Ex-Bayonetta Hellena Taylor turned down 15k to reprise her role, then turned down a 4k cameo offer

I didn't know only two people were interested in the game on the forum.🤔

@jaydan:

You still made a terrible point regardless of blaming feminism as a whole or "feminist crowds" or whatever. Amber Heard is still a dumb **** example.

If anything you might have a point discussing the anti-work crowd and their stance on things considering Taylor specifically mentions wanting a living wage and so forth while at no time making it about the fact that she's a woman, a man is taking advantage of her, or anything like that.

Nintendo is literally catching shit for casting Chris Pratt as the voice of Mario. People are looking for anything to rail against Nintendo over and this was yet another one of those things.

TIL about Black Dynamite... How have I never heard of this movie until now?!

I thought that was a legit '70s blaxploitation movie for a moment... until I realized that's Michael Jai White, who would've been a little boy back in the '70s.

@Jag85: Its an awesome movie.

@mesome713: Just watched the trailer a while ago. He seems to channeling a bit of Jim Kelly, who was known for blaxploitation and kung-fu movies (most famously Enter the Dragon) back in the '70s.

I have bad news for you...

...This whole time, you've been supporting a poundland JK Rowling! 😂

Not that I care either way... But it clearly matters to you. If you want to stand by your principles, then you'll have to do a total 180 on your previous stance.

Guess she got greedy thinking "I am Bayonetta, I should be able to crave more moneyz" and when Platinum didn't agree, she became severely salty.

Well, he's said it two times now, so it must be true. He and the other guy are also the only two good people on the forum, if you didn't know.

Literally, I've always said there needs to be an Ultimate+. Pump more content into the games, make all of the previous games modes that can be played, with all of the mechanics involved, and whatever else. There is no need to make another Smash, the game already was peak Smash.

Bayonetta is a series that, while I have played, I find myself not liking and continually finding myself not liking it even more. The main character is unlikable, everything is too cheesy, and I don't think it has the same enjoyability as the DMC games. Heck, I would argue it does everything DMC does, but wrong. I tried to give it a second chance, this time but keeping up with the lore and disliked it further as the lore is basically, "we don't know, but we guess it's that?" It's like it almost tried to invoke what Dark Souls did (I am aware I may be off with this), but did not understand why it was used. For all the buzz surrounding it, I feel like a lot of it fell flat and the sequel was better.

Wait, so if I am understanding right, it is being said that there is Bayonetta as we know and then there is someone else that is suppose to be Bayonetta? Like somehow her soul or essence is in a person and thus it is her? Even with what you said, this is kind of another problem: it nearly does not make sense with its own explanations. I literally have read your explanation multiple times and I am slightly getting it, but the part that is getting me is that someone else became her in the future? Er, what?

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@Jag85: Yeah, I saw that. Twitter Gaming Left, which includes Liam Robertson (game journalist, does work for DYKG), still stuck up for her though. And he has no self awareness after he bashed posters for instantly jumping to one side after this info released.

Guy acts all "morality police".

@jaydan: Tis quite alright.

@Vaasman: I just read through a 500 message board on GameFAQs of two sides (the Talyor defenders and the critical side) talking over this because of the info that was brought to light, and literally they kept mentioning how Bayonetta was not a big series, and it did not matter. My only guess is because Taylor made a mention about how much the franchise has supposedly sold or something and many are clinging onto that.

@Jag85:

Damn! I didn't know that one either. At least they are the only two good people on the forum.😅

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Are @Pedros feelings getting hurt by @jg4xchamp again?

It's like a trip down memory lane...

Nah! Just opinions. There is a difference.😊

@goldenelementxl look at you trying.😂

Damn what you got against Conan?

Do I have something against him? Not that I know of.

@Pedro:

Cat's outta the bag. Gold and Conan are one in the same perhaps? lol :P

😮 But no.

Got to love the female "I'm a victim crowd" and it turns out to be fake. You literally spit in the face of actual victims.

You want the big money you got to earn it, you think people like Jennifer, Steve Blum, Nolan North and Tara got to where they are by playing victim? no. A person like Steve Blum has been doing this VA stuff since the 90's

LOL! Is this on Netflix or some other streaming platform?

This controversy reminds me of what Bill Burr said about the woke movement:

@Jag85: You can right now catch Black Dynamite on Vudu, Prime, HBO Max, and Apple TV.

She insulted Jennifer Hale for taking the offer? I didn’t read that part, what did she say?

@lavamelon: She said she wished Jennifer Hale all the joy, but she has no right to call herself Bayonetta, or sign merchandise as Bayonetta. Which is more petty than bad, but the problem is twiterlings started harassing Hale for agreeing to take the role at all.

@Ballroompirate: Taylor never really made this out to be a sexism issue though, and a lot of woke folks quickly went after her for political opinions she expressed in the past. I don't spend enough time on Twitter to say how the demographics break down, but this seems more like general social media rage culture than a left/right thing.

Its pretty bad lol. She doesn't own the character, it's not her creation, she just had the privilege of being the voice. As much as my generation grew up on Kevin Conroy, we'd look at Conroy with a sideye if he tried to act like no one else had any claim to Batman.

Petty isn't exactly a virtue.

What happened to the boycott that Hellena Taylor advocated? Did it ever materialized or what she advocated for backfired on her face?

@onesiphorus: Definitely backfired, but I don't think it would have ammounted to much even if everything she said had been true. Bayonetta 3 pre-orders shot up the days after she called for a boycott.

Ironically, she did a better job promoting the game than Nintendo.

People react based on what they know (or what they think they know) at the time. At the time of this debacle, all we knew about was the initial 4k offer.

Some people prefer to err on the side of support, others on the side of doubt.

It's not really anything to get pissy about lol, it's not a competition. So your faith/skepticism was proven well-placed/misplaced...ok, moving on.

It's especially pathetic given how much revenue these games generate, and how important a good voice actor is. Or, more importantly, how terrible a bad voice actor is. I've played story-heavy games and couldn't finish them because the voice actor was terrible, just kills the immersion.

Then again, how many hours of dialogue are we talking about here? How many actual work-days do they put in? If you have 20 hours of spoken dialogue (I feel like that is a lot, considering most animated shows don't even go for 20 hours) you can get that done in a week.

I don't know, seems like there are good arguments for both. It's probably why you hear the same voice actors in so many different games and anime.

Hellena admitted that she was offered $15,000, confirming that she was lying by omission. While it is certainly important to raise the issue of compensation for voice actors, this way of misrepresenting reality will not help to convince the gaming industry or gamers.

It is also very unfortunate that she not only lied, but further called for a boycott of the game. The large number of workers involved in its production includes people with families and raising children, and it is quite unethical to act in a way that threatens their jobs.

In any case, this issue seems to be settled for now, and I will enjoy Bayo 3 this weekend without any qualms.

@st_monica: Amen, plus she insulted the voice actor who took the job. She is a 🤡

I dunno what's worse. Those who do it our those who so easily fall for the marx BS. :P

She started this shit on social media. Lied. Got caught. Then admitted to her lies, but proceeds to play the victim…

I’m no Schreier fan, but he should take legal action. So should Nintendo/Platinum. This shit needs to stop, and with the amount of yapping Hellena did, she is the perfect person to make an example of

And her recent statement makes me feel all the more stupid that I ever defended her. I hate Schreier for his "morality police" attitude (like Liam Robertson), but he won this one.

It's pretty good pay for what amounts to about 2 full work days.

Where is she getting the 450 million dollar franchise ? Bayonetta is pretty niche. I'm not saying it doesn't have any value ... but 450 million seems a ton more for 2 games with barely a couple of millions in sales.

@st_monica said:

Hellena admitted that she was offered $15,000, confirming that she was lying by omission. While it is certainly important to raise the issue of compensation for voice actors, this way of misrepresenting reality will not help to convince the gaming industry or gamers.

@madsnakehhh: I think she is trying to add the first one from pS and Xbox, then first two on Wii U, then the two on Switch all together.

Sad turn of events here. Hellena Taylor definitely misrepresented her case and certainly shouldn’t have thrown Jennifer Hale under the bus like that. Still though the root of the problem remains which is that these voice actors aren’t properly rewarded for whenever a game that they are in becomes successful.

@mesome713: She is delusional. I'm glad the whole thing exploded right in her face ... i don't believe in Karma, but she had it coming.

@Archangel3371 People keeps bringing this out. Honestly, i don't think they have a case here. Sure, VA in a game is important, but they are hardly the definitive feature of a game. Bayonetta became a cult classic, but are we really going to say that it was because of her voice work instead of the gameplay, level design and action sequences ? That sounds to me a lot more disrespectful for the developers than the voice actors who were rightfully payed for their work.

@madsnakehhh: I wonder if she inflated it because of Smash maybe?

Six figures seems pretty outrageous in this situation. However, she clearly should have been offered more money.

Don't know what's the going rate for voice actors in USA, but 15K for maybe 2-3 days of work max of voicing a character seems like a good deal for most people. Fifteen grand just doens't lay around for most.

Wow, she's a total piece of shit, huh? I'm glad she's out of the IP. In fact, I wish all of her previous work could be re-recorded and erased, and she'd be erased from the series completely. Holy shit, what a child. A transphobic, cop-loving child at that.

No. She shouldn't. She got an offer way higher the avarege rate which according to most voice actors, is only offered to celebrities and top names in the VA infustry (and she isn't neither). Even when she declined, they still offered a cameo rol which again, was above the average rate for a gig. She got greedy and she lost, period.

Apparently, some people took a VGChartz chart and multiplied every Bayonetta release by $60 (even redundant numbers) and they got something around that ... which implies that she didn't even made a proper research, she only took incredibly dubious information and took it for a reliable source.