Exit console exclusives, enter brand exclusives

Forza Horizon 3 just came out. It is sitting at 91 on Metacritic. Woah, first Xbox One exclusive to score above 90? Nope. It's also on Windows. Not an X1 exclusive.

Likewise, a good chunk of the PS3 library will find itself playable on PC soon. Without the need for a Playstation system.

Games like Persona 5 or TLOU are not exclusives, they are on PS4/PS3.

With that said, should we change console exclusive to brand exclusive? The way the gaming landscape has changed over the last few years makes it rarer and rarer to see console exclusives like we saw in the past. Even Nintendo with its NX may blur the line further. Hell some people even suggest the Pro and Scorpio means there will be no longer any exclusive.

Of course the big winner in all of this is PC but it's so laughably ahead there's no point in comparing the PC to consoles any more.

I say should we change console exclusive to brand exclusive? Forza Horizon 3 is a Microsoft exclusive. Persona is a Sony exclusive. So and and so forth.

Console exclusive is an archaic and outdated term.

Pc is alright.

I mean the word "exclusive" doesn't hold the same weight this gen as it did before. Other than a few games here and there, there isn't that many anymore unless you count Nintendo games of course. Plus, exclusive don't drive sales of the consoles like that anymore, it's the 3rd party games that get most of the attention now.

Microsoft exclusive and Sony exclusive seems to be the only way to look at it going forward.

What about Sony 'exclusives' that are also on PC but not Xbox? Are they just straight forward Multiplatform games?

But see, that doesn't work as long as there are actual, true exclusives such as Bloodborne or Uncharted 4. Calling games such as these "Sony exclusive" is technically correct, but they are also PS4 exclusives. So, in effect, "Microsoft exclusive" is the appropriate way to look at it going forward for....Microsoft, as they don't have exclusives anymore for their console. For Sony, however, who will continue to have true exclusives, brand exclusivity is only part of the situation.

Blooborne and UC4 remain exclusive until PS Pro comes out or games come to PS Now, then they will be multiplatform. Since both will NOT continue to have exclusives going forward, it is fair to say Microsoft exclusive and Sony Exclusive.

Whatever stops all the fighting and bickering, that's all I care about.

Xbox exclusive and PlayStation exclusive, if it's on PC or not who cares, it's only on one brands console platform.

That is patently false. The PS4 Pro is a PS4. PS4 games run on the Pro without any additional treatment. It is not BC. It is an upper-grade PS4, hence its being called "PS4 Pro" and not just "Pro".

PS Now is a streaming rental service. You do not own the games. You pay Sony to allow you to stream the games on your device. Both brand and console exclusivity remain intact. Once your allotted time is up, the game can no longer be played on your device, because it does not belong to that device.

Going forward, Sony will continue to have true exclusives. Microsoft will not.

/discussion

SONY retains exclusives, while MS shifts to PC mlit plat

@reduc_ab_: just so you are aware everything you said is completely false. End of discussion.

You cannot close a discussion that has already been closed.

I already debunked this with technical fact, please don't peddle this bullshit anymore.

It's derived from the PlayStation 4, it is not a PlayStation 4, separate GPU binary, different code paths for games, fundamentally different hardware...

It's done, let it go, you can't refute facts

Yeah probably... I think pure platform exclusives are going to become rarer and rarer. Which is probably better for the industry in the long run...

I said this about 2 years ago.

The CPU is identical. The. CPU. Is. Identical.

The PS4 Pro is an upper-grade PS4. PS4 Pro plays PS4 games without any additional treatment because it is a PS4. The SW community has already spoken on this and you know the results. You arguing against the PS4 Pro being a PS4 is you arguing against reality.

That being said, you sure argue against reality a lot.

The Pro can play PlayStation 4 games because it has separate GPU binary to do so, just like it has separate GPU binary to execute Pro only code...

It doesn't play them natively, it needs independent binary to execute and functionally operate the PS4 codepath, without this PS4 binary PlayStation 4 games would not function because the GPU is two generation newer architecture and incompatible..

It's like having a discussion with literal children around here, total lack of understanding simple things.

Or the 100's each gen on PC ... just saying :D

The CPU is identical. You're ignoring that fact because it proves that the PS4 Pro is a PS4 at its heart. The community acknowledges it, but you can't. Once again, you're arguing with reality. Stop while you're behind, my friend.

Sony Brand Exclusive Uncharted

Microsoft Brand Exclusive Halo

McDonalds Brand Exclusive Big Mac

I love brands bro

Oreo's and you name it I love it.

@blue_hazy_basic:

Well I'm not a PC player so I tend to overlook those games LOL.

The CPU being architecturally the same voids additional binary requirements, it also didn't need one to produce gains and hit its performance target.

However the CPU being of the same architecture does not void three separate GPU binaries, it doesn't void completely separate game code for each system and it doesn't void the gross specification changes and architecture alterations.

The PlayStation 4 has one binary instruction set, the Pro has three, for three separate modes of operation and code execution..

You're drowning right now.

The PS4 Pro's CPU is identical to that of the PS4. This is because the Pro is a PS4. Having different options for performance does not make it a different console. It makes it an upgraded PS4 with greater versatility.

The only reason you are mentioning the Pro's/PS4's CPU is because I called you out for ignoring it. The fact handily shatters your argument, and as such you would have gladly continued ignoring said fact had I not ruined that for you.

I feel like we've been down a road like this before. Me stating reality, you denying reality.

Oh, wait. We have.

You are technologically incapable of holding this dialog and fundamentally incorrect, that's all there is to it.

Enjoy your day, and instead of disregarding facts in the future, embrace them and learn something.

You're too ignorant and stubborn in your ways to understand when you're over your head. Stick to surface level discussion, you can't handle the technical aspects.

Will do, friend. Let me just remind you that the majority of the community here agrees with me about the Pro/PS4 being the same console.

Feel free to go on holding that little candle by yourself, though.

A majority feeling one way doesn't mean a majority is right simply predicated on it being a majority. A majority of wrong answers is a majority of wrong answers.

Do you realize how uneducated you are? So because it's architecturally the same CPU, its only shared hardware component, it's a PlayStation 4?

With that half-wit mentality the the Xbox One is a PlayStation 4 because they have the same CPU...

It's about far more than your grossly ignorant posting about a shared CPU making it a PS4, it's about coding, binaries, hardware operation in relation to coding and the differences therein for the independent execution and operation of PlayStation 4 codepath and Pro codepath.

So are the fanboy faction labels, but that doesn't stop people from using them constantly still.

I think the general feeling that most people have is with brand exclusivity, or even their own sense of where certain games are best played regardless of how many platforms they are on. We all have games that immediately come to mind when someone says "Xbox" or "Nintendo" without any concern of exclusivity.

But honestly who cares really. True exclusives rarely come out, and developers are moving away from that business model. Soon, each box will just play all the same games, and our lives will be even more meaningless than they currently are.

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

Then PC loss its exclusives and the xbox one as well... lol Halo 5 = multiplatform so is star citizen and many PC games..

I'll wait for the usual damage control and subsequent hypocrite double standard..lol

NO you didn't what you try to do was using a pathetic freaking double standard where you even damage control the 3DS doing exactly the same shit sony will do,by claiming they didn't use a different binary when in reality binaries for a 2 core CPU are not the same as for a 4 core one,if a game at a binary level is not program to use 4 cores will not.

No it is the same shit with a binary for Polaris new GPU features which the PS4 doesn't support for having an older GCN version.

Oh and the way you have ignore how the same shit apply to the XBOS vs the xbox...lol

Oh STFU buffoon how the hell you think PC works.? So if you need different binary for a 7870 vs a RX480 on consoles what the fu** make you think on PC is not the same you hypocrite or 3DS.?

Claiming the PS4 Pro is not a PS4 is not only idiotic is also desperate and only done by lemmings in light of the xbox one REALLY losing its exclusives games you want Uncharted buy a PS4 normal or PRO YOU ARE GETTING A DAMN PS4 FOR IT THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT.

If you want FH3 yeah get it on windows 10 where you don't even have to pay online and where you can RUN IT NOW IN SUPERIOR HARDWARE TO SCORPIO WITHOUT WAITING 14 MONTHS.

That ^^ is reality for you.

Fact is Uncharted is PS4 exclusive,FH3 is no neither gears or recore such is life.

I think you miss the point. If i have a Pro and an XB1, i don't need a base PS4. It's the first time that we have a "mid gen" hardware refresh. Before as in last gen, you needed a 360 to play certain games only or a PS3 to play certain games only. Now PS4 and Pro will share games, XB1 and scorpio, and PC will share games. We never had 2 consoles from the same manufacturers with different specs during a gen. In the real world, none of this really matters. More choices are good for consumers and gamers. Now people can buy a "cheap" current gen system and not miss out on games, in the past if you wanted a "cheap" version you'd have to buy an older system that missed out on new games. In system wars, it sets a new precedent for sure. It really is up to gamespot mods i guess, but in reality, the meta is dead anyway and everything is becoming closer to each other. Only fanboys wanting to justify a purchase will really care, I'll just sit back and enjoy games on all systems

@tormentos "lol Halo 5 = multiplatform so is star citizen and many PC games.."

WTF are you blethering about now, you lunatic? Halo 5 and Star Citizen are as much multiplatform as Uncharted 4.

This has been a long time coming, anyone with a brain could see it coming.

Cows are still stuck in 1996.

It's a PS4. You can throw all of the technical jargon my way, or anyone's way, that you want. You're wrong. It's an upgraded PS4. Sony says so; people here say so; people all over say so. Using the argument that the world is simply wrong and you are right is both nauseating and entertaining, on top of being entirely predictable.

And by the way, the Pro shares a lot more with the launch PS4 than just the CPU. The CPU is like the heart, and the PS4 and the PS4 Pro share the same heart. Again: it is a PS4, just upgraded. You and your damn codepaths, I swear. NOBODY (except maybe one or two) here takes you seriously. You just say the same crap over and over again, make the same insults, the same (failed) arguments, the same the same the same. It seems as though you will never change; you will always be trying to prove things that cannot be proved because they are either patently false, require evidence you do not have, or rely solely on your own opinion.

Take a break, dude. Eventually you'll wear yourself out.

Sony and PS4 retains exclusives. MS however, have given up their right to exclusives to chase after potential PC market.

This seems like a very strange argument to me.

The PS4 and the PS4 Pro have the same CPU. Cool. But that's not the only thing that makes a PS4 in my mind.

Wouldn't it be the combination of CPU, GPU & RAM. Or rather just the CPU and GPU, ram being kind of irrelevant (i'll get smashed for that comment i'm sure).

In my mind the PS4 and PS4 Pro comparison is the same as hardware generation changes on PC.

ie. I think most people would say that PC's are backwards compatible with older games as new hardware becomes available and not that it's the same system because it has 1 same component.

EDIT: More I think about this the more convoluted the argument get's in my head. I think it's probably best to treat the PS4 & PS4 Pro the same as we treat the PC, PS4 Pro is an upgrade but same system. As for the whole exclusive argument, I don't really care. PC still has that won by a thousand miles.

Indeed.

@Juub1990: There was never a reason to compare PC with game consoles. PC's aren't stagnant systems and continuously change almost every month. Game consoles usually don't upgrade until 5-10yrs after release. This is one of the reasons console exclusive became a term. Even with these games on the PC they are still running off of Microsoft's O/S, so they are still exclusive to Microsoft.

I guess...?

"Exclusives" have been meaning less and less since at least the Xbox 360. If they were so important, everyone would play on PC.

Only a small percentage of console owners actually care about the exclusives on their system.

But in that logic, that PS4 Pro is a PS4. Wouldn't an XB1, be considered an Windows 10 PC at its heart? Both share lot in common in software level. The only difference is that Windows 10 on Xbox One is how it does not have Win32 and more locked down than PC Windows 10.

If X1 is a Windows 10 PC then I want my Halo 5 on Windows 10.

The thing is PC gamers should be used to exclusives by now, essentially everytime Nvidia releases a new graphics card subsequent releases are exclusive to that card. I have 2x Matrix 780Ti cards from 3 years ago now they can't manage Rise of The Tomb Raider, Doom, (haven't tested these but I'm sure it would be the same - Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Hitman 2016) at playable frames maxed out. I'm sure when the GTX1080Ti releases in Jan next year, games like Ghost Recon Wildlands, For Honor all will run like shit on the GTX1080 requiring me to upgrade again in order to max out.

Well, every PC gamer (except those nerds with Linux and clueless people on macOS) is running a MICROSOFT Windows, so...?

It's funny when Microsoft Studios published games do bad they laugh at Xbox but when Microsoft Studios published games do good all of a sudden cows have capable PCs.

No, it wouldn't. A console is a console. A PC is a PC. Consoles are closed (historically, anyway); PCs are open. Consoles share chemistry, so to speak, with PCs, sure--and have become since the PS2 days more and more like computers in general. But they are not PCs in any sense of the word.

It's so crazy how people get all up in arms over exclusives. Let it go exclusives are becoming a thing of the past.

@kvally: except it's not PS Pro.

It's PS4 Pro. So it's still a PS4.

Convenient leaving that out.

Wow dude, your trolling skills are complete shit, do you really expect any person with common sense to believe your lies. I highly doubt you even own a high end pc. Anyone with common sense knows that two gtx 780 ti sli can easily max out games like rise of tomb raider or doom. Sorry, but your poor intel hd3000 isnt an gtx 780 ti.

@thepclovingguy: yea you're right, I don't have A high end pc, I've got Two. If you were a pc gamer, you know about how quickly there cards go obsolete thanks to gimpworks

Sure, keep trolling, nobody believes you. If you claim that two gtx 780 ti can't run rise of the tomb raider maxed out, it becomes very clear that you are just lying. You are nothing more than a cow who pretend to be a pcgamer, but who has no clues about pcs whatsoever. Now, go and make some love to your crappy ps4, it surely needs it since sony isn't giving it any love.

Nah, this "exclusive" term is getting way too devided.

If a game is only on one system, it's exclusive. If it's on more than one: multiplat.