisfaction award and then presenting it to themselves at an award ceremony that only they are present at.

You are constantly telling everyone how great VR is... and saying how the majority agree and blah blah blah.. which isn't true. VR is still very niche and shitty technology all around. Except for perhaps in the porn industry which I have yet to indulge in, but must say sounds a lot more enticing than forcing myself to use it for shitty game play again (if that's even what you want to call it in 95% of the cases).

It may be cool in some games, but to me it is no more than a gimmick.. and a shitty one at that with shallow ass games, terrible mechanics, and laughable production value in the vast majority of the so called games that make Wii shovelware look like high art.

The games VR is the best in you don't even need VR to play the damn games and you can use a controller... so what is the point? The views? lol.. I'm glad everything looks so good to you.. it clunky and looks and feels like crap to me.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if they are way off base and ass to others. I'll play on my TV and enjoy my experience (much like the vast majority of others) much more than VR.

If you think in 10 years that playing games on a TV instead of VR will be underwhelming I have a bridge to sell you. Maybe 30-50 years from now you will be right, but for now non VR is much more popular and what the vast majority of people prefer whether you like it or not.

You act as though each time someone doesn't like VR they slapped your grandma or something... lol. Like what you like man... just know people can and will disagree. VR exists for people like you... not for me. I simply expect more, and to me it just isn't there yet, and may possibly never be there.

I see you brought the tinfoil hat. Because yes, he apparently must be paid off. So are the users for this game too, I guess, who have equal opinions in a lot of cases. What you've said is just an excuse, and not a good one either.

When I say majority or most, I never talk about every gamer or every person on the planet because 95% of the population has yet to use low-end VR, let alone high-end VR. So when I talk about this, I'm talking about the population that has tried VR. It very often blows people's minds regardless of background, hardcore gamer, casual gamer, non-gamer, whatever. The best games? People love them and in quite a number of cases consider them once in a lifetime game experiences.

So apparently VR is shitty with shallow games despite people loving it, and despite this being a big meaty game. Again, an excuse on your part to conveniently ignore the truth as you plug your ears.

30-50 years is completely unresearched on your part. Just a random guess. VR is going to make quantum leaps in the late 2020s well beyond people's expectations.

Have you even tried VR? What games, what headset?

Look man, you can spew all the bs you want.. that's fine. I'm not trying to cut down something you like. Different people like different things, and I'm ok with that. His job hinges on the success of the content and those giving good reviews obviously like VR and are already on board... it shows and proves absolutely nothing. If I were to play the game and didn't like it then I could give a shit less what other people think. That said, I'm not saying I wouldn't like the game.. it just doesn't look like anything special to me (perhaps a leap for VR.. but for me that isn't saying much). However, I have been wrong about games before, so who knows.

Yes, I do own a PSVR and yes I have used Oculus although I don't own one I know two people that do and I have used both. It just isn't for me. I don't care much at all for any of the exclusive VR games (I own several VR games for PS inlcuding VR only and games that don't need it as well, including the so called critically acclaimed ones).. and the VR games I did slightly enjoy wasn't because of the VR function since I could still use the much more responsive controller and not have to use the shitty VR controls.

Alluding to the fact you understand over 95% of people haven't even tried or give a shit about VR but then talk about how great everyone thinks it is.. well that is absolutely hilarious. People buy what they want.. you think 95% of people can't afford it or something? Perhaps they don't know it exists? No... they just don't give a shit, mostly due to the fact that they either don't care at all or tried it and didn't like it. I tried it.. gave it a fair chance, and I think it blows donkey nuts for the most part. Not entirely.. I did slightly enjoy my time in Ace Combat and a had a couple other experiences that weren't all that bad. That said, do I feel it is worth the price of entry? No. Do I feel it is better than non VR? No. Do I feel there are good games and experiences I can't get anywhere else? No. Do I feel that the technology is there yet? No. Do I feel like the headsets are small enough and comfortable? No. Do I feel the experience is seamless and pulls me in? No (mostly due to all the cords and bulkiness) Do I feel like there is still room for a lot of improvement? Yes. Do I think that in the future VR will be a lot better? Yes, most likely.

All said, my opinion doesn't detract from your opinion though... We obviously have differing views, and that's fine, it's what makes the world turn and keeps it from growing stagnant. I have a buddy that talked me into getting it and he absolutely LOVES it. That said I have a couple other online buddies that own one and don't like it either, and 10-20 times that number that don't care about it at all. The vast majority of people I know have little to absolutely no interest in VR whatsoever at all. Of all the gaming related things I own in my entire collection (and I own nearly 4,000 physical copy games, just about every console you can imagine, countless peripherals, and PC games new and old) I have the most regret about purchasing my PSVR and it sits there collecting dust. I just haven't seen anything that interests me (especially since the experience for me wasn't a good one... perhaps I expected more). I mainly got it for a couple so called tactical shooters, and I didn't care for either of them. Tactical "walking" (without the ability to run), twitchy arms, horrible control, bad detection, shitty aim (can't even look down a scope), etc.. Felt more like a shitty version of airsoft than anything else, and the constant sound of your gun clanking off of every surface because of terrible collision detection.

Maybe I'm just not that easily impressed since I actually lived that life and it is nowhere close to its real life counterpart. I served in the USMC as an 0311 and did two combat tours in Fallujah Iraq. Maybe it deadened my sense to VR a bit and if I hadn't had that experience I may feel differently.. I don't know, it's hard to say. My buddy who loves it even brought that up and said since he was never there perhaps it was the closest he would ever get. Although you can get 1,000 times closer just going to a shooting range or paying to walk through a live fire kill house or tactical target range.

My guess of how long it will take to be truly ready (to even have a chance at mainstream) or be better than using a regular tv is a guess. Yes, I know, which I already said, but you are guessing as well.. which means neither of us know for sure, so acting as though you do is once again laughable. You see how that works? We are on different ends of the spectrum. You think it's great and mind blowing. I think it isn't ready yet and is a sub-par experience dragged down by shovelware and poor integration. There will be people that agree with one of us and others that think it's simply ok. To each their own.

I already told you that his review and thoughts on the game are shared by most people who have given feedback about the game - users included. Therefore he isn't some special case. Whether you think it looks special or not is also irrelevant considering VR games need to be played, not looked at.

You say you've played the critically acclaimed PSVR games, which ones? Ace Combat is the only thing you mentioned. The control issues you have are a PSVR problem and are not relevant on the Oculus / Valve Index side. You don't have tracking issues, or problematic control schemes, because things just work there.

And seriously dude? The 95% considers everyone who's never used or tried VR at all. It's obvious that not a lot of people would have interest before they try it because no one really knows what VR is until they try it, and it's only recently become more accessible for average people with Oculus Quest.

Also are you really saying Ace Combat 7 was better on a flatscreen? I mean if you were to compare 10 minutes of gameplay from each because the VR section is super short.

I'm not making some random guess on that timeline like you are. I'm using my knowledge of research to figure out how likely certain advancements are within certain timeframes. You wouldn't believe me if I told you what's likely to come in a decade.

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Yeah highest rated with a massive 6 reviewers with the top being from a VR site that needs it to succeed otherwise they won't lol.

You apparently didn't take a look at their review record because they've never given a 10/10 before, ever. Their previous highest was 9/10 and that wasn't handed out frequently either.

Yeah they need VR to succeed otherwise their site goes down the shitter there blueberry bandit, yes I know its you as only blueberry was as delusional af VR nutjob like you lol.

Haha, this is great. Another tinfoil hat to add to the fix. You're obsessed with this blueberry guy, but that ain't me.

Delusional you say? Sure... it's not like I actually checked the critic and you didn't, claiming it to be a faked score. Yeah right.

Blueberry was the resident VR nut job here, then he disappeared and you have taken his place and spew the same nonsense as him because you're one & the same.

Try to keep a lid on it before others catch on bandit :)

Right, because there isn't room for more than one. Look around, we're in system wars dude. You should probably expect there to be quite a few people representing a platform here. Keep drinking the coolaid.

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#62  Edited By DarthBuzzard
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: "God lord coming from a console gamer who's library consists of sub 1080p/60FPS gaming on medium settings"

Ewww...you're one of those "gamers". Sucks that your interest only comes from a gimmick, but to each their own I guess. I've played GT Sport in VR, its not fun, its not life like, it wouldn't keep me gaming in any way, shape or form if my interest were dying for my hobby. The game is SO much better on a big hdtv. But then again I've been gaming since the early 80s, gaming to me is only getting better and better as I don't think I've ever been more addicted to it. The sheer variety is insane, but I'm also not easily swayed by gimmicks and have seen many come and go over the years. VR isn't going,to die imo lime most gimmicks do, it will limp on much like 3d is.

GT Sport is a crap example. Wipeout is what you should have tried, so you clearly don't have the proper representation of what a good racing game in VR is like. Most of the simracing community has already moved over to VR and you'll see the same for arcade racers happen as VR gets more integrated into consoles especially on the Xbox side.

No one in their right mind would prefer Wipeout or a good racing game VR port on a TV unless they got motion sickness or have low tolerance for the resolution that will obviously improve.

VR ain't gonna limp pal. It's gonna be mainstream and will probably start taking all the GOTY awards in the late 2020s because the quality, fun, and emotion will be so much higher than anything possible on a screen.

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I haven't found a reason to justify the purchase of a VR system. I am definitely into the technology, but the entry price point is steep without much of a catalogue, or any particular game that is "must have."

This looks interesting as I do enjoy my action/adventure games but not enough to sway a purchase of a VR system.

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@darthbuzzard said:
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Look dude, you like VR, we all get it. On that note. I don't give a flying rats left nut what some paid off shitty VR reviewer thinks about a game that they need to be relevant in order to keep their broke ass employed. That's like Walmart nominating itself for best customer service and satisfaction award and then presenting it to themselves at an award ceremony that only they are present at.

You are constantly telling everyone how great VR is... and saying how the majority agree and blah blah blah.. which isn't true. VR is still very niche and shitty technology all around. Except for perhaps in the porn industry which I have yet to indulge in, but must say sounds a lot more enticing than forcing myself to use it for shitty game play again (if that's even what you want to call it in 95% of the cases).

It may be cool in some games, but to me it is no more than a gimmick.. and a shitty one at that with shallow ass games, terrible mechanics, and laughable production value in the vast majority of the so called games that make Wii shovelware look like high art.

The games VR is the best in you don't even need VR to play the damn games and you can use a controller... so what is the point? The views? lol.. I'm glad everything looks so good to you.. it clunky and looks and feels like crap to me.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if they are way off base and ass to others. I'll play on my TV and enjoy my experience (much like the vast majority of others) much more than VR.

If you think in 10 years that playing games on a TV instead of VR will be underwhelming I have a bridge to sell you. Maybe 30-50 years from now you will be right, but for now non VR is much more popular and what the vast majority of people prefer whether you like it or not.

You act as though each time someone doesn't like VR they slapped your grandma or something... lol. Like what you like man... just know people can and will disagree. VR exists for people like you... not for me. I simply expect more, and to me it just isn't there yet, and may possibly never be there.

I see you brought the tinfoil hat. Because yes, he apparently must be paid off. So are the users for this game too, I guess, who have equal opinions in a lot of cases. What you've said is just an excuse, and not a good one either.

When I say majority or most, I never talk about every gamer or every person on the planet because 95% of the population has yet to use low-end VR, let alone high-end VR. So when I talk about this, I'm talking about the population that has tried VR. It very often blows people's minds regardless of background, hardcore gamer, casual gamer, non-gamer, whatever. The best games? People love them and in quite a number of cases consider them once in a lifetime game experiences.

So apparently VR is shitty with shallow games despite people loving it, and despite this being a big meaty game. Again, an excuse on your part to conveniently ignore the truth as you plug your ears.

30-50 years is completely unresearched on your part. Just a random guess. VR is going to make quantum leaps in the late 2020s well beyond people's expectations.

Have you even tried VR? What games, what headset?

Look man, you can spew all the bs you want.. that's fine. I'm not trying to cut down something you like. Different people like different things, and I'm ok with that. His job hinges on the success of the content and those giving good reviews obviously like VR and are already on board... it shows and proves absolutely nothing. If I were to play the game and didn't like it then I could give a shit less what other people think. That said, I'm not saying I wouldn't like the game.. it just doesn't look like anything special to me (perhaps a leap for VR.. but for me that isn't saying much). However, I have been wrong about games before, so who knows.

Yes, I do own a PSVR and yes I have used Oculus although I don't own one I know two people that do and I have used both. It just isn't for me. I don't care much at all for any of the exclusive VR games (I own several VR games for PS inlcuding VR only and games that don't need it as well, including the so called critically acclaimed ones).. and the VR games I did slightly enjoy wasn't because of the VR function since I could still use the much more responsive controller and not have to use the shitty VR controls.

Alluding to the fact you understand over 95% of people haven't even tried or give a shit about VR but then talk about how great everyone thinks it is.. well that is absolutely hilarious. People buy what they want.. you think 95% of people can't afford it or something? Perhaps they don't know it exists? No... they just don't give a shit, mostly due to the fact that they either don't care at all or tried it and didn't like it. I tried it.. gave it a fair chance, and I think it blows donkey nuts for the most part. Not entirely.. I did slightly enjoy my time in Ace Combat and a had a couple other experiences that weren't all that bad. That said, do I feel it is worth the price of entry? No. Do I feel it is better than non VR? No. Do I feel there are good games and experiences I can't get anywhere else? No. Do I feel that the technology is there yet? No. Do I feel like the headsets are small enough and comfortable? No. Do I feel the experience is seamless and pulls me in? No (mostly due to all the cords and bulkiness) Do I feel like there is still room for a lot of improvement? Yes. Do I think that in the future VR will be a lot better? Yes, most likely.

All said, my opinion doesn't detract from your opinion though... We obviously have differing views, and that's fine, it's what makes the world turn and keeps it from growing stagnant. I have a buddy that talked me into getting it and he absolutely LOVES it. That said I have a couple other online buddies that own one and don't like it either, and 10-20 times that number that don't care about it at all. The vast majority of people I know have little to absolutely no interest in VR whatsoever at all. Of all the gaming related things I own in my entire collection (and I own nearly 4,000 physical copy games, just about every console you can imagine, countless peripherals, and PC games new and old) I have the most regret about purchasing my PSVR and it sits there collecting dust. I just haven't seen anything that interests me (especially since the experience for me wasn't a good one... perhaps I expected more). I mainly got it for a couple so called tactical shooters, and I didn't care for either of them. Tactical "walking" (without the ability to run), twitchy arms, horrible control, bad detection, shitty aim (can't even look down a scope), etc.. Felt more like a shitty version of airsoft than anything else, and the constant sound of your gun clanking off of every surface because of terrible collision detection.

Maybe I'm just not that easily impressed since I actually lived that life and it is nowhere close to its real life counterpart. I served in the USMC as an 0311 and did two combat tours in Fallujah Iraq. Maybe it deadened my sense to VR a bit and if I hadn't had that experience I may feel differently.. I don't know, it's hard to say. My buddy who loves it even brought that up and said since he was never there perhaps it was the closest he would ever get. Although you can get 1,000 times closer just going to a shooting range or paying to walk through a live fire kill house or tactical target range.

My guess of how long it will take to be truly ready (to even have a chance at mainstream) or be better than using a regular tv is a guess. Yes, I know, which I already said, but you are guessing as well.. which means neither of us know for sure, so acting as though you do is once again laughable. You see how that works? We are on different ends of the spectrum. You think it's great and mind blowing. I think it isn't ready yet and is a sub-par experience dragged down by shovelware and poor integration. There will be people that agree with one of us and others that think it's simply ok. To each their own.

I already told you that his review and thoughts on the game are shared by most people who have given feedback about the game - users included. Therefore he isn't some special case. Whether you think it looks special or not is also irrelevant considering VR games need to be played, not looked at.

You say you've played the critically acclaimed PSVR games, which ones? Ace Combat is the only thing you mentioned. The control issues you have are a PSVR problem and are not relevant on the Oculus / Valve Index side. You don't have tracking issues, or problematic control schemes, because things just work there.

And seriously dude? The 95% considers everyone who's never used or tried VR at all. It's obvious that not a lot of people would have interest before they try it because no one really knows what VR is until they try it, and it's only recently become more accessible for average people with Oculus Quest.

Also are you really saying Ace Combat 7 was better on a flatscreen? I mean if you were to compare 10 minutes of gameplay from each because the VR section is super short.

I'm not making some random guess on that timeline like you are. I'm using my knowledge of research to figure out how likely certain advancements are within certain timeframes. You wouldn't believe me if I told you what's likely to come in a decade.

Well, I appreciate you changing your tone and just discussing more, and I realize that the 95% who don't own VR include those that have never tried it. However, I feel the vast majority of that 95% hasn't purchased VR because they were much like me and had little to no interest to begin with. They haven't seen anything that blows them away yet and in most cases the quality of the games just isn't there yet, and they know that. People know it exists, it's not like it's some sort of secret.

That said, I did get the PSVR. I'm not saying I don't see how others don't like it, It obviously just isn't for me. I guess I was expecting more and it didn't deliver on even my lowest expectations outside of thinking some textures and objects looked kind of cool. However it wasn't in a game sense I thought was cool, it was more of just a cool thing you could see from time to time. I feel that VR will have more practical application in things like architecture, virtual tours, and virtual vacations moving forward more than games... and as I said before, of course the porn industry.

Now I'm not saying that VR gaming has no chance or that in the future it might not be mind blowing on a gaming scale, but I just don't feel it is there yet. I truly feel as though it is a couple of more generations out at the least of hitting that sweet spot between affordability, accessibility, power, functionality, practicality, and relevance.

I can see where a game like this is exciting for the VR community. It is games of this quality or higher that are needed to get more people on board which in turn will ensure more higher quality games coming down the pipelines. The problem is however with such a low attach rate to what is available that even if there is a killer app it wont make a big enough splash to repaint the near future of the industry.

I must say that I did enjoy Ace Combat 7 in VR... however, yet again, like is often the case they skimped on the availability of the feature. I just feel they should have gone all in or there was no point. Playing that game online in MP with VR would have been pretty sweet... but it wasn't in the game..

The ideas are there, but the execution is not. That is just how I feel at this point in time. I feel as though maybe by 2030-2035 IF they can shrink the devices down to something like google glass (something I actually thought looked pretty badass) then it will definitely be huge.. as long as it doesn't weigh too much and has decent battery life, and perhaps just ONE cord that needs to be plugged in if you want it charging while using the device.

Honestly, I can see something like Stadia only in a lightweight VR headset or glasses killing it. We are on the brink of each, but not really combining the two.. which is where I feel they could both really shine, and by like 2040-2050 could be very commonplace like consoles, PC's, tablets, or cell phones. I just don't see it blowing up and being commonplace much sooner than that.

I'll be the first to admit if I am wrong though. Sure, it's just a guess, but it's educated based off of what I have seen in the past. I don't want to see the tech fail, and I think at some point it will be huge. I just don't think it will happen as fast as you think.. and even so, it will have to be absolutely mind blowing to pull me away from playing on my couch in front of my flatscreen.

I mean if they can make something that is like a pair of sunglasses that can transform into essentially a VR screen or look like a 100 inch flatscreen, have internet accessibility, etc. and it can play all the newest games (with or without the use of a controller... perhaps using a phone, other movement devices, or something new) then they will have a hit. Especially if it's easy to turn on and off and is an all in one device, has no loading, is easy to connect to wifi or other internet sources and is affordable (which that last one is the biggest thing I doubt, which is why I don't feel it will be anytime soon). I can see them coming out with something like that within the next 10 years, but if it costs $1,000 or more it wont sell well. They are going to have to create something like I am talking about that is in the $300-$600 range or it has little to no chance of going mainstream anytime soon. That is why I was saying I think it will be 30-50 years before anything like that goes mainstream. Google gave up on the endeavor because although it was really cool... not enough people could afford such cool toys as to turn a large enough profit to be a sustainable business model.

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@sonic_spark said:

I haven't found a reason to justify the purchase of a VR system. I am definitely into the technology, but the entry price point is steep without much of a catalogue, or any particular game that is "must have."

This looks interesting as I do enjoy my action/adventure games but not enough to sway a purchase of a VR system.

Same. I'd much rather wait for the technology to evolve enough beyond the janky animations, and to be more fluid in general. There's no doubt that VR is being heavily pushed, so hopefully it doesn't fizzle like 3D did in media.

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@WitIsWisdom: Damn dude you paid that alt waaaaaaaaay to much attention. He's a VR nut job no matter how much sense you make he will just spew out the same rhetoric, its cult like lol.

lol.. Thanks for letting me know man. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt at first.

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@darthbuzzard said:
@i_p_daily said:
@darthbuzzard said:
@i_p_daily said:
@darthbuzzard said:

You apparently didn't take a look at their review record because they've never given a 10/10 before, ever. Their previous highest was 9/10 and that wasn't handed out frequently either.

Yeah they need VR to succeed otherwise their site goes down the shitter there blueberry bandit, yes I know its you as only blueberry was as delusional af VR nutjob like you lol.

Haha, this is great. Another tinfoil hat to add to the fix. You're obsessed with this blueberry guy, but that ain't me.

Delusional you say? Sure... it's not like I actually checked the critic and you didn't, claiming it to be a faked score. Yeah right.

Blueberry was the resident VR nut job here, then he disappeared and you have taken his place and spew the same nonsense as him because you're one & the same.

Try to keep a lid on it before others catch on bandit :)

Right, because there isn't room for more than one. Look around, we're in system wars dude. You should probably expect there to be quite a few people representing a platform here. Keep drinking the coolaid.

You act just like blueberry as in if anyone says anything negative towards VR you take it personal like someone swore at your mother, hence why we refer to VR guys such as you as VR nut jobs

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@i_p_daily said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: Next time don't post when emotional because it comes across as having a massive cry.

Save your meltdown for something important not shitty VR lol.

You bore me as a gamer... But to each their own, that said you have a racing based signature I find that completely crazy that you are not interested in VR.

I have been gaming for 24 years now and have been slowly getting less and less interested with every generation of gaming VR is literally the only thing that is keeping me excited and as the state VR is right now is more than good enough to give someone like me a smile on my face and enjoyment I haven't had in gaming for years.

Shitty VR?... God lord coming from a console gamer who's library consists of sub 1080p/60FPS gaming on medium settings where most games out side of AAA or exclusives are filled with glitches and performance issues?... GTFO.

Enough with the crying already, if you need shitty VR to get fun out of gaming then maybe you should find a new hobby.

With over 30yrs of gaming behind me normal gaming is more than enough for me to still have fun.

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#69  Edited By deactivated-5e171d7dbd091
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MS better have their own VR headset ready by the time Scarlett arrives, I'll gladly buy Scarlett that comes with VR.

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Never cared about VR and still don't

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Finally got a few more hours in the game. And gotta say after a fight with several zombie warriors (I guess) it was fun but bloody exhausting. Swinging and parrying physically is tiring but satisfying.

Also now have an axe you can throw and recall by moving your hand towards you. Imagine what Thor does with his hammer and that's pretty much what you do in game. It feels so much more bad ass than pressing a button.

I will say this looking at the recent posts, if you aren't playing VR because you think it's a gimmick or because PC/Console gaming is good enough you really are missing out....

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@i_p_daily said:
@uninspiredcup said:

VR will primarily be used for augmented reality porn like Blade Runner.

Which will be a much better use if we're being honest.

Well stats have already shown that Porn is the most used thing in the VR space.

I am finally starting to understand the reason why the VR purists are so into it.

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@crozon: Yeah dude after a 12hr day i don't want to come home and stand up waving my arms around like an idiot to use the remaining energy i have.

I want to sit in luxury and enjoy myself, not feel like i'm at the gym.

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#74  Edited By deactivated-6092a2d005fba
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@evil_loli: That's enough of that talk, the last thing we need from MS is another shitty gimmick, if you want VR why don't you buy a PS4?

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Blood and Truth is a AAA VR game. You guys need to play it. It’s legit awesome.

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#76  Edited By deactivated-5e171d7dbd091
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@i_p_daily said:

@evil_loli: That's enough of that talk, the last thing we need from MS is another shitty gimmick, if you want VR why don't you buy a PS4?

Because PS4 fucking sucks!!! Xbox One X is by far the best gaming machine around and besides, MS has the games I like and love. My brother has PS4 and if I really need to use it as a last resort, I'll just borrow his PS4. If ever.

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That would make you a tiny minority then dude, because the vast majority of people out there don't have issues with all games. Most people can play Beat Saber just fine because there isn't a movement disconnect.

Prove it.

The "tiny minority" are gamers who like VR, most gamers across all platforms ignore it. In my experience of VR with friends, approximately a quarter to half of gamers who try it feel sick to a greater or lesser extent.

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I love seeing the know-it-alls like @i_p_daily and @WitIsWisdom end up being wrong.

First it was the "VR is a fad and will be dead soon" chorus back around 2015. Now VR is getting AAA games, and new ones are coming from Insomniac, Ubisoft and Valve themselves. Lemmings aren't going to like the fact that the Oculus Quest is in Amazon's Top 40 Top Sellers right now (along with the Switch and PS4), and the Xbox One isn't. So much for VR being dead soon.

Then it was "Vive will sell the best, PSVR will die a quick death." PSVR ends up selling the most, and Vive (not to ignore its positives) ended up selling the worst. Ass-backwards proclamations, everywhere. Why am I supposed to take these people seriously?

It seems the people who are actually right about where VR is going are the ones who actually use VR and actively read up on VR news & developments. The ones who do the worst when it comes to drawing out the future VR roadmap are fanbois who only read a headline or two, and haven't used VR extensively or even tried it, but want to be seen as serious analysts. What a laugh!

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@whatafailure said:

I love seeing the know-it-alls like @i_p_daily and @WitIsWisdom end up being wrong.

First it was the "VR is a fad and will be dead soon" chorus back around 2015. Now VR is getting AAA games, and new ones are coming from Insomniac, Ubisoft and Valve themselves. Lemmings aren't going to like the fact that the Oculus Quest is in Amazon's Top 40 Top Sellers right now (along with the Switch and PS4), and the Xbox One isn't. So much for VR being dead soon.

Then it was "Vive will sell the best, PSVR will die a quick death." PSVR ends up selling the most, and Vive (not to ignore its positives) ended up selling the worst. Ass-backwards proclamations, everywhere. Why am I supposed to take these people seriously?

It seems the people who are actually right about where VR is going are the ones who actually use VR and actively read up on VR news & developments. The ones who do the worst when it comes to drawing out the future VR roadmap are fanbois who only read a headline or two, and haven't used VR extensively or even tried it, but want to be seen as serious analysts. What a laugh!

I'm sorry, who were you again, and why are you quoting my name? Know it all huh? lol... that's great man. whatafailure.. you got that much right.. Coming from the guy putting words in my mouth and acting as though he knows what I think. Everyone has an opinion, and I can see you are obviously a damn alt, and a salty one at that. I have my one and only name you see, and I don't have to hide behind shit.

I never said VR would be dead anytime soon... as a matter of fact I said recently and have always said since the newest wave of VR this generation that VR may eventually go mainstream and be something big, but I just don't think it's ready yet. Which proved to be correct to this point (go figure).

I also said absolutely nothing about Vive.... ever, and never made any kind of guess how popular PSVR would be, and have no idea how many units have shipped. I even bought a PSVR.. and yeah I think it sucks.. but I don't see how that's relevant to the bs you are making up and the words you are trying to put in my mouth. It isn't hard for you or anyone else to pull my post history. So, why don't you go ahead and show me where I said these things? I can wait, I've got all the time in the world.. I'm retired.

You even type like that other guy (sorry, forgot his name too)... You did a pretty bad job of disguising yourself kid.. lmao

Like I said before.. you like VR.. good for you. No one cares. I don't like it yet because the games are shallow and dull and I feel it just isn't quite there yet.. and guess what? Nobody cares. You see how that works? lol... Acting like I shot your damn dog because we have a difference in opinion.

I just have higher standards obviously. That doesn't mean I am shitting on the fact you like it either.. it simply means as I stated before... Yep you guessed it.. nobody cares. Not me or the 95% of the other people that have no interest to this point.

Does this mean I will never buy another VR product ever again? I have no idea... but it has a LONG way to go before I do.. I can tell you that much for sure.

There may very well come a day where the majority of people care, but for now that simply isn't the case. I love how you try to take my opinion about PSVR (and not liking it) and trying to say I bad mouthed it or thought this, that, or the other. I don't talk for you or anyone else, and you for damn sure don't talk for me..

If VR suddenly does something awesome and knocks it out of the park I will be right there saying I agree (if it warrants it). However, I'm no fan boy and don't give a flying rats ass about hype. That's all it is until it proves otherwise... there is a LOT of money riding on the line, so of course they are going to push that shit as an alternate revenue source. Either way, I tell things as I see them. Anyone who truly knows me knows that if something is good I give it its due, and if it's over-hyped and under executed I can be as equally negative. Regardless of what anyone else thinks. That doesn't mean that I don't respect differing opinions however even if I disagree, which is obviously something that sets you and I apart.

You are talking to a true life manticore son, you think I care about brand loyalty or any one source of gameplay? Hell no.. I give everything a fair shot. That said I would much rather play ANY console sitting on my couch with a controller or on any PC, laptop, or phone right now than to keep trying to force myself to like something that I just can't stand behind at this point in time. I'm sure there are a couple/few experiences out there that are a little better than what I have experienced, but I have sank enough time and money into other "suggested" games to know that "at this point in time" (in quotes to once again show its importance to this discussion) it simply isn't for me.

Carry on with the chlorophyll

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@WitIsWisdom said:

I'm sorry, who were you again, and why are you quoting my name? Know it all huh? lol... that's great man. whatafailure.. you got that much right.. Coming from the guy putting words in my mouth and acting as though he knows what I think. Everyone has an opinion, and I can see you are obviously a damn alt, and a salty one at that. I have my one and only name you see, and I don't have to hide behind shit.

I never said VR would be dead anytime soon... as a matter of fact I said recently and have always said since the newest wave of VR this generation that VR may eventually go mainstream and be something big, but I just don't think it's ready yet. Which proved to be correct to this point (go figure).

I also said absolutely nothing about Vive.... ever, and never made any kind of guess how popular PSVR would be, and have no idea how many units have shipped. I even bought a PSVR.. and yeah I think it sucks.. but I don't see how that's relevant to the bs you are making up and the words you are trying to put in my mouth. It isn't hard for you or anyone else to pull my post history. So, why don't you go ahead and show me where I said these things? I can wait, I've got all the time in the world.. I'm retired.

You even type like that other guy (sorry, forgot his name too)... You did a pretty bad job of disguising yourself kid.. lmao

Like I said before.. you like VR.. good for you. No one cares. I don't like it yet because the games are shallow and dull and I feel it just isn't quite there yet.. and guess what? Nobody cares. You see how that works? lol... Acting like I shot your damn dog because we have a difference in opinion.

I just have higher standards obviously. That doesn't mean I am shitting on the fact you like it either.. it simply means as I stated before... Yep you guessed it.. nobody cares. Not me or the 95% of the other people that have no interest to this point.

Does this mean I will never buy another VR product ever again? I have no idea... but it has a LONG way to go before I do.. I can tell you that much for sure.

There may very well come a day where the majority of people care, but for now that simply isn't the case. I love how you try to take my opinion about PSVR (and not liking it) and trying to say I bad mouthed it or thought this, that, or the other. I don't talk for you or anyone else, and you for damn sure don't talk for me..

If VR suddenly does something awesome and knocks it out of the park I will be right there saying I agree (if it warrants it). However, I'm no fan boy and don't give a flying rats ass about hype. That's all it is until it proves otherwise... there is a LOT of money riding on the line, so of course they are going to push that shit as an alternate revenue source. Either way, I tell things as I see them. Anyone who truly knows me knows that if something is good I give it its due, and if it's over-hyped and under executed I can be as equally negative. Regardless of what anyone else thinks. That doesn't mean that I don't respect differing opinions however even if I disagree, which is obviously something that sets you and I apart.

You are talking to a true life manticore son, you think I care about brand loyalty or any one source of gameplay? Hell no.. I give everything a fair shot. That said I would much rather play ANY console sitting on my couch with a controller or on any PC, laptop, or phone right now than to keep trying to force myself to like something that I just can't stand behind at this point in time. I'm sure there are a couple/few experiences out there that are a little better than what I have experienced, but I have sank enough time and money into other "suggested" games to know that "at this point in time" (in quotes to once again show its importance to this discussion) it simply isn't for me.

Carry on with the chlorophyll

You're not easy to forget. You're the dude who used personal farmer anecdotes who told me (confessed) Trump does bad things but is still the greatest President ever. I'm still fucking laughing.

But stupid world leaders aside, you also admit to barely using VR (Ace Combat and?....you keep it damn vague when complaining about controls, locomotion. Name more titles that you've played). And then you say VR won't have a chance until 30-50 years from now until it transforms into Gucci shades, so basically don't bother with VR today and shut off all research and development. The people working on it now won't even be alive to see any meaningful adoption rates. Are you auditioning for a comedian spot at the Laugh Factory? Barely touched VR but is completely sure VR will be ignored until 2050-2070???

You mention being in the USMC before, and that VR provides no stimulation or sense of presence, but then say your TV (non 3D, limited FOV, inaccurate scaling, FPS characters with no body, feet or arms) and sitting on a couch and pressing of A and B buttons on the controller (does not mimic hand orientation in game world) feels much more immersive. Uh...okay?

I'm not saying VR has arrived and has hit its ceiling. I've been very careful in saying VR is still developing and arguably in its 1st Generation. Resolution will get better, locomotion solutions will get better, FOV (field of view) will get increase, and new VR mechanics and ideas we haven't even thought of will be created as more developers join in. A lot has been accomplished in just 3 years, despite the naysayers saying it was supposed to be dead by around 2015-16 (and then 2017, 2018, 2019...)

The Oculus, Vive and PSVR have a library of hundreds of titles. Many of them have high ratings according to gamers (since you don't seem to trust VR game reviewers and accuse them of being shills, even though they have given many VR games low to middling scores.....but yes, ignore that because you don't seem to bother with facts). I know you haven't tried many of the high-scoring ones, and you probably didn't try the AIM Controller for the PSVR which many gamers have praised as much better -- brings back analog sticks and alignment feels more accurate compared to Move controllers.

In 10-12 years, VR is going to stun you with where it is and how many millions around the world are using it. Never said it will completely replace 2D gaming. But it won't take until 2050 for it to impress the world population with what it can do. People here couldn't even get the last 3 years right, and VR is already at a far better place than what the naysayers predicted way back in 2015. Let me remind the Lemmings in here, a $400 VR headset is selling at a better rate on Amazon than the Xbox One game console, and in the vicinity of Nintendo and Sony consoles.

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I'm sorry, who were you again, and why are you quoting my name? Know it all huh? lol... that's great man. whatafailure.. you got that much right.. Coming from the guy putting words in my mouth and acting as though he knows what I think. Everyone has an opinion, and I can see you are obviously a damn alt, and a salty one at that. I have my one and only name you see, and I don't have to hide behind shit.

I never said VR would be dead anytime soon... as a matter of fact I said recently and have always said since the newest wave of VR this generation that VR may eventually go mainstream and be something big, but I just don't think it's ready yet. Which proved to be correct to this point (go figure).

I also said absolutely nothing about Vive.... ever, and never made any kind of guess how popular PSVR would be, and have no idea how many units have shipped. I even bought a PSVR.. and yeah I think it sucks.. but I don't see how that's relevant to the bs you are making up and the words you are trying to put in my mouth. It isn't hard for you or anyone else to pull my post history. So, why don't you go ahead and show me where I said these things? I can wait, I've got all the time in the world.. I'm retired.

You even type like that other guy (sorry, forgot his name too)... You did a pretty bad job of disguising yourself kid.. lmao

Like I said before.. you like VR.. good for you. No one cares. I don't like it yet because the games are shallow and dull and I feel it just isn't quite there yet.. and guess what? Nobody cares. You see how that works? lol... Acting like I shot your damn dog because we have a difference in opinion.

I just have higher standards obviously. That doesn't mean I am shitting on the fact you like it either.. it simply means as I stated before... Yep you guessed it.. nobody cares. Not me or the 95% of the other people that have no interest to this point.

Does this mean I will never buy another VR product ever again? I have no idea... but it has a LONG way to go before I do.. I can tell you that much for sure.

There may very well come a day where the majority of people care, but for now that simply isn't the case. I love how you try to take my opinion about PSVR (and not liking it) and trying to say I bad mouthed it or thought this, that, or the other. I don't talk for you or anyone else, and you for damn sure don't talk for me..

If VR suddenly does something awesome and knocks it out of the park I will be right there saying I agree (if it warrants it). However, I'm no fan boy and don't give a flying rats ass about hype. That's all it is until it proves otherwise... there is a LOT of money riding on the line, so of course they are going to push that shit as an alternate revenue source. Either way, I tell things as I see them. Anyone who truly knows me knows that if something is good I give it its due, and if it's over-hyped and under executed I can be as equally negative. Regardless of what anyone else thinks. That doesn't mean that I don't respect differing opinions however even if I disagree, which is obviously something that sets you and I apart.

You are talking to a true life manticore son, you think I care about brand loyalty or any one source of gameplay? Hell no.. I give everything a fair shot. That said I would much rather play ANY console sitting on my couch with a controller or on any PC, laptop, or phone right now than to keep trying to force myself to like something that I just can't stand behind at this point in time. I'm sure there are a couple/few experiences out there that are a little better than what I have experienced, but I have sank enough time and money into other "suggested" games to know that "at this point in time" (in quotes to once again show its importance to this discussion) it simply isn't for me.

Carry on with the chlorophyll

You're not easy to forget. You're the dude who used personal farmer anecdotes who told me (confessed) Trump does bad things but is still the greatest President ever. I'm still fucking laughing.

But stupid world leaders aside, you also admit to barely using VR (Ace Combat and?....you keep it damn vague when complaining about controls, locomotion. Name more titles that you've played). And then you say VR won't have a chance until 30-50 years from now until it transforms into Gucci shades, so basically don't bother with VR today and shut off all research and development. The people working on it now won't even be alive to see any meaningful adoption rates. Are you auditioning for a comedian spot at the Laugh Factory? Barely touched VR but is completely sure VR will be ignored until 2050-2070???

You mention being in the USMC before, and that VR provides no stimulation or sense of presence, but then say your TV (non 3D, limited FOV, inaccurate scaling, FPS characters with no body, feet or arms) and sitting on a couch and pressing of A and B buttons on the controller (does not mimic hand orientation in game world) feels much more immersive. Uh...okay?

I'm not saying VR has arrived and has hit its ceiling. I've been very careful in saying VR is still developing and arguably in its 1st Generation. Resolution will get better, locomotion solutions will get better, FOV (field of view) will get increase, and new VR mechanics and ideas we haven't even thought of will be created as more developers join in. A lot has been accomplished in just 3 years, despite the naysayers saying it was supposed to be dead by around 2015-16 (and then 2017, 2018, 2019...)

The Oculus, Vive and PSVR have a library of hundreds of titles. Many of them have high ratings according to gamers (since you don't seem to trust VR game reviewers and accuse them of being shills, even though they have given many VR games low to middling scores.....but yes, ignore that because you don't seem to bother with facts). I know you haven't tried many of the high-scoring ones, and you probably didn't try the AIM Controller for the PSVR which many gamers have praised as much better -- brings back analog sticks and alignment feels more accurate compared to Move controllers.

In 10-12 years, VR is going to stun you with where it is and how many millions around the world are using it. Never said it will completely replace 2D gaming. But it won't take until 2050 for it to impress the world population with what it can do. People here couldn't even get the last 3 years right, and VR is already at a far better place than what the naysayers predicted way back in 2015. Let me remind the Lemmings in here, a $400 VR headset is selling at a better rate on Amazon than the Xbox One game console, and in the vicinity of Nintendo and Sony consoles.

lol... You claim to know me and say that I'm hard to forget, and then proceed to put words in my mouth, and use those points (the ones you made up) to try and make me look like I'm losing the debate (which I'm not and never would to the likes of you) just like you did the first time I got in an argument with your crazy ass.. lmao.

I never said VR has no chance for 30-50 years.. I said it will likely take that long for it to be mainstream. Do you even read what people say, or do you just sit there getting red in the face waiting to lash out like a pile of dicks? I know the answer to that already, so no need to answer the question, it was rhetorical.

At least you are consistent with your bullshit like most other foaming at the mouth brain dead liberals I've met (there are a few good ones out there.. but you all aren't what you used to be, and you sure as hell don't stand for the same things).. I give you that much.

Anyways though... Either way Trump is your president for the next 4 years and VR as of right now still sucks. Doesn't matter how many alts you use or how many words you put in my mouth man... people have a difference of opinions and that's ok. That what you new breed of democrats need to understand.

Wrap yourself up in a blanket and try not to melt snowflake.. I should have known your crazy liberal ass was one in the same. lmao...

I think it's cute how you are bringing alts in though.. lol

MAGA

PS: VR sucks, but I'm glad some out there enjoy it. I'm done with you and your alts, so I'm moving on and I suggest you do the same.

Good day sir.

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@WitIsWisdom said:

lol... You claim to know me and say that I'm hard to forget, and then proceed to put words in my mouth, and use those points (the ones you made up) to try and make me look like I'm losing the debate (which I'm not and never would to the likes of you) just like you did the first time I got in an argument with your crazy ass.. lmao.

I never said VR has no chance for 30-50 years.. I said it will likely take that long for it to be mainstream. Do you even read what people say, or do you just sit there getting red in the face waiting to lash out like a pile of dicks? I know the answer to that already, so no need to answer the question, it was rhetorical.

At least you are consistent with your bullshit like most other foaming at the mouth brain dead liberals I've met (there are a few good ones out there.. but you all aren't what you used to be, and you sure as hell don't stand for the same things).. I give you that much.

Anyways though... Either way Trump is your president for the next 4 years and VR as of right now still sucks. Doesn't matter how many alts you use or how many words you put in my mouth man... people have a difference of opinions and that's ok. That what you new breed of democrats need to understand.

Wrap yourself up in a blanket and try not to melt snowflake.. I should have known your crazy liberal ass was one in the same. lmao...

I think it's cute how you are bringing alts in though.. lol

MAGA

PS: VR sucks, but I'm glad some out there enjoy it. I'm done with you and your alts, so I'm moving on and I suggest you do the same.

Good day sir.

You defend that moron like a Facebook Grandma. See that same lazy shit everywhere, with zero attempt to actually explain the terrible things he has (and continues) to do. You love dirty liars and vile people for leaders -- don't make us love your bad life choices.

VR isn't going to take 30-50 years to catch on or go mainstream. What a ridiculous statement, coming from someone who barely touched more than 5 VR games, if that. When Apple, Microsoft and Nintendo all join VR, it won't be the year 2050-2070 until that happens. What a ridiculous statement from someone who loves fake news and dirty liars.

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@whatafailure said:
@WitIsWisdom said:

lol... You claim to know me and say that I'm hard to forget, and then proceed to put words in my mouth, and use those points (the ones you made up) to try and make me look like I'm losing the debate (which I'm not and never would to the likes of you) just like you did the first time I got in an argument with your crazy ass.. lmao.

I never said VR has no chance for 30-50 years.. I said it will likely take that long for it to be mainstream. Do you even read what people say, or do you just sit there getting red in the face waiting to lash out like a pile of dicks? I know the answer to that already, so no need to answer the question, it was rhetorical.

At least you are consistent with your bullshit like most other foaming at the mouth brain dead liberals I've met (there are a few good ones out there.. but you all aren't what you used to be, and you sure as hell don't stand for the same things).. I give you that much.

Anyways though... Either way Trump is your president for the next 4 years and VR as of right now still sucks. Doesn't matter how many alts you use or how many words you put in my mouth man... people have a difference of opinions and that's ok. That what you new breed of democrats need to understand.

Wrap yourself up in a blanket and try not to melt snowflake.. I should have known your crazy liberal ass was one in the same. lmao...

I think it's cute how you are bringing alts in though.. lol

MAGA

PS: VR sucks, but I'm glad some out there enjoy it. I'm done with you and your alts, so I'm moving on and I suggest you do the same.

Good day sir.

You defend that moron like a Facebook Grandma. See that same lazy shit everywhere, with zero attempt to actually explain the terrible things he has (and continues) to do. You love dirty liars and vile people for leaders -- don't make us love your bad life choices.

VR isn't going to take 30-50 years to catch on or go mainstream. What a ridiculous statement, coming from someone who barely touched more than 5 VR games, if that. When Apple, Microsoft and Nintendo all join VR, it won't be the year 2050-2070 until that happens. What a ridiculous statement from someone who loves fake news and dirty liars.

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Sounds incredible. PC game sets the bar waaaay high for VR games.